On this episode, we are joined by Jessica Tapia, a California teacher who was fired for refusing to comply with gender ideology in her school and standing up for her Christian faith. Jessica is now in the beginning stage of filing suit against her school for wrongful termination on the grounds of religious discrimination.
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What is going on, everybody? Thanks for tuning in to another
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episode of the California under Grandpa guys.
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Tonight we have a very special guest just Tapia, who is a
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California teacher, who was fired for standing up for her
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beliefs and standing up to an ideology?
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That we all know has sort of been come very prevalent in
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society now and you can't question it.
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You can talk about it but just did one of the bravest things
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and she stood up for it and she openly talked about it and
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Unfortunately cost her her job but I'm I think the best news is
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that her story is being played out across Tucker Carlson.
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It's being kind of broadcast, but I don't want to kind of take
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this the spotlight away from her.
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Just welcome to the show. How are you doing tonight?
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Good. Thank you.
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Thank you so much for having me on.
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Yeah, absolutely. And as always is my trusty
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co-host the fastest and best researcher in the west Camille.
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How are you doing tonight? Thank you.
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How are you? I'm doing great.
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I think is gonna be a good podcast.
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Letting just tell her story even more, so just why don't you just
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start off and tell us who you are?
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Sure. So first of all, I am a follower
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of Christ. I am a wife.
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I'm actually to my high-school sweetheart who I met at the
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school. I was fired from and a mother of
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three I have a 5 3 and 1 year old.
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And I still consider myself the teacher.
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Even though I was, you know, recently fired, I've really been
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teaching all my life even before.
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I had a teaching credential whether it was teaching swim
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lessons or coaching basketball or tutoring you know on the side
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as a college student I've always been teaching and you know God
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made it really clear to me that that was my calling.
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So yeah, that's a little bit of who I am.
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Can you say what school is or is that public knowledge?
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What school specifically? Yes, it is hoopa Valley.
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High School in her play Unified School District.
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Okay. So why don't you walk us through
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the story of sort of how you got where you are right now and what
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transpired? Just take your time and walk us
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through it and tell us your story.
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Yeah. Yeah, so really interesting how
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it all transpired. I think people often assume that
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there was like a situation that took place you know, like on the
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job or with students and it really wasn't that at all.
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So last May a week before school was going to be let out for
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summer. I realized on my Instagram that
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I was I was getting really awful.
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Comments out of nowhere, which was totally abnormal.
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And I'm like, who is this? And I click on, I start clicking
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on the profiles, and I realized, oh my gosh, it's students, like
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students have found my page and they've found things they don't.
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Like, I'm very vocal about my Christian conservative views,
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you can say and They clearly were not in line with or in
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agreement with some of the things that I've posted and they
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just started leaving some pretty awful comments and I was just
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blocked, Elite block delete. I don't want students on my page
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and after deleting one of them, the person came back on and
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said, too late. I've sent this into the school.
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And so, I'm thinking, okay. I mean if they're serious, I
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guess we'll see what happens. And pretty, pretty quickly after
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reading that, I think like the next day I was pretty much
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pulled out of class. Like midday it was probably noon
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and I was pulled out of class by one of the principals at the
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high school and walked up to the office.
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And the assistant superintendent was sitting in a room waiting
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for me and let me know that something had been brought to
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their attention via social media.
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And they needed to investigate it.
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So I was being put on paid administrative leave and
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obviously I know what they're talking about at that point
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because I had seen students had found my page coming onto my
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page, leaving some pretty awful comments and so I kind of kind
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of knew what was going on. So again this was a few days
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before summer break. So I was already like, you know,
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in the summer mindset, you know, my Summer started early, went
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off on summer break. Cake.
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And you know, during during the two months of Summer, I'm
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wondering what what's going to come of this.
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But really thinking it's gonna blow over, like it's gonna blow
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over, they're going to call me back to work, you know, and it's
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about a week, maybe one to two weeks before the new school year
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is going to start in August and I hadn't heard anything.
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So, I reached out to the district and I'm like, like in
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my okay to come back to work, you know, like the new school
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year is going to start here soon and The assistant superintendent
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responded and said, no, as we said we would we've been
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investigating and we need to come, we need to have you come
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in for a meeting and I was like, okay.
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And so I came in and I was totally like, blindsided and
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shocked. I had a stack of papers sat in
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front of me with multiple allegations and you know was
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Asked to go over them and respond to all of them.
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I had to Union Representatives with me, and I mean, I'm
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literally just sitting there like pretty much shaking almost
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out of my chair. I mean, I've taught for 6 years,
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have a completely, you know, clean record as a teacher.
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I'm very professional about what I do.
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I have phenomenal, you know, reference letters from admin and
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co-workers and this was just Just this was not, not something
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that I could have ever imagined. Or anyone.
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Who knows me, would ever imagine me being in, having allegations
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made against me. So I'm freaking out.
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But then, as I start to read them, I realized, what's
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happening, and what's what's happened, as I'm reading through
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them, literally all of them were crafted based on what was found
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on my social media. And so it's almost like as I
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read through them I like start to be able to breathe again
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because again I just I realized what's happened and so I respond
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to all of them. Half of them were not even
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legitimate allegations and you know my union representatives
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are sitting next to me saying yeah that's not an allegation.
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You don't even need to speak on that half of them were
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completely false and the other third of them were things that
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and I'll give An example. So one of them was that I
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broadcast sermons to my classes and I just I looked at the
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district personnel and I was like, I'm just gonna go ahead
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and share with you how I think that this was even Crafted or
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how a student might have come up with something like this.
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I'm a PE teacher on Mondays, we go to the track, I call it
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Monday run day and I give them some sort of running activity on
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the track and that's the one day I'll allow them to listen to
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something, you know, while they're getting their laps in
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whether it's music or a podcast, whatever they choose, I walk
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around with them and I do the same thing, but I don't have in
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headphones because I need to be vigilant.
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So my phone is just loud enough for me to hear.
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In my pocket and I walk around. And so I said, yeah.
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If a student walked by me, they might have heard.
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Jesus is Lord. They might have heard,
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hallelujah, or amen. I don't broadcast sermons to my
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class. I know very clearly what, my,
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you know, where my lines are when it when it comes to
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bringing, you know, my faith and religion, into my teaching, I
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remember having a whole class on on faith and public education.
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When I went to college to become a teacher at California Baptist
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University. So, you know, I explained that
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to them and anyway, so that's an example of one of the ones where
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it was like, True, but not true. And anyways, so after that first
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meeting and, you know, responding to all of those, you
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know, I felt a lot better. But they, they needed to take
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time to consider everything that I responded to and decide, I
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guess what to do next with me. And, you know, they had made
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made it very clear that I had really upset, students, students
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felt He disrespected by my personal posts on my personal
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social media where I don't even say I'm a teacher you know where
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I work, none of that they you know went on their own found my
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page and I don't know I mean I'd like to assume they wanted to
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maybe see my kids that I always talk about or see my horse that
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I talked about and you know just happen to find my views, you
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know? And so So, after that first
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meeting, I was called in for a second meeting.
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And that's, that's when, you know, there is a really a huge
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turning. So, in the second meeting, I was
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essentially told you're lucky were allowing you to still have
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your job here. Like just barely are we allowing
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you to continue to to teach here for us.
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And here's, here's the game plan, you're going to be watched
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for. 45 days really closely. And in those 45 days, we want to
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see change of behavior, and I'm just like, What change of
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behavior? I have been the same teacher for
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six years. I have nothing to change in
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terms of behavior, you know? So I'm just already so lost and
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confused as with with expectations that they're
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putting on me to come back to and then they get to directives
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and there's There was like seven or nine very clear directives.
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And the first one was that I had to refer to students by their
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preferred gender or pronoun. And I just kind of like new
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inside I'm not going to be okay with that.
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And then the second one and this wasn't written, they vocalized
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this. So I had to, I had to clarify
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with them. They said that I had to withhold
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that information from parents and they and again, they
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vocalize that it wasn't written down.
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So I wanted to be very clear with them.
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Like, are you asking me to lie to parents, if I were to ever
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have a student that, you know, is now telling me they think
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they are or they would like to be You know, the opposite
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gender. I have to, you know, act like I
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don't know that and, you know, even purposefully lie to a pair
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and if I was ever asked, or put on the spot about that
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information regarding their child and they said, yes, it's
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for the students privacy and it's the law.
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And I think I just like sat back in my chair.
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Like, what in the world? I mean you you guys literally
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asked us as teachers for your District to uphold honesty.
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But apparently that's situational because we're
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sitting here now and you're telling me to not be honest in
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this situation and so another one of the one of the directives
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was that I had to refrain from talking to students about God or
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the Bible and that's something I made very clear to my district
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is if and when a student has ever come to me with a question
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about God of the Bible, I do answer that and they said, I
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could do. That anymore.
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And not just, that just didn't sit well with me, it didn't seem
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right. And so, you know, at that point,
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I had three directives that I just knew sitting there in that
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meeting like, I'm not going to be okay going back to work and
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knowing that these are on me and that I have to comply with
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these. I mean I won't and so after that
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meeting, you know, finding out these expectations and
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directives upon calling me back to work.
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And mind you. I was I was written up for
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misconduct. Also, for again, my personal
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post on social media, that students happen to find.
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And so after that second meeting I was, I was not okay to say the
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least and they wanted me to just show right back up to work on
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Monday. And so, I ended up taking, I
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think it was a total of three months of stress.
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Leave from from work, trying to figure out what to do next.
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You know, do I put my head in the sand and go back and, and I
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imagine to what that would look like, and It would fill, it
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would have just been so awful. I would have been like, I would
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have to completely like strip who I am to walk onto school
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campus and just kind of be a robot and do you know, act and
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do and say, what the district wants me to and not, you know,
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you know, follow my convictions and my faith in my beliefs and I
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just knew I couldn't. I couldn't live like that.
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And so, you know, during those three months I'm just praying
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and, you know, seeking Trying to decide.
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Do I resign, you know, again, I knew I could go back under these
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directives and, you know, but there was also the consideration
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of rather than just walking away from it all which I've learned
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since my story has gone out, a lot of teachers have done and
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are doing, they're running into this and they're just leaving
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and I don't know, something was just stirring in me.
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And and God was calling me to face the Beast, I guess you can
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say. And just tell my district, I'm
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ready to come back to work and do the job that I've always done
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to the best of my ability as I always have for my students but
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I need you to know these are the directives that I cannot and
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will not be be complying with because they are not in line
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with my beliefs and so I had half a resignation letter
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written. I was at the end of my stress
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leave and I remember one day being so stressed out because I
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needed to send this letter in already so that the district
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knew I was not coming back but I just could not get it finished
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again, I have three little ones and it's so hard to sit at a
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computer and, you know, type out a document.
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And I remember just like stressed out talking to my
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mother-in-law and she was like, Jess.
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There's a reason you haven't been able to Finish this
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resignation letter. Like just trust God be a little
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more patient and so you know I just paused and prayed like
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okay, please give me a clear sign like what I'm supposed to
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do next and I had a Divine appointment of a phone call with
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a couple in Washington and they actually are just starting a
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group called righteous law and it's kind of similar to the
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group thoughts representing me Pacific.
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Justice Institute, where they're going to, you know, represent
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people of the faith who are, you know, essentially being
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discriminated against because of their their religion and beliefs
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and they found me on Instagram and I had connected closely to
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the wife and she was like can me and my husband call you on
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Sunday and I was like yeah yeah I'd love to you know talk with
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you guys and it ended up being a two-hour phone call God was just
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in it all over it and gave me my very clear answer that day that
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I was not to resign that I needed to just vocalize to my
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district where I was at with these directives and kind of
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soda. Say put the ball back in their
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court. So I emailed them and you know
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it was time to essentially come back after winter break again,
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I'd been off for three months trying to figure out what to do
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next. Sent them that email, I broke
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down the three directives they gave me that I was like, no way
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not doing that. And you know, let them know why
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those three directives, you know, I could not, you know, in
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good faith do. And so they said thank you for
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letting me know. We need to call you in and have
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a religious accommodation meeting with you to see if and
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how we can accommodate your religious beliefs and they said
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it would be interactive and their attorney would be there.
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So, that was my third and final meeting with the district, in
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January, it mid-January. And so, I go into that and it
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was something else. Their attorney probably had
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like, three sheets of questions. Just questioning me up and down
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left and right on my faith and on my religion, where do you go
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to church? What, what even makes you so?
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Christian, what do you study or what do you read?
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How often do you do these things?
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You know what? What in your faith, or your
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Bible or, you know, whatever you want to call?
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It says that, you know, you cannot respect students,
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preferred, gender or pronoun. You know that you cannot
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withhold this information from their parents and so forth and
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you know really I mean I'm sure you know what I I'm saying when
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I say they seem to ask the same question over and over in five
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hundred different ways. Sort of things, I think, really
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trying to challenge me and and see if I would change up my
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answer and so answers and so forth, you know, but I just
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continued to, to Stand My Ground and stand in my faith.
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And you could just, you could just tell looking at them as I
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responded to each question, they were not getting Answers.
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They were wanting to hear and at the end of that they said, is
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there anything else that we need to know about that?
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You can't do in your position and I said yeah, while we're at
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it. I'm a PE teacher.
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So I'm in a unique position. I oversee a locker room, so I'm
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assuming that if you're putting this directive on teachers to
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respect students, preferred gender and pronoun, you're going
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to be asking me to let Biological males into the locker
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room and I will not do that and they said, well then we have a
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whole other issue because you have to that would be
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discrimination if you don't and it's against the law and that
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was just like probably really the final final Like Straw for
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me. I mean, obviously, I'd already
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made my my decision and, you know, put the ball back in their
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Court. In terms of this is me, this is
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who I am. This is my faith that I'm in a
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stable. True to, you know, are you going
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to allow me to continue to teach or not?
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And that's what that third meeting was, was them deciding.
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And really, so that last question was, probably what
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helped finalize their decision of not having me return.
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So about a week after that meeting, you know, I was just
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waiting to hear back and they allowed me to email them with
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any accommodation ideas that I had.
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And I did, you know, I was doing my I best the whole time to keep
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my job. I even offered up, you know, you
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can put me at the district office and an equal paying
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position where I don't have interaction with students.
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Like if thought would help accommodate me which really is
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not what I would have wanted, I would have probably been
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miserable and not lasted because you know I became a teacher to
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to be in in students lives and be a role model to them and But
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again, I'm just trying to keep my job and I offered that and a
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couple other things as accommodations, but kind of knew
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in my heart and soul, like, there's no way that they can
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accommodate me if these are supposed laws and Ed codes.
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Because the only real accommodation would be allowing
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me to be the only teacher to walk around campus that didn't
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have to, you know, refer to students by preferred gender
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pronouns, you know, didn't have to let trans into the her room
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and so have you. So kind of knew what was coming
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is what I'm getting at. And yeah, week after that, third
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meeting the religious accommodation meeting.
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I got an email from them with a packet that essentially said we
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cannot accommodate your religious beliefs, so we are
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releasing you from employment official January 31st.
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Wow. So here we are.
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And here we are. And here we are.
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That is that is quite an incredible story and as you're
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going through it, there's so much that I just felt like we we
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have to unpack and kind of get into.
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I think the most shocking thing to me was you talking about that
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religious accommodation meeting. It sounded like it wasn't a
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religious accommodation. It was almost like a deposition
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to show Like you really weren't a Christian and it's amazing
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that you have to go through or it seems like the kind of
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concocted this to try and catch you in a way that can prove oh
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you're not really Christian you're just claiming that you're
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Christian. When it should be good enough to
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just say I'm Christian. And this is my belief end of
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story. First Amendment freedom or
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freedom of exercise, freedom of religion.
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The fact that they're trying to like prove that you're not as
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Christian as you claim to be. That's shocking to me.
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Was it now you said you mentioned, you were part of a
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union during all this did where was your union rep?
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Did they say? Step in during any of these
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religious, accommodation meetings or anything or step up
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in your defense or send anyone to help during this time. yeah,
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so they were they were at every meeting with me and I mean it
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felt great to have them sitting next to me and and thinking that
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they're, you know, on my side and trying to fight for my job,
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like, I was, but You know, truly in the end it felt more like
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they were in agreement with the district and more so on the
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district side than mine because I mean it was there was a couple
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times where they themselves in. Advised me just compartmentalize
00:24:31
your faith and make it work, you know, essentially just leave
00:24:36
your beliefs at the door and do your job for eight hours a day
00:24:42
and pick them back up and I was just like, wow.
00:24:48
Do you guys don't get it? Like I'm not that I'm not
00:24:50
willing to do that and I should have to.
00:24:54
So I mean in the end I'm getting that question so much and you
00:25:00
know, I don't ever want to seem like I'm like spewing hate or
00:25:05
anything on on my union, which I mean that can be like a whole
00:25:09
other podcast I on the union, the teachers union.
00:25:13
But I yeah, in the end. Did they do anything for me?
00:25:22
The answer's. No sounds like they did the bare
00:25:25
minimum to show up for you. They showed up to the meeting.
00:25:30
It's what's interesting to me? And I think this is maybe the
00:25:35
bigger issue that a lot of people are kind of You know kind
00:25:43
of noticing right now with this gender ideology.
00:25:47
And what's happening, is it in a way?
00:25:51
Ironically has become its own religion.
00:25:55
And the fact that you go in and you say, well, I'm a Christian.
00:26:00
I just doesn't comply with my beliefs, I can't do this.
00:26:04
It would be forcing me to go against my religious beliefs,
00:26:07
which are protected by the Constitution.
00:26:11
But this gender ideology transcends your belief in
00:26:16
Christianity and that's becoming almost a universal belief in the
00:26:23
United States right now is that this gender ideology that's
00:26:27
being pushed? So hard is no one can question
00:26:29
it. No one can question it.
00:26:32
There is nothing that that can stand up against it.
00:26:36
It doesn't matter if you're Christian doesn't matter if
00:26:38
you're Jewish, if you're Muslim, it doesn't matter.
00:26:40
This is like the ultimate thing you can never be questioned.
00:26:43
You can never do anything negative towards this movement.
00:26:48
And I think, unfortunately, your story is a prime example of
00:26:51
that, is that even as a devout Christian, and I can tell, just
00:26:57
by how passionately you talk about it, that you are a devout
00:27:01
Christian. That even with the conviction of
00:27:05
your faith. You went in there and they still
00:27:09
said, you're not Christian enough.
00:27:12
This overrides your conviction in Christ and that's kind of
00:27:16
terrifying, that, that's where we're at now.
00:27:19
Is that this, this new ideology has almost become in a way.
00:27:25
It's own religion and all other religions and other beliefs are
00:27:29
kind of inferior to it, like a step down.
00:27:34
Would you agree with that? Yeah, that's exactly what it
00:27:39
feels like. And what's so interesting to and
00:27:43
someone had pointed this out to me a little while back and it's
00:27:46
spot-on. You know, I thought through that
00:27:49
religious, accommodation meeting where, you know they had all
00:27:52
kinds of questions for me about my religion, you know?
00:27:56
And then, you know, as you talked about this, this trans
00:27:59
gender ideology that's being pushed so hard if they're so,
00:28:05
you know. Keen on it and believe in it.
00:28:08
And why aren't you? Why aren't they being
00:28:12
questioned? I mean, why don't they have to
00:28:14
prove, why don't they have to prove this belief in ideology
00:28:18
that they have. But I have to sit back and, you
00:28:21
know, the very religion that our country was founded upon I have
00:28:25
to you know try to I'm blanking on the word but prove, you know,
00:28:33
try to prove to them. And it's just it just feels so
00:28:37
backwards, so upside down. So evil.
00:28:42
I mean I knew right away in the meeting like this is this is
00:28:45
spiritual warfare for sure. This is spiritual warfare.
00:28:50
You know, the devil knows that going after children is his best
00:28:57
bet and it's really sad the amount of adults that are just
00:29:05
going along. It and not, not seeing it for
00:29:08
what it is, which is exactly that and, you know, I think they
00:29:14
try to scare us. I know they tried to scare me
00:29:16
with the word law in the word, ed code, but I don't care.
00:29:22
You know like those words aren't going to scare me into
00:29:26
submission and leaving behind my faith and that's like really a
00:29:32
huge message that I want to get out to the The world and really
00:29:37
specifically teachers and parents.
00:29:39
And you know, don't and don't let them, you know, fear you
00:29:44
with these these fancy words, you know, and I had to really
00:29:51
catch myself as well because I felt ton a ton of fear through
00:29:55
this. I mean I my family was supported
00:30:01
by my, my teacher salary for the last seven years, you know, I
00:30:05
was very fearful. All of losing my job and I had
00:30:08
to just make the decision. Am I gonna let my fear be in,
00:30:13
you know? My my employer who pays me my
00:30:16
paycheck or is my fear going to be in the Lord where it should
00:30:20
be? Who really is my ultimate
00:30:22
provider, even if I don't see how he's going to do it.
00:30:27
And so, you know, I had to catch myself in that fear and make
00:30:31
sure, make sure that my, my fear was where it needed to be.
00:30:35
And, and I just reminded myself you know of the verse that says
00:30:40
we work. Not to please man but the Lord.
00:30:43
And so I wanted to make sure, you know, the decision I made in
00:30:46
this this trial the situation that I was being faced with was
00:30:51
going to please him and not worry about what you know, what
00:30:55
the district was going to think of my decision or my principal
00:30:58
or my co-workers or anyone. Yeah.
00:31:04
It's Like you were talking about, that's a great way to
00:31:09
kind of spin around and say, well no one of this other
00:31:13
ideology had to prove an in-law. There's this idea of burden of
00:31:17
proof where it depends on which party it is.
00:31:21
They have a burden of proof to prove their case and it seems
00:31:24
like in your specific case, you had the ultimate burden of
00:31:28
proof, you have to prove everything as opposed to gender
00:31:31
ideology where there's literally no burden of proof.
00:31:34
It's just if you say it, then it.
00:31:36
It's true. Someone in the chat going.
00:31:40
This is exactly what we went through and Healthcare
00:31:43
deposition like questioning multiple times.
00:31:45
I'd like to see teachers come together and a class action or
00:31:48
joint suit. It's clear religious
00:31:50
discrimination. There's something in the
00:31:54
beginning is your story. You said this all sort of
00:31:56
started because students had common found your Facebook page
00:32:01
and they saw your personal views. to me, that seems
00:32:07
Dangerous, that it kind of is reaching out from the school and
00:32:14
into your personal life. Is that robs you of having your
00:32:18
own personal views where you can't be some, you can't be a
00:32:22
person with individual thought outside of school and outside of
00:32:26
work and school is now going. Oh, and your private time.
00:32:30
You're not allowed to think like this and you're not allowed to
00:32:33
talk like this. And I think I know a Lot of
00:32:36
teachers who are usually worried about this idea of like, well
00:32:40
what if students do what I say, but it's terrifying that you're
00:32:45
a victim of these ramifications of students and teachers.
00:32:50
I don't know. Did you mention teachers also
00:32:52
looked at your page or was it just student from what?
00:32:56
I know just students reported, okay, their feelings to the
00:33:00
district. So you had students who now can
00:33:04
go out and If they don't like a particular teacher or something
00:33:09
like that, they can kind of like track them down on social media
00:33:13
in a rack mount to supervisors and get them fired for stuff
00:33:17
that they believe or do in their personal life.
00:33:21
That's that's ultimately terrifying to because it does
00:33:24
for so many teachers to fall in line yet with this ideology.
00:33:30
And it's not just Like your union rep said, oh, compartment
00:33:35
compartmentalize your faith, for these eight hours, and go home,
00:33:38
and you can be whatever you want.
00:33:40
That's not the case. You can't do that.
00:33:42
You can't compartmentalize and go home and do whatever you
00:33:44
want. Because it follows you home in a
00:33:47
student, can just go to your Facebook page and see your own
00:33:50
personal messages, and you can't be who you want to be outside of
00:33:55
work. So it really has kind of spread
00:33:57
out into your entire life. Correct.
00:34:01
Yes. Yes.
00:34:02
And I did that really hit me in my second meeting.
00:34:08
Hit me hard like, really, really hard.
00:34:11
I drove home from that meeting. Like sobbing, I was an absolute
00:34:19
wreck when my husband came and met me in the driveway.
00:34:21
He said he'd never seen me like that before, and just like, kind
00:34:25
of looking back. I I think it's because it was
00:34:31
just the moment that it really hit me that I again.
00:34:34
Like I've you've probably seen me you know, quoted an articles
00:34:38
but it was just the moment that it really hit me that I could
00:34:41
not continue this career that I, you know, went to school for
00:34:46
eight years to become a teacher and I couldn't continue it
00:34:49
anymore and and be a Christian and that was heart-wrenching,
00:34:57
you know? I never got to say bye to my
00:35:00
students. I it came to such a sudden and
00:35:04
quick just stop and it was really hard when that when that
00:35:12
realization hit me I was I was an absolute wreck and that it's
00:35:18
kind of why for the longest time on my stress leave my husband
00:35:22
was even pushing. Like just resigned just resigned
00:35:25
because he saw the absolute turmoil that it caused me and he
00:35:30
was just like I just I want us to move on from this.
00:35:33
I want you to be okay. Again I want to just, you know,
00:35:37
see where God takes You next like let's just move on.
00:35:41
Let's just move on. And you know, I was kind of
00:35:43
nervous to tell him like sorry God's given me, you know, the
00:35:49
clear answer I'm not supposed to resign, I need to, you know,
00:35:52
speak up to the district. But thankfully he was so open
00:35:55
minded and it made total sense to him to do that.
00:36:00
That advice that I had gotten from that couple that day on the
00:36:04
phone call. And I really think it was a
00:36:06
Divine appointment with them and So yeah.
00:36:11
We were both. Glad that thought is what I did
00:36:15
and it's just yeah, it's been amazing to see God.
00:36:20
Just use my story, you know, for his glory and I've already had
00:36:25
so many teachers you know, message me and say you know they
00:36:29
feel emboldened and you know they're ready to die on this
00:36:33
hill next. And you know it's easy to say
00:36:36
that though but when it comes to the moment of actually like
00:36:40
making that decision Ian and really putting yourself out
00:36:43
there. It's a whole it's a whole other
00:36:45
story but really at this point it's the only way that we're
00:36:49
gonna be able to to fight this this Beast that we're facing and
00:36:55
you know this evil that's just totally after our children.
00:37:00
It's not going to be just you know, it's not going to happen.
00:37:04
Just from me and my story it's going to take a lot more
00:37:08
teachers a lot more parents but I Gets I really do think it's
00:37:12
possible and I'm staying very hopeful so I have some more
00:37:21
couple more questions but I want to ask Camille.
00:37:23
She had any thoughts or questions before?
00:37:26
I hog all the questions and them will just real quick.
00:37:31
Something I'm in disbelief over. Is this whole push to push out?
00:37:35
Parental rights and parental knowledge.
00:37:38
I have three high schoolers and I homeschool ah, but I would
00:37:41
absolutely want to know not would I always want to know what
00:37:44
they're up to? I want, you know what they're
00:37:47
doing? When they're out with their
00:37:48
friends. They're still my kids, they're
00:37:49
still my responsibility. I want to know if they're, you
00:37:52
know, what's going on. And I can't believe that there's
00:37:55
just this extreme push to be like, no, we need to hide these
00:37:57
things. From the parents, who the are
00:37:59
these things from the parents? I my kids are kids, whether
00:38:03
they're in high school or not. They're still kids.
00:38:06
And they don't really have a right so much privacy when it
00:38:08
comes to me, it goes to my husband, you know, like know I
00:38:11
get to know whatever I want to know what's going on in your
00:38:14
life. I get full access to your phone,
00:38:16
they don't really have that much.
00:38:17
Like one kid's got some social media but you know, if they were
00:38:20
on social media, they're not on social media for a reason.
00:38:23
But like now I have full access to it.
00:38:25
And if you're going to be on that, social media platforms,
00:38:27
and so am I, because I'm going to watch what's going on.
00:38:29
So I just can't, I'm just in constant disbelief, still that a
00:38:33
big push in public education, Is we need to keep this from the
00:38:37
parents, if he keeps from the parents.
00:38:38
I just, that's amazing to me. yeah, it's mind-boggling to me
00:38:44
as well and I'll, I'll tell you what, they The reason I guess
00:38:53
you can say that they gave me for this.
00:38:56
This push for student privacy. They said do you know that when
00:39:03
some parents find out about their their child's preferred
00:39:08
gender or pronoun or you know, desire to to, you know, become
00:39:13
something that they're not they they sometimes get kicked out of
00:39:18
their house. Yeah, I'm sure that's happened.
00:39:23
Like I don't doubt that that has happened, right?
00:39:26
But so we make, you know, we make a whole entire law to keep
00:39:31
all parents in the dark now, because there's been two percent
00:39:35
of cases where the parent kick the child out of the house.
00:39:38
Like we are teachers, we are, you know, hired to educate.
00:39:43
Why are we, you know, why are we taking on, you know, these these
00:39:48
responsibilities of a parent? And I mean, even This point of
00:39:53
like, I don't know, like the CPS or law enforcement like we don't
00:39:58
have control over what happens in the house.
00:40:01
You know, we get the students and we teach them, you know, and
00:40:06
what happens at home? I mean that's that's on the
00:40:10
parents. And obviously, yeah, if the
00:40:12
student comes, you know, we're mandated reporters if they come
00:40:16
to school in a teacher thinks or sees that there's, you know,
00:40:21
something going on. On at home, that's harming the
00:40:23
child, then were mandated to report that and we do.
00:40:27
But again, where were were again, keeping parents in the
00:40:32
dark over these, what ifs? And it's, I apparent stance on
00:40:37
illegal drug use. I mean, really, there's some
00:40:40
parents who are going to kick their kids out for doing drugs
00:40:42
or for, who knows what? You know, the because there are
00:40:45
crazy parents out there, so was out there on everything don't
00:40:48
tell. Yeah, great Point, great Point
00:40:51
gosh, yeah. hi, but I would love to ask them not and it's just
00:40:55
like, you know, we need to They love divorce.
00:41:00
Use the word, you know equality. I mean if we're gonna let's
00:41:04
let's have a quality here. If we're gonna keep this from
00:41:06
the parents, let's keep it all from them, you know, or if we're
00:41:09
gonna go ahead and share with the parents that their child is,
00:41:13
you know, bullying or was found with, you know, substance on
00:41:17
campus or is failing their class.
00:41:19
Then they also need to know that they're, you know, student is
00:41:23
asking their teacher to now, refer to them as the opposite
00:41:27
gender. That's like A big deal and
00:41:31
something a parent needs to know.
00:41:32
This is a mental and emotional issue that we all know can often
00:41:37
lead to very, you know, serious repercussions.
00:41:41
And so yet we're hiding that, you know, are we going to wait
00:41:45
until the student is harming them self to now tell the
00:41:50
parents. Oh, yeah.
00:41:51
Well, we did know that, you know, Jimmy was feeling like and
00:41:57
wanting to be this. This like it's going to be we're
00:42:00
going to wait till it's too late.
00:42:01
Like it just doesn't make sense. There's a question in the chat
00:42:07
for you says have you seen any fellow teachers in your District
00:42:11
Villages or not speak up about these issues or has it been
00:42:15
complete silence? I don't know if I can say, I've
00:42:23
seen other teachers speak up about these issues.
00:42:27
I've had several teachers in my district message me.
00:42:33
I'll share with you guys. Something really interesting.
00:42:36
Last week, there was a day, I got the same screenshot from
00:42:42
probably about seven teachers from my district and it was a
00:42:46
screenshot of a training that Group a unified decided to push
00:42:51
out on to teachers as of last week, really interesting timing
00:42:55
and that they're two modules that teachers must complete by
00:42:59
the end of this month and will. And they are one is on lgbtq how
00:43:07
to help lgbtq students fill safe.
00:43:11
And I forget the exact title and then the other one was
00:43:16
transgender students. And So I had so many teachers
00:43:21
reaching out sharing that with me and telling me we don't want
00:43:26
to do this like we're with you just like we don't we're not in
00:43:31
line with this stuff. They're like asking me questions
00:43:35
as if I know if I go through with this training.
00:43:38
Does that mean that that I'm telling the district that I
00:43:42
agree with and comply with their directives regarding, you know,
00:43:46
lgbtq and transgender students. And I'm just like, I mean, I
00:43:51
don't have those answers but I mean, I'm going to advise you
00:43:55
to, you know, stand your ground and stand in your convictions.
00:43:59
And so, as far as I know, there's a pretty good-sized
00:44:05
group forming of teachers that are not going to be doing the
00:44:10
training, one of them has informed me that she did speak
00:44:15
up to the district on the training and told them she would
00:44:19
not be. Doing it, and they called her in
00:44:21
for a religious accommodation meeting.
00:44:25
I need to look back in my messages and see if I can find
00:44:28
it as to when her meeting is, I think it's this week and I mean
00:44:36
I To be completely honest, she's probably gonna get fired.
00:44:40
Like I was, I mean, it comes down to them finding out about
00:44:45
you and that's, that's what it is.
00:44:47
I had the same beliefs my first year of teaching, you know, when
00:44:50
I wasn't tenured and I am or I was now but my 6 year of
00:44:57
teaching they they just found out about me.
00:45:00
They found out that my beliefs are not in line with their
00:45:03
directives and therefore I'm Cancelled.
00:45:07
You know, I'm dumb, I'm gone. I'm not allowed anymore.
00:45:11
And, you know, really this could have happened to me and, you
00:45:13
know, my first second or third year if they had found out then
00:45:17
so it's just it's it's really bizarre, it's really bizarre.
00:45:25
I did have a question on the you know what, they should stop
00:45:28
calling a religious accommodation meeting.
00:45:30
They should just call it a religious Inquisition meeting
00:45:33
because at this point it literally is like a religious
00:45:35
Inquisition. So you said you've been teaching
00:45:39
for seven years. Correct.
00:45:42
Six seven years. This happened at the end of my
00:45:45
sixth year of teaching. I had been a substitute teacher,
00:45:48
like two years prior to that Have you seen as a teacher?
00:45:54
Have you seen this ideology? This is something I try and wrap
00:45:59
my head around. Is this like a chicken in the
00:46:01
egg situation where sort of society and the powers that be
00:46:08
are kind of like all of a sudden?
00:46:09
This is like the new Vogue ideology to kind of push and
00:46:14
then all of a sudden students kind of latch onto it because
00:46:18
it's the new Vogue thing that maybe they see.
00:46:21
On TV or with artists and music and social media.
00:46:26
Have you been saw a like a rise of that because of external
00:46:30
pushes to make this happen? Or was this something that?
00:46:33
Like, I'm always kind of genuinely confused like I don't
00:46:37
remember this being an issue when I was a kid in school and I
00:46:41
don't know other people who said this was a big issue when they
00:46:45
were in school, but now, it just seems like they make it seem
00:46:48
like eighty percent of kids are Transgender now, and we have to
00:46:52
accommodate 80% of kids. Like what, what's the
00:46:56
progression? You saw in the past six years to
00:46:58
now where they're laying off teachers, because of it.
00:47:02
Yeah, there's definitely been a gradual progression and
00:47:08
acceptance of it. I graduated high school in 2010
00:47:14
and I remember going through high school, there was one
00:47:19
transgender student and I forget what it was exactly but the
00:47:29
student like I remember one like some sort of prom court that she
00:47:40
so biologic biological female student was making you know the
00:47:46
switch to be a male one like King and prom court.
00:47:53
And I remember myself elf and like all my peers being liked,
00:48:00
Hold on. Wait what?
00:48:02
You know, like we all know that. That's we all know that.
00:48:06
That's not really a guy. Why did she win King?
00:48:13
Like it was it was so bizarre for us but like, you know, no
00:48:18
one was really speaking out on it.
00:48:21
So we just kind of all internally were like, that's
00:48:25
kind of weird but okay. And then from there, I mean,
00:48:30
now, if I were to, he know compare that, which was like,
00:48:34
probably 2010 to, you know, 2023, I mean, Probably half of
00:48:42
the, you know, roster for voting for Kings transgender students.
00:48:48
It's just so accepted now and I really do think it's it's great
00:48:52
largely a push from from media from you know, social media and,
00:49:01
you know, Parents not really raising their, their children
00:49:05
with any sort of like, foundation, and morals.
00:49:08
And so, they just pick up what's around them.
00:49:11
They just pick up what they're constantly seeing and hearing
00:49:14
and listening to and, and, you know, being pressured into by
00:49:18
peers. And, and it's just sad because,
00:49:22
you know, we know the truth. And we know that those things
00:49:25
are not going to lead to happiness and purpose for them
00:49:29
in the future. And yeah.
00:49:33
It's definitely, it's definitely it come to this point where it's
00:49:39
it's so prominent. Now that like you said it's
00:49:43
almost above all of these other. You know, you know religions and
00:49:51
what really a lot of people are continuing to continually like
00:49:55
commenting on on my stories and stuff common sense and I just
00:49:59
kind of laugh because I'm like you guys there was no common
00:50:02
sense at all. Ahmad ation though.
00:50:03
I couldn't just tell my district, I'm not going to do
00:50:07
these directives because common sense like that they would have
00:50:10
been like you know, so I you know I had to and I mean I
00:50:15
personally get my Common Sense largely from my faith in my
00:50:19
beliefs. So yeah.
00:50:28
I was I was distracted because either you have a cat or a ghost
00:50:31
behind you playing with the curtain and I couldn't see what
00:50:35
was moving. The curtain feels like, are we?
00:50:38
We're we're taping an actual power.
00:50:41
Normal Poltergeist, going on right now.
00:50:43
On this podcast, I got not my cat's.
00:50:45
I'm actually at my friend's house because this would not
00:50:48
have worked out my house. My kids would have heard me
00:50:51
talking and never gone to sleep so my husband's putting them to
00:50:55
sleep and I drove down the Wait, am I got it now?
00:50:58
So I don't even know what's happening behind me either.
00:51:01
Yeah, yeah the curtain is going back and forth.
00:51:04
I don't see what's moving it. I've got a couple more minutes.
00:51:11
I'm just saying they called you in with the attorney that they
00:51:15
weren't like. By the way you should also bring
00:51:17
an attorney. I don't know.
00:51:18
I'm frustrated. Yes, that's that's exactly where
00:51:23
my husband was at. He was like, I mean, still to
00:51:25
this day, he's like, that's not fair.
00:51:28
Thought was not right, you should have had someone there
00:51:32
with you as well. If they were going to have their
00:51:34
attorney present for every meeting which If they did every
00:51:37
single meeting she was there and she was really the most
00:51:42
prominent one talking in all of them and that's intimidating for
00:51:49
you. Yeah.
00:51:51
And it think I mean you actually did this but I think we always
00:51:54
think that if we're faced with the situation that we're going
00:51:56
to be the hero who stands up, you know, the house is on fire
00:51:59
and we're going to save all the kids and like but then when it
00:52:01
comes down to it, you kind of sit there and shock and you're
00:52:04
just like Like II picture that if that happened to me, I'd be
00:52:07
like, I would have walked out. But no, no, I wouldn't have
00:52:10
walked out. I like to think I would, but I
00:52:11
wouldn't have, I would have sat there and been like, oh my gosh,
00:52:14
and I would have just gone into shock and then, you know, just
00:52:17
try to answer their questions. Yeah.
00:52:20
And so yeah, I mean, it was, it was an experience of a lifetime
00:52:24
to sit across from, you know, my assistant superintendent who,
00:52:30
you know, as far as I knew had a lot of respect and adoration for
00:52:33
me which he did vote. Eagle eyes.
00:52:37
But yes, said now I'm very disappointed in you.
00:52:41
Now, I'm now I'm, you know, upset with you and so they all
00:52:44
voice to me their new opinions opinions of me, you know, but
00:52:48
it's him and then it's my principle and then it's their
00:52:51
attorney. And so, I mean, I'm yeah, I'm
00:52:53
sitting across from these people that, you know, I look at as
00:52:56
these are like, you know, my higher-ups, like, I just have to
00:52:59
do what they say, you know, but then hold on, kind of the things
00:53:04
there. Asking me to do.
00:53:07
I can't do those things and I won't and I don't want to and I
00:53:12
shouldn't have to and you know, now I need to make a hard
00:53:16
decision and Make the hard decision.
00:53:22
I mean it's it's it's worth it. I mean I just I look back and I
00:53:27
try to imagine if I would have not made this decision and just
00:53:30
kind of put my head in the ground and just gone along with
00:53:32
it and I think I would be miserable, you know?
00:53:38
And yeah, just be another teacher.
00:53:40
Like you said that just fell in line, you know, with it all and
00:53:45
and you know, society and culture is constantly changing
00:53:48
and morphing. And so, at this point that's
00:53:51
What teachers have to do, we constantly have to change and
00:53:53
morph along with it, you know. But that's not going to happen
00:53:57
from me so well, pardon my language.
00:54:03
But you have more balls than most men.
00:54:07
I mean, Phil and I actually had a conversation earlier about
00:54:09
people not standing up to. Like, we all got on the keyboard
00:54:13
and we're like, I'm a patriot and I'm a fighter and I meant,
00:54:16
but then when it comes down to it, no, but you actually stood
00:54:19
your ground and you actually That's its literal fight like
00:54:23
and I think you even say this is a hill, I'm going to die on a.
00:54:25
We were talking about that exact phrase earlier about, you know,
00:54:28
people are feeling that around. This is the hill, I die on.
00:54:30
But then when they're actually faced with it there, they turn
00:54:33
around and they're like, no, I don't want the recourse that's
00:54:36
going to happen with this. Yep.
00:54:38
Yeah, I actually would love to share where that saying came
00:54:45
from. It actually came from a
00:54:49
principle that I worked for During my time at the district
00:54:53
and her and I connected really deeply in the faith and she I
00:55:00
remember having a conversation with her one day and she wasn't
00:55:05
clear super clear about what this hill was.
00:55:09
But she gave me that phrase and, you know, let me know, she said
00:55:16
just there is a hill, I will die on and I knew she was Telling me
00:55:22
that there is a situation there is there is something that she
00:55:29
would stand up to, and lose her job over.
00:55:32
If it came down to and this she said this to me, probably at
00:55:37
this point. This was a About two, two and a
00:55:42
half years ago and it just like stuck with me since then and and
00:55:47
now I see why now I. So clearly see why it stuck with
00:55:51
me. Because then I was, then I was
00:55:54
faced, you know, then I was on on that Hill that I know that
00:55:59
she was, you know, referring to without being super clear to me
00:56:03
about it. And Yeah, I mean I think it's
00:56:08
time. I think it's time that we are
00:56:11
actually willing to die on this hill because change is not going
00:56:16
to come unless we if we just resign and walk away from the
00:56:20
hill, you know change is not going to come that way.
00:56:24
Kids are not going to be protected that way you know
00:56:26
parents rights aren't going to be preserved that way.
00:56:31
We have to put up a fight. I'm sorry.
00:56:37
I was giggling before because the chat is buzzing about
00:56:39
whether it was a cat or a ghost in the background but multiple
00:56:45
cats in this room, okay, so that's not goes the one thing,
00:56:57
the one thing I think about this whole gender ideology Is my
00:57:04
personal View and for whatever it's worth, I'll start off with
00:57:08
this. I'm a devout Catholic my wife go
00:57:11
to mass, we pray, we talked about the scripture, we are
00:57:18
regularly engaged in our faith and I think we've grown in our
00:57:21
faith every since we've been married.
00:57:26
I'm also at the same time cognizant of the fact that we
00:57:29
live in a country where the idea is, you have the Liberty to
00:57:33
choose your, your life choices as adults, I should say, as
00:57:36
adults, you have choices of what you want to do.
00:57:41
There's a difference between respecting that our country is
00:57:45
based around personal and individual liberties, where
00:57:48
people can choose their lifestyle, what they want to do.
00:57:53
And forced participation and I think we've got we've crossed
00:57:59
the Rubicon of, it's no longer. Oh well, we're free to do
00:58:05
whatever we want. Now it's, we're free to do
00:58:09
whatever we want and you have to do it with us to whether you
00:58:14
like it or not. And I think that's where a lot
00:58:17
of this Clash is coming from. Is this idea of I want to live
00:58:23
my life the way I want to live it, but you also have to
00:58:27
participate in my lifestyle and your story is almost a perfect
00:58:31
example of that. Where you want to choose, you've
00:58:34
chosen your life to be devout in your faith and be a Christian.
00:58:40
That's your Liberty to choose. So somebody else may choose I
00:58:46
want to follow this gender ideology. but the problem now in
00:58:50
our society and especially California, you don't have the
00:58:54
protection or the freedom to be, who you want to be as a devout
00:58:59
Christian without the gender ideology forcing participation
00:59:04
upon you. And I think that's really sort
00:59:08
of the scariest part of where we're at, right now in society,
00:59:11
is you just forcing people to accept it and I think it's going
00:59:17
to take a lot more people like you to stand up and go.
00:59:21
No, I'm not going to be forced to participate in this ideology
00:59:27
that infringes upon my lifestyle or how I want to live my life
00:59:34
that sort of. Yeah.
00:59:36
Yeah, go ahead what you're saying is sorry.
00:59:39
It's just I had to scroll and find it because you're reminding
00:59:42
me of something I posted. I do maybe a month ago.
00:59:47
I said, I'm not surrendering my beliefs to help you validate.
00:59:51
Yours and that's, you know, really where it seems like we're
00:59:57
at, like, you said, Force participation, but the issue
01:00:01
with that is, if I, if I participate in your ideology, it
01:00:06
means that I have to strip of my own beliefs and, yeah, you know,
01:00:14
I'm not, I'm not going to do that and we shouldn't have to do
01:00:17
that. And it's what's unfortunate is
01:00:20
so many people are Turning it into, you know a hate thing or a
01:00:24
phobia thing is. It's not that it's not at all
01:00:27
that you know I love everyone equally and you know but I also
01:00:37
maybe have a different definition of love than what a
01:00:39
lot of people nowadays. Have, you know, we see that
01:00:44
saying love is love like what does that even mean?
01:00:47
That doesn't Define love at all. I don't believe, Love Is Love.
01:00:51
I Even you know love is truth. I believe God is love.
01:00:54
I believe God made, man and woman.
01:00:56
You know I believe that the most loving thing I can do for
01:00:59
someone to someone is affirm them and who you know, God made
01:01:03
them to be and always do my best to tell them the truth, you
01:01:07
know, and There's just too many definitions of love out there
01:01:14
and yeah, we're in we're in quite a mess.
01:01:19
Yeah. It's become then manipulation
01:01:21
like it's no longer love. Like I remember thinking and I
01:01:23
don't remember the exact talking points but during the height of
01:01:25
BLM, when there's enough love us, you will X y&z.
01:01:30
If I said that to my husband, if every day I changed what?
01:01:32
Well if you really love me, then you're going to do this for me.
01:01:34
Then it's just going to become a really sick manipulative
01:01:36
relationship, where he's, he's not gonna love me anymore.
01:01:39
Or because he's feeling crazy and I can't keep you happy ever.
01:01:42
Like if that's not love, is not going down to your ever-changing
01:01:47
emotions and products. You know.
01:01:48
That exactly like you said, love that that is and Truth is not
01:01:54
and Everett Ruess is not liquid, truth is not changing form.
01:01:58
We're on. Yes.
01:01:59
True constant. Guess it's ironic that going
01:02:04
back to this idea of forced participation.
01:02:06
That one of the allegations that was Up against you, was that you
01:02:11
broadcast it sermons, which you didn't broadcast the sermons, to
01:02:15
students that style of force participation in your lifestyle,
01:02:21
is unacceptable in their eyes that that's definitely
01:02:25
unacceptable. But on the opposite side, the
01:02:28
force participation, the gender ideology that's a requirement
01:02:32
for you to keep your job as opposed to if you were to force
01:02:35
participation into Christian sermons or scripture anything.
01:02:39
Like that, that's a fireable offense.
01:02:41
So again, where do we draw the line?
01:02:44
As to who gets to say? Who's forcing in what
01:02:48
participation? I wouldn't go to someone who
01:02:51
believes in this gender ideology and go.
01:02:55
Okay. Well guess what?
01:02:56
You're going to mass with me this week.
01:02:58
I don't care if you want to go or not.
01:03:01
They're coming to mass with me because you have to respect that
01:03:04
I'm a Catholic and you have to come to mass with me and
01:03:06
participate with me. That's how I get validated it.
01:03:09
It sounds ludicrous like when you say it like that, somebody
01:03:12
from the air cycle will know. I'm not going to mass with you
01:03:14
because I'm not a Catholic. Oh, you're starting to get it
01:03:17
now. It's not I'm not asking you to
01:03:21
come join or validate my lifestyle for your
01:03:26
participation. So yeah, I think that's sort of
01:03:31
the scary part where we are right now.
01:03:35
Definitely, definitely. So what?
01:03:40
Yeah, that's a good segue into what's next for I'm not, I'm not
01:03:47
super sure. I'm trying to stay open, you
01:03:51
know, to to where God is leading next.
01:03:54
And like I said, I really kind of knew in my heart and soul
01:03:59
that I was, I was gonna, I was gonna wound up, be wound up,
01:04:05
fight fired. And so as I was like, prepping
01:04:12
for for that possibility and just praying On that.
01:04:15
I remember praying like God, if that's the case.
01:04:18
Like I'll take this story like as far and wide as you want it
01:04:23
to go and me and my husband were laughing the other night because
01:04:28
he was like, yeah, God's up there, like hold my wine
01:04:30
because, you know, look at you, like you were on Tucker, which
01:04:35
is crazy, it doesn't even feel real, it still feels surreal.
01:04:40
But yeah, I mean, It happened and he's just continuing to use
01:04:46
it in and take it far and wide. And, you know, I'm just, I'm
01:04:51
just trying to stay open to what's next and, and humble and
01:04:56
just allow him to use me and whatever capacity, you know, he
01:05:00
wants me to to, you know, share this story and yeah, I'm not
01:05:08
sure I've bounced around all kinds of all kinds.
01:05:11
Kinds of ideas in terms of what snacks, you know, whether it's,
01:05:16
you know, looking into the teaching out of like a
01:05:20
Christian, private Christian School.
01:05:22
I mean, I have little ones of my own that really, you know, I'm
01:05:25
home with them now and so they're my main concern at the
01:05:28
moment and if, you know, we can figure out how to make it by
01:05:32
with me, you know, just staying home and caring for them and
01:05:35
teaching them. And that's my number one goal.
01:05:37
But, you know, we'll see if that's going to be something
01:05:41
that Can work for us with me, not working, but yeah, I mean,
01:05:47
right now, really, I'm trying to not be super like stressed out
01:05:51
and overwhelmed in terms of what's next.
01:05:53
We haven't even began litigating yet.
01:05:56
We're still waiting for this right to sue letter, which is
01:05:59
just crazy to me that you even need.
01:06:01
I'm like, I mean, I feel like I have just should have the right
01:06:06
automatically when I'm fired for my religious beliefs, but y'all
01:06:11
We're waiting for EEOC to give us some letter but I was told we
01:06:17
even if we don't get it we can move forward without it but I'm
01:06:20
assuming it's best to have it so we're waiting on that.
01:06:24
But yeah at the moment my focus is just you know getting the
01:06:28
story out helping parents become aware you know, helping
01:06:32
teachers. Know, their rights and be
01:06:36
emboldened and stand strong in their their faith and
01:06:41
convictions, you know, which mind you does not have to be
01:06:44
Christian. It doesn't have to be Catholic,
01:06:46
it can just be, you know, believing it and right and wrong
01:06:50
believing in male and female believing in parental rights,
01:06:53
you know, believing in not feeding into lies and confusion,
01:06:57
not a poor child is being fed or dealing with.
01:07:04
So anyways, yeah, at the moment not sure but I'm looking forward
01:07:08
to seeing what is next? Well, thank you for coming on
01:07:14
and sharing your story. And is, this is a great
01:07:17
conversation. It's a heavy conversation, but I
01:07:22
definitely applaud you for what you're doing.
01:07:24
It's not easy to stand up in these situations.
01:07:28
It makes life uncomfortable. I'm sure you're not, you know, I
01:07:34
would believe that for probably every person who's come at you
01:07:37
from a place of hate. There's probably ten more who
01:07:40
are applauding you and supporting you.
01:07:42
It's probably what you found so far.
01:07:44
So we'll definitely be pulling for you and following your
01:07:48
story. So any place people can go to
01:07:52
follow your story and follow you if they want to keep informed
01:07:57
and just follow what's going on. Yeah, I'd love for them to
01:08:02
follow me. At my Instagram is where I'm
01:08:04
most active and and keeping updates on and how you're
01:08:09
randomly update on Facebook. But I'm really not active on
01:08:13
there. So my Instagram handle is just
01:08:17
underscore saying sa y, i and nn3 ends.
01:08:24
So yeah, on there would be awesome.
01:08:26
I'll definitely keep everyone updated as we begin the case and
01:08:31
you know, just keep informing as much as I can.
01:08:36
I'm having a lot of teachers and parents reach out and not even
01:08:40
anonymously. Hey, Can you share this, like,
01:08:42
on your page anonymously? This is what, you know, my child
01:08:46
came home and told me today from school, you know, this is the
01:08:50
questionnaire that my, that I'm having to give students look at
01:08:54
these questions. And so, I'm just really I using,
01:08:59
you know, the platform that God has allowed me to have from this
01:09:03
story and just again, continuing to inform parents as best as I
01:09:08
can. And as much as I can, Great.
01:09:11
Well maybe that's that's what God called you to do.
01:09:14
Was to be the voice and to use this platform.
01:09:17
So like I said will be supporting you and thank you so
01:09:20
much for coming on if you feel like you want it.
01:09:22
If there's an update or something you want to come back
01:09:24
on open invitation anytime you want to come on.
01:09:27
Let us now. Yes, thank you for driving down
01:09:30
the freeway just to be here with your ghost cats in the
01:09:32
background. Yeah and for sitting in your
01:09:35
haunted house and catching Paranormal Activity, it's yeah.
01:09:40
No, I'm going to go tell my friend that no, but thank you
01:09:46
for sharing everything. It was really great to hear.
01:09:50
Yeah no problem. Happy to share and thank you
01:09:52
guys for inviting me on. Hey, so everyone who is
01:09:57
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01:10:21
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