Ep. 268: Kamala Harris: A Kalifornia Kalamity

[00:00:06] If you're a California conservative, a libertarian, a moderate Democrat, believe in common sense, or just the sane person, this is the political podcast for you. It's the California Underground Podcast.

[00:00:26] What's going on, everybody? Thanks for tuning in to another episode of the California Underground Podcast. I'm your host, Phil. And as always with me, my trusty co-host, the best and fastest researcher in the West, Camille. Camille, how are you doing?

[00:00:38] I'm good. How are you?

[00:00:40] Good. We have quite the episode. This is a bonus episode. We figured we had to get this episode out because of the recent anointing of Kamala Harris as the presumptive Democratic nominee. Remember, the Party of Democracy didn't let you vote on their candidate. They just told you who their candidate was. So here we are. Kamala Harris is likely going to be running against Donald Trump. It's not official. They still have to go to the DNC convention. Crazier things have happened.

[00:01:08] Who knows what could happen. But as of right now, it looks like everyone's kind of lining up behind Kamala Harris. We figure we want to get an episode out because for those of you who might be living under a rock and don't know anything, she came from California.

[00:01:26] So and this is a podcast about California politics. So she's sort of a hometown person that we figure to be important for us to discuss, kind of dive into who she is, where she came from, her past and all that stuff.

[00:01:40] Because right now, I don't know how you feel, but it seems like the media is memory holing a lot of what Kamala Harris was like prior to being VP and running for president.

[00:01:53] It just seems like they just kind of conveniently forgot a lot of stuff, but we didn't forget. So that's why we're going to go over it today.

[00:02:00] They didn't love her in 2019.

[00:02:02] No, no, they did. They certainly did not love her in 2019.

[00:02:08] Yeah, she was not.

[00:02:10] I think she had like her 15 minutes of being like, oh, she's America's darling.

[00:02:16] And then they turned on her.

[00:02:18] Yeah, she for for reference, she got no delegates.

[00:02:24] She didn't win one single delegate in the Democratic primary in 2020.

[00:02:29] Tulsi Gabbard, who was an establishment like they hated her, the establishment hated her because she was calling everybody out.

[00:02:35] She at least won two delegates.

[00:02:38] So there you have it.

[00:02:40] Even Tulsi Gabbard won delegates and Kamala Harris didn't.

[00:02:42] So that's how unpopular she is.

[00:02:44] But before we get into sort of the timeline and her past and stuff we want to talk about, did you have any initial thoughts?

[00:02:53] Because I had initial thoughts of like, why are we in this position right now?

[00:02:57] Why is Kamala Harris here?

[00:02:58] Like, why are we all super excited or why are they all so excited about Kamala Harris running right now?

[00:03:06] Did you have any initial thoughts?

[00:03:08] I do.

[00:03:09] And mine are not going to be as deep and insightful as yours.

[00:03:13] But we were talking about it, you know, before we hopped on here.

[00:03:18] We're not slut-shaming Kamala.

[00:03:20] This is not what this episode is.

[00:03:23] So before anyone like tunes out and thinks that that's what we're going to do, it's not.

[00:03:28] But it is important to talk about where she came from, how she got where she is today.

[00:03:33] And so we wanted to like review that from a logical standpoint, obviously not from a, she slept her way to the top.

[00:03:41] Like, I'm not doing that.

[00:03:44] And as I mentioned to you, she doesn't have any, as of now, any policies listed on her website.

[00:03:52] That's odd to me.

[00:03:54] There's a lot.

[00:03:55] There's a lot of big things happening in America right now.

[00:03:59] And I, you know, she's been VP for nearly four years.

[00:04:03] I feel like she's had time to really think what is she running on?

[00:04:07] Why is she stepping up to the plate, so to speak?

[00:04:09] So it is odd that she doesn't have any policies.

[00:04:11] And I know that we probably know what her policies are based on past experience.

[00:04:17] But like I was talking to you about, you know, each election cycle, new priorities, like priorities always shift.

[00:04:23] Things change, things happen.

[00:04:25] Like 2016, we were not anticipating COVID.

[00:04:28] It was a whole different election season from 2016 to 2020 to 2024.

[00:04:33] And so I'm sure that she will have changed some of her policies and we need to allow room for growth and change.

[00:04:38] But I think we have a good idea of who she is based on she does have a rich history in politics.

[00:04:45] So I just.

[00:04:47] Right.

[00:04:49] I don't know.

[00:04:49] That's a good point.

[00:04:50] We're just going to like be like, come on, bad, bad, bad, bad.

[00:04:54] But like we actually are bringing facts to this.

[00:04:58] Right.

[00:04:59] And I think that's important.

[00:05:00] You can go after what your personal feelings about her and all that and what you think of her.

[00:05:08] Personally, but obviously our show is dedicated to going over what she actually did.

[00:05:14] And these are real stories.

[00:05:15] These are facts that happened in her life and happened in her career.

[00:05:20] So that's what we're really going to dissect.

[00:05:22] Believe me, if you outside of all that stuff that people always talk about with Kamala, there's still plenty of other politically just political stories enough to get into regarding her past.

[00:05:33] And why I think the more this gets drudged up, like so I guess is a good segue into my initial thoughts.

[00:05:42] And I want to get into this right now and not save it for the end because there's so much we want to talk about.

[00:05:46] I didn't want to kind of like cram it in at the end and have like half big thoughts.

[00:05:52] It's been over a week since Kamala has been anointed as the person who's running.

[00:05:59] Um, here's my theory on where we're at with Kamala Harris.

[00:06:03] And I could be wrong or we could timestamp this.

[00:06:06] And in November, I could be like, yeah, I told you so.

[00:06:10] I think Kamala Harris is only goal.

[00:06:13] And the reason that they are pushing her right now is because they need to save down ballot races.

[00:06:18] And what do I mean by that?

[00:06:19] Whenever there's a presidential election or a midterm election, presidential elections usually garner a lot more attention.

[00:06:25] They garner a lot more people showing up because people want to vote for the president.

[00:06:29] Midterm elections, not so much.

[00:06:31] It's hard to get a lot of people out.

[00:06:33] It's all about get out the vote.

[00:06:35] I think that Democrats were looking at the writing on the wall.

[00:06:39] And this is something that our good friend Zach brought up a couple episodes ago.

[00:06:43] Parties look at not just like this year's election.

[00:06:47] They look at like two years, four years, eight years.

[00:06:51] They look at like years and big election cycles.

[00:06:54] I think the Democrats probably saw with Joe Biden.

[00:06:58] They said, well, he's probably going to lose to Trump.

[00:07:02] And they were probably fine with that.

[00:07:03] And they probably said, whatever, we'll get four more years of Trump.

[00:07:06] It's not a big deal.

[00:07:06] Like we can weather four more years of Trump.

[00:07:08] We'll fundraise the hell out of it because people hate Trump.

[00:07:11] And it's the media will lambast them.

[00:07:13] And it will be good for Democrats.

[00:07:16] They could flip it in the midterms, use it as fodder to get more seats in the midterms.

[00:07:20] I don't think behind the scenes, big, powerful brokers like Obama, like Pelosi, who we know

[00:07:27] Pelosi, think what you will of her.

[00:07:29] You may like her.

[00:07:30] You hate her.

[00:07:31] She's held on to power and she's been a very powerful figure for a long time in Congress.

[00:07:35] She knows how to win and hold on to power.

[00:07:38] She was part of the first Congress ever.

[00:07:39] Sorry.

[00:07:40] What's that?

[00:07:41] She was part of the first Congress ever.

[00:07:45] She was there.

[00:07:46] Yeah.

[00:07:46] She was there when they were riding horses and buggies to sign the first declaration.

[00:07:54] But she's very powerful.

[00:07:55] She knows what she's doing.

[00:07:56] She knows how to acquire power and maintain power.

[00:07:59] I think they looked at the internals and they saw what an absolute bloodbath it was going

[00:08:05] to be if Joe Biden was at the top of the ticket.

[00:08:08] I think they saw we're losing enthusiasm.

[00:08:10] People are tuning out.

[00:08:12] It looks like Trump is just going to wipe the floor with us.

[00:08:15] CNN had predicted John King.

[00:08:17] CNN at one point said it is very realistic that Trump can win 330 electoral votes, which

[00:08:24] is probably the largest Republican win since Ronald Reagan.

[00:08:27] And that translates to down ballot races.

[00:08:30] So that means senators, congressmen, the House of Representatives.

[00:08:34] It means state legislatures.

[00:08:36] It means city councils.

[00:08:37] And this stuff has an effect throughout the country.

[00:08:41] And as Democrats or as a party, you kind of have to look at just the whole picture.

[00:08:46] You can't let your whole party suffer an enormous loss.

[00:08:50] Like you have to do something like you can't forget the down ballot.

[00:08:53] You can't be, you know, uncompetitive in these races for Congress and for state legislature

[00:08:59] and stuff like that.

[00:09:00] So I think they saw those internals.

[00:09:02] And that's when they started to hit the panic button and go, oh, crap, like we're going to

[00:09:07] get slaughtered.

[00:09:09] And Trump is going to have a large majority in both chambers of Congress.

[00:09:15] And like I said, they could probably deal with the fact that Trump would be in office for four

[00:09:21] years.

[00:09:22] Maybe they can hamstring him.

[00:09:23] Maybe they can take back Congress in two years.

[00:09:25] Like if it's a split house or maybe it's a small minority or small majority, they could

[00:09:32] work with that.

[00:09:33] Like they can hamstring him and kind of hold him up.

[00:09:35] What they can't stomach is the idea of Trump having large majorities in both the House

[00:09:43] and the Senate, because then he could just be able to, you know, get all of his stuff

[00:09:47] rubber stamped.

[00:09:48] There's a lot more MAGA candidates in Congress right now.

[00:09:53] Think about in 2016.

[00:09:54] There were still a lot of never Trumpers in Congress when Trump was elected for those

[00:09:59] first two years when he had control of both houses or both chambers.

[00:10:03] Um, you still have Paul Ryan, you still have John McCain, who was the deciding vote on getting

[00:10:07] rid of the affordable care act.

[00:10:09] A lot of those MAGA, like never Trumper MAGA haters are gone.

[00:10:13] And a lot of in those place, there's a lot of MAGA candidates who were supported by Trump.

[00:10:18] So now imagine Trump has large majority in house and the Senate.

[00:10:22] He can start rubber stamping, get everything through as fast as possible.

[00:10:26] He'll probably get two more Supreme court picks.

[00:10:29] Thomas might step down and retire.

[00:10:31] Alito's 70.

[00:10:33] So he might step down and retire.

[00:10:35] He can appoint another 40 or 50 year old judge, ensuring a conservative majority for the next

[00:10:41] 30 to 40 years.

[00:10:42] That's what I don't think Democrats could stomach like that kind of absolute, um, overwhelming

[00:10:49] win where Trump could just do whatever he wanted.

[00:10:52] Where does Kamala Harris come in?

[00:10:54] Kamala Harris comes in because they needed excitement.

[00:10:57] They needed fundraising and they needed people to actually care again.

[00:11:01] And I think by her jumping into the race, that's what it's done.

[00:11:05] Obviously we've seen, she's done a bunch of fundraising.

[00:11:09] A lot of money is poured into her campaign, which again, can trickle out to other campaigns

[00:11:13] and can trickle down to other races, can trickle out to the DNC, stuff like that.

[00:11:18] Um, it does get people engaged again where they care.

[00:11:21] Maybe they start door knocking.

[00:11:22] Maybe they start volunteering, making phone calls.

[00:11:25] Then they help other candidates.

[00:11:26] Then they start caring about their congressional candidate.

[00:11:29] Um, and it creates that excitement again, where like people are just, they're engaged in

[00:11:34] the election because before it was just nobody cared.

[00:11:37] Like Joe Biden was clearly falling off.

[00:11:40] Um, and people were just not enthusiastic.

[00:11:43] So I still don't think she has a really good shot of winning and we'll get into that in

[00:11:49] a second, but I think she will have done what she needed to do, which is save down ballots.

[00:11:54] She won't win the presidency.

[00:11:56] She'll be the sacrificial lamb.

[00:11:57] They get to say, Oh, we nominated the first female of color because that matters in democratic

[00:12:05] politics.

[00:12:06] It's always the first, the most progressive.

[00:12:09] A lot of democratic voters will then get to be like, I voted for the first female woman

[00:12:13] of color or female presidential candidate of color that matters to democratic voters.

[00:12:19] So yeah, when you get more people to show up, you get more people to care and you get

[00:12:23] more money.

[00:12:24] It helps down ballot.

[00:12:25] That's my theory generally is that they probably know at this point it's too late to stop Donald

[00:12:33] Trump.

[00:12:33] He'll win, but he won't win by as much and he won't have the congressional support he's looking

[00:12:40] for.

[00:12:42] Or that's my theory.

[00:12:44] I could be wrong or slide that was guaranteed after he got shot.

[00:12:48] Yeah, I think after the, the, the lot of the, what's the saying people have been going with

[00:12:53] is that the assassins bullet, miss Trump and it hit Joe Biden and killed his campaign.

[00:12:58] Like that's been the joke is after that assassination attempt, it was kind of like, well, Joe Biden

[00:13:04] looked horrible at the debate.

[00:13:05] He clearly looks like he doesn't know where he is.

[00:13:07] And then you have the assassination attempt that people are like, Oh, this race is over.

[00:13:10] So Kamala infuses excitement, I guess.

[00:13:17] But it's been, I feel like I, I open X for sure.

[00:13:23] You know, and women, I mean that I know are very excited.

[00:13:29] Yeah.

[00:13:30] Yeah.

[00:13:31] I feel like I open X and now I just see a bunch of astroturfing about how Kamala is

[00:13:37] just wiping the floor with Donald Trump.

[00:13:39] And I'm like, Hmm, nah, that's not really the case.

[00:13:42] They're cherry picking.

[00:13:44] Both sides do that.

[00:13:46] Yeah.

[00:13:47] Like there was this poll going around where they were, you know, it was in the Detroit

[00:13:52] free press or something like that.

[00:13:54] And I was like, what was it like?

[00:13:56] Detroit central high school wasn't conducting a poll that day that you could get.

[00:14:00] It was like Kamala Harris gets 82% of black voting support and Donald Trump gets zero.

[00:14:06] And that was like paraded around that, like Donald Trump has no black support.

[00:14:10] And I'm like, okay, well, that's clearly not true.

[00:14:13] Like you're all kind of coping with whatever numbers you get.

[00:14:17] Um, also the polls told us Hillary was going to win in 2016.

[00:14:22] Right?

[00:14:22] Yeah.

[00:14:23] It's that for that one, I think there were, there's an explanation as to what happened

[00:14:28] in 2016 and we don't need to get into it.

[00:14:30] I think they just didn't account for the monster vote in 2016, which is a lot of people, um,

[00:14:37] who wanted to vote for Donald Trump didn't say or respond that they were voting for Donald

[00:14:42] Trump.

[00:14:42] And a lot of people who probably never voted or weren't active voters.

[00:14:46] Um, I mean, you look at voter registration or voted voter data and you can see like, is

[00:14:52] this per, what do they say?

[00:14:53] It's like person is like, you know, a super voter or something.

[00:14:56] And like, if they vote in like every single election, they have a different classification

[00:15:01] of someone who hasn't voted in like the past four elections.

[00:15:04] Like the there's gauges of like how excited of a voter or energetic.

[00:15:10] Um, I don't think they accounted for that.

[00:15:13] I would say now they probably account for it maybe, but, um, which makes, leads me to

[00:15:19] think that like what, whenever it comes to Donald Trump, like the polls are usually he's,

[00:15:23] if he's pulling at one or 2%, it's probably three or 4%.

[00:15:27] Like there's always that little bit that he's not accounted for.

[00:15:32] Um, I have a question.

[00:15:34] Go ahead.

[00:15:35] Going back to what you said about them.

[00:15:39] Um, like, you know, be able to say I voted for the first woman of color and all that.

[00:15:43] That's very important.

[00:15:44] Um, do you think that Biden will resign?

[00:15:48] Uh, I don't think so.

[00:15:50] And I, the reason I think is because I don't think he's been running the country anyway this

[00:15:59] whole time.

[00:16:00] Um, so it's not like anything really changes behind the scenes of who's running the country.

[00:16:05] Right.

[00:16:05] Also, if he resigns, then we have first female president and of color.

[00:16:12] True.

[00:16:13] Yeah.

[00:16:13] I mean, we could, whether she wins the, in November or not, they still would.

[00:16:21] Yeah.

[00:16:22] She had.

[00:16:23] Yeah.

[00:16:24] I think strategically it's already hard enough to be thrown into a presidential campaign

[00:16:30] four months before election day.

[00:16:34] I couldn't imagine like you get thrown in into a presidential election four months before.

[00:16:39] And then all of a sudden you're the president of the United States.

[00:16:42] Like that's a lot on your plate.

[00:16:44] And I think that that might pull her away from the campaign trail, if that makes sense, where

[00:16:51] she actually has to go and like be president.

[00:16:53] Um, now as VP, she can kind of go out and run for president and do that as much as possible.

[00:17:00] And the powers that be just do the president thing back in the white house.

[00:17:05] So I don't think Joe will resign or maybe they have an understanding of like, Hey, he'll

[00:17:10] resign, but we'll run it from here.

[00:17:12] And like you go campaign.

[00:17:14] It's possible.

[00:17:15] I just don't think they want her to be pulled in two different, different directions.

[00:17:20] Cause that's a lot.

[00:17:22] Like, you know, I thought moving was stressful and you know, I couldn't imagine being thrown

[00:17:28] into the presidential race and becoming president at the same time.

[00:17:31] That's a lot on your plate.

[00:17:33] Um, but speaking of polls and stuff like that, I, I was looking at real clear politics and

[00:17:38] real clear politics.

[00:17:39] If you're not familiar is a site that kind of, uh, takes an aggregate of all the polls

[00:17:45] that are going on out there.

[00:17:46] Uh, the real clear average, real clear politics averages.

[00:17:51] Trump is still up by almost two points on Kamala Harris.

[00:17:54] Now she has gained ground.

[00:17:56] That's for sure.

[00:17:57] Ever since she jumped in the race, she gained a lot of ground when Biden dropped out.

[00:18:00] He was, it was 47 to 48 or 44.

[00:18:05] So it was 47 to 44.

[00:18:06] It was, that's a big discrepancy.

[00:18:07] He was getting slaughtered.

[00:18:09] She has closed the gap to 47 to fifth 45.

[00:18:14] So it's gotten a little bit closer, but I think that this is like, this is the honeymoon

[00:18:21] right now.

[00:18:21] Like for Kamala Harris, this is the honeymoon.

[00:18:24] Everyone's really excited.

[00:18:26] It's going to start waning.

[00:18:27] People are going to start hearing her more out on the campaign trail.

[00:18:31] They're going to keep hearing.

[00:18:32] And I think she's still that candidate from 2020.

[00:18:36] Like she's still that politician from 2020 who didn't get a lot of support.

[00:18:40] And I think when people start to see her out on the campaign trail, I think also they just

[00:18:44] started releasing ads.

[00:18:46] Uh, I posted it on my Twitter.

[00:18:48] They started releasing ads calling her up like California liberal.

[00:18:53] And I think that is going to go pretty far in the swing States in terms of like turning

[00:18:57] off swing state voters as to like, I don't want a California liberal run in the country.

[00:19:03] So, um, that's where we're at right now.

[00:19:06] And the RCP electoral college prediction right now is Donald Trump will win 312 votes to Harris's

[00:19:13] 226.

[00:19:14] Um, I think she got a little bit of a bump because it's exciting for her right now.

[00:19:20] Uh, at the end of the day, it, I think was more stuff comes out.

[00:19:24] I think that support will, will wane a little bit with swing voters and independence.

[00:19:29] Um, any thoughts?

[00:19:30] I know we should probably jump into, I don't think we're even going to get through all the

[00:19:35] notes that we have.

[00:19:36] No, there's so much to get through.

[00:19:38] Um, all right.

[00:19:39] So let's jump into the first article we're going to try and do is like chronological as

[00:19:44] possible with this Kamala Harris storyline.

[00:19:47] Uh, so bear with us.

[00:19:49] We're going to start all the way at the beginning and you know, uh, Camille did bring up the point.

[00:19:54] We're not going to be doing any slut shaming regarding her, uh, relationship with Willie Brown.

[00:20:00] Um, but there was an interesting article from the Federalist that came out and it did bring up some

[00:20:05] other things outside of the relationship, like just being a colleague of Willie Brown and having

[00:20:12] that relationship, what she did in, um, in exchange.

[00:20:17] Well, I wouldn't say an exchange for it.

[00:20:19] I would say like, because she was allied with Willie Brown, this is some stuff that she did.

[00:20:25] Um, so this is from the Federalist.

[00:20:29] It says the times on politics newspaper Wednesday, think of it as political talking points for

[00:20:33] affluent wine moms, AKA the Democrats base was dedicated to combating the sexist and racist

[00:20:39] rumors that have followed Harris for years.

[00:20:41] And the facts behind several conspiracy theories and misleading claims about Harris that have spread

[00:20:46] wide recently in days.

[00:20:48] Again, the real low light of the times article is its discussion of Kamala Harris's relationship

[00:20:53] with Willie Brown.

[00:20:54] One of the favorite things fact checkers do is introduce a proposition as false,

[00:20:57] and then try to confirm that falsity by desperately spending a bunch of inconvenient facts

[00:21:02] that confirm the proposition is actually true.

[00:21:04] The entire section on Harris and Willie Brown is a textbook example.

[00:21:08] Uh, this is from the times that says the sexist insinuations point in part to her brief

[00:21:13] relationship in the 1990s with Willie Brown, who was 60 and the speaker of the California

[00:21:18] assembly when Harris was 29 and rising in the Bay area legal scene.

[00:21:21] He appointed Harris to two well-paid state board positions and introduced her to his political

[00:21:26] connections.

[00:21:27] When she was campaigning to be San Francisco's district attorney in 2003,

[00:21:31] her opponents repeatedly commented on her link to Brown reference.

[00:21:35] This is references that she told the New York times in 2019 were frustrating and designed

[00:21:39] to degrade, frankly, the conversation about why we needed a new DA.

[00:21:44] And it goes on to say, uh, Brown, who was repeatedly investigated by the FBI for corruption

[00:21:49] was far more involved in Harris career sent than appointing her to two board positions.

[00:21:54] He was a King maker in California.

[00:21:55] And if you know anything about Willie Brown, he is a King maker.

[00:21:59] He was a King maker in California and he was heavily involved in helping Harris to get

[00:22:03] elected as San Francisco district attorney.

[00:22:05] Brown didn't do this entirely out of the goodness of his heart.

[00:22:08] Harris was working for the previous district attorney, Terrence Hallin, Hallin, Hallinan,

[00:22:23] but others suggest the controversy was manufactured.

[00:22:26] This whole thing is about Kamala Harris.

[00:22:28] A source close to Brown told the San Francisco Chronicle quote, cross one of Willie's friends

[00:22:33] and there will be hell to pay.

[00:22:35] End quote.

[00:22:35] Eventually Harris ran for DA with Brown's backing.

[00:22:38] A former Brown aid managed her campaign and Brown played a key role in her fundraising,

[00:22:42] which was incredibly successful.

[00:22:44] After starting the race, pulling a distant third, she won the election.

[00:22:47] Uh, once in office, Harris then dropped or pled out corruption charges against friends of

[00:22:53] Willie Brown that Hallinan had been pursuing.

[00:22:55] There were a number of Brown's friends let off the hook, but most notably this included a

[00:22:59] sweetheart deal for a notorious city contractor caught defrauding the city by using inferior

[00:23:05] recycled concrete and sensitive projects such as parking garages and the Bay Bridge.

[00:23:11] This compromised the structural integrity of those projects and endanger lies.

[00:23:16] That was like, he, he put thousands of lives at risk in such a shady.

[00:23:25] And she was like, eh, I'll let it pass.

[00:23:29] No big deal.

[00:23:30] Right.

[00:23:31] And this is when I was reading this article, um, again, this is the stuff that we're talking

[00:23:36] about that like, you don't need to worry about the personal stuff or like her private life

[00:23:41] as Kamala Harris.

[00:23:42] There's enough, like she did in the past that you look at and you go, this is kind of deplorable

[00:23:47] that you would make this political deal.

[00:23:49] Like using inferior concrete in the Bay Bridge.

[00:23:54] Right.

[00:23:55] Like how many, how many thousands of people?

[00:24:00] Like this is where we live in earth.

[00:24:03] California is earthquake central, but San Francisco specifically, especially they have had like

[00:24:08] some of the worst or it's not funny.

[00:24:12] It's not funny.

[00:24:12] Earthquakes.

[00:24:13] Like we have them all the time and they're mostly like, you know, the sun earthquake kind

[00:24:18] of thing.

[00:24:18] But San Francisco has had a major disaster of an earthquake.

[00:24:24] And this guy like literally puts thousands of eyes at risk.

[00:24:28] Like I said, and, and she just lets it slide.

[00:24:32] Like we were talking about before we hopped on.

[00:24:34] Yes.

[00:24:34] She, she went to law school.

[00:24:37] She passed the bar.

[00:24:39] She, she did that.

[00:24:41] No one did that for her.

[00:24:42] Like she accomplished those things.

[00:24:45] But then now it's like, what is she doing with that?

[00:24:48] And it's shady.

[00:24:50] I get that she didn't go pour the inferior concrete, but how do you, as a rational person,

[00:24:58] like any, any form of logic, any brain cells, how do you go?

[00:25:01] Oh, that that's okay.

[00:25:03] We'll let it slide.

[00:25:04] Not a big deal.

[00:25:05] Was it a fricking planter that just happened to flood and, you know, cause some damage on

[00:25:10] the sidewalk and then found out it was inferior concrete?

[00:25:13] No, no.

[00:25:15] This was, they were, I forget what episode it was.

[00:25:18] As we were talking about it, they were, uh, someone was getting brought in San Francisco.

[00:25:25] They were filing criminal charges against, uh, I think it was a homeless nonprofit because

[00:25:29] they took a hundred thousand dollars for painting or something like painting a homeless

[00:25:34] shelter.

[00:25:35] And like, they didn't spend it on painting a homeless shelter and they're actually being

[00:25:38] criminally charged for it.

[00:25:39] That's just painting a homeless shelter.

[00:25:41] And we're talking about the concrete that's used to hold up the Bay bridge that has tens of

[00:25:47] thousands of people driving over it every single day.

[00:25:50] Right.

[00:25:51] Like we're talking about lives at stake or paint on a homeless shelter.

[00:25:55] And they let him off, uh, because he was friends with Willie Brown and because Kamala

[00:26:01] Harris was the district attorney.

[00:26:02] And so that is, I think that's, did she feel like she owed him favors?

[00:26:07] Like maybe because again, her relationship with him, whatever it was, whether it started off

[00:26:15] as a, you know, a personal relationship and then turned into a professional relationship,

[00:26:19] she still owed him favors because he clearly helped her get elected.

[00:26:25] Like that's what the article saying is that she was a distant third until Willie Brown came

[00:26:29] in and basically flooded her with fundraising and got everyone to support her.

[00:26:34] And she won as district attorney.

[00:26:36] So basically he could go back and go, well, you know, I, I kind of put you as district attorney

[00:26:41] of San Francisco.

[00:26:43] So, you know, you do owe me a couple favors.

[00:26:47] Um, and this is probably one of the most, uh, you know, I, I pop in things to think of

[00:26:53] that somebody, they let this person off the hook because he was a city contractor.

[00:26:57] The article does go on to say about this.

[00:27:00] Uh, it goes that Harris dropped all the fraud charges and accepted a guilty plea on a single

[00:27:05] count involving an environmental violation.

[00:27:08] It says Harris office had no explanation for why it dropped the concrete case reported the

[00:27:14] Chronicle.

[00:27:14] A better explanation is that the contractor in question was generous with campaign donations

[00:27:19] and had previously been popped for making an illegal $2,000 donation to Willie Brown.

[00:27:28] So just real quick, just in case anyone doesn't know who Willie Brown is, he's former San Francisco

[00:27:32] mayor.

[00:27:33] Correct.

[00:27:33] And then he was like in the assembly.

[00:27:35] He's, he's been heavily involved in California politics.

[00:27:39] I mean, he's retired now.

[00:27:41] He's like 90, but he was like 30, 40 years, decades, decades in politics.

[00:27:46] Yeah.

[00:27:46] Like he had quite a, quite a political history.

[00:27:51] He's like, to put it for California politics.

[00:27:57] He's like the, the Nancy Pelosi of.

[00:28:02] Yeah.

[00:28:02] That's what I was going to say.

[00:28:03] Like he's that level of influence, like Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama with her going to, I'm

[00:28:09] just kidding.

[00:28:10] Yeah.

[00:28:10] Showing up like by, you know, steam, steam train showing up to Congress.

[00:28:15] Um, so that's the beginning of her career.

[00:28:19] So already starting off questionably.

[00:28:22] Like so anybody in San Francisco, I mean, they have a new Bay bridge now, thankfully that,

[00:28:28] but just keep in mind that Kamala Harris sold your safety out.

[00:28:32] Do away with the inferior concrete bridge.

[00:28:34] Probably.

[00:28:36] City slash state spent probably millions and millions of dollars on tax dollars.

[00:28:44] But there's a not, there's some other stories from her district attorney time that I want

[00:28:49] to talk about.

[00:28:49] You actually found this one is about, uh, it says San Francisco's paying for Jamal true

[00:28:54] love's wrongful conviction.

[00:28:56] Will Kamala Harris.

[00:28:58] Uh, I'm going to go really quickly over this story because we have a lot to get to.

[00:29:04] Uh, basically true love was convicted of murder.

[00:29:08] Uh, Kamala Harris's district attorney office prosecuted the case.

[00:29:13] Uh, and they brought forward this one eyewitness Lua LaMega.

[00:29:19] Um, and they, she was the only person who gave testimony, who came forward for it.

[00:29:24] Um, and the, the evidence was not great.

[00:29:28] Like it was a dark night.

[00:29:30] She couldn't see.

[00:29:31] It was a bad vantage point.

[00:29:32] Like she couldn't recall.

[00:29:33] It was a window far away.

[00:29:34] It was a window far away.

[00:29:36] Her story kept changing.

[00:29:37] Like they showed pictures of true love and she wasn't able to pick them out for like

[00:29:42] hours, like staring at the board.

[00:29:43] She couldn't figure it out, but they convicted, uh, this poor guy for murder and he went to

[00:29:50] jail and then they went to appeals 2014 and they overturned his conviction based on this

[00:29:55] witnesses, uh, credibility.

[00:29:58] And then 2015, the same prosecutor at the San Francisco D's DA's office tried retried true

[00:30:03] love, but he was acquitted and walked free for the first time.

[00:30:06] And since his 2008 arrest, um, and then federal civil jury trial awarded true love $10 million

[00:30:12] fined.

[00:30:13] The San Francisco police officers fabricated evidence against them and withheld exculpatory

[00:30:17] evidence.

[00:30:18] So this is something that they've talked about, uh, regarding Kamala Harris when they say like

[00:30:24] she withheld exculpatory evidence.

[00:30:27] So there is a Supreme court ruling not to get super legalese on you, but it's called Brady.

[00:30:33] Um, and it's like Brady evidence is anything that is exculpatory.

[00:30:38] If the prosecutor finds evidence that can help the defendant's case, exculpatory evidence,

[00:30:45] that's what they call it.

[00:30:46] You have to turn it over.

[00:30:48] So prosecutors can't like hold onto it and be like, well, we're not going to let you know

[00:30:51] that there's this evidence.

[00:30:51] You have to prove your case or defend yourself.

[00:30:54] Um, Kamala Harris has a history of doing this.

[00:30:58] Like that's her office has a history of withholding exculpatory evidence and putting people behind

[00:31:03] bars, uh, because of it.

[00:31:05] So not playing exactly fair, like, and I think she got in trouble for, uh, doing this and,

[00:31:12] and hiding a lot of exculpatory evidence.

[00:31:14] So, uh, so far still out there.

[00:31:18] So I want to clarify though, on this case, she was not the attorney on it.

[00:31:23] It was a deputy attorney.

[00:31:26] Is that correct?

[00:31:28] A dip?

[00:31:28] Yes.

[00:31:29] Okay.

[00:31:30] She, she was not the actual attorney doing it.

[00:31:33] Like it wasn't her case.

[00:31:35] Like she wasn't in the courtroom.

[00:31:36] She had held the evidence.

[00:31:38] Harris.

[00:31:38] It was her office.

[00:31:39] Her office.

[00:31:40] So it was someone named Linda Allen, but Harris appointed this person.

[00:31:45] Yes.

[00:31:46] Yeah.

[00:31:46] I mean, it's, you know, the buck stops with her.

[00:31:49] She was the district attorney.

[00:31:51] So she's the boss of all of the prosecutors in San Francisco at that time.

[00:31:56] And if there's a, uh, you know, if she is fine with people withholding exculpatory evidence,

[00:32:03] right.

[00:32:04] That sort of goes throughout the whole office of like, okay, this is fine.

[00:32:07] Like there.

[00:32:08] Yeah.

[00:32:08] My point is she doesn't have very much discernment on who she's putting in positions.

[00:32:17] Right.

[00:32:17] If this is.

[00:32:19] Okay.

[00:32:20] Which begs the question.

[00:32:22] And I think this begs a question of her, uh, you know, executive management abilities.

[00:32:29] Either she can go back and say, I didn't know that my prosecutors were doing this, which shows

[00:32:34] you were not in control of your office, which is scary.

[00:32:38] Like this.

[00:32:39] Yeah.

[00:32:39] If this is a common theme, then you're not in control of your office and you don't know

[00:32:44] what's going on, which makes you an incompetent leader.

[00:32:46] And now we want to make you president of the United States.

[00:32:49] You can't be the district attorney of San Francisco, or you were fine with it.

[00:32:53] Like there's only two explanations.

[00:32:55] Either you were fine with it and you were in control of your office and you knew this

[00:32:58] was happening and you were fine with it, or you're completely incompetent and you didn't

[00:33:02] know what's going on.

[00:33:03] Either way, both of these are not good.

[00:33:06] Good looks for Kamala Harris.

[00:33:07] Either like either you supported withholding exculpatory evidence or you're just an incompetent

[00:33:13] leader and don't know what you're doing and how to handle it.

[00:33:15] Well, and I know we're probably going to get into it, but there's just several incidents

[00:33:20] of her saying, oh, I didn't know.

[00:33:22] Or that wasn't me that said that.

[00:33:24] That was, but it was people under her.

[00:33:27] And one isolated incident, fine.

[00:33:31] Like I would hope that she would, you know, there would be discipline for that, that attorney

[00:33:36] or that they would be like, oh, depending on the incident.

[00:33:39] But this is not one isolated incident thing.

[00:33:43] And this is now a man spent, I think, seven years in jail over being accused, found guilty

[00:33:51] of a murder he did not commit.

[00:33:53] And then I know that this, then the eyewitness for this case, they spent like $60,000 on her

[00:34:00] at the time, $60,000 was a lot more than it is now.

[00:34:03] But, you know, I guess not like pampering her, but putting her up in the hotel, bringing

[00:34:09] her in.

[00:34:10] And she even went into the eyewitness protection program for a time or something.

[00:34:13] It's kind of extreme.

[00:34:14] And now it's been overturned.

[00:34:18] He was wrongly accused.

[00:34:19] And who gets to pay the $10 million, which I mean, no, I'm not saying he doesn't deserve

[00:34:28] $10 million because he probably deserves $10 million for every year he spent in jail because

[00:34:32] that's sick and horrific and unfair.

[00:34:34] But it's now this huge mistake is now on state, which means taxes, which means our taxes, which

[00:34:41] means like, you know, going back to this whole budget deficit thing.

[00:34:44] Like if they could maybe get their act together, we wouldn't be spending all this money on all

[00:34:50] these absurd things.

[00:34:51] And again, I'm not saying it's absurd to pay him, but it's absurd that this like her, she,

[00:34:58] her and her people, they should be picking up trash on the side of the road to cover cost.

[00:35:03] Anyway, you can carry on with more incidents.

[00:35:06] Right.

[00:35:07] So obviously her mishandling of the criminal justice system didn't stop with her as district attorney.

[00:35:13] Um, after district attorney, she was then elected as attorney general of the state of

[00:35:19] California, meaning she was the top criminal prosecutor in all of California.

[00:35:24] So she spent some time doing that.

[00:35:27] Uh, and she still didn't really clean up her act.

[00:35:31] Uh, she probably the most notable that everyone knows about is that she refused to let out

[00:35:37] inmates after the Supreme court had already told her, you have to let inmates out.

[00:35:42] Um, so this was in 2011.

[00:35:46] Go ahead.

[00:35:47] Interrupt you.

[00:35:48] Yeah.

[00:35:48] Remember.

[00:35:50] Okay.

[00:35:50] I'm, I apologize.

[00:35:51] I don't know the dates, but remember when the slaves were freed and then a lot of slave

[00:35:58] voters didn't tell them that they were freed.

[00:36:00] This sounds like the same kind of story here.

[00:36:04] Supreme court rules.

[00:36:06] And she's like, we're not going to let them out.

[00:36:09] Carry on.

[00:36:10] Yeah.

[00:36:10] For someone who is so proud of Juneteenth and probably one of the biggest supporters

[00:36:15] of it.

[00:36:16] Uh, she had her own Juneteenth with her inmates in California because the Supreme court was

[00:36:23] like, no, a lot of these people should be free to go because we'll get into it.

[00:36:27] And she was like, nah, I'm not really going to tell them that they're free to go.

[00:36:31] Uh, so the story is back in 2011, this is from red state.

[00:36:35] Uh, the United States Supreme court ruled in a class action suit brought by the inmates

[00:36:39] that severe overcrowding California state prisons were tantamount to cruel and unusual

[00:36:43] punishment in order.

[00:36:45] The state to reduce its prison population by early 2014, the state hadn't met the population

[00:36:50] reduction targets, prompting the plaintiffs to ask the court to enforce the order.

[00:36:55] And in February, 2014, the state was ordered to immediately implement specific population

[00:36:59] reduction measures that amounted to granting early release to nonviolent second offenders

[00:37:04] and certain minimum security inmates.

[00:37:07] Still the state was non-compliant.

[00:37:09] And in November, 2014 was ordered to create and begin operating a new parole.

[00:37:15] Determination process through which nonviolent second strikers will be eligible for parole

[00:37:19] consideration by the board of parole hearings.

[00:37:22] Once they have served 50% of their sentence by January, 2015, as they had been ordered to

[00:37:27] promptly in the February, 2014 order.

[00:37:31] What was the holdup?

[00:37:32] The LA times reported that most of the prisoners now work as groundskeepers, janitors, and prison

[00:37:39] kitchens with wages that range from eight cents to 37 cents per hour.

[00:37:45] Lawyers for attorney general Kamala Harris had argued in court that if forced to release

[00:37:50] these inmates early, prisons would lose an important labor pool.

[00:37:54] Slavery.

[00:37:57] I mean, if you told people you had to work for eight cents, eight to 37 cents an hour, do

[00:38:02] you think that would be tantamount to slavery?

[00:38:05] It was supposed to be free.

[00:38:07] And this is probably the same person who at one point is probably advocated for 15 to $20

[00:38:12] minimum wage.

[00:38:13] Yeah.

[00:38:13] She was fine with eight to 37 cents for prisoners and inmates who should have been released.

[00:38:19] Like these people should have been released and let go on parole because they were nonviolent

[00:38:24] or they were second, like they were, they met the requirements for parole.

[00:38:28] Nope.

[00:38:29] We got to keep them because it's cheap labor in the prisons.

[00:38:32] That's what we like.

[00:38:33] I think while Harris should have gone to prison over that.

[00:38:35] And I, I have no idea, well, like what the specific charge would be, but I think that's

[00:38:42] so wrong because I don't see how that's not slavery.

[00:38:46] Right.

[00:38:46] How is that not a violation of the 13th amendment?

[00:38:48] If the Supreme court is saying you have to let these people out and you have to let them

[00:38:53] go.

[00:38:54] Um, and you go, nah, we're, we're not going to let them go.

[00:38:58] Even though the highest court in the land says we have to, because we need cheap labor.

[00:39:03] And yeah, the argument wasn't that they're, they're unsafe, that they could, you know,

[00:39:08] they're going to be, if we let them out into the communities, this puts people at risk

[00:39:13] and stuff like that.

[00:39:14] No, the argument was we need cheap labor.

[00:39:18] No, it would have been more.

[00:39:19] Uh, it would have been a little bit more admirable for her to say, no, like we believe these are

[00:39:26] people who need to be locked up because they are a threat to society and for our safety.

[00:39:31] And I don't care what the Supreme court says.

[00:39:33] I want to keep California safe.

[00:39:35] If that was her excuse, you can be like, eh, okay.

[00:39:38] That's a little bit of a better political excuse, but cheap labor to say like, we need these

[00:39:43] people to clean our toilets and be groundskeepers.

[00:39:46] That's your excuse for letting them out.

[00:39:49] Like that's, that's irreprehensible.

[00:39:52] Like you're saying it's almost criminal that.

[00:39:54] And again, like the, the, the gentleman in the past story with the DA's office, this,

[00:40:00] these are people's lives.

[00:40:01] Like you don't get that time back.

[00:40:04] Like you don't get time back because Kamala Harris as attorney general goes, I'm not going

[00:40:08] to let you out because we need cheap labor.

[00:40:10] Like you don't get that time back.

[00:40:11] You don't get to ever get that back.

[00:40:13] That poor guy, seven years in jail, but until his appeal was heard or it was overturned,

[00:40:18] like he'll never get seven years back.

[00:40:20] And $10 million might be the, uh, you know, a fine reward, but you can't buy time.

[00:40:27] Right.

[00:40:28] Right.

[00:40:28] Like he'll never get that time back.

[00:40:30] He'll had two kids at the time.

[00:40:33] Yeah.

[00:40:33] He'll never, that's a long time.

[00:40:35] Seven years to be away from your kids.

[00:40:36] Like your kids grow up a lot in 70.

[00:40:38] I'm sure.

[00:40:40] Like if I actually really get into thinking about that, I'll start crying.

[00:40:44] Well then let's move on to her excuse.

[00:40:47] I can't imagine like me leaving for like a month and not seeing my kids and my kids are

[00:40:51] older.

[00:40:52] Like they're not going to change that much.

[00:40:53] This isn't like, you know, three months, four months, like they're, they're older.

[00:40:56] But I can't even like imagine being away from my kids for a month.

[00:41:00] When my, when my nephew went off to college last year, moved out of state, my sister was

[00:41:05] like, Ooh, forget it.

[00:41:06] And I'm like, no, I'm like crying for you that your son left.

[00:41:09] Like I can't handle it.

[00:41:12] I, I, seven years is like, if you left and your kid was seven, so they're a little kid.

[00:41:18] Oh, see, you're going to get into it and you can get into it.

[00:41:20] It's okay.

[00:41:20] I'll be okay.

[00:41:21] But I just.

[00:41:21] And then seven years goes by.

[00:41:23] They're 14.

[00:41:24] They're in high school.

[00:41:25] You've missed their childhood.

[00:41:26] A little different person.

[00:41:28] Yeah.

[00:41:29] And what are they like now?

[00:41:30] Their temperament has changed.

[00:41:31] Like, and you weren't there during their formative years.

[00:41:34] Yeah.

[00:41:34] That's why I really can't stop and think about that.

[00:41:38] Like, because I will, and I'm not going to right now, but if I, but if sincerely, if like

[00:41:43] when I read those stories or like abductions and then they're returned and it's yay, that's

[00:41:48] a happy ending to that story.

[00:41:49] But like, when I think about that time lost between the parent and child, I, I get all

[00:41:55] emotional.

[00:41:57] So let's redirect, let's redirect that emotion.

[00:42:02] It's an important point.

[00:42:03] Like she did that.

[00:42:06] Yeah.

[00:42:06] She did that.

[00:42:07] That guy's life will never be the same because she did that.

[00:42:10] It didn't matter.

[00:42:10] Like those people who were left in prison because she didn't want to give up cheap labor.

[00:42:17] Those are days and time lost with their family.

[00:42:19] So I don't know how people just overlook that and go, but it's fine.

[00:42:23] We can argue, well, they did something to get there, but I think most of these charges

[00:42:28] were like, they had weed.

[00:42:30] Yeah.

[00:42:30] Well, the Supreme court said it's nonviolent.

[00:42:33] So like, it's not the nonviolent, but like people with weed or like a little bit of drugs,

[00:42:37] like it wasn't like, they weren't like kingpins or like, you know, murders or stuff like

[00:42:44] that.

[00:42:44] Also not advocating that, you know, illegal drugs are okay.

[00:42:50] But nonviolent, like, okay.

[00:42:52] Like that's, that's a whole different topic too, but yes.

[00:42:55] Whole different topic, whole different episode.

[00:42:57] Anyway, if you want to hear her excuse, which may change, you know, redirect your emotion

[00:43:02] away from the thought of losing time is as when approached by Buzzfeed news, two months

[00:43:08] later, Kamala played dumb quote.

[00:43:11] I will be very candid with you because I saw that article this morning and I was shocked

[00:43:16] and I'm looking into it to see if the way it was characterized in the paper is actually

[00:43:23] how it occurred in court.

[00:43:24] Harris told Buzzfeed news in an interview Monday quote.

[00:43:27] Acceptable.

[00:43:28] I was very troubled by what I read.

[00:43:31] I just need to find out what did we actually say in court?

[00:43:35] Doesn't matter.

[00:43:36] Doesn't matter.

[00:43:37] That's the result.

[00:43:38] Like your office oversaw that.

[00:43:40] That's the result.

[00:43:41] It's like the wrongful conviction.

[00:43:43] Again, like you were, you're the boss.

[00:43:45] Words matter.

[00:43:46] Yes.

[00:43:48] But actions matter more.

[00:43:49] So regardless of what your little lawyers went out and said in court, you still didn't

[00:43:54] release them.

[00:43:55] Right.

[00:43:57] It goes to the question, either you're incompetent as a leader in your management or the, you,

[00:44:07] you are doing these horrible things on purpose.

[00:44:09] Yeah.

[00:44:10] Like you don't, you can't tell me the attorney general of California, if they're getting

[00:44:14] in a pissing match with the Supreme court over prisoners, that doesn't pique your interest

[00:44:19] as the attorney general, like your attorneys are going in front of the Supreme court.

[00:44:24] That doesn't pique your interest a little bit to be like, maybe I should oversee this case.

[00:44:30] Maybe I should know what we're saying here.

[00:44:32] Like this is important.

[00:44:33] This is the Supreme court.

[00:44:35] We're talking about here.

[00:44:36] She was just like ambivalent.

[00:44:38] I was like, I don't even know what they said in court.

[00:44:40] Like, are you kidding me?

[00:44:42] Like, you didn't know what your attorneys said in court at the U S Supreme court.

[00:44:46] Like you didn't care about that.

[00:44:48] That again, you're either it's, it comes back to the same thing.

[00:44:52] You're either incompetent or you're truly this evil that you let this stuff happen.

[00:44:57] And that's what it comes out to you.

[00:44:58] That's also a really big case.

[00:44:59] Like it's a big issue.

[00:45:01] It wasn't some like little, I don't know.

[00:45:05] I mean, I don't really know how the inner workings of the attorney general are, but it wasn't like a minor issue that was being dealt with.

[00:45:12] And then she was like, Oh gosh, I didn't follow up with that one.

[00:45:15] I've been so busy with these.

[00:45:16] Like that was, that was a big deal.

[00:45:18] It should have been at the top of her radar of what was going on.

[00:45:22] And so she should have been aware of what the lawyers were saying, what they were arguing.

[00:45:25] And again, the actions behind it, Supreme court said do X, Y, and Z.

[00:45:30] She didn't do X, Y, and Z.

[00:45:32] Then she just turns around and goes, well, I don't know.

[00:45:34] What did they actually say?

[00:45:35] I need to find out what was actually said in court.

[00:45:38] And, and no, no.

[00:45:40] Oh my gosh, if this is true, this is horrific.

[00:45:42] And I'm, I'm going to get to the bottom of this.

[00:45:44] I'm, you know, it's my job to make this right.

[00:45:48] I'm the boss here.

[00:45:50] This is on me.

[00:45:51] Let me find out what's going on.

[00:45:53] I want to speak with you further when I know the truth of the issue.

[00:45:57] And I, you know, I sincerely hope that's not what was said.

[00:46:00] And I apologize for nothing, nothing.

[00:46:05] Yeah.

[00:46:08] All right.

[00:46:08] Moving forward after attorney general, she was appointed Senator.

[00:46:13] Not much really as Senator.

[00:46:15] I mean, we can talk about, there was this whole controversy over the fact,

[00:46:19] that, um, gov track, which had stated she was the most liberal Senator in 2019.

[00:46:26] Magically disappeared over the last week.

[00:46:29] And they admitted to it.

[00:46:30] Yeah.

[00:46:31] They were like, yeah, we took it down.

[00:46:32] And it's like, okay.

[00:46:33] Came out with.

[00:46:34] So for anyone who wants to be like that, you know, only Fox news lies or whatever.

[00:46:39] Newsweek came out and said, yes, they admitted they removed it.

[00:46:42] So, um, so that was her as Senator.

[00:46:48] I mean, I don't want to get into, we could sit here and dissect her question, Brett Kavanaugh

[00:46:52] and like how horrible her question was.

[00:46:56] Um, I do want to kind of skip ahead to what I think is more pertinent is like her time running,

[00:47:02] actually running for president in 2020 and 2019.

[00:47:05] Uh, because I think that is a little bit more, that's more reflective of where we are today,

[00:47:10] because these are the, the downfalls and the fail or like her weaknesses from that time

[00:47:16] that we're probably going to see again over the next four months, which made her incredibly

[00:47:22] unpopular.

[00:47:23] We're going to talk about her voting record as Senator at all.

[00:47:26] Do you want to?

[00:47:28] A little bit.

[00:47:28] Okay.

[00:47:30] Okay.

[00:47:30] I can pull that up because it does segue into presidency.

[00:47:33] That's why.

[00:47:34] Yeah, go ahead.

[00:47:35] Okay.

[00:47:35] So, um, when she was Senator, U S Senator, Donald Trump was president and she, uh, every time

[00:47:48] that he wanted to appoint someone to a position, she would either not vote or she would vote

[00:47:53] no.

[00:47:54] And she maybe has reasons, but it feels to me like the reasons are that's a Republican

[00:48:01] and I'm not going to work with Republicans.

[00:48:03] Every single, you can go through it.

[00:48:05] This is obviously, you know, public information.

[00:48:08] Every single person that he wanted to appoint, every single person was no, no, no, did not

[00:48:13] vote.

[00:48:14] No.

[00:48:14] And so that speaks to her, uh, inability to actually unify and work across party lines.

[00:48:24] She had no interest whatsoever.

[00:48:26] And then a big deal for me.

[00:48:29] And I get that.

[00:48:30] It's not like a lot of people like love her because women's rights, but she, um, during

[00:48:35] that time they had the vote on, um, I, I think I forget the name of it, but it was, if, if

[00:48:41] a baby survived abortion there, they were trying to push a bill to, um, that baby should receive

[00:48:48] medical care, like any other baby that's born, it should receive fair medical attention.

[00:48:55] And, um, she said no, which means, you know, just, I guess, born alive, baby, somewhat mutilated,

[00:49:04] throw it in the trash, whatever that, however they handle that.

[00:49:07] I don't know.

[00:49:08] Just leave it be.

[00:49:08] And then at the same time there was, um, banning abortions after 20 weeks.

[00:49:14] And, um, of course she voted no to that too.

[00:49:18] And for me, like that's, that's a big deal.

[00:49:22] I don't see how any person with a pulse could be like, oh, that baby's born and struggling

[00:49:31] and needs medical attention.

[00:49:33] But because somebody else wanted to abort it, it's not worthwhile.

[00:49:37] Like how many people do you like, you see on social media, a post of like a puppy that

[00:49:45] was abandoned or even a dog or, and it was thrown in the trash.

[00:49:48] It was, it has a bag over its head and everyone like rallies and how can people do this?

[00:49:53] And how, where can I donate and save this puppy?

[00:49:56] But like a human life, a human life, they're like, no, that, that human life doesn't deserve

[00:50:01] medical attention.

[00:50:02] I don't get that.

[00:50:03] I don't get that frame of thought at all.

[00:50:05] And I, I get that other people don't believe like that.

[00:50:08] And they're like, it's not a baby.

[00:50:10] If it's not wanted, it doesn't matter.

[00:50:12] Okay.

[00:50:12] But like those same people are crying over abandoned puppies.

[00:50:16] They're not the same people.

[00:50:19] I mean, neither should deserves being.

[00:50:22] So anyway, I just wanted to touch on those things because she doesn't want to work across

[00:50:28] party lines and she doesn't want born alive babies to have medical attention if they were

[00:50:35] supposed to be aborted.

[00:50:36] So anyway.

[00:50:38] Yeah.

[00:50:39] I'm looking at her record and I noticed to your point about not working across the aisle.

[00:50:44] She did, she voted no on Eugene Scalia as the secretary of labor, who is the son of Antonin

[00:50:52] Scalia.

[00:50:53] So obviously that was mostly probably politically biased because she probably doesn't like Antonin

[00:51:01] Scalia, the late great Antonin Scalia.

[00:51:04] So yeah, that's not because she didn't think he was good for the job.

[00:51:08] She just probably voted against him because of Scalia.

[00:51:11] Like you just, if you were just to briefly go through those pages, you're going to see,

[00:51:17] no, did not vote.

[00:51:18] No, did not vote.

[00:51:19] So it's just.

[00:51:24] Reason Magazine.

[00:51:25] Making a political statement there, obviously.

[00:51:27] Oh yeah.

[00:51:28] She was, she was anti-Trump and you know, she didn't want to work across the aisle with Trump

[00:51:33] and she probably wouldn't want to work across the aisle with any Republican.

[00:51:38] Reason Magazine came out with an article not too, a couple of days ago regarding basically

[00:51:43] her run for president right now.

[00:51:46] Well, actually, before we get there, I did want to bring up this quick little fact about

[00:51:51] and do it, do with it what you will.

[00:51:54] But this fact I found completely hilarious.

[00:51:58] According to what article is it?

[00:52:02] Where can I find it?

[00:52:03] Darn.

[00:52:04] I can't find it amongst all the tabs I have open.

[00:52:07] Anyway, here's a fun fact for you.

[00:52:09] Donald Trump got more votes in the Democratic primary in 2020 than Kamala Harris did.

[00:52:19] Just to, just to reiterate, Donald Trump got more votes than Kamala Harris did in the Democratic

[00:52:25] primary in 2020.

[00:52:30] I think the number was something like he got like 3,500 write-in votes.

[00:52:35] Like people actually, Democrats went out of their way to write in Donald Trump and he got

[00:52:39] 3,500 votes.

[00:52:41] Kamala Harris got a little over 800 votes.

[00:52:44] So just to put that out there.

[00:52:48] Donald Trump.

[00:52:49] That is barely a drop in the bucket.

[00:52:52] Eight or 800.

[00:52:54] 800.

[00:52:56] That is, that's an enormous failing on her part of how unpopular she was.

[00:53:02] That's why she dropped out almost immediately because there was no support behind her.

[00:53:07] But yeah, I think that's a fact that needs to go more viral.

[00:53:10] The fact that back in 2019, 2020, Donald Trump was more popular in the Democratic primary

[00:53:16] than Kamala Harris was.

[00:53:18] So take that with, for what you will, run with it.

[00:53:22] I think that was hilarious that I actually found that fact.

[00:53:27] Okay.

[00:53:28] So are we almost up to, I think we're close to at this point, her running now, right?

[00:53:35] Like she, she obviously, there wasn't really much about her run.

[00:53:40] Obviously it was very unimpressive in 2020.

[00:53:43] She was selected by Joe Biden and he made it very clear why he selected her.

[00:53:49] It was based on race and gender.

[00:53:53] And she's been uneventful ever since.

[00:53:57] But.

[00:53:57] Yeah, we've got a lot of thinking and stuff.

[00:54:00] She's done a lot of cackling.

[00:54:04] She was, I don't really know what she was in charge of or what she was supposed to do.

[00:54:09] Like she has no record as VP of like what she tackled.

[00:54:12] And the media right now is doing their best to make sure that you know that there is no

[00:54:18] record of her actually being called the borders are, or like she was put in charge of the border.

[00:54:23] Even though corporate media, for some reason has not learned this lesson.

[00:54:28] The internet is forever.

[00:54:30] Internet is forever.

[00:54:31] Internet is forever.

[00:54:32] Screen shots are the real MVP I have been preaching for years.

[00:54:35] Yeah, I'm sorry, but you can't just, you can't try and, or, you know, George Orwell, all this

[00:54:43] stuff and be like, no, she was never the Republicans are lying.

[00:54:47] She was never the borders are.

[00:54:50] But the people over at a media research center put together this wonderful little

[00:54:59] compilation video.

[00:55:00] I did.

[00:55:01] I haven't seen this.

[00:55:03] Going over what it was like before and after Joe Biden dropped out and how the media talked

[00:55:09] about her being the borders are.

[00:55:11] So here we go.

[00:55:14] Quote unquote borders are vice president Harris was not a borders are.

[00:55:20] In time, vice president and borders are Kamala Harris facing some backlash.

[00:55:24] What he said about Harris and immigration was not true.

[00:55:27] She was never appointed borders are.

[00:55:28] And this will be her first visit to the U.S.-Mexico border region since she was appointed as the

[00:55:34] borders are by President Biden.

[00:55:35] People have to counter the misinformation.

[00:55:37] You already hear folks talking about the borders are.

[00:55:39] She wasn't the borders are.

[00:55:40] President Biden tapped Kamala Harris, vice president Kamala Harris, to be the borders are.

[00:55:45] Now she wasn't the borders are.

[00:55:47] That's what Republicans labeled her.

[00:55:49] They were very critical of Kamala Harris, especially in her role as borders are.

[00:55:54] Now what she's up against is folks lying about her border record, calling her a borders are.

[00:55:59] Kamala Harris, who was appointed as the borders are.

[00:56:02] The Biden team didn't declare her the borders are.

[00:56:03] They wanted her to work on kind of the root causes of immigration.

[00:56:06] There has been so much criticism against Kamala Harris.

[00:56:08] You know, she was the borders are calling her sort of the borders are, which wasn't necessarily

[00:56:13] the case.

[00:56:14] So the border, if they weren't planning to address it in a major way, do not make her your borders are.

[00:56:18] She met with some of the Northern triangle countries, but nothing has effectively changed.

[00:56:24] There you go.

[00:56:25] Internet is forever and the internet remains undefeated.

[00:56:32] So they're trying to now memory hole this fact that she was not the borders are.

[00:56:38] She was never put in charge of the border.

[00:56:40] That's what they're saying now.

[00:56:41] This whole border calamity, not her fault.

[00:56:43] She was never in charge of the border and she was never borders are.

[00:56:47] So I don't know what you guys are talking about.

[00:56:49] So that's not something you can attack her on.

[00:56:52] But as we know, obviously the border, one of the top issues, I think it's one of the

[00:56:56] top three of voters continually.

[00:56:58] It's always the economy, economy and immigration.

[00:57:01] I think you're like part of the top three that she's going to get wrecked on that issue

[00:57:07] alone.

[00:57:07] I think like, and they're not going to let this go that they're, they're not going to let

[00:57:11] the corporate media just pretend like, no, she was never borders are.

[00:57:15] She was never in charge of the border.

[00:57:17] Like they're not going to let this go.

[00:57:18] So, um, yeah.

[00:57:22] Uh, any thoughts on that video?

[00:57:24] And well, that video is of course.

[00:57:29] Um, I just still remember her being questioned and she's like, we've ended the border.

[00:57:35] I bet we're going to the border.

[00:57:36] I mean, I haven't been to Europe.

[00:57:38] Yep.

[00:57:38] Which I also found odd that she was like, I haven't been to Europe.

[00:57:41] And it's like, really?

[00:57:42] You, you never been to Europe?

[00:57:44] Like normal people go to Europe.

[00:57:46] Like what have you been doing?

[00:57:49] And she was pretty well traveled because, you know, with her, uh, having family in like

[00:57:54] Jamaica and I think Asia, right?

[00:57:58] Like, so she had actually, and then she spent some time living in Canada and stuff.

[00:58:01] And so it was kind of funny when she's like, I've never been to Europe.

[00:58:04] And I almost wanted to fact check her on that.

[00:58:06] Like I wanted to be like, I bet you've been to Europe.

[00:58:09] Yeah.

[00:58:10] She probably seems weird, but like Italy or France is in Europe.

[00:58:14] I don't know.

[00:58:14] You know, you've, you've been Senator for how long and you've never been to Europe.

[00:58:19] Oh, weird.

[00:58:20] Okay.

[00:58:21] Um, anyway, so this article from reason came out a couple of days ago and it's titled,

[00:58:27] it's been easy to forget how bad Kamala Harris is, which is sort of the point of this whole

[00:58:31] episode is kind of, we're reminding everybody how bad she's actually been.

[00:58:35] Um, article goes on and say Kamala Harris, the horrible campaigner and Kamala Harris, the

[00:58:39] cop can be easy to forget.

[00:58:41] If you're only considering what Harris has done lately, her tenure as vice president has

[00:58:45] been almost entirely unremarkable.

[00:58:47] The most distinguishing feature has been a series of bizarre, but benign word salads and

[00:58:52] political memory is short.

[00:58:54] Um, before we continue with the article, I did find a hilarious video making fun of

[00:59:02] her word salads.

[00:59:03] Do you want to watch the episode?

[00:59:06] And I have to give credit, you know, I used to love daily show back in the day when they

[00:59:10] made fun of George Bush and all that stuff.

[00:59:12] I have to give them credit.

[00:59:13] They actually had a really funny skit.

[00:59:15] So anybody who's watching, don't automatically tune it off just because we played the daily

[00:59:19] show.

[00:59:20] Uh, so this is a funny skit by the daily show regarding her word salad and where it comes

[00:59:29] from.

[00:59:32] Talking about the significance of the passage of time, right?

[00:59:36] The significance of the passage of time.

[00:59:39] So when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time.

[00:59:45] Seems like maybe it's a small issue.

[00:59:47] It's a big issue.

[00:59:48] You need to get to go.

[00:59:49] I need to be able to get where you need to go to do the work and get home.

[00:59:54] It is time for us to do what we have been doing.

[00:59:58] And that time is every day.

[01:00:02] Every day.

[01:00:03] It is time for us to agree that she's come so far since our first session.

[01:00:08] My name is Dalia Rose Hibiscus and I am Vice President Kamala Harris's holistic thought

[01:00:18] advisor.

[01:00:20] What is a holistic thought advisor?

[01:00:23] It's holistic.

[01:00:24] Yes.

[01:00:25] And I am advising.

[01:00:27] And what do we mean when we say that?

[01:00:29] It means that I am the one by whom the thoughts are being advised from a place of advisement.

[01:00:36] And then once advised, communicated holistically.

[01:00:41] Uh, what?

[01:00:42] Mm-hmm.

[01:00:43] You better.

[01:00:46] I lead the Vice President on not so much sentences as idea voyages.

[01:00:52] You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?

[01:00:56] You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.

[01:01:03] It's a process I call speaking without thinking.

[01:01:07] It's not about the destination of the thought.

[01:01:11] It's about the journey and how many words you use to describe the journey.

[01:01:16] That's on top of everything else that we know and don't know yet based on what we've just

[01:01:21] been able to see.

[01:01:22] And because we've seen it or not doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

[01:01:25] Whenever the Vice President gets a speech from her staff, the first thing I do is cut

[01:01:31] out all the words individually.

[01:01:33] And then I take those words to my word cave.

[01:01:38] That's where I wait to learn what order the Universe wants them to be in.

[01:01:51] Words have vibrations.

[01:01:54] The feeling they give you is so much more powerful than what they mean.

[01:01:58] We have the ability to see what can be unburdened by what has been and then to make the possible

[01:02:08] actually happen.

[01:02:09] I hear the counter arguments all the time.

[01:02:14] People should be able to understand what their leaders are saying when they talk.

[01:02:18] But I prefer to leave Kamala's thoughts open to interpretation.

[01:02:23] Like a work of modern art that you look at and go, I wonder what that was all about.

[01:02:29] See the moment in time in which we exist and are present.

[01:02:35] And to be able to contextualize it.

[01:02:38] To understand where we exist in the history and in the moment as it relates not only to

[01:02:45] the past but the future.

[01:02:47] It really is such a career highlight to be working with someone with such an advanced

[01:02:52] mind space as the Vice President.

[01:02:55] I also sell essential oils on Facebook Marketplace.

[01:03:00] All right, there you go.

[01:03:02] I thought that was a good summation of

[01:03:06] her word salads.

[01:03:09] I don't know who's writing.

[01:03:11] If that's her or like who's writing her speeches.

[01:03:15] She has a weird obsession with talking about time a lot.

[01:03:19] Like the significance of time and unburdened by time and all that stuff.

[01:03:22] It just seems like the coconut tree.

[01:03:25] Like you fell off a coconut tree and you exist in the context of time.

[01:03:28] And I don't get it.

[01:03:30] I don't understand any of it.

[01:03:32] And I'm not like trying to be cute and silly.

[01:03:36] The coconut tree one I feel like was the most confusing for me.

[01:03:39] Because did she accidentally say that?

[01:03:41] Because when she says it, she kind of pauses.

[01:03:44] Talking about real Kamal and all the skit.

[01:03:46] But she's like, you know, when she's like falling out of the coconut tree.

[01:03:50] And then she kind of like pauses and almost laughs like she's trying to catch her thoughts.

[01:03:54] And then she just says something absurd.

[01:03:56] And so I don't know if she just is like nervous.

[01:03:59] Or like you said, who's writing her speeches?

[01:04:02] Is she going off cuff?

[01:04:04] Like what?

[01:04:05] I really don't know what's going on there.

[01:04:06] I'd love to know what's going on there.

[01:04:10] I know a lot of people hate Trump.

[01:04:12] That's fine.

[01:04:13] You are entitled to all your opinions.

[01:04:16] But I sincerely hope that we get to be unburdened by what has been.

[01:04:23] Her vice president.

[01:04:24] By voting this administration out.

[01:04:27] Yeah.

[01:04:27] Because it has been a tremendous burden these last four years.

[01:04:32] Right.

[01:04:32] And I am ready to be unburdened in the context of this time right now, presently.

[01:04:37] So the reason article goes on to say, so Harris isn't the best orator.

[01:04:44] Surely that's surmountable.

[01:04:45] Besides the lack of distinguishing actions during her vice presidency could even be an advantage for her.

[01:04:51] She's basically a blank slate, at least if you don't look back too far.

[01:04:54] But what if you do look back?

[01:04:58] First thing you'll see is Harris's shambolic 2020 campaign for president.

[01:05:02] She wouldn't commit to policy positions.

[01:05:05] She couldn't defend her actions.

[01:05:06] There were ongoing stories about her poor treatment of her staff.

[01:05:09] She entered the race as a top tier candidate with glowing press and some big time backers.

[01:05:13] And dropped out two months before the Iowa caucuses, polling at just 3% nationally.

[01:05:18] She wasn't even a, even polling at top tier candidate in her home state of California.

[01:05:23] It'd be incredibly easy for Republicans to portray her as someone who stands for nothing or whatever it is they think you'll hate.

[01:05:29] Most likely a representative of the California socialism.

[01:05:33] Harris's tough on crime past makes her unpopular among leftist and more radical wings of the Democratic Party,

[01:05:39] as well as among civil libertarians and criminal justice reformers.

[01:05:42] There's no doubt this will come back to haunt her again, should she become the Democratic nominee.

[01:05:48] But this past may have been especially hurtful in 2020 when the protests inspired by George Floyd's death were still raging

[01:05:54] and criminal justice reform momentum was still vibrant.

[01:05:56] Remember, defund the police and has likely mattered more in a Democratic primary than it would in general elections,

[01:06:02] since the types to find fault with Harris' prosecutorial record are unlikely to find Trump and Republicans a more welcome alternative.

[01:06:13] And it just goes on to talk about, again, her during her 28-year tenure as county prosecutor, district attorney, and state attorney general.

[01:06:20] In the public eye, she spoke of racial justice and liberal values, bolstering her cred as one of the Democratic Party's rising stars.

[01:06:27] But behind closed doors, she repeatedly fought for more aggressive prosecution, not just of violent criminals,

[01:06:33] but of people who committed misdemeanors and quality of life crimes.

[01:06:38] So, yeah, I think, again, this kind of is a good way to round out the episode.

[01:06:46] Is right now, this whole week of Kamala Harris and her anointment is sort of, you know, it's what they want.

[01:06:59] It's exciting.

[01:06:59] That's what they were hoping for.

[01:07:03] But I think the honeymoon's over, and it's been over a week, and I think more of this stuff is going to come out.

[01:07:10] And the PACs that support Donald Trump are not going to sit idly by.

[01:07:16] They're already starting the attack ads.

[01:07:19] There's probably going to be way more attack ads.

[01:07:22] They have huge war chests of money to reveal, like, what she's done in the past, what she's been accused of, and all that stuff.

[01:07:30] So I think the more you dredge up her past, she's a blank slate now because she's exciting, and everyone's just going to go with it if you're a, you know, a Democratic loyalist.

[01:07:42] But I think the more stuff comes out on her, I think it's going to hurt her, and I think you'll start seeing her poll numbers slip.

[01:07:50] I think this, other pollsters think this, that if this is the best she's going to get, this is her pop in the polls, and she's narrowed it to two or three points behind Donald Trump, that's not a good sign.

[01:08:04] Like, that's just not a good sign for her campaign overall.

[01:08:08] Any thoughts on Kamala Harris going forward as the presidential candidate?

[01:08:13] I have thoughts.

[01:08:15] They're scattered.

[01:08:17] I do find it bizarre that she was rejected by Democrats in the 2020 election, and instantly they're, like, scrambling behind her.

[01:08:31] I also want to point out, though, that, you know, she stood by Joe Biden, which I guess is just what Democrats do, but she, like, gaslit Republicans into, like, he's fine, he's fine, he's fine.

[01:08:44] How dare you say he's not fine?

[01:08:46] What are you talking about?

[01:08:48] You know, she was constantly, like, he's, I'm standing behind him.

[01:08:53] He's doing an amazing job.

[01:08:54] All of them.

[01:08:55] He's a master class.

[01:08:57] He's totally competent.

[01:08:59] He can handle the next four years.

[01:09:01] And then all of a sudden, you know, there was this push to get him to resign from running again.

[01:09:08] And then he finally does resign from running again.

[01:09:11] And then it was just, they're not even, like, mourning.

[01:09:15] They try to make him, like, the hero.

[01:09:17] He stepped down for the, you know, for the nation.

[01:09:20] This was his heroic move.

[01:09:21] And look what he did.

[01:09:23] How selfless and all this stuff.

[01:09:25] And it was just like, no, actually, you all pushed him into this because you decided after the debates that, oh, I'm not going to say the curse words.

[01:09:35] Like, but like, oh, crap.

[01:09:36] Like, we're going to lose.

[01:09:38] And that's the only reason why you all pushed him aside in the first place.

[01:09:43] Otherwise, if he was never on that debate stage, you all would have still been, you know, Joe Biden's it.

[01:09:49] He's got this.

[01:09:49] He's going to win.

[01:09:51] And then, so it's like, they just gaslight, they gaslight, they gaslight.

[01:09:54] They don't even believe in what they say.

[01:09:56] And then they make the switch.

[01:09:57] And I mean, if that's what you want for a president, fine.

[01:10:01] A sliding horror record lying to cover up, which again, that's a national safety threat.

[01:10:08] You're lying to cover up the president's abilities to lead the nation.

[01:10:13] Like, that alone, again, who does that?

[01:10:17] Why would you do that?

[01:10:17] That's sick.

[01:10:18] That's putting all of us at risk.

[01:10:20] That's disgusting.

[01:10:21] And then you gaslit us about it.

[01:10:24] And so I just, I think that she is not a serious candidate.

[01:10:29] And I can't believe people are taking her seriously.

[01:10:32] She's disgusting.

[01:10:34] Well, I mean, it's not surprising.

[01:10:36] My opinion.

[01:10:38] Not the show's opinion, not Phil's opinion, my personal opinion.

[01:10:41] Well, it's not surprising when, you know, the same kind of politicians who are engaged in this, I'm not just saying it's Democrat or Republican, but the same type of politicians who would let a city contractor off for supplying inferior concrete to the Bay Bridge, putting tens of thousands of Bay Area residents at risk.

[01:11:06] These are the same politicians when it comes to holding on to power would lie to the American people about the competency and mental health of the current president of the United States for months, if not years.

[01:11:19] And then all of a sudden, no, okay, now we got a new person.

[01:11:26] And it's like, well, why do we have a new person?

[01:11:28] We want to pass the torch.

[01:11:30] And it's like, is it because you want to pass the torch?

[01:11:34] Or is it because you know you're going to get slaughtered?

[01:11:37] Because your candidate looks like he belongs in the nursing home?

[01:11:40] Like, they're clearly doing this, you know, like at the top of the show where I said they have to consolidate some power, not get slaughtered this November, which is what they're headed for.

[01:11:54] They were headed for an absolute slaughter.

[01:11:55] So they pulled this whole switcheroo.

[01:11:59] And, you know, it's been said ad nauseum at this point, the party that always talks about democracy and standing up for democracy is pushing a candidate who was so resoundingly rejected four years ago that she didn't win a single delegate that she actually lost.

[01:12:16] She received less votes than Donald Trump in the Democratic primary.

[01:12:21] And now all of a sudden she's being forced on everyone.

[01:12:25] And I give credit to BLM.

[01:12:27] I had posted it this week.

[01:12:29] I said, I can't believe we're in a timeline where I'm agreeing with BLM.

[01:12:32] But they've been calling this out for a while and saying, like, how can you call yourselves Democrats who are protecting democracy?

[01:12:38] Like Kamala Harris, we didn't pick her.

[01:12:40] Like, we didn't vote for her to be president.

[01:12:41] And now you're going to shove her down our throats.

[01:12:43] And people are like, wait, what?

[01:12:44] Why are you saying that?

[01:12:45] Like, you're hurting your chances.

[01:12:47] Like, has this been hacked?

[01:12:48] Like, they can't believe BLM is coming out and saying this stuff.

[01:12:50] But they have a good point, which is that nobody voted for her to be president.

[01:12:56] If nothing else, like, at least the argument you can make for Donald Trump is he won the primary to be the presidential nominee.

[01:13:04] So, at least he's got that going for him.

[01:13:07] She's never won a single delegate.

[01:13:09] And she's running for president of the United States.

[01:13:12] So, yeah, it's the astroturfing and the gaslighting has been pretty impressive this past week.

[01:13:20] And I've just kind of been sitting back watching it all.

[01:13:22] And, like, influencers like Harry Sisson, who two weeks ago was saying, like, Biden's fine.

[01:13:28] And, like, he can do it.

[01:13:31] And I'm, you know, I'm riding with Biden.

[01:13:33] I think Joe Biden's just fine.

[01:13:34] And now this week he's like, no, isn't Donald Trump too old to be president?

[01:13:38] It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second.

[01:13:40] You were just saying Biden was fine at 81 years old.

[01:13:44] And now you think Donald Trump at 78 is too old to be president?

[01:13:48] Like, you were just defending the oldest president in history.

[01:13:52] And now, 24 hours later, you're all, you know, it's, the astroturfing is pretty incredible.

[01:14:01] I'll hand it to them.

[01:14:02] They all got in line and got the talking points pretty quickly.

[01:14:06] But, again, this is the first week there really hasn't been a lot of pushback.

[01:14:11] I don't think Donald Trump has really started on her yet in the terms of, like, going after her as the candidate.

[01:14:18] Do you think he's waiting after she's officially the candidate?

[01:14:22] Yeah, I think so.

[01:14:24] You know, when's the convention?

[01:14:27] August 5th.

[01:14:28] So it's coming up.

[01:14:29] 15th, I think.

[01:14:31] Oh, it's not until 15th.

[01:14:32] So we still got a couple weeks to go.

[01:14:34] Yeah, I think it's funny that people are trying to portray the Trump campaign and the Trump team is, like, freaking out because they didn't expect this.

[01:14:45] When two weeks ago, they released that memo or that statement that said, you know, J.D. Vance is not going to agree to a debate with the VP because Kamala hasn't picked her VP yet.

[01:14:56] Like, they called it a week before it actually happened.

[01:15:01] So I think they've probably known for a while that, like, Joe Biden's not going to run if it gets really bad.

[01:15:08] And they'll probably just move Kamala in.

[01:15:10] So I don't think they're freaking out at all.

[01:15:14] And I think they're probably like, OK, you're a California liberal who has nothing to run on, who has no record of doing literally anything.

[01:15:23] You speak in riddles and, OK, this is the best you got.

[01:15:30] I guess so.

[01:15:31] Like, I don't know.

[01:15:34] What's the other Democratic choices?

[01:15:36] I mean, I guess you could say Gavin Newsom, but again, you're not going to step over the first female presidential candidate of color to get to Gavin Newsom, a rich white guy like that's not going to happen.

[01:15:49] And also, like you were talking about, they know strategy.

[01:15:53] America's a mess right now.

[01:15:55] Even if Democrats want to pretend like it's not.

[01:15:59] Whoever's the next president is going to basically be having to clean up the mess that is happening now.

[01:16:03] And so, like, let's say that Trump does get elected and he only has four years to, like, really clean up the mess.

[01:16:10] And if he fails, they're going to be like, see, he, you know, even though he's coming into such a mess.

[01:16:18] And so with Gavin, it's like you wouldn't want that to be his first four years.

[01:16:23] They're going to he's young.

[01:16:24] They're going to wait until they can get eight years out of him, which, you know.

[01:16:29] And then even if, yeah, he wouldn't want to lose to Trump, that would that would not be a good look for him.

[01:16:36] So, yeah, strategically, they're going to wait until at least 2028 to put Gavin in.

[01:16:43] And they're and they probably, you know, are assuming Kamala will lose 2024.

[01:16:48] And then, you know, he'll have finished his term as governor and he'll be gone for two years in California, whatever mess California is.

[01:16:59] And then Gavin can be like, oh, I'm not the governor.

[01:17:02] I haven't been for two years.

[01:17:03] That's not my problem.

[01:17:05] I'm over here doing this and this, you know, look at me.

[01:17:08] And yeah, then they can run him for eight years.

[01:17:10] I want to point out what's going on with Biden and propping him up as the competent president for the last four years.

[01:17:17] While we've seen him not be able to find his way off stage and fall downstairs and fall off stage and mumble through words and make more incoherent sentences than Kamala Harris has ever done.

[01:17:29] It's elder abuse.

[01:17:31] That we've allowed this to go on is elder abuse that we've kept him in this all because I don't know you guys.

[01:17:36] Democrats can't say face and admit that like this isn't okay.

[01:17:41] Kamala Harris ran on elder abuse in 2020.

[01:17:44] That was a big thing for her when she initially ran for president.

[01:17:48] Elder abuse.

[01:17:49] And then she turned around and was a part of that.

[01:17:54] A big, a big part of elder abuse.

[01:17:57] So just another thing.

[01:17:59] Like it's just words.

[01:18:01] She doesn't even know what she says.

[01:18:02] She just says things and she doesn't stand behind them.

[01:18:05] And then she does the opposite.

[01:18:07] I saw a TikTok showing Joe Biden in a debate with Kamala Harris back in 2019.

[01:18:15] And even then, Joe Biden in 2019 is completely different than Joe Biden today.

[01:18:21] Yeah.

[01:18:21] It's so weird to see like he was full of life.

[01:18:25] He had, he was like, let's do this.

[01:18:28] He's still a little bit of a stutter, but like he had fire, like he was going for it.

[01:18:32] And, but today's Joe Biden is just so weird.

[01:18:35] It's just the fall off is unbelievable.

[01:18:39] Final question before we wrap up, because this has been a monster episode, but we wanted to get this out for you guys.

[01:18:45] This was a good bonus episode for you guys because it's all happening right now.

[01:18:50] So we want to get it out.

[01:18:52] If Kamala loses, which I think she likely will, does she run again in 2028?

[01:19:01] Or do you think the Kamala Harris thing is over and she's done?

[01:19:05] Right.

[01:19:06] Cause like I just talked about, and again, I'm no political expert, but they're, they want someone that they can get in for eight years.

[01:19:13] If she's a failure, it's there.

[01:19:18] That's their time for Gavin.

[01:19:20] I mean, Gavin, Gavin Newsom, I believe is, is the golden child who they've been priming for this moment.

[01:19:26] And this moment is not now it's 2028.

[01:19:30] Yep.

[01:19:32] I'd be interested to see if she gives it another shot because she might be that vain or ego egotistical where she thinks she needs to give it another shot.

[01:19:38] But I think she'll be resoundingly rejected again if she's going up against Gavin Newsom.

[01:19:43] So, but that's a long way off and we still have four months until the next president is elected.

[01:19:48] So, all right.

[01:19:49] Any final thoughts before we log off for this episode?

[01:19:52] Cause this was a monster.

[01:19:54] It is a monster episode.

[01:19:56] Well, I hope everyone enjoyed.

[01:19:58] Well, I mean, there was so much, if you saw our show notes, there's so much we,

[01:20:01] we had written down that we probably didn't get to, but we want to give you a good idea of like the background of Kamala Harris.

[01:20:09] So at least you have some facts going forward of like what she actually did in her political career and where she's at now.

[01:20:15] And yeah, coming from California or here in California, we've lived, she's been a part of our political lives since.

[01:20:23] I don't know, past 10, 15 years.

[01:20:25] So she's been around for a while.

[01:20:28] But with that said, make sure you like, share, subscribe, review.

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[01:20:41] Maybe there's people out there who think Kamala Harris is the greatest thing since Barack Obama.

[01:20:45] Maybe share this episode with him and be like, hey, here's an episode based on facts of what she actually did and no slander and stuff like that.

[01:20:53] It's just, just the facts, just the logical facts.

[01:20:56] And with that, we'll see you on the next one.

[01:21:00] Later, everybody.

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