Ep. 256: Where the Heck Did $24 Billion Go?!

[00:00:00] What's going on everybody? Thanks for tuning in to another episode of the California Underground

[00:00:30] Podcast. I am your host, Phil. And as always with me is my trusty co-host, the best and

[00:00:35] fastest researcher in the West. Camille, how are you doing today, Camille?

[00:00:38] Well, I'm good, thanks. How are you? We've got the convention this weekend. Sorry, I

[00:00:41] had to stop to mention that.

[00:00:42] That's right. Yeah, we got big news because the convention is coming up in a couple days.

[00:00:46] We will be there. We're going to be doing three hours of live streaming. We've got

[00:00:50] a table. So definitely make sure you stop on by. For those of you who don't know,

[00:00:55] the GOP convention switches every spring and fall, I think it is. And then it

[00:01:00] was down here in OC. And then it was now it's up there in San Francisco. Yes, I

[00:01:07] guess there are conservatives up there in the Bay Area who come out to see it.

[00:01:11] So, yeah, we'll be there. We'll be walking around in the morning checking out

[00:01:14] stuff and then one to four is our time. I mean, if we say one to four will

[00:01:21] be around that time, we're going to try and stick to the time as close as

[00:01:24] possible. Doesn't mean we'll be there exactly at one or whatever, but just

[00:01:28] definitely swing by in the afternoon at the exhibitors table and say hi and

[00:01:33] check us out. And for any of those who can't make it, we will be live streaming

[00:01:37] basically everywhere. We'll be live streaming YouTube, Rumble. This time

[00:01:42] will be on Instagram live. So yeah, basically as many places as we possibly

[00:01:48] can live stream. All right. So today's episode that we want to discuss

[00:01:57] is all about where the heck did twenty four billion dollars go? If you

[00:02:05] remember back way back when we had Josh Hoover on and he's an assemblyman up

[00:02:09] in Sacramento and he talked about this audit that was happening that he

[00:02:14] was able to get started. He is on the committee and he was talking about

[00:02:19] how the results were going to come out probably a long time down the

[00:02:22] The results have come out and the reports have come out. And I'm sure

[00:02:29] you're not shocked to find out that it's not good. We don't know where

[00:02:35] most of the money went. Twenty four billion dollars was spent. There's

[00:02:40] not a lot of data as to where it went. We don't know if it's

[00:02:42] successful or not. So yeah, I think a lot of people were not would not

[00:02:48] be surprised by the fact that California lost twenty four billion

[00:02:52] dollars on homelessness. What were your initial thoughts when you saw

[00:02:56] this audit show that this much amount of money was lost Camille?

[00:03:01] Do you think they checked their coat pockets? They could have

[00:03:06] checked or like have you checked under the couch cushions? Maybe

[00:03:10] that's where some of the money does fall out into your couch

[00:03:13] cushions. Get a metal detector. No, so this is obviously disgusting,

[00:03:18] disturbing and yet not surprising. Sadly, we know that they're quite

[00:03:24] reckless up there with what they do and they often just make

[00:03:29] decisions and you know, they just think that money it appears out

[00:03:32] of nowhere and and then they do things and then they can't account

[00:03:36] for it. And it worries me that this might just blow over like

[00:03:42] like in six months. No one's going to talk about this again. It's

[00:03:45] just going to be like swept under the rug with all the twenty four

[00:03:48] billion dollars missing under there and they're just going to

[00:03:49] like sweep this whole issue under the rug and never mention it

[00:03:52] again and move on with life. Some other prices will happen, but

[00:03:56] this is serious. Twenty four billion dollars is a huge,

[00:04:01] huge amount of money, especially in a state that already has an

[00:04:04] almost one hundred billion dollar deficit. And they're trying

[00:04:09] to cut budgets in all these places and I'll stop there. That's

[00:04:13] my initial thoughts. Do you think this thought just popped

[00:04:18] into my head? Do you think that those who are in charge of

[00:04:21] all this never expected there would be an audit? Yes, I do

[00:04:27] believe they didn't think that would happen. I think the

[00:04:33] California government has gotten so big and so inflated

[00:04:36] that to try to even be accountable, who are you even

[00:04:40] being accountable to at this point? There's every time that

[00:04:42] we come up with some new idea, there's a new agency of four,

[00:04:45] five, ten people, whatever. And who are they accountable to?

[00:04:48] And I mean, it's just why I don't like Newsom's policies.

[00:04:54] So I don't want to put all this on Newsom, but there's an

[00:04:57] entire government, hundreds of thousands of employees all

[00:05:03] across the state. And then it's just like some of this

[00:05:05] money is going to counties and some of it's going to

[00:05:07] cities and some of it's going straight from Sacramento

[00:05:11] to nonprofits. And I just feel like there's so much going out

[00:05:16] that it's too much. It's too much. There's too many

[00:05:19] agencies, there's too many boards, there's too many

[00:05:22] groups, there's too many nonprofits, and then nobody

[00:05:25] is on top of it. And then if there was somebody that was

[00:05:28] on top of it, it would just be like another 500k salary

[00:05:33] for this group for this group for this and there would be

[00:05:35] like millions more gone.

[00:05:37] I don't know if I need to say that.

[00:05:38] We were discussing, we were discussing something you're

[00:05:41] looking into. Remind me again, how many agencies or

[00:05:47] groups are in the executive branch right now still

[00:05:49] related to COVID in California? Aren't we

[00:05:53] discussing this the other day?

[00:05:54] I'm not sure still now. But what I, we were looking

[00:05:58] at Transparent California, which a few weeks ago, we did

[00:06:01] an episode with Todd Madison on that. So please check out

[00:06:04] that episode. I forget what number it is, 252. It's

[00:06:07] recent. He tracks the government salaries and I

[00:06:12] typed in just the word COVID just to see. And I

[00:06:15] believe it was 391 as people as of 2022 that they

[00:06:20] were still, you know, this title with COVID

[00:06:23] administrative, this title COVID whatever. And I

[00:06:27] could pull up the number now, the numbers now, I

[00:06:29] won't. But I forget how much the salary total

[00:06:33] was just for 2022 for those 391 employees that

[00:06:38] were brought on or additional salaries, whatever

[00:06:41] just for COVID.

[00:06:44] Just looking it up right now. Wow. Okay. And

[00:06:49] you said to 2022?

[00:06:52] Yeah, that just because those are the most

[00:06:53] recent numbers that we have.

[00:06:55] Yeah, yeah, it's over 300 people 363. So

[00:07:00] what are a lot of what in a lot of this also fall

[00:07:04] under like the public health department? Why do we

[00:07:06] need 400 new people just to focus on COVID in

[00:07:10] 2022, by the way, like that's a whole nother

[00:07:14] episode that we might go like down the rabbit

[00:07:17] hole in terms of all these different things.

[00:07:18] We're going down the most wild rabbit holes. I

[00:07:20] wish you guys I wish every day we were like

[00:07:22] not really but the text that we go back and

[00:07:25] forth with with our like, look what I found

[00:07:27] like we have. Yeah, there's a lot. So what kind

[00:07:34] of ends up in the episode is usually what's most

[00:07:38] pertinent but there's so much stuff we do talk

[00:07:40] about. Yeah, I don't think they ever actually

[00:07:42] thought that there was going to be an audit.

[00:07:44] And we're going to watch a video in a little

[00:07:46] bit of the oversight committee that did this

[00:07:49] audit or asked for this audit. And it's

[00:07:54] going to show very succinctly the fact that

[00:07:56] I don't think anybody ever expected that they

[00:07:58] were going to be audited. I don't think

[00:07:59] anybody in this homeless industry, we all know

[00:08:02] homelessness in California, unfortunately and

[00:08:05] sadly, is a booming business. Like there is

[00:08:09] good money to be made. If you are the

[00:08:12] CEO of a nonprofit. We've looked at articles

[00:08:16] that show people who make 500 $400,000 being

[00:08:19] the CEO of these nonprofits. And they're

[00:08:21] most of these are they're getting grants

[00:08:23] from the government or getting money from the

[00:08:24] government. So there's there's a lot of money

[00:08:28] in homelessness and a lot of people are

[00:08:30] making a ton of money off homelessness. And

[00:08:34] I just don't think they ever thought in a

[00:08:36] state that's one party rule where the

[00:08:39] governor is on your side, mostly

[00:08:41] everybody's on your side. You agree with

[00:08:43] the governor, you agree with the party that

[00:08:46] there would ever be someone coming one day

[00:08:47] going, Hey, so where did you spend all

[00:08:50] that money that we sent you like just just

[00:08:53] checking in seeing what's going on with all

[00:08:55] that those billions of dollars we gave you.

[00:08:59] So yeah, this audit came out and suffice it

[00:09:03] to say they don't have a lot of answers.

[00:09:06] Cal Matters did an article and the first

[00:09:08] article will discuss says exactly how much

[00:09:12] is California spending to combat

[00:09:13] homelessness? And is it working? It turns

[00:09:16] out no one knows. That's the result of

[00:09:18] a much anticipated statewide audit released

[00:09:21] Tuesday, which calls into question the

[00:09:23] state's ability to track and analyze its

[00:09:26] spending on homelessness services. The

[00:09:28] state doesn't have current information on

[00:09:31] the ongoing costs and results of its

[00:09:33] homelessness programs because the agency

[00:09:35] tasked with gathering that data, the

[00:09:37] California Interagency Council on

[00:09:39] Homelessness has analyzed no spending

[00:09:43] past 2021.

[00:09:45] Because that's right, there is an agency.

[00:09:48] There's a whole agency.

[00:09:49] The whole agency.

[00:09:51] Oh, we could we will. But we can look at

[00:09:53] their salaries. What if they haven't? Their

[00:09:55] job is to do this and they haven't done

[00:09:57] it for three years.

[00:09:59] Yeah. Three years is a long, long time.

[00:10:02] I want your job. Every every year you

[00:10:05] should be coming out. This is your only

[00:10:07] job is to look into this.

[00:10:09] Especially since we just the state just

[00:10:11] passed Prop 1, which is a whole new, you

[00:10:14] know, billions of dollars for additional

[00:10:16] homeless spending.

[00:10:18] And it's just like.

[00:10:20] We should have known what was going on

[00:10:23] last year and the year before, like we

[00:10:24] needed the most recent data before we

[00:10:27] start passing new like again, this is

[00:10:29] what they do though. They're like, oh,

[00:10:30] OK, you need more money for this. Oh,

[00:10:32] you'd like it's let's throw more money

[00:10:34] and more money. We don't have.

[00:10:36] Let's just throw more money at it,

[00:10:37] even though we have no idea where the

[00:10:38] last 24 billion went. Here's another six

[00:10:40] billion all the while homelessness in

[00:10:43] California is growing every year.

[00:10:46] This is not moving the needle.

[00:10:47] It's not like, oh well, we're fixing it

[00:10:49] and we've come down a long way and

[00:10:51] look at these results and OK, so our

[00:10:53] tax dollars are actually hard at work

[00:10:54] here and we're doing something.

[00:10:56] That's the problem.

[00:10:58] OK, so tinfoil hat time.

[00:11:00] Oh boy, we've been doing that a lot lately.

[00:11:02] Yeah, this is the second episode in a

[00:11:04] row where I put my little tinfoil hat

[00:11:05] on tinfoil hat time.

[00:11:07] So it takes a while for these

[00:11:09] audits to get going.

[00:11:11] Like when we had Josh Hoover on

[00:11:13] and he said, hey, you know, we're

[00:11:15] going to do this audit.

[00:11:15] It's going to take a while.

[00:11:16] It's going to.

[00:11:18] I think you looked up like 5,000

[00:11:19] man hours to do this.

[00:11:21] They wanted to pass Prop 1.

[00:11:24] And they got Prop 1 on the

[00:11:26] earlier primary ballot, which we

[00:11:28] had known like, hey, it's because

[00:11:30] there's lower turnout.

[00:11:31] Most people don't really show

[00:11:32] up for the primaries.

[00:11:34] Do you think that there was also

[00:11:36] an urgency to get it on the

[00:11:38] primary ballot knowing this audit

[00:11:40] was going to come out and they

[00:11:42] all knew, oh crap.

[00:11:44] We haven't looked at any spending

[00:11:47] in three years.

[00:11:48] We have no answers.

[00:11:49] So imagine if Prop 1 was

[00:11:51] still on the ballot right now

[00:11:52] for November and this audit

[00:11:54] came out, what would you think

[00:11:56] the percentage of yes and no

[00:11:58] would be when it comes up

[00:12:00] for a vote in November?

[00:12:01] If that was the scenario.

[00:12:04] You know, I don't know how much

[00:12:05] that would change because I do

[00:12:06] feel like voters, most voters

[00:12:08] don't pay attention and I'm not

[00:12:10] like attacking anyone or shaving

[00:12:11] anyone by saying that I just

[00:12:12] think most most don't.

[00:12:15] They don't pay attention.

[00:12:16] They just get out and vote already.

[00:12:19] But but I think there's

[00:12:21] enough people that do pay

[00:12:23] attention that possibly could

[00:12:24] have swayed it by a bit.

[00:12:25] I mean, because we know this

[00:12:26] one was so close, wasn't it

[00:12:27] like 40?

[00:12:29] It was so it was so

[00:12:31] close that it was like 51 49.

[00:12:33] It was very, very close.

[00:12:34] So it actually could have swayed

[00:12:36] it the opposite way if

[00:12:38] people started raising questions

[00:12:40] and then like, well, hold up.

[00:12:41] We already know that this, you

[00:12:43] know, just came out in January

[00:12:44] that you guys lost all this money

[00:12:46] and there's not like the audit

[00:12:48] has discovered that you have no

[00:12:49] idea where it went.

[00:12:50] So how how can I trust

[00:12:52] that this new six billion

[00:12:54] dollar was a six billion dollar

[00:12:56] prop is going to do anything

[00:12:57] like I'm sure enough people

[00:12:58] will start raising questions

[00:12:59] and hopefully would have gotten

[00:13:00] out to vote.

[00:13:02] I don't know for sure, but I

[00:13:03] could see with numbers

[00:13:05] that close, it could have been

[00:13:06] swayed.

[00:13:08] I I think it would probably

[00:13:10] would have been 6040.

[00:13:11] No, I think this

[00:13:13] this big old, you know,

[00:13:16] big old matzah ball

[00:13:18] hanging out there

[00:13:19] would have just been run

[00:13:20] continually of like it was

[00:13:22] this close when the opposition

[00:13:25] spent a thousand dollars like

[00:13:27] there was no opposition.

[00:13:28] You're right.

[00:13:29] Like so if they had a whole

[00:13:31] election season all the way up

[00:13:33] until November and then this

[00:13:34] came out on top of it, they

[00:13:36] would just be running ads over

[00:13:37] and over again.

[00:13:37] Like the state lost 24

[00:13:39] billion dollars and has no idea

[00:13:40] where it wants, where it went.

[00:13:42] And now they want you to give

[00:13:43] them more money.

[00:13:44] I mean, they would just run that

[00:13:45] ad continually, and

[00:13:47] I think it probably would have.

[00:13:49] Killed prop one a lot

[00:13:50] more soundly, but instead

[00:13:52] here we are prop one past

[00:13:54] we gave him six billion

[00:13:55] dollars on top of 24

[00:13:57] billion where we have no idea

[00:13:58] where it went so

[00:14:00] so random off topic question

[00:14:02] that just yes or no answer.

[00:14:03] You don't have to give a long

[00:14:04] answer, but we discussed

[00:14:06] before that the this new

[00:14:08] recall new sim is probably a waste

[00:14:10] of time and resources.

[00:14:11] Have you changed your mind on that?

[00:14:14] Um, they should.

[00:14:17] I mean, the stuff is.

[00:14:19] This stuff is definitely

[00:14:20] mounting in favor of like

[00:14:22] he has not.

[00:14:24] His presidential ambitions

[00:14:26] I think are pretty much dead

[00:14:28] if not on serious life support

[00:14:30] at this point.

[00:14:31] This might be the final

[00:14:33] nail in the coffin.

[00:14:34] That 24 billion dollars was

[00:14:36] effectively just spent

[00:14:38] and we have no idea where it went

[00:14:39] and not to go back a year

[00:14:42] because he was pushing

[00:14:43] for this amount of money.

[00:14:44] Like he's been pushing

[00:14:45] for them to spend around

[00:14:47] 20 billion dollars

[00:14:48] to address homelessness.

[00:14:50] So he's been at the root

[00:14:52] cause of all of this.

[00:14:53] Like it's not like he didn't know

[00:14:55] like, oh, the legislature

[00:14:56] got away from me

[00:14:57] and I don't know what happened.

[00:14:59] Like he was pushing this.

[00:15:01] Yeah, this big thing

[00:15:02] is since he was mayor

[00:15:04] of San Francisco was

[00:15:05] I'm going to solve.

[00:15:06] I'm going to solve it like in here.

[00:15:08] What was that 2004?

[00:15:10] I forget, sorry.

[00:15:11] Ten years later,

[00:15:12] it's like what has he done?

[00:15:14] Yeah, I think.

[00:15:16] I would say, OK,

[00:15:17] so we got the state

[00:15:18] has a 73 billion dollar deficit.

[00:15:21] His new budget still comes up

[00:15:23] short by 27 billion dollars.

[00:15:26] You have this 24 billion dollars

[00:15:29] that has gone missing.

[00:15:31] I would say it's close.

[00:15:33] Like I feel like something else

[00:15:34] has to come out.

[00:15:35] That is just so shocking and damning

[00:15:37] that like it deserves like,

[00:15:39] OK, this is for Pugnant.

[00:15:40] Like you have to get recalled.

[00:15:41] Like you have no idea

[00:15:42] what you're doing.

[00:15:44] It's close, though.

[00:15:46] Do I think he deserves it?

[00:15:47] Sure.

[00:15:48] I mean, I think he does hasn't

[00:15:50] he's proved he hasn't done a great job.

[00:15:52] So.

[00:15:54] We're two months past

[00:15:55] the State of the Union.

[00:15:57] Address.

[00:15:59] Yeah, he still doesn't

[00:16:00] still won't give

[00:16:01] the state of the state

[00:16:02] still won't answer

[00:16:03] when he's going to do that,

[00:16:04] probably because he's

[00:16:05] trying to figure out

[00:16:06] how the heck do I spin

[00:16:07] all this horrible stuff?

[00:16:10] So, yeah.

[00:16:13] Sorry.

[00:16:14] Back to the article.

[00:16:17] So they said they haven't analyzed

[00:16:18] any spending past 2021,

[00:16:20] according to the report

[00:16:20] by the state auditor, Grant Parks.

[00:16:23] Three of the five state programs

[00:16:24] the audit analyzed,

[00:16:25] including the state's

[00:16:26] main homelessness funding source,

[00:16:28] didn't even produce enough data

[00:16:30] for parks to determine

[00:16:31] whether they were effective or not.

[00:16:34] The audit also analyzed

[00:16:35] homelessness services

[00:16:36] in San Jose and San Diego,

[00:16:38] finding both cities failed

[00:16:39] to thoroughly account

[00:16:41] for their spending

[00:16:41] or measure the success

[00:16:43] of many of their programs.

[00:16:45] Quote,

[00:16:46] The lack of transparency

[00:16:47] in our current approach

[00:16:48] to homelessness

[00:16:49] is pretty frightening,

[00:16:50] said Assemblymember Josh Hoover,

[00:16:52] a Republican from Folsom,

[00:16:53] who coauthored

[00:16:54] the request for the audit.

[00:16:56] Quote,

[00:16:56] The state auditors' findings

[00:16:58] highlight the significant progress

[00:16:59] made in recent years

[00:17:00] to address homelessness

[00:17:01] at the state level,

[00:17:03] including the completion

[00:17:03] of a statewide assessment

[00:17:04] of homeless programs.

[00:17:06] The Interagency Council

[00:17:09] on Homelessness wrote

[00:17:10] in an email statement,

[00:17:12] but it also underscores

[00:17:13] the need to continue

[00:17:13] to hold local governments

[00:17:15] accountable who are primarily

[00:17:16] responsible for implementing

[00:17:17] these programs

[00:17:18] and collecting data on outcomes

[00:17:20] that the state can use

[00:17:20] to evaluate program effectiveness.

[00:17:24] Let's see going on.

[00:17:27] Is there anything else?

[00:17:28] And there's a whole bunch of this.

[00:17:30] This is this has become the

[00:17:33] the common refrain

[00:17:34] that you hear from like Newsom

[00:17:36] all the way down to everybody else

[00:17:37] who's working on this

[00:17:38] is that this is all

[00:17:39] the local government's fault.

[00:17:40] Like they

[00:17:42] like it's not Newsom's fault.

[00:17:43] It's not the state level's fault.

[00:17:45] It's like it's the it's

[00:17:46] the local government's fault

[00:17:48] of like why we don't know

[00:17:50] where the money is going.

[00:17:52] She had one.

[00:17:52] You want to push that narrative?

[00:17:56] Yeah, well, they want to

[00:17:56] wipe their hands clean and say,

[00:17:57] well, we gave them

[00:17:58] you know, 24 billion dollars

[00:17:59] and they haven't told us

[00:18:01] where the money went.

[00:18:02] Right. But if they keep pushing that

[00:18:04] and they get in people's heads

[00:18:05] that local governments

[00:18:06] doing a bad job in Sacramento

[00:18:07] should be the ones in control.

[00:18:09] Then slowly but surely

[00:18:10] local government people

[00:18:12] are going to be like,

[00:18:12] oh, well, they misuse funds.

[00:18:14] We need Sacramento

[00:18:15] to come in and help us.

[00:18:16] And let's do away

[00:18:17] with local government.

[00:18:18] Mm hmm.

[00:18:20] There's something else I want to.

[00:18:26] Anyway, I can't find out

[00:18:27] we got a lot of stuff to get to,

[00:18:28] but there's this video.

[00:18:30] Ashley's of all that did

[00:18:31] a good breakdown of this.

[00:18:34] So we're going to take

[00:18:35] a watch of this video.

[00:18:36] And then there's another video

[00:18:37] with Bill Salie after that,

[00:18:39] which was from a year ago.

[00:18:41] So a year ago they were well,

[00:18:43] well, we'll watch it.

[00:18:45] So frustration over

[00:18:50] homelessness spending tensions

[00:18:53] flared today at the state capital.

[00:18:55] Yeah, a group of state lawmakers

[00:18:56] put Governor Gavin Newsom's

[00:18:57] administration under the microscope

[00:18:59] for its handling

[00:19:00] of the state's homelessness crisis.

[00:19:02] KCRA three

[00:19:03] capital correspondent

[00:19:04] Ashley Zavala joining us now

[00:19:05] with more from that hearing.

[00:19:06] Yeah, I mean, I think

[00:19:07] the public's patience has worn thin,

[00:19:09] but also lawmakers

[00:19:10] made it very public

[00:19:11] that their patience is also wearing

[00:19:13] down with the administration.

[00:19:14] Now, the homelessness and housing arm

[00:19:16] of Governor Newsom's administration

[00:19:17] was in the hot seat

[00:19:18] this afternoon in the assembly.

[00:19:20] Lawmakers from both sides

[00:19:21] of the aisle expressed

[00:19:22] not just frustration,

[00:19:23] but exhaustion with the lack

[00:19:25] of information from the administration

[00:19:27] on the results

[00:19:28] of its homelessness spending.

[00:19:29] The assembly budget

[00:19:30] subcommittee on oversight

[00:19:31] and accountability held this hearing

[00:19:33] on the state's homelessness efforts.

[00:19:35] The bulk of the hearing

[00:19:36] centered around the state's

[00:19:37] homelessness, housing

[00:19:38] and assistance program

[00:19:40] grant funding, also known as HAP grants,

[00:19:42] which is the money

[00:19:43] the state sends to cities

[00:19:44] and counties to help

[00:19:44] with their homelessness response.

[00:19:46] Now this hearing comes less than a month

[00:19:48] after a state audit

[00:19:49] found Newsom's administration

[00:19:50] over the last five years

[00:19:52] spent more than 20 billion dollars

[00:19:54] on homelessness,

[00:19:55] but did not track

[00:19:56] the effectiveness of that money.

[00:19:58] Now, the number of unhoused people

[00:20:00] statewide has increased

[00:20:01] 53% since 2013.

[00:20:04] Now, in today's hearing,

[00:20:05] Newsom's administration officials

[00:20:06] could not provide key data

[00:20:10] to show the HAP grant program is working.

[00:20:13] San Francisco Assemblyman Phil Ting

[00:20:14] absolutely grilled them.

[00:20:17] Do we have anything from 2022?

[00:20:20] We're again, apologies.

[00:20:22] Why is it taking so long?

[00:20:22] I mean, you're the one

[00:20:23] that said you're urgent.

[00:20:24] I don't know.

[00:20:25] Maybe my sense of urgency

[00:20:26] is different from your sense of urgency.

[00:20:29] We're working expeditiously.

[00:20:30] What does that mean, though?

[00:20:32] We're very short order.

[00:20:33] We'll have the short order.

[00:20:34] Me, we're working in the next several weeks

[00:20:37] to have a half annual report produced.

[00:20:39] So why?

[00:20:39] I mean, you're you're

[00:20:41] you're coming to hearing today

[00:20:43] and you have you can't tell us

[00:20:45] how many you know,

[00:20:46] we spend billions of dollars

[00:20:47] and you can't tell us at all.

[00:20:51] How many people we've helped.

[00:20:55] Apologies, I don't have

[00:20:56] the information in front of me to share

[00:20:59] you have it in your office.

[00:21:01] Again, there were

[00:21:02] we're working through data quality issues

[00:21:04] in order to finalize a report.

[00:21:07] Now, the.

[00:21:08] So that right there, when I watched that,

[00:21:10] that's where I realized.

[00:21:14] I yeah, I don't think

[00:21:15] they ever expected an audit.

[00:21:17] I don't think they ever expected

[00:21:18] the legislature to actually ask

[00:21:21] where the heck all the money went,

[00:21:22] because they they showed up

[00:21:24] to a hearing that they knew

[00:21:25] they had to report on.

[00:21:27] It was an oversight hearing

[00:21:29] about where did you spend all the money?

[00:21:31] And they literally just showed up

[00:21:33] empty handed and go.

[00:21:35] Yep, we have no idea.

[00:21:39] So cool.

[00:21:40] Hope you guys have a good day.

[00:21:42] But like Phil Tang,

[00:21:44] for those who don't know,

[00:21:45] he's an assembly member

[00:21:47] Democrat, obviously from

[00:21:49] get this from San Francisco.

[00:21:51] So from San Francisco,

[00:21:52] he was that harsh on Gavin Newsom's

[00:21:56] own interagency council,

[00:21:58] whatever the heck they call ICH.

[00:22:01] Members so.

[00:22:03] What do you think

[00:22:05] of that girl's response?

[00:22:09] If I if I had the authority,

[00:22:11] like if I were there

[00:22:11] and had the authority.

[00:22:13] Fired on the spot.

[00:22:15] That entire agency

[00:22:16] should be fired on the spot.

[00:22:17] You've owned a small business before

[00:22:19] and your family has had small

[00:22:21] businesses that you worked at.

[00:22:22] If you had an employee

[00:22:23] who is entrusted with like.

[00:22:26] Like I think you guys had a cafe, yes.

[00:22:29] Sorry, I have a point.

[00:22:31] And so if you had someone who,

[00:22:33] you know, like worked

[00:22:34] in the industry or something

[00:22:35] and you're like, OK,

[00:22:35] well, you know, this is our budget

[00:22:37] for our kitchen, please.

[00:22:39] You know, get us

[00:22:40] the proper appliances.

[00:22:41] And then they showed up

[00:22:43] and the money was gone

[00:22:44] and they were like,

[00:22:45] I don't know where

[00:22:46] I don't know where it is.

[00:22:47] I don't know where the equipment is.

[00:22:48] It may be in a few weeks.

[00:22:50] You'll have it.

[00:22:51] That person would be

[00:22:52] you would be looking into them.

[00:22:53] You would be like,

[00:22:54] oh my God, did you just run with my money?

[00:22:56] You would fire them.

[00:22:57] You would not trust them.

[00:22:58] You would be like, OK,

[00:22:58] you just screwed us over

[00:23:00] and they would be gone.

[00:23:01] And like the fact that

[00:23:02] we put up with this,

[00:23:04] we the government,

[00:23:05] the state, whatever,

[00:23:06] like we put up with this again.

[00:23:08] These are people who are

[00:23:09] tax dollars

[00:23:10] are paying their salaries.

[00:23:11] And this is they show up

[00:23:13] and go, I don't know.

[00:23:13] I don't know.

[00:23:14] Better luck next year.

[00:23:15] I don't look like the

[00:23:17] I don't like the attitude.

[00:23:19] I don't like the lack of work.

[00:23:20] I don't like the

[00:23:21] the lack of integrity.

[00:23:23] And I don't like that.

[00:23:25] We're paying for this.

[00:23:26] This is sorry.

[00:23:27] I'm all upset now.

[00:23:29] I funny,

[00:23:31] funny side story.

[00:23:32] We actually did have

[00:23:34] an issue like that

[00:23:34] where we had some guy

[00:23:35] who had to come in and install

[00:23:38] industrial hood

[00:23:39] for all of our kitchen equipment.

[00:23:41] That's part of the health code.

[00:23:44] We paid him all this money

[00:23:45] to like install this hood.

[00:23:47] And then he disappeared

[00:23:48] and he kept giving my dad

[00:23:50] all these texts and runarounds about like

[00:23:52] why haven't you done the hood yet?

[00:23:53] You said it'd be done in a month

[00:23:55] and it took him five months

[00:23:58] to get it done until finally

[00:23:59] my dad got ahold of him

[00:24:00] and read him the riot act.

[00:24:01] And then he showed up

[00:24:02] with a whole bunch of guys

[00:24:03] and got it done.

[00:24:04] I did that story prior to.

[00:24:07] Yeah.

[00:24:07] For an episode, I swear I didn't.

[00:24:09] I wasn't trying to be like, hey.

[00:24:10] But I mean, I just

[00:24:13] I'm thinking like the frustration

[00:24:15] that my father had.

[00:24:16] I mean, we all had it

[00:24:17] because we're like,

[00:24:17] where the heck is this guy?

[00:24:18] We gave him all this money.

[00:24:19] He was supposed to get this done.

[00:24:22] That imagine that on a scale

[00:24:24] times 100000.

[00:24:27] Billions of dollars.

[00:24:29] And this girl just shows up

[00:24:30] to a hearing that she knows

[00:24:32] I should have something

[00:24:34] I should at least have done

[00:24:36] at least to show good faith of like

[00:24:38] we got some data.

[00:24:39] We know where some of it's going.

[00:24:41] The fact that you show up

[00:24:42] and you're just like,

[00:24:43] um, I don't know.

[00:24:45] I don't have that in front of me

[00:24:48] like show up and be like, OK,

[00:24:49] I'm sorry that I don't have

[00:24:51] the full report here

[00:24:51] in front of me today.

[00:24:52] But by this date,

[00:24:55] I'm supposed to have

[00:24:56] the majority of the data.

[00:24:58] And do you want to know

[00:25:00] what I have so far?

[00:25:01] Here's what I like.

[00:25:02] I can report on this agency

[00:25:04] or this group or whatever.

[00:25:05] Here's the numbers.

[00:25:07] There's nothing I don't have it.

[00:25:08] I don't have it.

[00:25:09] I'm here and like.

[00:25:11] Another like it's so frustrating

[00:25:12] because I keep saying

[00:25:13] taxpayer dollars, like

[00:25:14] this isn't their money.

[00:25:16] This isn't like they earned money

[00:25:18] and now this is

[00:25:18] their personal problem.

[00:25:20] This is our money.

[00:25:21] This is our money.

[00:25:23] Yeah,

[00:25:24] she just doesn't really seem to care.

[00:25:26] And to your point about, you know,

[00:25:27] if this was in the private sector,

[00:25:29] if your boss said, OK,

[00:25:31] in a couple of weeks,

[00:25:31] I need you to come in

[00:25:32] and report to me about

[00:25:34] what's going on in your department.

[00:25:36] X, Y, Z.

[00:25:36] Imagine if you just showed up

[00:25:37] to that meeting

[00:25:38] and looked at your boss

[00:25:39] in the eye and was like

[00:25:41] I got nothing.

[00:25:42] And boss is like,

[00:25:43] I asked you to get this done

[00:25:44] two weeks ago

[00:25:45] and you're telling me nothing.

[00:25:47] Do you have it in your office?

[00:25:49] No, three years,

[00:25:51] three years of data.

[00:25:52] It's not like I don't have

[00:25:54] the next the last three months

[00:25:56] because we're waiting on this or this.

[00:25:58] It's like,

[00:25:58] oh, I have no idea what happened in 2022

[00:26:00] and 2023 in the first quarter of this year.

[00:26:03] Don't know.

[00:26:04] Don't know.

[00:26:04] No clue.

[00:26:05] Yeah.

[00:26:06] What are you doing?

[00:26:07] What are you doing all day?

[00:26:08] This is your job.

[00:26:10] Yeah, we were literally the

[00:26:13] you are literally

[00:26:14] that's your only the the ICH,

[00:26:16] the Interagency Council on Homelessness.

[00:26:19] Like you are supposed to be

[00:26:20] the council that knows

[00:26:21] everything about homelessness.

[00:26:23] And you're like you have one job, Karen.

[00:26:26] You had one job, Karen, and you

[00:26:29] you screwed the pooch on this one.

[00:26:32] That that clip right there

[00:26:34] should just be going viral

[00:26:35] and just be upsetting all Californians

[00:26:37] of that girl just going,

[00:26:38] I have no idea.

[00:26:40] It's I don't know.

[00:26:41] It's it's not.

[00:26:43] It's not at my desk.

[00:26:44] It's not.

[00:26:44] I don't know where it is.

[00:26:46] Like that should infuriate

[00:26:48] so many Californians

[00:26:50] that like an enron situation.

[00:26:51] They were like deleting all the emails

[00:26:53] and shredding the files from over that.

[00:26:55] Do you remember Enron?

[00:26:55] Yes.

[00:26:56] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:26:57] That's that's a that's a throwback

[00:26:59] way back in the day.

[00:27:00] They were trying to get

[00:27:00] rid of all the evidence.

[00:27:04] Wasn't who was involved in Enron?

[00:27:05] That someone in the Bush administration.

[00:27:07] But anyway,

[00:27:08] that's not the point of today's show

[00:27:09] is to talk about the Bush administration

[00:27:11] and run today's to talk about

[00:27:12] how California is pissing away

[00:27:14] billions of dollars of your tax dollars.

[00:27:16] So all right, let's finish the video.

[00:27:19] The Newsom administration

[00:27:20] also faced criticism

[00:27:21] for slowly rolling out this grant money

[00:27:23] that's already been earmarked

[00:27:25] and with this process

[00:27:25] taking about a year

[00:27:27] before the cities and counties

[00:27:28] can actually see this money.

[00:27:30] But the administration says

[00:27:31] it's trying to make sure

[00:27:32] cities and counties are doing what they're

[00:27:34] ex makes no difference.

[00:27:42] What are at this point?

[00:27:44] Well, you don't know

[00:27:44] you don't know.

[00:27:45] And you got to feel for that woman

[00:27:46] trying to answer those questions.

[00:27:47] Right.

[00:27:47] Also flabbergast.

[00:27:49] I don't feel for that woman at all.

[00:27:51] I don't feel for that woman at all.

[00:27:53] I don't.

[00:27:54] She had a job.

[00:27:55] She knows what she's supposed to do.

[00:27:56] She's a grown adult.

[00:27:58] She got called in front of the legislature

[00:28:01] to answer questions.

[00:28:02] She was not prepared.

[00:28:04] I don't feel for her at all.

[00:28:06] Do we have her name?

[00:28:09] I don't know.

[00:28:09] We didn't catch her name.

[00:28:12] She has brown hair.

[00:28:14] She's probably on the

[00:28:16] call for her to be fired.

[00:28:18] Yeah, seriously.

[00:28:19] Or she's on the website.

[00:28:21] If you go look like.

[00:28:24] But yeah, we're going to look at

[00:28:28] one of the staff members later

[00:28:29] of the ICH.

[00:28:31] I'm just asking that they would

[00:28:33] come to that meeting with nothing.

[00:28:34] Yeah, and we're talking about

[00:28:35] years worth of data like this data.

[00:28:37] This program has been in place

[00:28:38] since basically 2019 and they're

[00:28:40] just trying to understand even

[00:28:41] the first subset of whether

[00:28:43] or not this has worked.

[00:28:44] Right there should be a book

[00:28:45] this big on data at this point.

[00:28:47] OK, what are the next steps?

[00:28:48] Yeah, so this was just an oversight hearing.

[00:28:51] Yeah.

[00:28:51] Yeah. Remember when jobs used to have

[00:28:54] like a three month trial period of

[00:28:56] like prove yourself and probationary period?

[00:29:02] Yeah, like that's just not a thing.

[00:29:05] Like like she I mean,

[00:29:07] I actually haven't watched this video before,

[00:29:09] but she said what I kind of brought up of like

[00:29:12] no doubt in the last few years

[00:29:13] they've had this in place since 2019.

[00:29:16] What did they?

[00:29:19] I'm sorry, I'm just what were they doing?

[00:29:21] All day long.

[00:29:22] If it doesn't say who actually testified.

[00:29:25] Because now I'm curious and now

[00:29:27] I want to look up how much we're paying her

[00:29:28] to not do her job.

[00:29:31] Hold on, let's see.

[00:29:33] Now I I would have grace if this was

[00:29:36] a new agency that they were like, OK, we've.

[00:29:39] We've got to get some accountability here,

[00:29:41] so let's get this new agency together

[00:29:43] and start getting some numbers.

[00:29:45] And they're like, we're still figuring this all out.

[00:29:47] We haven't come up with a complete answer.

[00:29:49] Or, you know, this is five years old.

[00:29:53] This is the agency that's been in existence since 2019

[00:29:57] and they should be able to have some streamlined,

[00:30:00] you know, protocols in place to really like it shouldn't be a

[00:30:04] I have no idea where that data is.

[00:30:06] They should be having like here's this month's

[00:30:08] here's this quarter's here's this year like no.

[00:30:12] I'm going to go ahead and be like, look,

[00:30:14] put me in place here, pay me 500K a year,

[00:30:17] eliminate all these employees and all have answers for you next month.

[00:30:20] I'm not even kidding.

[00:30:21] Like this is not yes, it's probably a lot of work,

[00:30:24] but it's just work.

[00:30:25] If you're if you're working, you can figure this stuff out.

[00:30:28] You're not working. No, you're not going to have answers.

[00:30:32] I'm trying to say, I'm trying to say,

[00:30:33] I'm not even kidding.

[00:30:34] I will come in and I will fix this for you,

[00:30:36] but you'll pay me for it.

[00:30:40] I'm sorry. Go. What do you have?

[00:30:44] I'm trying.

[00:30:45] It's hard to tell because you're looking at the back of their head

[00:30:48] to see like if you can figure out who it is. Oh,

[00:30:52] but I mean, most of the you know, let's say I'm trying

[00:30:56] and I don't think there's even any data on any of these people yet

[00:30:59] of how much they're actually making.

[00:31:00] Like I looked up Megan Marshall,

[00:31:03] who is the executive officer of this group.

[00:31:06] And again, as Todd Madison said, 20, 23 hasn't come out yet.

[00:31:10] So Transparent California has an update yet.

[00:31:13] The last her last job was to know how bad this agency is,

[00:31:16] and maybe they're constantly firing and rehiring.

[00:31:19] And so no one sticks around long enough for them to

[00:31:22] maybe her last job in 2022 was deputy director of Health

[00:31:26] and Human Services, and she made one hundred and thirty one thousand dollars.

[00:31:29] That's the executive director.

[00:31:31] I'm sure she got a raise since then.

[00:31:34] So who was the spokesperson? I'm not sure.

[00:31:41] But anyway, anyway, finishing up the video,

[00:31:44] I think there's a couple of seconds left hearing.

[00:31:46] No action was taken, no vote on anything.

[00:31:49] But lawmakers are going to take the information it got or didn't get

[00:31:53] from this hearing and use it as the budget negotiations ramp up

[00:31:57] this month with Governor Gavin Newsom.

[00:31:58] He is expected to present his updated state spending plan

[00:32:01] at some point within the next couple of weeks.

[00:32:03] We know homelessness and housing money is a sticking point,

[00:32:06] especially this year, as the state faces a significant budget deficit,

[00:32:10] which we have been reporting a lot on.

[00:32:12] And how do you ask for more money or the same money

[00:32:14] when you can't say what happened to the old money?

[00:32:15] And that's that's what what lawmakers I think are struggling with right now.

[00:32:19] They want to see data they want to see.

[00:32:21] They want this administration to make the case that they should continue

[00:32:24] spending this money. But how do you social time?

[00:32:28] So that's the biggest question probably going into those negotiations.

[00:32:31] All right. Great reporting. Thanks.

[00:32:34] Well, I mean, you can ask for more money by sneaking in on the ballot

[00:32:38] in a primary where people won't know it's even happening.

[00:32:40] That's one way you could do it, as opposed to letting people know

[00:32:43] that this prop is actually happening.

[00:32:44] So that's that's one way you can do it.

[00:32:49] You know, deceptive propositions. So.

[00:32:53] But I think it's

[00:32:55] I don't know, like we're already spending six billion dollars

[00:32:58] for Prop 1 on more homeless spending.

[00:33:01] I don't know how you stop

[00:33:04] the government from spending more on homelessness at this point.

[00:33:07] You sent me an article, which we're going to go over in a little bit

[00:33:09] about how Newsom actually wants to start cutting more of the homeless spending

[00:33:13] or cut back on the homeless spending.

[00:33:17] It's a mess.

[00:33:19] Oh, you're muted.

[00:33:24] So I just talk with my hands.

[00:33:26] No, I was just talking to me.

[00:33:27] Yeah, because, you know, we just had in March on the ballot

[00:33:31] more spending and now today or yesterday, whatever,

[00:33:34] he's coming out with less spending anyway.

[00:33:36] Yeah, we'll get to that.

[00:33:38] So this is the video.

[00:33:40] This is from one year ago, Bill Salie.

[00:33:44] And this was an informational hearing.

[00:33:47] So I want to watch this one as well.

[00:33:50] So this is the arrogance of a lot of these people who, again,

[00:33:53] this was a year ago and I don't really think they expected

[00:33:56] the hammer to fall on them.

[00:33:58] And this is the arrogance of people who work in this area of the government.

[00:34:04] You could see since 2014, the homeless

[00:34:08] rate has increased when going from around 100000.

[00:34:12] Now we're up to 170000, mostly in the unsheltered population.

[00:34:16] So would we agree that what we've been doing so far is not working?

[00:34:23] Mr. Olmstead.

[00:34:25] I mean, I wouldn't agree because as was mentioned,

[00:34:27] we've only had a couple of years of investments.

[00:34:29] We're not seeing the payoff.

[00:34:30] The units I said that our department's funding, for example,

[00:34:32] are in construction right now.

[00:34:34] Development takes a couple of years, even if we deploy those funds very quickly.

[00:34:37] So I can speak for our department.

[00:34:39] You know, we haven't been given the chance to see the impact yet.

[00:34:42] Four or five years, not enough.

[00:34:44] So what are we doing now to get these people off the streets?

[00:34:49] Mr. Olmstead, you work for the governor, correct?

[00:34:52] I'm appointed by the governor.

[00:34:53] You're appointed by the governor.

[00:34:54] Is the governor thought about declaring an emergency or setting up emergency

[00:34:58] shelters? What are we doing to get people off the street?

[00:35:02] Unfortunately, I'm appointed by him.

[00:35:03] I'm not on a speaking term basis with him.

[00:35:06] Not that high up in his office.

[00:35:09] But you agree it's a crisis.

[00:35:12] I mean, you've been around L.A., Los Angeles.

[00:35:14] My department is an implementer of funds.

[00:35:16] We're not we're not in the business of doing emergency declarations in that way.

[00:35:20] We implement the funds, the legislature and the governor agreed to fund.

[00:35:23] And we live around those.

[00:35:25] You come on. You cannot.

[00:35:26] You're just focused on money.

[00:35:27] You're not concerned about policy.

[00:35:29] No, we implement laws to including all the housing laws

[00:35:32] that have passed the last couple of years.

[00:35:33] What baffles me is this.

[00:35:35] Yeah.

[00:35:36] Did we bring President Xi Jinping back and have him do a state tour?

[00:35:40] Maybe that'll get some emergency.

[00:35:42] Yeah, clean up the place.

[00:35:44] Yeah. And we should just have him do a statewide tour like he'll start in San

[00:35:47] Francisco. He'll go to L.A., San Diego, maybe swing by Anaheim

[00:35:53] just for, you know, just for Santa Ana.

[00:35:56] Yeah.

[00:35:58] You know, just have them swing by all the cities.

[00:36:01] Sacramento, you know, I know he's powerful.

[00:36:05] I don't know if he can help Stockton, but sure.

[00:36:07] Swing by there as well.

[00:36:09] Fresno.

[00:36:10] So, yeah, that may be that seems to be the only thing in the past couple

[00:36:15] of years we know for certain definitely solves homelessness.

[00:36:17] Literally was the best solution we have had in a decade.

[00:36:22] Yeah, that's that was clearly the best.

[00:36:24] Just bring a Chinese dictator over and it was like it's like two.

[00:36:29] It's like a two day thing.

[00:36:29] I'm sorry. I have a cat meowing like they literally got it done.

[00:36:33] I'm upset about homelessness.

[00:36:35] Yes.

[00:36:37] It's probably a cat outside, to be honest.

[00:36:38] It's probably not my cat.

[00:36:39] OK.

[00:36:40] Oh, OK.

[00:36:42] This is it sounds like an academic conversation.

[00:36:45] Meanwhile, there are people suffering outside and we're just talking

[00:36:49] academically about in the future five, ten years from now, we might have a

[00:36:53] handle on this. And I just I don't I see no evidence to support that.

[00:36:57] I think the focus should be shelter first.

[00:37:00] Housing earned. We have to get people off the streets.

[00:37:03] I do not think it's acceptable in a civilized society to allow the number

[00:37:07] of people that we have living on the streets are.

[00:37:11] I just it baffles my mind.

[00:37:14] So I want to go back to something you said.

[00:37:17] When you were asked about the measure of success, you said it's

[00:37:21] you measure the number of units built or made available.

[00:37:24] Is that correct?

[00:37:25] That's one that's one measure that's often talked about.

[00:37:27] Yes. Is that your primary measure?

[00:37:30] I think it's the measure that most not just our department,

[00:37:33] but most of the industry and the world uses.

[00:37:35] I don't think it's the most important measure around return on investment

[00:37:38] and impact. It's how many people are we housing within those units

[00:37:41] and for how long and how much of a turn in investment we're getting?

[00:37:45] Well, we're not the government's not into the house building business.

[00:37:49] We're not home builders, right?

[00:37:50] I think the focus should be on how many people we get off the street.

[00:37:54] Correct.

[00:37:55] I just want to point out if you're just listening on audio

[00:37:58] and you're not watching the video of this, this witness.

[00:38:02] Again, this the arrogance of these

[00:38:06] bureaucratic imbeciles should make your skin crawl

[00:38:10] because he's looking around now.

[00:38:13] Bill Bill Salis asking really poignant good questions like

[00:38:17] what's your objective?

[00:38:18] You shouldn't be in the housing market.

[00:38:20] We should be focused on getting homeless people off the street.

[00:38:23] And this guy, if you're watching the video, is looking around.

[00:38:26] He's not paying attention.

[00:38:28] He's looking at the other Democrats on the thing.

[00:38:29] He's he's looking around like, do I really have to sit here

[00:38:32] and answer any of this stuff?

[00:38:33] Like, are you kidding me?

[00:38:34] Like it.

[00:38:35] He has this kind of arrogance to him of like,

[00:38:40] I don't need to answer your your dumb Republican questions like

[00:38:44] and like, you know, he's kind of flipping about answers.

[00:38:48] He just doesn't really seem to care.

[00:38:49] He can't provide answers.

[00:38:51] And this was a year ago.

[00:38:52] So again, I don't think everybody in this sector believe

[00:38:56] the hammer was going to drop on him.

[00:38:59] But I think the hammer has dropped even when you have Democrats

[00:39:01] from San Francisco who are out there absolutely grilling people in these agencies.

[00:39:08] I didn't know if you had any comment on that or or if you're trying to shoo away

[00:39:12] straight cats over there.

[00:39:15] No, I agree with you.

[00:39:16] I have no comment, but it is.

[00:39:20] I like I don't want to get all off topic on this,

[00:39:22] but I don't understand what it is because I think you and I came from a generation of like

[00:39:26] customer service was important.

[00:39:28] And I know this is the customer service, but that's that's how it feels where it's like

[00:39:31] we were raised with like your customer service.

[00:39:34] The customer is always right.

[00:39:36] And and I get that they're trying to get answers here.

[00:39:38] But I feel like this is like this is how kids today act.

[00:39:42] If you will, I don't know how all this guy is,

[00:39:43] but it's just like they have this privileged attitude of like,

[00:39:47] I don't have to answer your questions.

[00:39:49] I don't have to be accountable for anything.

[00:39:51] I don't like is this guy for real?

[00:39:53] Like, you know, looking around the room,

[00:39:54] looking at his friends, coworkers or whatever, being like,

[00:39:56] can you believe he's asking me this?

[00:39:58] Like, what does he think he is?

[00:40:00] And and I don't understand that attitude and that arrogance.

[00:40:04] That's what's so baffling to me about half of this.

[00:40:07] And I think that's half the problem is that they have this attitude

[00:40:11] and they're not then they're not even able to provide the answers

[00:40:14] because they just think, well, why do I need to even have these answers?

[00:40:18] I'm I'm just over here, you know, with my head down

[00:40:21] doing what I want, what I want and texting people and I'm making Tick Tock videos.

[00:40:25] And I'll let you know if I care to talk to you.

[00:40:30] To bring the homeless number down, don't you think that number is more important

[00:40:33] than the number of units that are built or created?

[00:40:37] We're implementing the programs as they're structured in the statutes

[00:40:40] given to us, which are production programs or assisting developers

[00:40:44] to create those programs.

[00:40:45] So we're implementing the programs that have been created by this legislature

[00:40:50] with we're imposing the laws and policies that were given to us.

[00:40:55] But even his attitude, the way he's talking to

[00:40:59] what he's talking to Mr.

[00:41:00] O'Saly, like I feel like that O'Saly here is

[00:41:03] is being very respectful in his questions and being very direct.

[00:41:06] And then this guy is just like acting so condescending in his answers.

[00:41:11] And I know it's not about the attitude.

[00:41:14] I mean, the idea has a lot to do with that, but like

[00:41:18] see, this is this is what we're faced against.

[00:41:20] These people are with their inflated salaries and their

[00:41:24] their jobs that clearly do nothing and then they just act like this.

[00:41:28] And that's where I get so frustrated.

[00:41:32] We want results.

[00:41:34] Yeah. And I mean,

[00:41:36] you could make the the causal argument that

[00:41:39] the reason that a lot of these agencies and a lot of these programs

[00:41:44] focus on housing rather than getting homeless people off the street is because

[00:41:50] well, construction unions make a lot more money off of building

[00:41:53] housing than getting homeless people off the street.

[00:41:55] And construction unions love to donate to California Democrats.

[00:41:58] So that's why I think their marker is how many housing units.

[00:42:04] And we're going to talk about how bad it is and how much money they charge for that

[00:42:08] in just a second. But yeah, this this one,

[00:42:12] I'm glad I found this video because this guy is he's just so arrogant

[00:42:17] and should make people's skin crawl about how bad this is.

[00:42:21] There's about 20 seconds left. Let's just finish up

[00:42:23] with funding appropriated by this legislature.

[00:42:26] And we are pretty proud of the work that we're doing.

[00:42:28] You're proud of the work that you're doing.

[00:42:33] It's an embarrassment, I think.

[00:42:34] But with that, I don't have any more questions.

[00:42:38] The fact that he shrugged his shoulders, he was like,

[00:42:41] um, that's what we're doing.

[00:42:43] OK, so right.

[00:42:46] Like, cool that you're proud of the work you're doing,

[00:42:48] but you didn't have an answer for us today.

[00:42:50] And that's like.

[00:42:51] That's the point of today.

[00:42:53] Yeah, it's not about your little, you know, what do they call it?

[00:42:59] The awards for participation trophies like that's not

[00:43:02] so we're here to discuss that.

[00:43:03] Cool. Real quick, there was this article

[00:43:07] you sent me from PPIC, Public Policy Institute of California, which shows

[00:43:12] the point in time count released in December.

[00:43:16] So it's 20, 23 estimated that more than 180,000 people

[00:43:19] were experiencing homeless in our state, up six percent

[00:43:23] from the previous count.

[00:43:24] So it is increased again.

[00:43:29] So and I don't want to get so far off topic with this either,

[00:43:33] but you live in San Diego where we're seeing daily thousands,

[00:43:37] thousands of migrants crossing the border every single day.

[00:43:41] I know some of them are getting on buses and planes and going elsewhere.

[00:43:46] But do you think that this border crisis is contributing

[00:43:49] a lot to our homelessness crisis in California?

[00:43:56] Yeah, I I can't say why not.

[00:43:59] Um, I know that down here in San Diego, we had Jim Desmond

[00:44:04] and I talked about how we have a literal welcome center

[00:44:07] for migrants who come across the border.

[00:44:11] So I think there's some guidance that I'm not saying every single one of them

[00:44:14] ends up getting on a plane or a bus somewhere.

[00:44:18] But I it could contribute.

[00:44:20] Yeah, it could definitely have an effect of like, well,

[00:44:23] they got here and they're like, now what do I do?

[00:44:25] And I don't speak the language and I don't have ID or money or anything like that.

[00:44:30] So where do I go now?

[00:44:32] So I think it definitely could contribute to it.

[00:44:35] I know when Trump was in office

[00:44:38] and the remain in Mexico policy was still in effect.

[00:44:43] If you drove across the border in San Ysidro,

[00:44:48] you could immediately drive across the border.

[00:44:51] As soon as you're in Mexico, you can look over to your left

[00:44:54] and right there was like a huge

[00:44:57] tent city of migrants who were just camped out.

[00:45:01] So it contributed to the homeless issue in Tijuana,

[00:45:06] and they didn't like that.

[00:45:07] So, yeah, I definitely think it does have a little bit of an impact.

[00:45:13] I don't know how big it does, but

[00:45:16] but according to some people, those migrants are what has spurred

[00:45:19] our tourism numbers.

[00:45:21] I don't know how that works out, but sure.

[00:45:24] If you want to try and make that argument,

[00:45:25] I'd love to hear your rationale about how migrants helped our tourism numbers.

[00:45:31] So if you want to know how much we're spending on these housing,

[00:45:34] because that guy was very proud of the fact that he's building units.

[00:45:39] What's that?

[00:45:40] I said he's proud of the work they've done.

[00:45:42] He's very proud of the work he's done,

[00:45:45] especially down there in the L.A. area,

[00:45:47] which he's part of implementing the legislature and or the laws

[00:45:51] that the legislature put in process.

[00:45:55] Santa Monica city officials last week approved a multimillion dollar

[00:45:59] apartment unit for the homeless just days after the release of an audit,

[00:46:03] which found California could not account for the 24 billion dollars

[00:46:06] that spent on the state's burgeoning hopeless homelessness.

[00:46:10] The 122 unit building for the homeless will include a mix of studio,

[00:46:15] one, two and three bedroom apartments, along with ground floor retail

[00:46:18] and residential and commercial parking spaces.

[00:46:21] And it's nice.

[00:46:21] So they have retail and commercial spaces down below.

[00:46:25] A design concept available on the city's website shows that the multi

[00:46:29] apartment unit will cost more than 123 million dollars

[00:46:33] for the cost of over just one million dollars each for the 122 apartments.

[00:46:40] The second design concept would not would cost even more north

[00:46:43] of 200 million dollars for 196 units.

[00:46:49] The California Interagency Council on Homelessness, there they are again,

[00:46:53] the agency responsible for coordinating agencies and allocating resources

[00:46:56] for the homelessness programs blamed local governments for the problem,

[00:46:59] saying that these municipalities must be held more accountable.

[00:47:04] So. Must be nice having an apartment

[00:47:08] that was built for a million dollars given to you.

[00:47:13] Meanwhile, working class or middle class Californians

[00:47:18] are completely priced out of the housing market and can't buy anything.

[00:47:22] So that's nice.

[00:47:24] Yeah, but I'm sure that guy's very proud of what he's doing

[00:47:27] that we saw in the last video.

[00:47:29] Yes, he's proud of his work.

[00:47:32] Any comment on the Santa Monica spending a million dollars

[00:47:36] per unit for the homeless?

[00:47:39] To be started.

[00:47:41] I'm just kidding.

[00:47:42] Yeah, obviously, it's ridiculous like all of this.

[00:47:47] I think we have a spending problem, not a homelessness problem.

[00:47:51] I mean, we have a homelessness problem, but I feel like if we could get

[00:47:54] a handle on some of the spending,

[00:47:56] we would actually have less of a homeless problem.

[00:47:59] Mm hmm.

[00:48:02] And Santa Monica is a nice place, so.

[00:48:06] I don't know.

[00:48:07] The last time I went, it was a long time ago.

[00:48:09] It was nicer.

[00:48:11] One of the nicer areas of Los Angeles.

[00:48:16] Let's see.

[00:48:18] Yeah, and to get a million dollar apartment in Santa Monica,

[00:48:21] close to the beach, just hand it over.

[00:48:24] Must be pretty nice.

[00:48:27] There's another thing I want to talk about real quick.

[00:48:31] Do you remember during COVID

[00:48:34] what they did with all the homeless?

[00:48:39] What did they do?

[00:48:42] They did this project room key where they took over old hotels

[00:48:47] and put them up in these old hotels.

[00:48:50] Yeah, wasn't that just isolated to a few areas?

[00:48:54] Yes, it was isolated to a few areas.

[00:48:58] It says this is from CalMadge as well.

[00:49:00] Did California's massive COVID homeless shelter program work

[00:49:03] a new evaluation probes of the results?

[00:49:06] California's massive effort to shelter homeless residents

[00:49:08] during the COVID-19 pandemic was a success,

[00:49:11] according to a new report that says the effort changed

[00:49:13] the state's homeless services system for the better.

[00:49:16] But at the same time, the researchers pointed out

[00:49:18] a troubling dearth of available data on the program

[00:49:20] with the little information they were able to access.

[00:49:23] They found that people who left the program

[00:49:25] had at least a 40 percent chance of returning to homelessness.

[00:49:29] Project Room Key, one of Governor Gavin Newsom's

[00:49:31] signature pandemic initiatives, temporarily moved about

[00:49:34] 62000 homeless Californians into hotel rooms

[00:49:38] in an effort to prevent them from catching COVID.

[00:49:40] The model, which provided residents with their own

[00:49:42] private room and bathroom, as well as in some cases,

[00:49:44] health care and other services, was a world apart

[00:49:47] from traditional shelters where dozens of people sleep together.

[00:49:51] Researchers acknowledged large holes in the accessible

[00:49:54] state and local data.

[00:49:55] For example, they couldn't cross-reference death records

[00:49:58] or information about participants' health, meaning that they had no way

[00:50:01] to prove Room Key prevented deaths or kept people healthier.

[00:50:05] Initial responses to public

[00:50:07] records requests filed by CalMatters

[00:50:09] revealed dozens of deaths in Room Key programs

[00:50:12] spread across the state.

[00:50:14] In Ventura County, 32 people died in Room Key hotels,

[00:50:17] the majority due to health conditions and COVID related.

[00:50:21] Let's see.

[00:50:22] It said Jennifer Harky, program director of the Ventura County

[00:50:25] Continuum of Care, 12 people died in San Diego County,

[00:50:27] eight in Tulare County, and seven elderly people in Riverside County.

[00:50:32] This is the last thing I want to bring up.

[00:50:34] So the result is as of January,

[00:50:37] 22% of people leaving Room Key programs

[00:50:41] throughout the state went to permanent housing.

[00:50:44] 11% went to temporary housing.

[00:50:46] So after they ended Room Key, what happened to them?

[00:50:49] According to state data compiled by the researchers,

[00:50:52] another 40% remained homeless, 25% went into the emergency shelters

[00:50:56] and 15% went back to the street.

[00:50:59] Another 18% went to unknown destinations, meaning they didn't tell staff

[00:51:02] where they were going or staff didn't track it.

[00:51:05] So overall, 22% went to permanent housing.

[00:51:12] The plurality, I would say, went back to the streets and were homeless.

[00:51:17] While some researchers say it was a success,

[00:51:20] I don't know if it was a complete success.

[00:51:24] Now, keeping my project, Room Key was not supposed to be like permanent

[00:51:27] housing. It wasn't like a solution to be like,

[00:51:29] oh, we're going to just buy these hotels and put them up in hotels forever.

[00:51:32] It was their response to COVID because they didn't want a bunch of homeless

[00:51:37] in shelters, all congregating together.

[00:51:40] But I mean, if you're going to spend all this money

[00:51:44] and you had tracking of all these people who were in these hotels

[00:51:49] and your success rate was 22% got to permanent housing,

[00:51:54] but the plurality went back to being homeless or back on the streets.

[00:51:57] When you had them sort of like in these hotel rooms where you could

[00:52:00] get them help and treatment and services like that,

[00:52:03] I don't know if I would call that necessarily a success.

[00:52:07] What do you think?

[00:52:08] Well, two things.

[00:52:09] Okay. One, what exactly is permanent housing here?

[00:52:13] Is that some sort of $1 million condo that the government built for them

[00:52:17] or they moved in with family?

[00:52:19] Like I don't know if you have the answer,

[00:52:21] but I do question what does that even mean?

[00:52:23] But again, here we have, I am not opposed to this program.

[00:52:28] I'm not opposed to them like putting people for safety purposes in hotels,

[00:52:35] in rooms, shelters.

[00:52:37] I'm not opposed to any of that.

[00:52:39] But again, it's just like they put them in there

[00:52:43] and then they walked away and lost track of everything

[00:52:46] that happened to them after the fact.

[00:52:47] Like they maybe followed up on a few as numbers show here or whatever,

[00:52:51] but for the most part, they just threw money at a situation,

[00:52:54] put some people there and then walked away.

[00:52:57] And then here we are again with this like, well, what happened?

[00:53:01] Did it work?

[00:53:02] They were housed for a few months, but in the long run, what did that do?

[00:53:09] That's where I'm just so baffled and upset over all of this

[00:53:13] is that they completely lost track.

[00:53:15] If you're going to spend taxpayer dollars, you need to track where...

[00:53:19] I think it's the fact that they had this opportunity

[00:53:23] and it's not very often you have this opportunity

[00:53:27] where you can sort of get this one-on-one tracking of like,

[00:53:31] okay, who came into Project Room Key?

[00:53:33] Okay, we have your name.

[00:53:34] We know where you are.

[00:53:35] You're supposed to stay here for COVID reasons.

[00:53:39] And you could really get that kind of one-on-one help to these people

[00:53:43] and to say 22% only went to permanent housing,

[00:53:48] 11% went to temporary housing,

[00:53:49] but basically the rest of everybody else went back to the streets

[00:53:52] or they don't know where they went.

[00:53:55] It just shows like, okay, so you didn't take the opportunity.

[00:53:59] Not only that, you were getting flooded with federal COVID money

[00:54:02] and you didn't take that opportunity to do something about it

[00:54:06] while you could track a lot of homeless and kind of make an impact.

[00:54:12] Sorry, I was just saying it's not part of this whole 24 billion.

[00:54:15] Maybe it is, but I'm saying you had an opportunity to kind of address this

[00:54:19] and you did it.

[00:54:20] Yeah, and I know like you and I would be like anti-government tracking,

[00:54:24] but if you're going to take dollars from taxpayers,

[00:54:28] there's tax funds that are going to be used to help people,

[00:54:32] then if I'm going to check myself into some sort of government assistance program,

[00:54:38] I should be held accountable to a certain standard.

[00:54:40] They should be held accountable to like, is this working?

[00:54:43] We can't just keep...

[00:54:45] I keep going back to that I know,

[00:54:46] but I want to pound in that point that it's like,

[00:54:50] yes, there are people that need help and I'm not opposed to them being helped.

[00:54:52] I'm not opposed to tax funds helping,

[00:54:55] but if we're not helping and we're not even tracking if we're helping or not

[00:55:00] and we don't know if we're helping

[00:55:01] and we don't know what's happening with the money,

[00:55:02] we'll just continue to throw more money at it

[00:55:04] because we have no idea what's going on.

[00:55:05] That's where this is a problem.

[00:55:10] And another, more news that came out this week,

[00:55:16] ill timing for California.

[00:55:18] This is from the Los Angeles Times.

[00:55:20] San Francisco shelter operator got $105,000 for work.

[00:55:23] It never did.

[00:55:24] So the officials say.

[00:55:29] This is my shocked face.

[00:55:31] Surprise.

[00:55:34] All you had to do was drive by this shelter for homeless people

[00:55:36] and it's clear that San Francisco had been duped, officials say.

[00:55:39] There was no new paint job brightening the Oasis Hotel,

[00:55:41] which houses some of the city's most vulnerable residents.

[00:55:45] That was just some of the work for which the city was brazenly charged,

[00:55:48] but was never actually completed, the city attorney says.

[00:55:51] A nonprofit that operates shelters and other housing programs across San Francisco

[00:55:55] has been suspended from bidding on new contracts and grants

[00:55:58] after an investigation revealed it falsified invoices to receive more than $100,000

[00:56:03] according to San Francisco City Attorney's Office.

[00:56:07] So again, there's another thing.

[00:56:10] Providence Foundation ignored the clear

[00:56:13] anti-nepotism provision in the grant agreement by hiring members of at least seven different

[00:56:17] families, including two of the executive directors, children,

[00:56:20] and a child of the vice president of the board of directors.

[00:56:24] The Providence Foundation of San Francisco currently has multiple city grants,

[00:56:27] mostly through the Department of Homelessness and Supportive Housing.

[00:56:31] It also receives city funding for operating and navigation center

[00:56:34] and interim housing site, multiple housing subsidy and voucher programs

[00:56:37] and supportive services for people experiencing homelessness.

[00:56:45] We had already said in this episode, it's big business to be in the homeless business.

[00:56:51] And people know that.

[00:56:53] This is just one instance.

[00:56:55] I would not be surprised if you keep digging how much of this happens across the state

[00:57:01] in terms of fraud and people ripping off the government and taking money.

[00:57:06] Or the worst case scenario is that they know they're setting up these nonprofits

[00:57:13] and it's clear issues of nepotism and it's favoritism and it's political connections and

[00:57:19] everybody's getting what they want.

[00:57:23] At the end of the day, they're just getting duped for a ton of money.

[00:57:28] I applaud them on this particular incident of they actually investigated and figured out

[00:57:34] they were being conned.

[00:57:35] However, are there any repercussions for that?

[00:57:39] Does this guy get punished?

[00:57:40] Does he have to pay back the money?

[00:57:41] I'm sure he doesn't.

[00:57:42] I'm sure they're like, okay, don't do that again.

[00:57:46] I think they said this particular nonprofit can't bid on government contracts for a

[00:57:50] set amount of time, but still the money's gone now.

[00:57:54] It's just gone and it's not going to get paid back.

[00:57:59] That's where it's like if we started doing all these investigations, I'm sure we can

[00:58:01] figure out where a big chunk of this $24 billion went.

[00:58:07] I don't want to pick on people personally.

[00:58:10] Sure.

[00:58:14] We talked about who's on this ICH and our agency council for homeless

[00:58:20] because clearly they're not doing their job.

[00:58:23] We want to look into who's actually on this group.

[00:58:27] This is just one member of the group.

[00:58:30] Her name is Tina Delcarpio.

[00:58:33] Tina Delcarpio pronouns they, them join the Cal ICH team as a research data

[00:58:39] analyst in December 2023.

[00:58:41] We have no data on what her salary is.

[00:58:45] I'm sorry, their salary, not her salary, their salary.

[00:58:49] They hold a PhD in biology from UCLA.

[00:58:52] Their doctoral research primarily concerns the genetics of wolves and dogs.

[00:58:57] However, their favorite research project focused on evaluating a program to increase

[00:59:01] diversity in graduate education.

[00:59:03] This project came from Tina's passion for equity, diversity, and inclusion.

[00:59:07] After graduate school they were eager to continue using their data skills to support

[00:59:11] marginalized communities.

[00:59:13] Outside of work, Tina enjoys board games, board gaming, and reading, watching sci-fi

[00:59:18] and fantasy media.

[00:59:19] They live in Los Angeles with their partner and two cats.

[00:59:24] And these are the people who don't know where your $24 billion went.

[00:59:29] So they are an expert on dogs.

[00:59:33] Yeah, so she's she's the research data analyst.

[00:59:37] And remember, they I'm sorry, they are the research data analyst.

[00:59:44] My apologies, Tina.

[00:59:45] They are the research data analyst.

[00:59:48] And remember the video, that girl said she had no data.

[00:59:53] They have no data since 2021.

[00:59:55] So Tina, your email is not there prominently.

[01:00:02] But can you explain where the data is?

[01:00:05] Because we don't have it since 2021.

[01:00:08] Last thing I want to talk about before we log off for the day.

[01:00:13] This is what we're talking about NewSum.

[01:00:14] Let's see, he was going to cut.

[01:00:21] He said he wants to drain all remaining funding for half a billion dollar program

[01:00:26] to keep existing affordable housing affordable.

[01:00:28] Cut $152 million from a state program for first time home buyers and trim $260 million

[01:00:33] from homeless housing assistance and prevention program.

[01:00:36] That's the state's main source of general homeless funding and has dodged cuts in

[01:00:40] January.

[01:00:41] So he is now cutting.

[01:00:45] Money from the homeless program, which I guess, hey, you know what you proved,

[01:00:49] you can't properly spend it.

[01:00:51] Then you don't get more of it.

[01:00:53] So got to give credit where credit is due, right?

[01:00:57] If he had just been like, maybe we need to delay prop one.

[01:01:01] Wouldn't that be a better outcome?

[01:01:04] Maybe he could be like, maybe we should figure out where all this money's going

[01:01:08] before we start spending more of it.

[01:01:09] So like no new programs until we got to handle what we got.

[01:01:14] And then I guess he tweeted today something about like there's a I forget how

[01:01:20] many vacant government jobs in California.

[01:01:23] And he's like, oh, well, I should cut these jobs.

[01:01:27] And like, I don't it's yeah, if they're vacant positions, we probably

[01:01:35] don't need them.

[01:01:35] So do cut them.

[01:01:36] But like, I'm not impressed.

[01:01:38] Well, he's got to focus.

[01:01:43] He's got to try and stay relevant to keep his dying presidential aspirations

[01:01:49] alive at this point, which I think this might be the final nail in the

[01:01:54] coffin.

[01:01:56] Any final thoughts?

[01:01:56] We went over a lot of stuff today.

[01:01:59] I mean, outside of just the normal pure rage at the government for

[01:02:04] mishandling our money.

[01:02:06] If no, I'll stay silent so that I don't go on some rant for five minutes

[01:02:12] make myself look totally unhinged here.

[01:02:14] Yeah, I'll be interested to see how this all kind of plays out with

[01:02:20] the electorate.

[01:02:22] I wasn't going to change a lot of minds.

[01:02:24] It may change a good amount of like independent voters minds in terms

[01:02:28] of what they think about what the government is doing and kind of ask

[01:02:31] more questions.

[01:02:32] I think a lot of people farther on the left will probably think the

[01:02:35] issue is we need to spend more money and just be more accountable.

[01:02:40] But it's been a bad year for Democrats in Sacramento.

[01:02:46] They have a huge budget deficit.

[01:02:49] This looks really bad.

[01:02:51] They're still behind the eight ball and they're spending more

[01:02:53] and more money and we're not getting any results.

[01:02:56] And by the way, gas taxes going up in June or July.

[01:03:00] So have fun with that California July 1st, I think is every year it

[01:03:05] increases by a certain amount.

[01:03:09] So I don't know if we've hit rock bottom yet in California.

[01:03:11] I'm sure a lot of people think we've hit rock bottom, but this

[01:03:14] is not great news.

[01:03:16] So we'll keep an eye on and obviously update everybody as we

[01:03:20] find out more stuff.

[01:03:20] And if there is ever any data, I'm sure I don't know.

[01:03:25] We'll definitely hop on it, but it may take another five years for them

[01:03:28] to get around to that data.

[01:03:30] So maybe they'll get to that data one day.

[01:03:34] We'll get to that data.

[01:03:35] Maybe I'll be back in that lady's office someday.

[01:03:38] Anyway, we look forward to seeing anybody Saturday at the California

[01:03:42] GOP convention again, we're going to have a table one to four.

[01:03:45] We're going to be there live streaming a full podcast, a special

[01:03:50] California GOP edition live podcast.

[01:03:55] Any politicians who are in the area candidates, stuff like that,

[01:03:57] who want to swing by, let us know CaliforniaUndergroundatProtonMail.com.

[01:04:01] Trying to at least get it scheduled.

[01:04:03] It was a little hectic last time.

[01:04:04] It's kind of like people were just kind of rushing up to the table.

[01:04:06] So we'd like to try and get a little bit more organized this time

[01:04:09] so people know when to come by.

[01:04:13] But besides that, yeah, look forward to seeing everybody there.

[01:04:16] And I don't know any other final thoughts or before we sign off?

[01:04:22] No final thoughts.

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