Phil and Camille bring you the latest discussions in California politics and do their best to crack through the insanity.
On this episode, we are joined by 2A advocate, Osvaldo Maysonet (@triggerology_ft on Instagram), to discuss Newsom's thinly veiled gun grabbing proposed 28th Amendment.
This episode was recorded on 6.13.23
Links Mentioned in Show
https://calmatters.org/politics/2023/06/gavin-newsom-gun-control-amendment/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqwP7mteNqU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFQ2RgjBLWg
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What's going on everybody? Thanks for tuning in to another
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episode of California underground podcast.
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I am your host Phil along with my trusty co-host the best and
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fastest researcher in the west Camille.
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And tonight our special guest, Osvaldo who is the handle
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trigger ology underscore ft. He is a second amendment
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Advocate and I texted him yesterday, before we hopped on
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the show, and I said we're going to be talking about the 28th
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Amendment. This ridiculous Amendment this
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pipe dream. That Newsom has Has proposed and
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I was like anything to do with the Second Amendment.
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We're calling as volatile, he's coming on the show, he's going
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to talk about it and we're going to eviscerate it is all the, how
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are you doing tonight? My been outstanding.
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Thank you so much for having me. Good to see you.
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Excellent. Yeah as always you know another
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political Stunt by Gavin Newsom, not shocking.
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I don't want to bury the lead here and I also don't want our
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audience to tune out right away. But the short answer of whether
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or not this amendment has any chance of passing is 0.
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So, there you go. That's it.
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That's our that's night show. We can sign off.
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Thanks everybody to see you guys are all done to the point quick
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and simple. It's almost, it's almost Too
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short for even a tick tock real. But yeah, any any thoughts off
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the bat? We're going to talk first, we're
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going to go into a little civics lesson about how does an
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amendment become actually an amendment to the Constitution.
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For those of you who don't remember your civics class back
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in elementary, but question of both of you, does anybody have
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any thoughts on this 28th Amendment before we jump in and
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discuss for today's show? I do you want to begin Camille
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or well? I have nothing.
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Okay, I'm sure she does. But will defer to you.
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What I can say is, this is not a surprise.
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Because typical in typical leftist fashion, what they do is
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they shoot for the stars and the moon, right?
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They they throw the most outlandish pipe dreams.
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And then, from there, once all the outrage happens, then from
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then they scale back, right? So does the like you said, at
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the nth row? Does it have any?
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Chance on Earth of passing in the current state.
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No. But what they're going to do is
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they're going to scale it down into something more.
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So the masses go like, oh well, okay, I guess we can try
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something new. But who is dating Gavin is the
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governor of California. He's not a member of Congress or
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the US Senate. He's just, he's acting like he
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has some poll with everybody, like with everything with, you
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know, he's telling all the governor's, how to run their
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states and how California is better.
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And he's a better person and now he's basically telling Congress
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how to Congress like whooping. He's just he's just got it.
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Mike, go back to California. Go back to your hair.
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Gavin, just stop. Go back to doing mr.
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Dracula stuff. That's what I've been calling
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him lately to Dracula cuz he looks kind of like the Tom
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Cruise when Tom Cruise played Dracula, he kind of looks like
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that. And he has the raspy ugly
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voice:, I'm Dracula and plus he probably sucks.
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Baby's blood sucks. The life out of babies.
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Yeah, but yeah. Well let's start off with this
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video. and we'll its Justice Gorsuch just because I think a
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lot of people forgot how hard it is to make an amendment,
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actually be a part of the Constitution and that was
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intended by the founders. They did that on purpose, they
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wanted to make it. So, it was very hard that it had
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actual broad support amongst all the states in the entire
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country. So it's not something that's
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easy to slap on. This isn't like the California
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Constitution where there's propositions and you can vote on
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it and then we have we end up having I don't know how many
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amendments. Our art of the California
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Constitution, like, 35 or something at this point.
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It's ridiculous. And we keep adding more
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Constitution or more amendments. So, let's watch this quick
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video, real real quick, and you just pull it up.
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Do well in as it was by the sign to avoid the most possibly the
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tyranny of the majority, right? To be inflicted into the
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individual. So oh yeah absolutely and these
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are I mean that's not the point today's episode to really get
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into it. But the Constitution itself was
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created to protect the rights of the minority and the majority
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they didn't want just whoever got in power and whoever was
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popular at the time to just all of a sudden run rough shot over
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everyone's rights and that's why amendments are so hard to pass
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because they didn't want. Just whoever the mob mentality
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came in and all of a sudden went hey we Don't like this.
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Let's get rid of the First Amendment.
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Okay, we don't like this. Let's get rid of the Fourth
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Amendment search and seizure, like they use a reason why for
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so long, a lot of these Amendments have stayed
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consistent. The first original Bill of
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Rights have stayed consistent because it's just so hard to add
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in them. Anyway, let's watch this video
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real quick and get brushed up on what it takes to pass it.
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The national Constitution Center presents constitutional
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questions with Supreme Court, Justice Neil Gorsuch Article 5.
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Amending the Constitution in the Constitution, our Founders
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created the greatest Charter of freedom in the history of the
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world, they understood however that they didn't have a monopoly
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on constitutional wisdom and that's why they put in place a
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process for amending the Constitution.
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So that future Generations could To use our foundational document
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to form, a more perfect union. The founders were themselves
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constitutional reformers, they were men of the Enlightenment
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they believed in human progress and learning from history and
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political Theory, they wanted us to continue to perfect their
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framework without resorting to Revolution, which as they all
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knew was often violent and destructive in Article 5.
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The founders offered us a formal process for amending the
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Constitution, but the Founder of set a high bar for doing.
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So to limit it, to changes that had broad support, the
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Constitution spells out more than one way, for amendments to
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be proposed and ratified an amendment can be proposed either
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in Congress or by the states if in Congress two-thirds of the
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Senate and the House of Representatives must approve,
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the amendment in the state. Two-thirds of them, must call
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for a convention to approve an amendment.
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If either of those things happen, the amendment moves on
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to the States for ratification, it must be ratified by
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three-fourths of the States to become part of the Constitution
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and that can happen either by a vote in the state legislature or
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by the state itself holding a ratifying convention.
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And now Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch tells us more about
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our right to amend the Constitution.
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We can amend our constitution, people forget about that, but
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for most of our history, we had an amendment every 7 or 10 years
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and that can be done by Convention as well.
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As through legislative processes and if people think sometimes it
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can't happen. Well, the last one happened in
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1992. And it James Madison had role
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there too. But so did a young person in
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college young person wrote a paper about a an amendment that
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Madison had drafted but they didn't go anywhere back at the
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founding it had to do with salaries for congress persons.
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And whether they could be raised in the same term, the Congress
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is serving or whether they could only take effect in the future
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for the next Congress. And this young person thought
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that was a great Amendment and it had been ratified by a number
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of states, but not quite enough to become Part of the
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Constitution. And then about 1992, this young
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person, picked it up, wrote a paper.
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I think got a poor grade for the paper, but managed to start a
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movement to get this madisonian amendment 200 years later
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adopted, and it is the most recent Amendment to the United
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States Constitution. So there you go.
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We the people can through that kind of process still have that
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kind of referent. So that's 200 years in the
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making. Yeah, that was that see if it
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gives you an idea sometimes with my men to take about 200 years
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to get past. All right?
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So let's break that down real quick before we get into
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newsom's proposed amendment. Yeah.
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If it starts in the states, which is he is basically, What's
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Happening Here with Gavin Newsom because I think I've just read
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it today. Actually, I think it's in this
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article I'm I have up here some assembly, man or centers.
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As in California, State Legislature is going to propose
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it as an amendment. So it's starting in the states
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which means now it has to get past two thirds of State
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legislatures. I can't I don't think I could
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name enough legislators that would sign on to this.
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That would make it past two thirds and if by chance it does
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make it past two thirds. It still has to go get past
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three quarters of the entire nation and I don't think there's
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a chance. Chance that it's going to make
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it past. Three quarters of a Nation.
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What are your guys, thoughts? Do you think it just based on
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the math alone? Do you think has a chance even
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of passing just procedurally? No, no, it doesn't fix anything
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answers. Isn't it?
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Like 45 States. There's only five I think five
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states that have these infringing rights.
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California, New York and a soda. Like 45 States basically would
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be against this. We would need 34, like you said
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to even, you know, start the move in if you will to call and
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then they would be 38 to pass it.
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I think I would be against it and to put it more clearly.
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Just how Camille just stated it just so happens to be that math
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45 of the states in the union, have a second amendment.
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Version in their state constitution.
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That is how we find ourselves in this situation where five states
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I believe they're all Coastal States, Illinois.
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Maybe the one outlier in the center of the country.
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I believe I'm correct on that. It's only five states that do
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not have a version of the Second Amendment in their state
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constitution and that's how we end up with these infringing
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laws. Okay, so go ahead.
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What's up California? New York, New Jersey and a soda.
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And Maryland are the states that don't have There you go.
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Second amendments. The second out the second Clause
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that like a state constitutional equivalent of like correct the
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right to bear arms. I just did the quick Google
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search just to even Hammer the point home.
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Constitutional carry is getting more and more popular and it
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seems every year we keep getting more and more States as of right
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now. And this is what for April 6, 20
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23 24. States now allow constitutional
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carry. So if you look at that way, have
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fun. If I don't wear it 25 Florida
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being let's go. We're at 25 but we may be
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somewhere around 28 By the time this year as done.
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There are a number of others Louisiana's wanted to comes to
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mind. So then they are literally
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working in the opposite direction of what Newsome needs,
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correct, right? Yeah, so I have a right to bear.
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Arms is becoming more popular in the right to defend yourself,
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becoming more popular across the country, not less popular.
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So, didn't want to quickly go through what he said for those
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who actually haven't seen it. But yeah, we can pull up.
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There's a video I have from The Today Show.
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It's only two minutes. So I don't want to subject you
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guys to Too Much Newsome. It's two and a half days.
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Yeah, he's, he's got his gobbledygook of what he wants to
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say and we'll take a quick look at what he has to say.
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We don't have to watch the actual video.
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Let's see, you know, the one that you put out, right?
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Yeah, watch just him commenting on his own wonderful
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proposition. Existential.
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Actually, hold on, hold on, hold on.
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Let's, let's, let's talk about this real quick before we move
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on. Sure.
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Okay, so I saw this Fox News poll.
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And for those of you listening on audio, it says, Americans on
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gun control, eighty-seven percent favor, criminal
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background checks, eighty one percent favor, raising the legal
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age to 21. 77 favor, waiting period, 61 percent favor.
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Banning assault rifles and this is a Fox News, poll Which is
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insane that this is Fox News. First thoughts now and I'll just
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say this sorry I had before I go to you guys polls are deceiving
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the way they asked questions can be deceiving.
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So just a general word of advice whenever you read poles like
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this. You know, it's always important
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to look at like, what questions are they asking?
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How are they asking it? I mean, stuff can be asked a
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certain way that most people really.
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Yeah, that makes sense. Sure why not?
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Yeah, okay, sure. And they'll agree to it but they
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don't think about the implications, Asians of it.
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So what are your initial thoughts of these poll numbers?
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What about you as well them? Yeah, every single one of these
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figures first thing that comes to mind is well, Fox News has
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been hemorrhaging audience, who is still watching Fox News?
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That's that's that's my first question.
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It can be an entirely whole different demographic from what
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the usual. You used to be and are they
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voters? Are who are they?
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I have no idea. But each one of these key points
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here, I can very easily take him down first and foremost
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background checks, who, what criminal subjects themselves to
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background checks? Before committing a crime with
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red take, take out Firearms regardless of the tool, right?
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Second one, the racing legal age?
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21, are you telling me that are we going to apply that across
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the board? Are we going to consider
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everyone who is under 21, a minor from now on?
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Are they not going to be able to go enter into?
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You know contracts, right? Get married, the whole gamut.
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Are they not going to be able to defend themselves?
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You have parents, plenty of parents under 21 so you're
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telling me that they can, they cannot defend their their family
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in the loop. Their loved ones until they
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become 21 waiting periods. We've had plenty of examples of
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people being murdered being victimized while waiting on a
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arbitrary waiting period that some politicians Petition, that
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doesn't have to live where normal people live.
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I thought of and then lesson not least the Banning us assault
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rifles. That's that's all a propaganda
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term Banning of assault. Weapons Dale, just all they're
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doing is demonizing. What are largely cosmetic
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features that do not alter Ballistics, do not alter belief.
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That is lethality any other? Let's follow you.
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You served right? Yep.
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At what age did you? You were a marine right?
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Yep? What?
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What age did you join? I was 20 So under this new
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Amendment you could go get trained in Firearms, take that
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firearm be shipped to a foreign land shoot that firearm enemies,
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die for your country this but you could not come home and use
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the same firearm in the training that you or not the same
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firearm, but the same training you received to protect yourself
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when you're here in America. Yeah.
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And it's record. Yeah, it's absolutely absurd.
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That was something that I Camille and I think we discussed
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before the show like, how ridiculous it is that the age of
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21. So what else?
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Are we going to raise 221? It's loading now going to be 21.
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Do you think like well you can't if you're not old enough and
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mature enough to own a firearm, think that's what you probably
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shouldn't be voting by shouldn't be getting married, you probably
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shouldn't be sure you be able to speak freely.
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I shouldn't be able to engage in these any of these.
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I mean, to go back to what we've been talking about this month.
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Any of those surgeries that change your gender or anything
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like that until you're 21, correct?
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Like, if we're assuming you're not an adult enough to use a
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firearm to protect yourself, then what else should you not be
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allowed to do until you're 21? We kind of made fun of it.
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Like, we rely go out and get super drunk on your 21st
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birthday and then go buy a gun. That's it I mean obviously
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That's sarcasm. And they're not going to allow
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that and they're still the waiting period, but yeah, we
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were, we're making fun of that whole process.
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And I just want to point out again because I think this is a
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really crucial point that people don't talk about enough.
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Is this whole background track, which is, of course, we already
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have those but if people are so bad that they shouldn't own
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guns, shouldn't they just be locked up?
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Like at these people are so dangerous.
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Why are they allowed to? You just live freely on the
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streets. Anyway.
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Exactly. Right.
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And and that would go back to especially in California.
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The liberal policies where we don't believe in locking up
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criminals like we slap them on the wrist or Omen jail overnight
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and then I go back out and do it.
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I don't care that you just shot up a whole bank and that you own
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that gun illegally. You know, we're going to make it
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harder for the legal gun owners to get a gun.
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But you, you who illegal Lyon? This gun and used it in the
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wrong manner? No slap on the wrist, go back
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out into the world. Old and we'll just make sure
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that we provide a better background.
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Check next time. Correct, they can still access
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firearms in the back alleys and the Gang and fix it infested
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neighborhoods their will very easily.
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If the word there's a will there's a way not only Firearms.
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Are you going to also prohibit this person to have access to
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bat to hammers? So nice cars.
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I mean when you say we like we already have laws in place Let's
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start locking up criminals. Let's start there and see what
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happens. No.
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Actually the laws in place, where it's illegal to do these
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things and we just let them all go free.
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Like, no. Let's just keep them locked up
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for a little while. You know, let's make them serve
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their sentences, let's make them pay for their crimes and then
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let's see what happens to all this snow opens Camille since
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you're on that topic of. Here's one thing that I want to
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make sure that I express to your audience you know.
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The majority of Of what our farm convictions are victimless.
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So you know if somebody is caught with a certain type of
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firearm that's you know, over Baden here in California, People
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are getting heftier sentences than people that are actually
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victimizing someone you know, for rape, for your name, it for
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Mayhem, you know whatever people are getting heftier penalties
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for breaking a penal code regarding to Firearms.
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Even if they didn't actually victimized someone, the victim
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was the Statute. Right?
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Those report getting heftier sentences than actual rapists
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and you know, and people who commit crimes against other
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human beings, let that sink in And then, I just have to add
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that. Every time I see a assault
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rifle, I laugh because no one can defined assault rifle.
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We're not, we don't have access to the same type of guns that
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you had, you know, serving our country.
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And so, I am very mature. And every time I see assault
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rifle, I laugh at you. Well, here's here's a fun.
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It here's a funny story, okay, the gun control act banned in an
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end, the National Firearms Act, they You know, I said to read
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certain bands on on what we call select-fire Farms or automatic
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Firearms, but it's not like they are completely banned.
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You have there is still a path for somebody to be able to own
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fully automatic machine guns. You just need to pay the price
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to the federal government and pass the background checks and
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here all of a sudden. Oh yep, you're fine.
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You can go ahead and own this, fully automatic firearm, or
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otherwise known as machine gun. So that's what governments to
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ban well, there's no way to ban it federally because they were
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need to get rid of the NFA and the the National Firearms Act
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and the gun control Act. And I don't know that they want
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to do that. That's a kind of warms that I
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don't think they want to open. Well, the thing about salt
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rifles is it, such orwellian speak in terms of, it can mold
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to whatever you want it to be. And it's like, you know, the
00:24:28
running internet joke is like assault, hammers, assault cars,
00:24:32
like that, all these things can be used to assault someone.
00:24:37
So I brought a very neat example, to help people to
00:24:42
illustrate the folks, This is what is the the most dangerous,
00:24:50
you know, Implement currently in the world and the in the United
00:24:55
States mind you this is it. They just focus on these certain
00:25:01
cosmetic features such as the pistol grip.
00:25:05
The collapsible stock being able to put stuff accessories up
00:25:11
here, a flash hider because they ruined Hides The Flash.
00:25:17
Wow. And obviously a detachable
00:25:20
magazine their own tell Aunty there are plenty of farms of
00:25:27
rifles that should the same calibers which are very small
00:25:32
calibers. That only have wooden stocks
00:25:36
that these people that they have yet.
00:25:39
That's fine. No problem.
00:25:42
But does the exams exact same? Damage.
00:25:47
There is a video by Crowder. He did a long time ago where you
00:25:51
set up a tent. I think it was in Texas
00:25:55
somewhere, he sent up a tent and he pretended to be like a gun
00:25:59
control Advocate and he laid out all these guns and you know,
00:26:05
they're same cut like you're saying, same caliber one, has a
00:26:08
Woodstock. One was all black and looked
00:26:10
more like a military style rifle and they would ask passerbys
00:26:14
well which One, do you think should be banned?
00:26:16
And they always point to the wand that they thought looked
00:26:18
like a military grade weapon? Well, what about this?
00:26:20
One over here? No, that one's that one's fine
00:26:23
over there. You know, that doesn't look as
00:26:25
menacing. That's not probably not that bad
00:26:27
of a gun. Same exact caliper.
00:26:31
But and they didn't realize that's the same caliber, not the
00:26:35
same exact gun, but just because it's wood and ones mettle and
00:26:39
one's black, it's like that. It's just how people perceive it
00:26:44
but the fact that people have done that same video.
00:26:48
Bro. No.
00:26:48
Kidding with Star Wars guns, I believe it.
00:26:54
Oh yeah. Julie the, do you think which
00:26:55
one should be banned? And they point to the Star Wars
00:26:58
cuts Because I have no idea. They've never seen any before.
00:27:04
Going back to a point that you were making.
00:27:06
And I think this is a good time to bring it up.
00:27:08
You had sent me a paper and academic paper about and I'm
00:27:13
going, I'm sorry. If I butchered his name, I
00:27:14
should do better because I'm Italian Macario who was an
00:27:19
Italian that office area? Yeah.
00:27:21
Beccaria he was an Italian philosopher of the Enlightenment
00:27:26
period and he was a big influence on the founding Anders
00:27:31
and he had basically what you were saying and what Camille was
00:27:34
saying, the idea of if you disarm law-abiding citizens the
00:27:39
only people who are going to have guns are the Outlaws.
00:27:43
I know you want to talk about that Seventeen, hundreds.
00:27:46
Somebody was already saying that.
00:27:48
Yeah, he was way ahead of his time.
00:27:51
In that saying it you can't disarm law-abiding, citizens who
00:27:56
are going to follow the laws who were going to follow all the
00:27:59
Calls who are going to follow their right to do this and not
00:28:02
get in trouble because they didn't want to get in trouble.
00:28:05
You want to preserve your natural Liberty because if you
00:28:07
get in trouble with a gun, well guess what?
00:28:09
You're going away? You, you no longer have Liberty.
00:28:13
And that was basically what he was saying, is if you disarm the
00:28:16
populace, you're going to the only people who are going to
00:28:19
have guns or the Outlaws. And then, if you're laxed on,
00:28:23
you know, criminal, prosecution, those people, the people are
00:28:28
now. Going to be even more subjected
00:28:30
to the harms of the Outlaws in the criminals.
00:28:33
Correct, what are you? You had some thoughts on this
00:28:35
this paper you want to share, well, it just shows you that for
00:28:43
the folks that say, like to say that the founders, this was not
00:28:51
their intent that we've been reading.
00:28:52
Misreading the Second Amendment all along know, the founders
00:28:56
knew exactly what they were. And it was very clearly and and
00:29:02
all the debates that happened prior to the ratification of the
00:29:08
Bill of Rights. It's all clustered Crystal Clear
00:29:11
red there, and they did their due diligence.
00:29:15
So to speak. They went ahead and did some
00:29:18
some good researching and we're looking at different
00:29:21
philosophers of the time and just her beccaria was one of
00:29:26
those and all that. Reasoning went into the Second
00:29:33
Amendment detection of the Second Amendment and what they
00:29:38
had plenty of examples, already back in the Seventeen, hundreds
00:29:43
of different municipalities over back in Europe where there were
00:29:49
promising, right? The monarchs, right were
00:29:51
promising, the people safety in exchange of Just giving away
00:29:59
their their Implements of self-rescue which is had a way
00:30:03
that I've been talking about it lately.
00:30:07
But yours you're not taking away the will of the those with evil
00:30:14
intent. There is no legislation will not
00:30:17
get tired of saying this. There is no legislation.
00:30:21
Eff effective at removing evil, from someone's poisoned, the
00:30:26
heart is just not going to happen that way.
00:30:29
All you're doing is you are removing the ability from the
00:30:33
good people to be able to defend themselves against the bad
00:30:37
people. This common sense The one thing
00:30:42
that always drives me nuts and I think you appreciate as well
00:30:45
because you sent me this paper. This didn't the Second Amendment
00:30:49
didn't happen in a vacuum. People think like it just came
00:30:53
out of nowhere, like they just kind of pulled it out of their
00:30:55
hat and they're like oh it's the militia, that's it, that's the
00:30:58
whole right. You know, that's it, that's the
00:31:00
whole analysis of the Second Amendment, not to toot my own
00:31:06
horn, but my law review, note was actually all about the
00:31:09
Second Amendment and I had a Amazing time going down the
00:31:12
rabbit hole of seeing how deep and entrenched where does the
00:31:17
Second Amendment come from? Why do we even have a second
00:31:20
amendment? And it comes down to this idea
00:31:22
that years before we go all the way back to the ideas of
00:31:29
individualism, the ideas of natural rights of John Locke,
00:31:34
and Adam Smith, and all that of this idea of preservation.
00:31:38
You have the ultimate right. In one, you need to preserve
00:31:42
your Liberty and to how do you preserve that Liberty?
00:31:45
You have to be able to protect yourself out in nature.
00:31:47
I do, those are two natural rights and natural laws that
00:31:51
should never be violated. You have a right to Liberty, you
00:31:54
have a right to defend yourself. So, no one infringes upon that
00:31:56
Liberty fast-forward to your limit.
00:32:00
Yeah, go ahead. It's I'm saying is you all to my
00:32:04
right and responsibility whose ultimate responsibility is You
00:32:09
know, for your safety it relies on you.
00:32:12
Yeah. You cannot Divorce Yourself from
00:32:15
that responsibility for your own life, it just does not work that
00:32:19
way. I've said it before when you had
00:32:21
met before, there is no amount of money that in the world that
00:32:26
you can pay someone to step in front of you and take a bullet
00:32:29
for you. Yeah, it just cannot happen.
00:32:33
There's no police force. There's no police lieutenant or
00:32:37
whatever that can tell you. No mandate one of it, there
00:32:41
officers go stand in front of this person and take the bullets
00:32:45
for him. The never happens doesn't work
00:32:48
that way. Yeah and then moving up through
00:32:53
history in American history, even post Revolution, there was
00:32:57
this period Between when we won the revolution the Revolutionary
00:33:02
War. And when we actually had a
00:33:03
constitution, there were there is a big swath of time as the
00:33:06
Articles of Confederation. We had all these state
00:33:08
constitutions and you look at all these state constitutions
00:33:11
like you had mentioned earlier in the show, you have all these
00:33:14
state constitutions. Pennsylvania is one that comes
00:33:16
to mind. I think Maryland as well
00:33:18
Pennsylvania. Probably the strongest Second
00:33:21
Amendment equivalent which was saying basically in order to the
00:33:25
right to preserve oneself It was even saying to preserve oneself.
00:33:30
One has the right to arm themselves and that's where they
00:33:34
got the idea from. They looked at all these
00:33:36
Amendment or these constitutions.
00:33:38
And said, hey, there's a, there's a trend here in all
00:33:40
these state constitutions that we want to preserve our Liberty
00:33:45
and preserve ourselves. Therefore, we're going to give
00:33:48
people the right to arm themselves so it didn't happen
00:33:51
in a vacuum and it always drives me nuts.
00:33:53
When you have these leftist who've just go out, it's the
00:33:56
militia. See if you you dumb Right
00:33:58
Wingers. You don't understand.
00:34:00
It's all about the militia now like crack a book and read some
00:34:03
history lessons a little bit because this is ridiculous that
00:34:07
you think I just read it. It's militia, that's it.
00:34:09
Nothing happened before. Nothing happened after history
00:34:12
and my mind happens in a vacuum. So that's it case closed and
00:34:16
it's like now there's so much going on in the fact that this
00:34:20
philosopher, this Italian philosopher beccaria was talking
00:34:24
about this how many years before the Revolution in America
00:34:27
happened. And that he inspired people like
00:34:30
John Madison and Thomas Jefferson who put this stuff
00:34:34
into the Constitution just shows it didn't happen in a vacuum so
00:34:38
historical rant over. Thank you.
00:34:41
I appreciate that because people seem to think that like, the
00:34:45
founding fathers got together, one night and just drafted
00:34:48
something over beers or something.
00:34:49
And that's what it was. They don't realize like they do
00:34:52
need to go through the history of it, that there was months and
00:34:55
months of these debates and they had these different teams than
00:34:58
Like it was these like forever forever and then it almost
00:35:02
didn't happen because there was the Federalists and the
00:35:04
Anti-Federalists and you know, like one group wanted the Bill
00:35:06
of Rights and everything and they weren't going to agree to
00:35:08
the Constitution until they got the Bill of Rights.
00:35:10
And this was literally not some just quick overnight thing.
00:35:14
This was months of debates with people who disagreed and
00:35:17
disagreed and disagreed until they could come up with what is
00:35:21
for everyone, what is for everyone?
00:35:23
What is for everyone, and then even George Washington in his
00:35:27
farewell speech. Peach, you know, said if in the
00:35:30
opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of
00:35:33
the Constitutional Powers be in any particular wrong, let it be
00:35:38
corrected by an amendment in a way, which the Constitution
00:35:41
doesn't mate, but let there be no change by usurpation for
00:35:46
though. This in one instance, may be the
00:35:48
instrument of good. It is the customer Weapon by
00:35:50
which free governments are destroyed, and I just think
00:35:54
that's such a powerful statement to go back to you.
00:35:57
We can't just be so quick. Act to amend the Constitution
00:36:00
just because someone has maybe a good idea in a moment and I
00:36:05
realize Gavin's been talking about this for a couple years
00:36:07
before years, in the grand scheme of hundreds of years is
00:36:10
nothing. I mean, our whole constitutional
00:36:14
republic took, how many hundreds of years from those, those
00:36:19
seedlings of ideas and philosophy, like John Locke and
00:36:23
beccaria to slowly make their way to different thinkers, and
00:36:28
people who then started this revolution, who then started a
00:36:30
country, like, it took hundreds of years to even get to that
00:36:34
point. So to the just kind of disregard
00:36:38
that and all history has a long Arc to it doesn't happen
00:36:43
overnight. You know, the Constitution was
00:36:45
not it was not like a college group project and they were
00:36:50
rushing at a deadline to kind of figure it out.
00:36:52
The last minute it took all their their teachings and their
00:36:56
learnings and their readings, and their debate and their
00:36:58
upbringing in their culture. And it took a long time for them
00:37:01
to come to the table after what was, and you can argue, whether
00:37:06
it is a failed system or not the Articles of Confederation, and
00:37:11
then they said, Okay, well, this didn't work.
00:37:13
So let's try something different but we're but yeah.
00:37:17
So this whole idea that it just came out of nowhere for the
00:37:21
militia drives me absolutely nuts because people it just
00:37:25
shows the lack of once you say that if I'm talking to you about
00:37:28
the Second Amendment and that's your answer.
00:37:32
You know, it's the old it's about the militia bruh.
00:37:35
It's not even about like you owning a gun.
00:37:38
Then I'm like, you don't know anything, you don't know
00:37:40
anything, you don't know. It was supposed to be Regulated
00:37:43
yet, it says regulate it brah. So that means I could regulate
00:37:48
it. Yeah.
00:37:49
Can regulate me right away that they were ever want to throw it
00:37:53
at us like in 2019 and 2020 about like you should go educate
00:37:57
yourself or what was it what were they saying?
00:37:59
Can we start saying that to them?
00:38:01
You can you have to educate yourself like it?
00:38:04
I mean that was more like a BLM thing that it was very like well
00:38:07
you need to go educate yourself. Oh yeah, that's the whole thing.
00:38:10
Like if you didn't understand, you have to educate yourself.
00:38:12
And that's another thing in the paper as well is that they
00:38:15
brought up in that paper you sent me as follow was after
00:38:19
2020. This is probably one reason why
00:38:23
I think there's been more of a push recently for carry
00:38:28
constitutional carry carrying concealed more people, going out
00:38:32
why we saw in 2020. I mean, you were out there just
00:38:36
like how hard was it to buy nine millimeter in 2020?
00:38:40
It was like impossible to find Mm, mm.
00:38:43
Yeah, it was difficult, you know, in the middle of the
00:38:45
pandemic, there were shortages of the Prime materials to make
00:38:49
admonition. So yeah, it was, it was quite,
00:38:55
it was quite a sight to see the lines of people lining up
00:39:00
outside of the local shops in their ammunition delivery days.
00:39:07
That was a thing, I participated on that and hey, when I went to
00:39:12
sleep, Guys, get your emotion mints, or Tuesday.
00:39:15
Okay, I'll be here and people would line up under the rent.
00:39:20
I'm oh, shit, meant days. Yeah, it was quite a thing.
00:39:25
Yeah. And I think that was all in
00:39:27
reaction to the fact that they were seen on their TV, these
00:39:31
riots, these BLM Riots of rice just burning down cities and the
00:39:35
state basically wiping their hands going.
00:39:38
Yeah, we're going to let them burn down the city.
00:39:39
They can do whatever the heck they want.
00:39:42
We're not going to do anything, police aren't going to step
00:39:45
away. We're going to let them do
00:39:46
whatever they want. And a lot of citizens, probably
00:39:48
step back and went, wait, a second, isn't your job?
00:39:51
Very a whole check. Yeah, the whole idea is wait,
00:39:55
weren't you aren't we? Don't we pay taxes for you to
00:39:58
kind of hold this whole social contract together so that you
00:40:02
protect us or provide some sort of stability, wait a second, the
00:40:06
state really doesn't care about us and we'll let us burn to the
00:40:09
ground if they want to. Oh, maybe I should go get a gun
00:40:12
and Protect myself. So yeah, I think people and in
00:40:19
2020, particularly where they said, wow, the state just
00:40:23
stopped protecting us and I have to protect myself now.
00:40:26
So all right. Do we want to finish this video
00:40:30
real quick and then we can move on to the specifics.
00:40:34
Alright, let's finish this video out to see what else he has to
00:40:37
say about this. Okay.
00:41:30
Yeah, we've heard that that math before a hundred times.
00:41:36
Add a point. I was going to say about what he
00:41:38
was saying, and I can put, oh, I haven't looked into this, but
00:41:42
I'm sure be interesting to see. They always talk about what gun,
00:41:46
Das are higher in, XY & Z States than California, but those
00:41:53
States also have looser or not looser, but I should say.
00:41:58
They allow you to exercise your second amendment rights to the
00:42:01
fullest allowing you to protect yourself and wonder, how many of
00:42:04
those deaths are Defense as well.
00:42:08
That they probably don't factor in, because they, if they are a
00:42:11
death by gun, they don't factor in self-defense, or is it murder
00:42:15
or that, you know, premeditated murder or anything like that.
00:42:19
So, they always fudge those numbers of like, well, the
00:42:21
desert higher in this state doesn't say anything about crime
00:42:26
overall. So yeah, the the specifics of
00:42:33
let's say I want to pull up the specifics.
00:42:39
The kind of already talked about it because we're about 45th.
00:42:42
We're almost 50 minutes into the episode.
00:42:43
We haven't really even talked about what this is.
00:42:46
What this says, the idea is to raise the federal minimum age
00:42:49
for all gun buyers, to 21 Federal rules already.
00:42:52
Apply to requires a nun yet, unspecified reasonable waiting
00:42:57
period between the time a person pays for, and receives a gun
00:43:01
require background checks for all gun purchases, federal law,
00:43:04
already mandates, this for sales from licensed firearm, Orders
00:43:07
but not for non-professional vendors who might set up a stall
00:43:10
at a gun show or sell to a family member or friend.
00:43:13
California already imposes, mandatory background checks on
00:43:16
all sales bar civilian, purchase of assault weapons.
00:43:20
California has such a bad place, but as lawmakers have discovered
00:43:23
coming up with a consistent working, definition of assault
00:43:26
weapon, it's easier said than done.
00:43:29
Oh no. Did we lose Osvaldo?
00:43:31
We did he'll become SPAC. Hope he comes back.
00:43:35
Waiting period. Like that's another The thing
00:43:37
that never gets to find, they don't, they don't Define assault
00:43:40
weapons, they don't Define what is reasonable, who decides, what
00:43:43
is reasonable? So, what is this reasonable
00:43:46
waiting period? How long is this?
00:43:50
I don't know. California is a 10-day waiting
00:43:52
period. Do they consider that
00:43:54
reasonable? Is that something that they
00:43:57
would consider reasonable? And I think as following made a
00:43:59
really good point that the 10-day waiting period.
00:44:02
Also, backfires in a certain way where if someone's trying to
00:44:07
Firearm to protect themselves and they don't get it in time.
00:44:12
There's a lot of people who are victimized because of waiting
00:44:14
periods, because they know that you can victimized someone, even
00:44:19
if they went out that day and got a gun to protect themselves,
00:44:22
guess what? You still got to wait 10 days
00:44:24
before you can come back and get it.
00:44:28
And I think it about women who had to file a restraining orders
00:44:31
against their crazy, ex who's threatening them.
00:44:35
And so they actually decide to go get a gun.
00:44:37
Gun and then they have to wait and then they're dead.
00:44:39
And he's back, he's back, we got him.
00:44:44
My apologies, no problem. We were just going over the
00:44:48
amendment itself so you didn't miss much.
00:44:51
Yeah. Well like we were saying and it
00:44:53
went over in that poll they so his whole amendment is raised.
00:44:57
Its 21 require unspecified. Reasonable waiting, period
00:45:03
background, checks federal law already.
00:45:04
Man, States is from licensed firearm dealers,
00:45:08
Non-professional vendors who might set up a stall at a gun
00:45:11
show. I've never, they keep saying
00:45:13
this gun show myth like this Gun Show loophole, and Shirley, who
00:45:20
is that a real thing? Because I've seen conflicting
00:45:22
things about like, can you go to a gun show and just buy a gun
00:45:25
without a background check. I've seen it, where you can't go
00:45:28
to a gun show, just by they're going to ask you to fill out the
00:45:30
form and do everything and they submit it correct.
00:45:35
So that's accurate. When you go to a gun show,
00:45:40
anywhere in the states and you are face-to-face with a federal
00:45:46
firearms, licensee or FL. They are supposed to run a
00:45:51
background check. However, Firearms are personal
00:45:56
property. What they're saying is Well
00:46:00
people are doing private transactions in the parking lot
00:46:05
and that is what they want to Outlaw.
00:46:09
That's where it gets to by state state by state.
00:46:12
There are plenty of states the states that respect the
00:46:16
constitutional right for people to do as they please with their
00:46:21
personal property. What the federal law Is that if
00:46:25
you have no reason to believe that this person is a prohibited
00:46:30
individual that you can go ahead and do what you're, you know,
00:46:35
with your farm as you please. And you go ahead and sell it to
00:46:38
somebody that you know what the law states.
00:46:41
If you know that this knowingly that this person is a prohibited
00:46:47
individual. Then you are committing a crime.
00:46:50
But again, you are committing a crime and there are plenty of
00:46:53
people. Who who are willing to do that?
00:46:57
Hmm, so again like is it we go back, it's a it's a circle,
00:47:03
right? We go back to, okay?
00:47:05
You just want to create lost but there are still going to be
00:47:08
people that are willing to break your loss.
00:47:12
Just like we continue to say murder is illegal.
00:47:16
And it has not stopped murder. Yeah, ever, regardless of the
00:47:21
implement All right, how do we do?
00:47:26
So we got a couple minutes left before.
00:47:28
We're at the hour. We I think we covered a good
00:47:33
gamete about how I guess. I mean, how thinly veiled.
00:47:39
This is as to what they're trying to do here, and I think
00:47:44
we were chatting about it before where it is, the idea that they
00:47:49
put it out there, they put it out into the Zeitgeist, they put
00:47:52
this amendment out there and then they keep pushing it and
00:47:54
pushing it. Pushing it to the point where
00:47:56
Where people go. Oh yeah, it's not that bad of an
00:47:58
idea. And then people willingly start
00:48:00
to vote away their rights based on this thing.
00:48:05
Now, being in the Zeitgeist and that's probably the scariest
00:48:10
thing is that people will voluntarily vote for this stuff
00:48:15
or soup support this stuff without even really thinking
00:48:18
about it, and they're couching it in this idea of common sense,
00:48:24
when we've only been, Been here an hour and I think we've
00:48:28
pointed out the absurdity of all these things so they're not
00:48:31
really that much of a common-sense.
00:48:33
What do you think? No, they're not coming sense at
00:48:37
all. I mean, Let me give you the
00:48:40
example again of this, this to, this is an outstanding
00:48:47
self-defense to. I've been saying now for a
00:48:51
while. I want to defend my life and my
00:48:54
loved ones lives with Superior Firepower.
00:48:57
I do not want inferior pipe Firepower.
00:49:01
I want to be able to now that I am at a disadvantage because
00:49:07
whoever decided to victimize me Me or your audience, right?
00:49:11
They had the advantage of premeditation of planning.
00:49:15
Now, I have to react. But you politician mr.
00:49:20
Mrs. Politician want me to be at a disadvantage.
00:49:24
You want to take implements like this away from me.
00:49:28
You want to take math, you know extended I mean, isshin capacity
00:49:36
from me, why? That is not common sense.
00:49:41
That that doesn't sound like common sense to me.
00:49:43
You want me to you? Want to place me at a
00:49:45
disadvantage? I'm already at a disadvantage.
00:49:48
I didn't have to go through it back, the criminals, did I have
00:49:51
two? Most certainly probably didn't
00:49:53
have to go through a background check.
00:49:54
They have to pay taxes, you know, on the firearms and the
00:49:58
ammunition didn't have to go through the training for the
00:50:02
concealed carry permit. They had to do any of that, I am
00:50:05
already at a disadvantage. Hmm.
00:50:07
How is that coming? Sensical.
00:50:10
That's a nude. That's a new definition for
00:50:12
common sense to me. You you crows, you going back.
00:50:19
I think hammering this point home, if anybody plug for as
00:50:25
follow here, go to is his page and you posted that video of
00:50:29
that attack in France, right? Of the guy with a knife
00:50:34
sensitive places. Yeah.
00:50:36
Terrorizing a playground if you want an idea of like what a
00:50:41
world would look like Even without guns, there will always
00:50:47
be people who want to terrorize others in harm others and they
00:50:52
don't care, they'll just do it. And you know, if you take away
00:50:57
the ability of those law-abiding citizens to protect themselves,
00:51:02
you've just given free rein to the evil in the world.
00:51:05
That's going to go out there and harm people like in that video.
00:51:09
So I highly encourage if you go check it out it's trigger ology.
00:51:13
Her score, ft is your username. He has the video as well as the
00:51:18
video up there. It's tough to watch, but I
00:51:21
encourage people to watch it because this really happened,
00:51:25
and this is real, life is in a situation work in those
00:51:29
situations where you probably wish, like you were saying
00:51:34
someone's attacking you. You want to be an advantage, not
00:51:36
the disadvantage, however, politicians in the state, want
00:51:41
us to be at a constant disadvantage.
00:51:43
I'm relying on the state, so, Yep.
00:51:49
You know that that that's that's the way that these things
00:51:52
usually work out that I am yet to see a firearm law.
00:51:58
That places me at an advantage versus someone who's trying to
00:52:03
victimize me. As I am yet to see one know that
00:52:08
background checks and that waiting periods, not age
00:52:10
restrictions, not ammunition capacity, restrictions, none of
00:52:14
these plays me or the good people in the audience.
00:52:18
Audience or yourselves at an advantage, over the criminal
00:52:22
element. None of them.
00:52:23
Do you think if we posted more gun-free zone signs that would
00:52:26
help well, ask Ukraine, I think Ukraine posted, you know, no
00:52:35
guns, no tax allowed in their borders and I know I think that
00:52:39
worked out cool. Therefore I should just turn
00:52:42
right around. They said ah darn it, you know,
00:52:46
because what are looking at. We're works out.
00:52:49
Once you just put a sign, say, it's illegal to bring your tanks
00:52:52
into our country. People will turn right around.
00:52:55
All right, so we're coming up on the hour.
00:52:57
Any final thoughts from either of you about Newsome's crazy.
00:53:02
28th Amendment, whoever wants to hop in first final thoughts.
00:53:07
Yeah, you know what, I want to say to your audience is, I want
00:53:13
you and I, and this was echoing the same thing as I've said in
00:53:17
the past. First, I want you to protect and
00:53:20
advocate for your rights assertively, because none of
00:53:25
these people, not Gavin. Newsom, not Joe Biden, that
00:53:28
Kamala Harris. None of these people are going
00:53:30
to be there to protect you to save you to rescue.
00:53:34
You should you be targeted by one of these Knuckleheads?
00:53:38
None of them are. They?
00:53:40
Do not live where you live? The Do Not shop, where you shop?
00:53:43
These not worship what you worship.
00:53:46
None of those things. So you need to advocate for your
00:53:49
rights, exercise, your rights, And, you know, take a response,
00:53:56
ultimate responsibility for your safety, because that's literally
00:53:59
what it is. It is your responsibility.
00:54:03
That's all I'm gonna say. Yeah, well said Camille, it's a
00:54:07
great ending. No, I think that's a great
00:54:09
ending, can't knows that kick nails.
00:54:11
Like can't even got the same less plug.
00:54:14
I do have outstanding merch trigger ology that shop.
00:54:19
I think this is, I don't know if it's inverted but it's reads.
00:54:23
My life is worth protecting with Superior Firepower.
00:54:27
I also have these, I'm keeping my guns Gavin, that's a good
00:54:32
one, but a trigger ology. Shop and find some outstanding
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and based merch Trigger or else, I'll try.
00:54:39
Where else can people find you and follow you?
00:54:42
Yeah, trigger Ali underscore ft and Instagram and on Twitter,
00:54:46
trigger ology, That's awesome. Cool.
00:54:51
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