Gavin Newsom just told CNN's Jake Tapper — while fly fishing, of course — that he won't challenge Kamala Harris for the 2028 Democratic nomination if she runs. It's a strange thing to volunteer just days after his own presidential odds on Polymarket collapsed to an all-time low of 7%. Phil, Camille, and Will break down the clip: why handing veto power to a "frenemy" who runs in all the same donor and advisor circles looks less like loyalty and more like an exit ramp, what it says about the "fire in the belly" question every 2028 speculation piece keeps dancing around, and why the designer-vest fly fishing photo op is just the latest entry in a very long list of Newsom cosplay moments — the railroad spike, the homeless cleanup, now this.
We also get into why Katie Porter's political future might not be as finished as her failed governor's race suggested — and Will's own history debating her before that race even started.
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