Phil and Camille bring you the latest in California politics, and break it down through a lens of sanity.
On this episode, we discuss influential political activist in San Diego politics Carl DeMaio. From his rise to City Council to his current position as Chairman of Reform California. We do a deep dive into Reform California's finances as well as its connections to other entities to follow the money and see whether or not the money donated to his PAC actually go to the causes they are supposed to.
This episode was recorded on 4.18.23.
Links and References Mentioned in the Show
History of Carl DeMaio's Elections: https://ballotpedia.org/Carl_DeMaio
Inside the Falling Out Between Carl DeMaio and His Longtime Consultants: https://voiceofsandiego.org/2014/09/19/inside-the-falling-out-between-carl-demaio-and-his-longtime-consultants/
Key Democratic Group Rips DeMaio as Anti-Corruption Hypocrite: https://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2019/08/08/key-democratic-group-rips-demaio-as-anti-corruption-hypocrite/
"It's a Promote Carl Organization" Inside the Rise of Reform California: https://voiceofsandiego.org/2021/04/27/its-a-promote-carl-organization-the-rise-of-reform-california/
Reform California Website: https://reformcalifornia.org/about
Capitol Media, Inc Website: https://capitolmedia.co
The Transparency Foundation Website: https://thetransparencyfoundation.org/about
Secretary of State Financial Filings for Reform California: https://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/Campaign/Committees/Detail.aspx?id=1268914&session=2021&view=general
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What's going on everybody? Thanks for tuning in to another
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episode of the California underground podcast tonight.
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We have a pretty, pretty jam-packed, show so much
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information to cover. We're trying, we'll try to get
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through all of it, within an hour to keep the show within an
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hour, because I'm pretty sure if we just went over everything, it
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would probably be like, over two hours and the farther we went
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down this Rabbit Hole, it would just keep going.
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And going and going the point of tonight's episode is a man by
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the name of Carl demaio A oh we're going to talk about sort
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of his political rise app sort of like a blip on the map more
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like less than a rise. We're going to talk about his
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pack reform California where we talk about, all these different
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entities. We're going to get into all of
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that stuff. First off disclaimer, everything
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we find here is public record, everything we're talking about
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is public record. It is all out there.
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You can go find it for yourselves, anything.
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In terms of what we say, we might be opining on something.
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Don't take opinions. As fact, do your own research
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and that's basically it. That's the legal disclaimer, the
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attorney and me had to make sure I said that before we start this
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episode, just because for no uncertain reason, but Before I
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get started, I definitely needed the help of my trusty Cohoes
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with this one, the best and fastest researcher in the west
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Camille. How are you doing tonight?
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I think I think I'm okay. The I don't know how I feel
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about this episode. There's going to be a lot like
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I'm looking at my tabs right now and I have like, I feel like I
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have like 50 tabs open right now to go over always with you only
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50, but there's a lot to cover and most people who probably
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aren't in like San Diego or Southern California, really?
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Have no idea who the heck Carl demaio is, and they might just
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be like, I have no idea who the The heck you're talking about?
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Why is this important? I talked about it beforehand,
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I'm in the podcast. Pre-show why is this important?
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We did this. You and I actually we're kind of
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getting back to Our Roots now, which is how you and I sort of
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met which is looking at all this stuff, researching going to the
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Secretary of State looking at finances, asking questions and
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then just kind of putting that information out there.
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Correct. So this is kind of us getting
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back to our roots of really what we've been doing right now.
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And again, we're just gonna burn it all down again, but this
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stuff is important. I think, because if you're not
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paying attention to what your politicians are saying, or not
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even just politicians, there's people in movement who take
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advantage. There are people who will see an
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opportunity and they will jump at it.
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I'm not saying this is necessarily called to my I'm
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leaving that up for you to just for people to decide people.
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We've looked at, in the past, we've definitely figured out
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that they are taking the opportunity and it's good for
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people to understand this and know that they They can it's
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only a couple clicks away that you can figure this stuff out
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for yourself and maybe just raised some red flags and go,
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huh, that's weird. Why is he not spending money
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there? Or why they not spending money
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on this and boy? They took in a lot of money and
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boy, it looks like they didn't really spend a lot of money on
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what they were supposed to. So if you're not in San Diego
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and you have no idea who that Carl demaio is.
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Well, stick around at least use this as like a cautionary tale
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of someone to look out for in California because cow.
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Offerings, a big state. There's a lot of people.
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So where should we start with Carl demaio?
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I suppose we should just go back to the beginning which is 1974
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when he was born. That's really far back in the
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beginning. Do you want to go?
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Okay. Okay.
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I don't want to go that the go, that far back.
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Is what like, what who's Carl, what does he do?
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All right. So let's give a little bit
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background about the Caldwell County.
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So, you know, if you're right, if we were at a cocktail party
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and you were like, who's Carl demaio, what does he do right
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now? He's a radio, host Coco radio.
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He is a pack called reform. California.
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He also has two entities Capitol, media and transparency.
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Foundation, although Capital media you can't say, is actually
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his because it doesn't technically owned.
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It will get into that whole fact but he is the chairman allegedly
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allegedly. He owns Capitol media but he is
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the chairman of this pack called reform, California reform.
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California has been on the Forefront of a lot of these
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initiatives that he says that he's was part of organizing.
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He's basically, I guess you could say he's an activist at
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this point. He's not Really a politician
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anymore. He was a politician.
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We can go back to the early beginning.
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When he first moved out to San Diego, he spent some time in
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d.c., he started. These companies, not really a
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really great importance, he sold those companies and then moved
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out to San Diego. His first foray into San Diego
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politics. Was, he was elected in 2008 to
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be city council member. Um, so in San Diego city council
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has 2008 to 2012. Now, look at his Wikipedia page
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buppa buppa, try third again, there's so much folks that we're
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trying to like now in on. I don't want to like just kind
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of sit here and read off of everything, but there is an
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article I did want to bring up really quickly.
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Hold on because I have a crap ton of.
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Okay, so during his Time acid, in Diego city, council member.
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This is from the times of San Diego quote, in is limited time
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serving on the San Diego city council.
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DeMeo was a World, Wind of Scandal, and Corruption from
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being fined by the San Diego ethics commission for
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improperly. Soliciting donations from city
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employees to funneling over fifteen thousand dollars in
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campaign funds to a loved one to multiple cases of full-fledged
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plagiarism. Washington-based.
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Andy, orale no. Sorry.
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My dog is really upset today. She's upset about Carl demaio as
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well. Yes.
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Washington base and e or olano the group's West Coast.
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Press secretary said Thursday, what?
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We already know about Carl demaio, makes you wonder what we
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are still yet to find out, but while demand out, demaio is
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lacking self awareness. He's flush with hutzpah to run a
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campaign against corruption with a record like this.
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Well, it takes a special special kind of Courage.
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And this was Dave McCullough. They talked about in this
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article. Keep note of that name who Dave
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McCullough is because he's going to come back in the charts every
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time. We heard that name, no.
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Because with we won't be able to finish the podcast out of sheer
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inebriation. Alright, so in 2008 domain, why
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do I keep saying his name wrong? Demaio agreed to pay $1500 City
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ethics commission, fine for indirectly.
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Soliciting campaign contribution from city employees and
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violation of the municipal code as a city council candidate in
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2010, demaio paid, hail media Incorporated.
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Keep that name. Also in your mind owned by his
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boyfriend. Jonathan hail 16 first.
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Like, what's that? Now, husband there now Harshman,
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they are now married owned by his now.
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Husband. Jonathan.
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Hail sixteen thousand dollars for Signature Gathering.
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But it didn't list in campaign disclosures that The taxpayers
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Advocate. Richard Rider didn't see a
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problem with the sixteen thousand dollar payment.
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The inferences that hail pocket at the 16 but that's not
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what the facts indicate at this point.
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And in 2012 a long profile of demaio suggested that he
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plagiarized the website of arrival Washington consultant.
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So already off the bat, he is just doing a bang-up job in San
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Diego city council right off the bat.
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Any thoughts on this so far? There is, I sent you something
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about. He wanted to get rid of the
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Ethics Committee. Did you?
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I don't know if you saw that video.
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Was that before? Or after they?
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Research. I don't know.
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Is that part of the, the the Mounds of links that we've been
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kind of going through for this entire thing.
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That's why I said, only because I feel like you probably had to
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narrow it down from 150. And so there, somebody keeps
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question Governor refuses to answer.
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But I am not exactly sure on the date.
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And they keep saying, why do you want to get rid of the San Diego
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Ethics Committee? And so now, I'm wondering if
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that was before or after they looked into him, Yeah.
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All right, I didn't see that one again.
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We are dealing with a bunch of stuff that was coming through.
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We are saying eventually back and forth makes it liquid an
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hour ago - yeah, there's like so much and at a certain point we
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were just like we can't keep going down this Rabbit Hole.
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Just going to keep getting deeper and deeper that.
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The also finally do my outro declined to take a 6%, City pay
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cut 2009 At the same time, others council members were but
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it was reported that he reduced his own compensation by, 30%, by
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rejecting the car allowance, and the city's pension.
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Okay, no. Do you know why?
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They were taking a pay cut? I know, that's not okay.
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I know that's not the issue here for.
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I was just curious what was going to know why they took the
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pig away. No, I don't know.
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Maybe it was just well, 2009. I'm going to guess it had
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something to do with the Great Recession, right?
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Yeah, is ready. I guess.
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Okay they're probably taking in less tax revenue so I would
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imagine the city probably had to cut somewhere so they probably
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all took a six percent pay cut so city council done.
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Now let's move on to his next gig which was and I'm trying to
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find a kind of like organize these a little bit better next
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was he ran for mayor in 2012? How do you?
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You think Carl demaio did in 2012 running for mayor?
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I don't think he's been elected since city council, so I don't
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think he did very well. Well, he lost.
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He was a candidate 2012, San Diego, Mayoral race to earn a
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spot on the November 6. 2012 ballot tomorrow has survived,
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had to survive a primary on the June 5th. 2012 ballot 5K.
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It's completely that primary only the top two, vote-getters
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demaio, and Bob filner moved on to the final contest on November
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6, the five k is the number of votes that are see the bubble
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butt. So he did Bond.
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He, at least made it past the primary.
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Now, if you know anything about San Diego politics, Bob, filner
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was later. He left because of sexual
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harassment. Yes, it does seem like there's a
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pattern with San Diego politicians and sexual
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harassment looking at you Nathan Fletcher.
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Yeah, it's the same vehicle. Politicians something in the
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water down here, in San Diego and just can't help but sexual
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harassment. So I mean good on him.
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He didn't make it past the primary Yeah, that's what.
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Now, this, an accomplishment for sure.
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Out of all the people. In fact, it was, he is actually
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in the primary, he was the top vote getter Okay, so we get give
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him credit. He got 70 5508.
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Bob, filner, got 70 3209. You want to know who was in
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third place? Fletcher, in that race Fletcher
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was in that race, you got 57 thousand votes It all comes full
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circle. See in third place with Fletcher
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30 place, he was third place. We have a round of applause
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sound effect. I don't even want to get
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Fletcher a round of applause. All right, so after that failed
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race, not to be outdone. He decided he was going to move
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on to Congress Congress. Okay?
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In 2014, he moved on to Congress and he battled against Scott
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Peters for the 52nd congressional.
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She'll District. It was a Battleground District
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in 2014, due to the low margin of victory for Democrats in the
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last election, and two presidential elections, Scott
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Peters. And once again Carl demaio, we
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got to give credit where credit is due.
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He did make it past the primary. He beat out Kirk jørgensen and
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Fred Simon other two Republicans to make it to the actual general
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election. However, how do you think this
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election went out? How about to go with he lost?
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He did. He lost Scott Peters who is, I
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believe still the Congressional our Congressman down here.
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He won 51.6 to 48.4 so-called smile.
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That's close. That's very close.
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It was a Battleground state so it was or Battleground District.
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So it was very close. It was a margin of a little over
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about 6 votes. So it's been a congressional
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district, that's actually pretty close.
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So again, credit where credit is due.
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Carl demaio did get make it close in two races so he's now
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was that 143 one out of three races, he's so far one again
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Carl demaio as ambitious as he is.
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Decided that wasn't enough for him he want to dip his toes
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right back in the water and he was going to run again.
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This time he decided he was going to run for California's.
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50th Congressional District and this was two years ago in 2020.
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Now we set the same district, basically with redistricting or
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no, they didn't register until last.
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Yeah, I don't I don't think so because well, it depends on
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where Scott Peters is now, but that's not really the point
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because I think this district is a lot more conservative.
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It's a lot more red. So I don't think it's the same
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because I was more of a Battleground District.
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So, how do you think Carl demaio did in this race?
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Okay, to go with Carl, demaio did not get very far in this
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race. He did not.
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In fact this time he did not make it out of the primary.
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Yeah, so in terms of performance, he was regressing
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backwards, he was not making up any ground and you would think
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with all this name, recognize with all this name recognition,
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you'd think he'd start to pick up some votes but he was
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actually regressing backwards, he lost to Darrell Issa, who is
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now the current Congressman of that district and a mark on.
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APA. Negara, perennial Congressional
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candidate. Who seemed or now he just seems
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to run wherever they need a Democrat.
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They like, I'm are, we need you to run for mayor of Chula Vista?
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Go do that. He's also, the is he still the
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boyfriend of Sarah Jacobson? Do we know that I thought she
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got married, but am I wrong? Did she get married to him?
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Why do actually maybe the track shot.
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Know somebody in the chat. Know what's going on with what's
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going on with our producer, go find out our company jarrah.
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We'll come back to that, not really the point of today's
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episode, but still interesting. So ourselves.
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Got to fact, check ourselves. So that's basically Carl De Mi
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political career up until now. Now he's not done.
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He's not done, he's but he is setting his sights a little bit
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more. Local Carl demaio is now running
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for Central Committee of the San Diego Republican party.
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So when you're on Central Committee, you have a lot of
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say, over the party platform about endorsing candidates the
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city for all the strings there anyway.
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We'll get to that. Yeah, the he might be the man
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behind the curtain right now, but I think he wants to step out
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from behind the curtain and make it a little bit more formalized.
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Okay, so he's running for 2024 for Central Committee and we'll
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get to that and we'll what he's doing right now that makes it a
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little bit more how we should say bait-and-switch, but we'll
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get to that. So he's running for that, it's
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gonna be a little bit smaller. In the meantime, Carl demaio has
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gone on to host a DriveTime show down here in San Diego and kogo
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radio, he has the drive time slot between three and six and
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he will Electrify you with about five minutes of commentary
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before he goes to a commercial for about 7 minutes and then
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come back for about three minutes of more electrifying and
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commentary and then go back to commercial for another 10
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minutes. So very electrifying, if you
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Want to listen in to them kogo, radio and iHeartRadio.
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Go check them out between three and six.
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You'll get about 50 minutes of commercials every hour in about
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10 minutes of talking. Not to rag on radio people.
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They do a wonderful job so he's been on kogo radio this whole
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time. He's also started this reform
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California. Now I think that's where the
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next part of this episode is going to go.
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Because it gets really deep. Yeah, and it gets really
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interesting for warning to everybody who's listening.
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Reform. California is sort of it, sort
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of the Sun. And Carl De Mi political solar
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system. Whereby everything revolves
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around reform California and it gets really, really interesting.
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How many strings, it's kind of like a big spiders web and how
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much it reaches out into everything.
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So he has this radio show, he's got people's ears.
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People know, he runs this reform California, he's very well known
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in the county, obviously, from running several failed races.
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I mean, and he was elected once several failed races and Now
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he's got this pack that is doing enormously well.
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Steve I want to State pack. I do want to read a little bit
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from this voice of San Diego and believe me, this might be the
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longest show notes in our like, this podcast Show's history
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because we're just going to throw all the links and
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resources and everything we've sourced into the show notes.
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So if you don't believe us and think we're just making this up,
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you can go read all this stuff for yourselves.
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This is voice of San Diego. The title is, It's a promote
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Carl organization. The rise of Reform, California.
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Yes, you can say, that's our shared note that Camille and I
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work off of every week to kind of like create the show map.
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You can see just the list of it. This might be the longest amount
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of like that's just the links. Like, there's also just
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documents that we had to send each other to that's why it's
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out there. Might actually have to be a
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follow-up episode on this. This is the tip of the iceberg.
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But boy, did you do he started? This is so it was started as
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reform San Diego and then it moved into reform California.
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I actually remember when it was reform San Diego and then became
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reforms, California, sorry, not to correct you but it started as
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San Diego citizens for accountable government.
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Okay? I don't know if you're going off
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the picture, I sent you, but it's, it's like, Starting with
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the most recent. Okay, so it started as the
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citizens, the San Diego citizens for accountable government.
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So, I think it may have started as a like a City local pack and
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then kind of expanded. Oh, we have an answer on the
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Amar question from the so I figured we the answer is yes.
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They are still dating so everyone can everyone take a
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deep breath Omar and charge a cups are still dating.
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The place we're all we're trying to keep this.
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This train is very close to getting off the tracks and I'm
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doing my best to keep it on the truck so it won't grow back.
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I think this was around 2013, 2014, maybe San Diego citizens
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for a cow. Honorable government.
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I should look that up to but okay, just to clarify and then
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it turned into reform San Diego, correct.
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Yeah, it would then became reforming City Hall with Carl
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demaio then reform San Diego with Carl demaio, then simply
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reform San Diego reform. San Diego with Carl demaio
00:21:11
again, reform, San, Diego reform, California.
00:21:14
California. Yes, on 6.
00:21:16
And now it is currently reform. California.
00:21:19
Now that's not just to clarify, that's not a bad thing.
00:21:21
Like, I don't want anyone thinking that like if you're
00:21:24
going after a certain thing, the name change does make sense.
00:21:28
Right? And then it's a lot of you have
00:21:31
to file, and then mince. If your pack changes from city
00:21:34
or county, to State. Like, there's all these legal
00:21:36
things there and so it's, it's now a state pack and he's had to
00:21:40
amend that and he has. Yeah, yeah.
00:21:43
That that we is a good thing to clarify.
00:21:45
It's not like nefarious, if you're changing the name of a
00:21:48
pack, a lot of people do because if the cause that they were
00:21:52
going for ended or like it was an initiative and you'll see
00:21:56
that a lot with like General purpose packs where they're like
00:22:00
they were started for one initiative and then that
00:22:02
initiative ended. So they're like okay we're just
00:22:04
going to rename it and move on to the next initiative which is
00:22:07
very common. So like I think if someone wants
00:22:11
to correct me in the chat, like I think the recall group change
00:22:15
their name to something else because there's no longer recall
00:22:18
but they're now something else. So, I think that doesn't mean
00:22:21
they're trying to be like nefarious or Shady.
00:22:23
It just means that they kept changing names to keep up with
00:22:27
what their purpose. It wouldn't make sense to keep
00:22:29
calling something like the recall cow or recall Gavin.
00:22:32
Newsom if there's no recall for Gavin news that good 26 to
00:22:37
recall him. People be like, I don't think
00:22:40
there's a recall going on but we're still going to keep at it.
00:22:44
So anyway, this this article and I would highly suggest people
00:22:48
check this article out again, it's going to be in the show
00:22:50
notes. I'll make sure to detail all the
00:22:52
show notes when they come out reform, California is a
00:22:56
general-purpose political committee.
00:22:57
Meaning it Doesn't exist. Simply to oppose or support a
00:23:00
single candidate or ballot measure the group raises and
00:23:03
spends money on multiple issues at a time.
00:23:05
Demaio has a knack for guiding it to the issues.
00:23:09
At the center of the state's conservative movement as the gas
00:23:12
tax. Repeal heated up and made the
00:23:14
ballot as 2018 prop 6. The idea wasn't just that
00:23:18
Republicans could defeat the tax increase but that doing so would
00:23:22
Galvanize voters and be the rising tide to lift all the
00:23:25
other Republican boats on the bout.
00:23:26
It didn't work out like that. That voters shot down the
00:23:29
referendum and Republicans across the State lost once safe
00:23:33
seats. But when the year ended De
00:23:35
Mayo's group, had put itself in a strong financial footing, it
00:23:38
ended the year with 405 in the bank.
00:23:42
So this was one of those things we were talking about earlier a
00:23:46
couple hours ago is Carl, demaio and reform, California.
00:23:55
Put themselves out there as if they were part of or at Least
00:23:58
the spearhead of this gas tax repeal.
00:24:02
They were not. It was not his initiative.
00:24:06
It was not something, he started, it's not something that
00:24:09
he was behind. It's not like he gathered.
00:24:12
All of the signature is, it wasn't like he got all the
00:24:15
volunteers for prop 6. But if you go to different parts
00:24:19
of his website for reform, California, there's pictures of
00:24:23
him with signs behind them showing?
00:24:27
Yes, on Six. He's like got a bus and
00:24:30
everything. So that's one thing right off
00:24:34
the bat, that you can see. There's a little bit of
00:24:37
opportunism there when it comes to Carl demaio.
00:24:40
This was a big issue. The gas tax.
00:24:42
Repeal is probably the most contentious vote at that time.
00:24:48
He kind of piggyback off of that with reform, California made it
00:24:52
sound like he had a lot to do with it.
00:24:55
And when he went from his looked at twenty six thousand dollars
00:24:59
in the bank, two years later to four hundred five thousand
00:25:02
dollars in the bank, that seems like it was a pretty lucrative,
00:25:04
piggyback ride correct. Yeah.
00:25:09
That's I mean as we have a pack that's that's a lot of money.
00:25:13
That is a lot of money. Did we find out who actually
00:25:17
started prop 6? No.
00:25:22
No. But it wasn't Carl, demaio.
00:25:23
We know that for sure. Right.
00:25:26
Right? Was he primary funder of it?
00:25:32
No. And you would say, let's go
00:25:34
through the funding of it. Yeah, do you want to go into
00:25:38
like the funny you sent it to me like an hour ago about how much
00:25:43
was raised, and how much he actually spent for prop 6?
00:25:49
well, what I saw was reformed California Donated 10
00:25:55
dollars. But then when I started going
00:25:58
through his finances for this is for 2017 to 2019 financials,
00:26:03
there was definitely a lot. He spent a lot of money that
00:26:05
year for those two years. There was definitely a lot of
00:26:09
money spent on mailers and postage.
00:26:15
I think even people possibly signature collecting and stuff.
00:26:19
So I was confused about that which I think I said that
00:26:22
specifically to you. going back because I said like, I'm a kike
00:26:29
said I'm actually confused because looking at reform
00:26:31
California that same time period which then I sent you a link of
00:26:34
the disbursements. There was a lot of outgoing
00:26:36
money for the payee was the gas tax.
00:26:40
Repeal and so I don't know if there was two different funds.
00:26:47
That's where it gets confusing. Yeah guys.
00:26:50
All right, over sound like an idiot on here but there's there
00:26:52
is a lot going on, right? That's the last link.
00:26:56
I sent you on text. Got it.
00:26:58
Yeah I'm looking at it right now.
00:27:00
A lot of guys tax repeal yeah. Sorry to everybody we literally
00:27:05
this was a seven exactly at 7 p.m. like an hour before the
00:27:10
show. As I'm trying to do, make a,
00:27:13
he's trying to eat and I'm like sending him like look at this.
00:27:17
So did it. So this gas tax repeal was this
00:27:19
the actual group gas tax? Repeal?
00:27:23
I don't for a fact. Okay so he may have spent all
00:27:27
our money on it but as we don't know who this guy's tax repeal
00:27:30
necessarily is but he did spend a lot of money on it.
00:27:36
It looks like it looks like it looks like, but in the end, he
00:27:41
wasn't the person behind. It wasn't his ballot initiative.
00:27:48
So in the initiative, He says they've backed a whole bunch of
00:27:57
anti-tax initiatives on his sight.
00:28:00
He said, like over, is this a like 300 or something?
00:28:04
I mean, there's a new one every day tax hike proposal has
00:28:07
defeated over 300 tax hike, proposals on the ballot saving
00:28:10
California's over thirty two billion dollars.
00:28:13
He doesn't list what those 300 tax.
00:28:16
Hike proposals were and how specifically reform, California
00:28:19
actually defeated them. He did talk about About the
00:28:23
successful because their stuff is a sin in 2018 reform,
00:28:27
California collected. Over 1 million signatures to
00:28:29
qualify prop 6, the gas tax, repeal initiative and 2022
00:28:32
collected. Over 1.4 million signatures to
00:28:35
qualify the California taxpayer protection act, but he does not
00:28:41
say how he beat 300 tax hike, proposals on the ballot saving
00:28:44
32 billion dollars, I would feel like if you had the evidence
00:28:48
that you actually did that, you could you'd be able to show that
00:28:51
but Anyway, moving back to this article because there is a lot
00:28:56
of stuff in this article. I want to get to because there's
00:28:59
other stuff that they talk about, someone says quote.
00:29:05
The thing about the gas tax is it wasn't supposed just supposed
00:29:08
to Win. It was supposed to carry people
00:29:09
with it said and Dunsmore a longtime Republican political
00:29:12
operative and campaign manager for Rescue California.
00:29:15
One of the groups leading the effort to recall Gavin Newsom,
00:29:17
it didn't win and we lost a lot of seats.
00:29:19
I think that was the beginning of the end of his credibility.
00:29:24
But it wasn't because reform California continued to get more
00:29:29
bigger and bigger and rake in more donations, to do up and
00:29:34
down the state, conservative, operatives are complaining that
00:29:36
the myo is sucking up. Resources intended to remove
00:29:39
Newsom to promote himself. And said, you see this pattern
00:29:43
quote, this is a quote, you see, all this this pattern over a
00:29:45
six-year period where he makes all these promises and ends up
00:29:48
in the campaign not using all the money, he has a profit and
00:29:52
moves on to the next Campaign, Jim Les, see a lawyer whose firm
00:29:55
focuses on allegations of election and nonprofit law.
00:29:59
He was a California delegate to the Republican national
00:30:01
conventions of nineties cares. That was yes, on 6 which lost in
00:30:05
the funds. He didn't spend, could have been
00:30:07
precious help to pass the initiative demaio and reform
00:30:11
California's unofficial involvement.
00:30:13
In the recall comes fresh off a silicone which is conservative
00:30:15
critics thought they saw that 2018 Dynamic play out again.
00:30:20
Pop up. I'm trying to get to the quote
00:30:24
about recall. That's not what I'm looking for.
00:30:34
As Lacey's just reform, California is operating legally.
00:30:37
Its official documents made clear.
00:30:38
Its donors are contributing to any of the key causes it adopts.
00:30:41
And its website runs a tally of the active campaigns whether
00:30:44
recalling news and recalling School Board member or pursuing
00:30:47
election Integrity. But, but there's a long article,
00:30:52
so I apologize. I probably should have taken
00:30:55
this out and highlight it. Ah, here we go.
00:30:58
But the chief proponents and this is going going into the
00:31:01
recall. So this was another thing, there
00:31:02
was the gas tax and then there was the recall which are two
00:31:05
things that reform, California raised a ton of money on.
00:31:08
There were a lot of mailers, there's a lot of text messages
00:31:10
that basically said, reform, California, had a bigger role or
00:31:14
at least LED people to believe they had a bigger role in these
00:31:16
things, especially the recall initiative, which I know left
00:31:21
the actual guys or inherently and Mike, Netter a little
00:31:26
perturbed about it and the article says, but the Opponents
00:31:32
or in a mic of recall. Gavin Newsom said they received
00:31:34
very little help from Cut reform California's to 100 dollars
00:31:37
in spending quote. We really don't know what their
00:31:41
motivation is and we don't know what they're spending donations
00:31:44
on or to the great degree of assistance.
00:31:46
They may feel they've given the recall itself.
00:31:49
But in reality if that money had come to the recall 2020 team, we
00:31:52
could have utilized it to a specific purpose to greatly
00:31:55
benefit. The recall my thought is the
00:31:57
money is going to outside organizations or effort.
00:32:00
That are not directly involved in the actual recall that it
00:32:03
diverts money away from the campaign into their own personal
00:32:06
interest. The recall campaign used a
00:32:10
normal letter, blah, blah, blah, reforms circulated their own
00:32:15
PDF. Another said they received about
00:32:18
700 signatures from reform California. 700 signatures, they
00:32:21
ended up not submitting at all because they believe the address
00:32:24
change on the reform. California petitions with lead,
00:32:26
the Secretary of State to invalidate the signatures are
00:32:29
mailroom, still has them. Hadley said he provided no
00:32:33
signatures officially. So just a little snapshot of
00:32:39
sort of the stuff that he kind of piggybacks off of, which is
00:32:42
sort of the mo of Reform. California.
00:32:46
Is that if there, Cause and this is what this article is really
00:32:48
saying is if there's a cause that sort of the hot button
00:32:51
issue in California politics, you can bet reform.
00:32:54
California is going to jump on it and act as if they are
00:33:00
Central to this whole purpose, what are your thoughts?
00:33:06
It right here, click bait. Okay.
00:33:09
Mmm he often introduces new initiatives and it's all the
00:33:12
same pack and that's that's fine but it's like any little thing
00:33:16
that's kind of current. He suddenly has a website for
00:33:20
its on reform California and it's just like if you don't want
00:33:23
this or let's fight this and it's there's you go to space
00:33:27
news, it just like I said it's just click bait to me.
00:33:29
There's so much to emotionally, pull you in.
00:33:34
And and it, I did read that article that you just read, but
00:33:38
I've also spoken to several people you and I have been
00:33:41
talking to people for probably two or three months about this
00:33:45
episode in this issue. And a lot of people who are in
00:33:48
San Diego and we're firsthand working, the recall have said to
00:33:53
both of us, he didn't put the money where he said it was going
00:33:57
the money. Never went to the recall, or
00:33:59
only of small fraction of it went to the recall.
00:34:02
Yeah, and so, this isn't even like we're hearing this one's,
00:34:05
you know, two people in this article.
00:34:07
But I've heard this now from so many people in San Diego, and
00:34:12
I'm sure you living down there. Have to, oh yeah.
00:34:16
I've heard plenty of people who feel like they put in, or they
00:34:23
They feel like he's supposed to help out a lot but a lot of
00:34:27
people don't necessarily see a lot of help from him but they
00:34:31
know he raises a ton of money which if you look at his filings
00:34:36
yeah he does raise a ton of money and we'll get to that in a
00:34:39
second about this life cycle and how much money he raised and how
00:34:44
much, how little he actually spent.
00:34:46
And yeah, I mean I'm looking at it right now and this was in the
00:34:51
2019 2020. 20 Cycle and there are like individual candidates
00:34:57
on here, but if you look at it, there's, they're not big donut.
00:35:03
They're not big, spend atures, right?
00:35:06
Like they're $216 for Melanie Burke hold.
00:35:11
So like a cake. Yeah, like it's the smaller
00:35:16
amounts. I'm not really sure what they're
00:35:18
all Apollo witsel. Who is now the the chair of the
00:35:20
San Diego, Republican, party 216.
00:35:25
You can just keep kind of going down seeing I'm trying to look
00:35:28
at he supported some other things.
00:35:31
Prop 20, he's supported by spending eighty seven dollars.
00:35:37
I don't know how much. Measure a, he spent 7999.
00:35:44
Okay. Also I'm not sure.
00:35:48
Is this the 2019 2020 with that? Be the year?
00:35:51
No. Yeah, 2019 2020.
00:35:54
Or was it 2021 was the recall? Well we were hyping up the
00:35:57
recall in 2020, right? And it's 2019 as well and then
00:36:02
it became official. Of course, with the signatures
00:36:05
in the spring of 2021. Right.
00:36:09
Okay, so he did give money to recall.
00:36:13
Gavin Newsom, sixty thousand dollars reform.
00:36:17
Local government pack, he gave 45 dollars.
00:36:22
I don't know what now, isn't it? Were, I believe reform.
00:36:25
Local government. Pack is one of his packs.
00:36:29
Is that, is that a federal pack or a state pack?
00:36:33
I think it's local pack or it's a state pack.
00:36:37
Because I did look at one of his emails and it did bring up
00:36:39
reform, local government pack 25 dollars.
00:36:45
And and we'll get into this a little bit because I want to
00:36:47
show, we can pull this up onto the screen and show exactly how
00:36:52
much he spent see. We haven't even gotten to the
00:36:55
federal packs yet. Yeah, there's Federal packs.
00:36:59
So it gets a little bit. It gets a little, even more
00:37:02
crazy. He did give a lot to recall,
00:37:05
Gavin Newsom. But like the article said a
00:37:07
hundred thousand dollars, he's not really sure where it went or
00:37:12
how it helped. So, if the people who were
00:37:14
behind the recall and were really the heads of the recall,
00:37:19
said he supposedly donated 100 thousand dollars to this recall,
00:37:22
Gavin Newsom effort, but we never really understood where it
00:37:25
went. Then did he really actually
00:37:28
support the recall? It becomes a bigger question.
00:37:30
Where did that money go? If he's trying to recall Gavin
00:37:33
Newsom, why wouldn't you give it to the organization that is
00:37:36
fighting to recall Gavin Newsom, right, right.
00:37:44
I'm just trying to look at a whole bunch of other things.
00:37:49
Anyway, we can we can spend all night going over all these
00:37:53
financials. Let's see.
00:37:55
But the bigger thing about recall or reform California that
00:37:59
we want to get into and actually, this might be a good
00:38:02
time to bring it up. Let me check my show notes
00:38:04
because we have a flow to the show.
00:38:06
Believe It or Not, folks, we do have a flow, we did the show.
00:38:10
We did, we did we had a we had an idealistic idea I want to
00:38:16
talk about. Let's see, 20 21.
00:38:20
Let's go with general information.
00:38:22
And I want to pull this up to see so people can see it for
00:38:26
themselves because I want you to see.
00:38:29
I want people to see the number themselves, so they don't think
00:38:31
that I'm actually that that I'm necessarily making this up.
00:38:38
This is the information from 2021 to 2022.
00:38:43
If you look down here, it shows total contributions key total
00:38:50
expenditures. contributions was 1.1 contributions from this
00:38:57
period 153 And one for unite expenditures from spear.
00:39:05
So there was still contributions from 20:22 from this period.
00:39:13
And then, so he ended the whole cycle with 1 million dollars on
00:39:20
hand. Now, why is that in my mind
00:39:24
significant, if it doesn't look like total expenditures 149?
00:39:31
Why does this seem significant to me?
00:39:36
If you're looking at this and go?
00:39:38
What's significant about, why he has a million dollars left on
00:39:41
hand after 20, 21 and 22? 22 22. 22 was a midterm election
00:39:47
year where we were supposed to have a red wave tsunami of
00:39:53
Republicans. And most organizations even the
00:39:58
California GOP in the California Democratic party.
00:40:02
Basically went all out during midterm.
00:40:04
Election spent basically everything they had during
00:40:07
midterm elections and ended with maybe two hundred thousand
00:40:10
dollars left in the bank if that maybe a little less, but to end
00:40:15
a midterm election cycle with a million dollars left in the
00:40:19
bank. suggest that you're not spending as much as you possibly
00:40:24
can to help Republicans when those seats and that is a little
00:40:31
shocking and really dollars could have really influenced Two
00:40:36
to three seats and we needed three seats.
00:40:40
Exactly. Yeah, that's and not only that,
00:40:42
even as a state pack, how much could a million dollars, helped
00:40:46
a lot of assembly races or state races.
00:40:48
What's it got? No.
00:40:49
So I'm saying like it could have been extremely influential in
00:40:55
two to three months and it's not like he doesn't have the
00:40:59
wherewithal to raise that money again because he's shown then
00:41:02
yes, he has proven that he can raise money over the years.
00:41:05
Ears right? And and it just comes off to me
00:41:09
in a midterm election year. It comes all very odd that
00:41:13
someone would have that much money left on hand and not be
00:41:17
spending every single if it was really important to fight
00:41:20
because that's what a pack is for, your whole reason, for
00:41:24
having a pack is to help in these political races in these
00:41:26
political causes. If you had the wind at your back
00:41:31
in, this was supposed to be the big change.
00:41:36
Everyone was expecting was gonna be a huge Red Wave and instead
00:41:40
we are kind of waiting till the last minute to figure out
00:41:42
whether California pulled through with congressional seats
00:41:45
to even when the house, you would think that that sentiment
00:41:50
you would ride that and say, okay, we can get a lot more
00:41:53
people elected. We can get a lot more
00:41:54
initiatives passed and this is it this is what you create a
00:41:58
pack for you. Create a pack for this one
00:42:00
reason which is to make a big difference and to sit on an end.
00:42:05
Up with a million dollars is. I don't know.
00:42:10
It's kind of crazy to me to think and if you look at, you
00:42:14
can look at the expenditures. That were made.
00:42:18
And now we can get into the nitty-gritty and this will lead
00:42:21
into our next point which is my pull the screen up again.
00:42:26
Okay. While you pull the screen up on
00:42:28
a plug, our pack Cal Publican could use a million dollars so
00:42:31
if anyone's listening we will absolutely put that towards
00:42:35
flipping seeds in California. You want to send us a million
00:42:38
dollars. We will not sit on it.
00:42:42
So this is the expenditures. I don't know if people can see
00:42:45
this. What does it go?
00:42:48
I don't know how big it is for everyone else.
00:42:51
Can I zoom in a little bit view? How do I zoom in?
00:42:55
Here we go. I don't know how to do something
00:43:00
you don't are using a Mac fan blows.
00:43:03
Okay. Okay.
00:43:05
So Capitol media. Mmm, Capitol media, Capital
00:43:11
media, who is capital media? That becomes the question.
00:43:18
Honestly, the question I still have after hours and weeks of
00:43:25
research, I still don't know who Capitol media is?
00:43:30
Do you? Well, I believe in this is, I
00:43:35
think this is the site. They win the toughest fights.
00:43:39
Oh, Do they have a picture of a guy with wrapped up hands to
00:43:44
show that they win the toughest fights?
00:43:45
And the the the tape is red because well conservative I'm
00:43:50
going to finally sleep tonight. Now, you know exactly what to
00:43:54
do. In fact they develop I'm going
00:43:56
to I'm going to do you one better, they develop creative,
00:44:00
comprehensive solutions for campaign management, crisis
00:44:02
Communications fundraising digital strategy data
00:44:05
micro-targeting and Grassroots activation so, in English
00:44:09
Chocolate, We supposedly run your campaign for you and your
00:44:18
your digital marketing. Okay, we're a team of National
00:44:22
Communications fundraising campaign.
00:44:24
Full service digital Fighters. We provide strategic employees.
00:44:30
Don't they have employees six? Six simple.
00:44:33
Yeah, but maybe they're spread out all over the place.
00:44:35
Maybe one employee is in different spots regions.
00:44:39
Yes. Okay, I'm saying six employees
00:44:42
because I looked up there. PVP loan forgiveness.
00:44:45
And it showed that they have six employees.
00:44:47
That's where I'm getting that number from to clarify, right?
00:44:51
You look that up. How much did they get in PPP
00:44:54
loans? 49.
00:44:57
For payroll and it's it showed they have six employees.
00:45:04
So this is it, this is basically the whole site and their
00:45:07
featured clients are the performance Institute, which is
00:45:11
the company that he sold. I'll look reform.
00:45:13
California, Carl demaio for congress?
00:45:17
Yes, on six. So those are their big clients.
00:45:23
It looks like a third of them are associated with Carl demaio.
00:45:27
Okay? They have offices there that
00:45:30
their Nationwide, but their offices are only in San Diego,
00:45:32
LA and not. Introducing Washington.
00:45:34
See is DC is far from here that could be National correctly and
00:45:38
all their probably have two people these office.
00:45:40
So, so that's it for like the site.
00:45:44
Like, it doesn't tell you who actually works there, but you
00:45:48
did. You could research who owns
00:45:52
Capitol media. David McCollough.
00:45:56
So you say it's last name, David McCullough, and David McCullough
00:46:02
was the spokesman for Carl demaio.
00:46:06
Hmm, several years ago now, I think this is the correct.
00:46:11
I'm pulling up the board. Now this is another Foundation,
00:46:16
this is called to Mi nonprofit. This is my experience the
00:46:20
transparency Foundation. I'll I'm not sure.
00:46:24
I don't know what the transparency Foundation does,
00:46:27
what it are they supposed to be? What are they providing?
00:46:30
That is. Well, it's a, they're informing
00:46:34
empowering and advocating. now, for the transparency, the making
00:46:39
public institutions more transparent and accountable to
00:46:44
the people, they serve Right? Yeah, I don't know what they
00:46:51
are. I don't know really what else to
00:46:52
do. It's a non-profit and they're
00:46:55
fairly new so there's not any financials available yet.
00:46:59
I always look for profit financials.
00:47:01
Those are Super. So we have call demise chairman
00:47:06
CEO. Nothing wrong.
00:47:07
There you can be the chairman of a pack and the chairman of a
00:47:10
non-profit, nothing wrong there. Dave McCullough, who is the
00:47:15
owner of Capitol media because remember Carl is not the owner
00:47:21
of Capitol media. But Dave McCall is the owner of
00:47:26
Capitol media, then we have Jordan, Kerr, not Dylan.
00:47:30
Martin these names will start to look familiar after a while.
00:47:35
now, if we go over to reform California, Here's Carl with
00:47:40
this. Yes.
00:47:40
On six, I took these pictures. I always all the top and they
00:47:46
look the same. Sorry, not trying to ruin your
00:47:49
surprise there. Your big moment.
00:47:52
Oh, here it is. I went up when I was supposed to
00:47:54
go down. Oh look at that.
00:47:57
Oh my gosh, like a copy and paste.
00:47:59
It almost looks like a copy and paste.
00:48:01
I would say they didn't even change the style of how they
00:48:05
were doing their boards. Great.
00:48:08
It's almost like they said, hey, we love this style.
00:48:11
Let's just keep this style, I guess, who knows?
00:48:15
Again, there's nothing wrong with necessarily being involved
00:48:19
with a non-profit in a pack, there are a lot of nonprofit.
00:48:23
What's that? I said, are we starting a
00:48:25
non-profit? We're not starting a non-profit.
00:48:27
That's not what I'm trying to say.
00:48:29
There are a lot of nonprofits that Start packs because they
00:48:31
want to have like a political action wing of what the
00:48:35
nonprofits do. But David McCullough is the
00:48:38
president of Reform California. So, David McCullough is the
00:48:43
president of Reform California. He's also the owner of Capitol
00:48:46
media. Are we starting to see a little
00:48:50
bit of a veterinarian? Let's see.
00:48:55
And then we have just just got really interesting.
00:48:58
Jordan Garnett do Martin. Yeah, it's all the same people
00:49:00
all over again. All right, let's go back to
00:49:03
that's not what I was looking for snow reform, California.
00:49:06
Let's go back to this past cycle. if you look at
00:49:12
expenditures, Capital media fifty thousand dollars, you can
00:49:18
just search if I pay you real quick, Well, I want to go to a
00:49:21
guy like doing by a map so I could look a reform local
00:49:25
government pack which I still believe is Carl demaio SPAC
00:49:28
forty five thousand dollars. So, moving money around City
00:49:32
cards, which I looked up. These are basically a lot of
00:49:38
text messaging and digital advertising.
00:49:42
So if you signed up for anything reform, California related, you
00:49:45
get 1000 text messages and emails Capitol media, 29
00:49:49
dollars, Capital media, Capital media, what?
00:49:54
What is for the people listening and not seeing what it, what is
00:50:00
he paying capital media for this one?
00:50:04
He's paying for email marketing. Okay, this one is c Schedule.
00:50:09
G4 pays reaching you'd have to pull up their this campaign,
00:50:13
Consultants campaign management 25 dollars, Capital media.
00:50:20
See scheduled G for disclosure Kappa Capitol media campaign
00:50:25
management. Let's see, in been independent
00:50:30
expenditure Capital media. Capital media is independent
00:50:33
expenditure. More City cards, which you have
00:50:38
to go through their filings and see what they're spending on,
00:50:40
probably more digital marketing and advertising also so far,
00:50:45
you're not really seeing a lot of expenditures outside of just
00:50:48
Capitol media at this point, right?
00:50:51
It's basically all capital media and those are some chunks of
00:50:56
money there. That's those are some big chunks
00:50:59
of money. 20 18 20. That a so it does add up.
00:51:10
So the thing about this, why is this a big issue Capitol media
00:51:16
is a private company which means they don't have to disclose pull
00:51:20
this away for a second. They don't have to disclose what
00:51:24
their money's going to write. So reform, California takes in
00:51:29
the money. and they taken the money and they shovel it off to
00:51:35
Capitol media and corporate to do what We don't know because
00:51:43
there's not really anything they have to file or anything.
00:51:45
We know about Capital media you said you did a little research
00:51:49
in terms of Capitol media, like who's used Capitol Media or paid
00:51:54
Capitol media, correct, right. And what kinda The majority of
00:52:02
payments that Capital media receives is the San Diego,
00:52:06
Republican party, and reform California.
00:52:10
There is a small handful of other candidates who have spent
00:52:15
small amounts to Capitol media here and there, sprinkled
00:52:19
throughout. But the big majority of Capitol
00:52:21
media payments are the Republican party of San Diego.
00:52:27
And then anything Carl demaio his pack.
00:52:31
And the same is on the federal website, the FEC website as
00:52:35
well. Which again, we haven't even
00:52:38
gone into the FEC. I don't know if we're gonna have
00:52:40
time, but and I want to point out something that there is, I'm
00:52:46
sorry. I want to make sure I get this
00:52:47
correct. There is, if you're going to
00:52:51
look this up for yourself, people listening.
00:52:54
Mmm. Hold on.
00:52:56
I'm catching up on all the chats because I've been so busy
00:52:58
looking at the web pages when I don't even remember it.
00:53:02
Oh, there. Okay.
00:53:03
So Capital there's Capital media Inc.
00:53:06
Incorporated. Which is current and started in
00:53:11
June 2019, that's current. There is Capitol Media Partners
00:53:16
DC LLC, which is also David McCullough, but it is.
00:53:21
No, they he dissolved it in 2017.
00:53:24
I'm sorry 20:22, Incorporated, it in 2017.
00:53:28
So he ran that. That one for.
00:53:29
I don't know why the name change?
00:53:31
I'm not saying there's something there, I'm curious, but Not,
00:53:35
it's not even a name change, he just dissolved the company but
00:53:38
then started Capitol media Incorporated.
00:53:41
There is now this is capital with an ol because there is a
00:53:45
capital with an Al out there. That is no longer existence and
00:53:49
that was Richard Grinnell had that for a short time so it does
00:53:52
get very confusing. If you start looking into all
00:53:55
that I want to clarify. There's three different
00:53:57
companies, two of them are David.
00:53:59
David's company that is being paid primarily by reform
00:54:05
California. So David McCall is sort of all
00:54:10
at the center of this Yes, he would be the ringleader in the
00:54:15
circus. Like standing in the middle of
00:54:16
all the three ring. Circus, sure.
00:54:22
That's one way to put it. I'm trying to pull up follow the
00:54:24
money but for some reason they're not working right now?
00:54:27
What I'm trying to show If I could, and I probably should
00:54:31
have got this ready beforehand, but we were talking about this
00:54:35
before that. There's a lot of stuff that
00:54:37
like, because it doesn't you don't see a lot of where the
00:54:41
money is going to, in terms of like, who's paying capital
00:54:46
media, because you can look up like, payees of who's receiving
00:54:50
money, just by a quick search. And you can look up like,
00:54:53
Capitol media. And you said, you didn't see a
00:54:54
lot of candidates necessarily. Like, it wasn't a lot of
00:54:57
candidates and that's their whole thing is, Their campaign
00:54:59
management and their candidate research.
00:55:04
But if you looked up something like Arsenal media, you would
00:55:08
probably see hundreds of candidates who are using or
00:55:14
Regional media is a payee. And if you don't know what
00:55:16
Arsenal media is, Arsenal media is a group that does all those
00:55:22
walking through a neighborhood, tough.
00:55:25
Commercials or ads, you know, you've seen Kim Classic.
00:55:29
The Joe Collins ads where they're walking through their
00:55:31
neighborhood and they're like, hey, I care about this
00:55:33
neighborhood Bubba blah, Lauren bober was another person of our
00:55:37
social media, they charge a pretty penny but their stuff
00:55:40
works. So that's probably why people
00:55:42
pay somebody asked in the chat. Wonder if those City card
00:55:47
payments were for software or to a media company.
00:55:49
Providing for quote text Services.
00:55:52
Huh. Yeah, I mean, I looked up in
00:55:54
Schedule C. A lot of what those City card
00:55:56
payments were for were text and digital marketing. so, I don't
00:56:06
know why. Follow the money is not working
00:56:07
right now, and it's really frustrating me.
00:56:10
But, anyway, so we're starting to see how reform California is
00:56:14
really at the center of all of this.
00:56:19
In terms of how much they're making, how much they're making,
00:56:23
how much they're bringing in, and how little, they're really
00:56:25
kind of spending on terms of what the goal of perform
00:56:29
California is one thing I did want to bring up and let me see
00:56:33
if I can pull this up right away.
00:56:36
Remember, let's go back to what Carl is running for now.
00:56:43
If we go but all the way back to the beginning, the show Carl
00:56:45
demaio is running for Central Committee.
00:56:48
Yes let me pull this up again. Do do do. so, I do subscribe to
00:56:59
call to my eyes emails because I like to say what he's asking for
00:57:04
because I'm interested in following what his reform
00:57:06
California is doing. There is an email and I'm not
00:57:10
going to show you the email because I'll have my personal
00:57:11
information, I don't want. All you guys, blasting my
00:57:14
personal information. If you want to email California
00:57:18
underground at proton mail.com, you can go there in email, email
00:57:21
your heart out. If you go there, there is a
00:57:25
specific email that just went out.
00:57:27
Out, quite literally yesterday that said, hey, there's a flood
00:57:31
of democratic cash and we need to fight it.
00:57:35
I need you to help. I need you to help me fight
00:57:38
back, and we need to fight back against the Democrats.
00:57:41
In fact, actually, let me just pull it up and read it because I
00:57:44
can pull it up and read it. Hold, please.
00:57:49
I want to give a shout-out to the chat right now because it's
00:57:53
going absolutely Bonkers and people are loving this stuff.
00:57:56
Oh, that's what was slung. It says we've got a big problem
00:58:00
on our hands last Thursday. The house Democrats.
00:58:02
Super PAC announced it will flood California with 35 million
00:58:05
dollars to begin campaigns on the ground.
00:58:07
This year to flip five House Seats currently held by
00:58:09
California Republicans. But Papa while 35 million
00:58:14
dollars a lot of money and 20 trade to.
00:58:16
We overcame the Democrats Financial blah blah blah.
00:58:19
Since the Democrats are making it early play for California
00:58:22
seats, we must respond in kind by immediately.
00:58:24
Mobilizing our local County, Republican party, committees,
00:58:26
and groups start talking to swing voters.
00:58:30
We cannot mobilize this effort alone.
00:58:32
We need your help in the fight. Would you contribute securely
00:58:35
win seats in 2024? What does that sound like?
00:58:40
He's trying to do. When seats?
00:58:45
In 2024. But what seats?
00:58:52
I'm shrugging my shoulders. So if you click on the link that
00:58:56
says contribute securely, you see this nice little graphic,
00:59:00
Carl, demaio perform California reform, California is the name
00:59:04
of his pack. Correct also.
00:59:08
Yeah, I want to go back to this, hold on.
00:59:12
I believe if it says, I want to make sure I get this right
00:59:16
because I don't want to get this wrong.
00:59:19
God forbid. It signs off.
00:59:23
Honorable Carl. First off Just, just stop it
00:59:28
with the honorable, Carl demaio, you haven't been elected to
00:59:31
office in over 10 years. You don't need to be called
00:59:34
honorable anymore. Identifies is Honorable if you
00:59:39
identify honorable Carl demaio chairman of Reform California.
00:59:44
So he's admitting in his email, that he's the chairman of
00:59:47
Reform, California, they are intertwined.
00:59:50
When you click on it, you get this message.
00:59:53
That says, hey do you want to donate contribute to fight?
00:59:56
To take back, California. 100 stay right here in California.
01:00:02
Plus we use our monthly fundraising reports to seek
01:00:04
matching funds from National donors to help to fight here in
01:00:08
California, join the fight. No, I'm not making a joke, I'm
01:00:13
sorry. But as much as I've combed over
01:00:15
the financials, what who's the matching donors?
01:00:17
Because I haven't seen that. He never tells you who the
01:00:20
matching donors are, okay, I'ma have to look.
01:00:23
And, and it's important to note that there are campaign limits
01:00:29
on how much you can spend. So you can't match every
01:00:31
donation. If that makes sense.
01:00:34
So there are limits on how much you can actually match.
01:00:40
Join the fight to take back, California, contribute, whatever
01:00:43
you can today. So at this point, if you were
01:00:46
someone who has been following Carl demaio you love Carl,
01:00:49
demaio you go? I know he's in your mind and in
01:00:54
your opinion you think he's doing a great job, fighting the
01:00:58
good fight. You look at this, you see called
01:01:01
Mi reform, California. The email says The Honorable
01:01:04
Carl demaio chairman of Reform, California.
01:01:07
He's talking about flipping seats in California.
01:01:10
Help us fight back and take back California.
01:01:13
Who do you think you're donating to?
01:01:16
I feel like I would be donated to a state candidate.
01:01:22
Whether I mean, whether it's a local ones school board or, you
01:01:27
know, County supervisor or assembly or Senate.
01:01:31
That's that's how that sounds to me, right?
01:01:33
I mean Wing is a state pack, it's not Congress, right?
01:01:38
But what you think that you're actually donating?
01:01:43
To the Carl demaio for Central Committee, 2024 know.
01:01:47
And I think that 99.5 percent of people don't know what a Central
01:01:52
Committee is. And why he would be why they
01:01:57
would be donating to it. If contributed by check, please
01:02:00
make check out the Carl demaio for Central Committee 2024 So
01:02:06
he's using the reform, California name.
01:02:09
To promote his own candidacy. He's using the packs name and
01:02:15
their legacy to promote his own independent candidacy.
01:02:19
As a candidate, when candidates and packs are not supposed to
01:02:24
supposed to be a wall between candidates impacts that they are
01:02:27
not supposed to coordinate any of their efforts, right?
01:02:32
Okay. So you called me and told me
01:02:35
this, 20, 20 minutes before we talked on here.
01:02:41
So, I didn't have time to look into any of this.
01:02:44
What? This Republican Central
01:02:49
Committee 2024, is there an ID number on this email anywhere?
01:02:57
No, I don't say it was no fppc number, right?
01:03:02
Yes. Okay.
01:03:07
I want, I need to see this whole thing.
01:03:09
I'm sorry. Now, we're like doing this on
01:03:11
here, because here's what I'm looking for to explain to
01:03:14
people. Is this actually going to reform
01:03:19
California? Which then how is he separating
01:03:24
donations? That go to reform, California
01:03:27
versus donations that go to Carl demaio, which again, this is
01:03:30
that's why you're not supposed to mix them, but if it's going
01:03:33
to the same ID number, and so if you like you and I are two
01:03:39
separate people and you are like, I'm going to donate to
01:03:42
reform California and I'm like, I want to donate to Carl demaio
01:03:46
for Central Committee and We each set of 50 dollar check, how
01:03:48
do we know that those fifty dollars?
01:03:50
Go to reform, California, and then the other $50 to go to Carl
01:03:54
demaio for Central Committee. So that's why I want to know
01:03:56
what number, where does this go is there?
01:04:00
Nothing when you nothing? Nothing in the email?
01:04:03
No fine print. No, The last thing in the email
01:04:07
is The Honorable Carl demaio chairman of Reform, California.
01:04:11
You scroll up. I'm not saying that you miss
01:04:14
something. I'm just I truly haven't looked
01:04:17
at this before, like you literally called me and I was
01:04:19
like, okay, do you have a copy of that email and then, that was
01:04:22
the extent of that conversation and so I am now perplexed, okay.
01:04:29
If you start to click on donating money, don't don't
01:04:33
actually donate but you know, like click on this.
01:04:38
Now isn't that illegal? Doesn't there have to be an ID
01:04:41
number in this? I thought every candidacy has to
01:04:45
happen. Fppc number If you're raising
01:04:48
money for political purposes, right?
01:04:50
And that was, I did ask you that question on text.
01:04:53
I don't think you actually understood my question.
01:04:55
No offense, but we're not what I, what I was asking is if
01:04:58
you're running for Central Committee, do you start, is that
01:05:03
an something that you start and fppc ID for like you have to,
01:05:06
you know, we went through the process.
01:05:07
Obviously of you start a campaign.
01:05:10
And you had to file all that. So, little out and you get your
01:05:12
up upto like is that what you do when you're running for Central
01:05:15
Committee? Does anyone in the comments?
01:05:16
No, I don't know anything about running for Central Committee
01:05:21
and raising money math. So that's why I think I asked
01:05:24
you. I post a question probably
01:05:25
confusing when I was like. Do you start and fppc ID number,
01:05:30
or is it just personal funds? Like, if I decide to run for
01:05:34
Central Committee, do I just be like, hey people, can you help
01:05:36
me raise money? And people could you write me
01:05:37
trucks and hope and trust? A user, I doubt that's the case,
01:05:41
but that's what I was asking you to clarify, for me.
01:05:45
Yeah. So there's no fppc ID number on
01:05:47
here. He's using reform, California to
01:05:51
push himself. Mmm.
01:05:54
It's definitely a gray area and that's what's confusing about
01:05:56
it. Is that and that's honestly,
01:06:01
what's confusing is that he puts this reform, California now is
01:06:04
reform, California in this logo, his slogan Or is it reform,
01:06:11
California? The pack that is supporting him
01:06:15
and again number. Yeah, so it is a little
01:06:19
confusing. It does get into this gray area
01:06:22
of like, well, if you were someone who is donating, would
01:06:26
you feel misled by this email? I'm having flashbacks to 2021
01:06:33
when certain people were using misleading at PBC ID numbers to
01:06:37
sell merchandise and we got that shut down real fast.
01:06:41
Right. So yeah, I was one of the first
01:06:45
people I thought of to was if you're deceiving people into.
01:06:49
Well, if you're donating to this, you think you're donating
01:06:52
to a campaign when it's really going into someone's pocket.
01:06:57
Now, I'm not saying it's going into his personal pocket.
01:07:00
My issue bigger, is that he is using reform, California, and
01:07:06
its cash, a with, it's his followers and his donators.
01:07:11
To know gone. I'm sorry.
01:07:15
Well, do you think he's now going to use the transparency
01:07:17
Foundation donations to look into his own reform?
01:07:21
California text messages. So they're more transparent.
01:07:24
So we do you think you'll pay himself to look into himself?
01:07:29
I definitely won't hold my breath on that.
01:07:33
Well, I feel like that's a great way to make money.
01:07:35
You paid yourself to your own campaign.
01:07:38
Now I do wonder if Carl Demaio for Central Committee is going
01:07:43
to use Capital media. Well, of course he is.
01:07:51
But doesn't that create never done anything without using?
01:07:56
Here's the all FEC things. We haven't gotten to everybody.
01:08:00
These are all ID numbers. Yeah, it goes on and on and on.
01:08:07
And as a lot of, if you know that, what's the, the shell game
01:08:10
or they move the thing around and like, if you follow these
01:08:14
packs, they kind of, like, move money from one to another.
01:08:17
Like, you saw that they took money from reform, California
01:08:20
and gave 45 to reform local government pack.
01:08:23
It's like, it kind of, is This shell game where you keep moving
01:08:27
money around and capital media, might be the biggest show,
01:08:30
because as long as you keep funneling money towards Capital
01:08:33
media, no one knows where the money goes and what it's being
01:08:36
he's spent on after that its private money and no one knows
01:08:39
you're just paying capital media.
01:08:42
By the way, I never look stupid or I'm like at my screen going.
01:08:45
What if you're so sorry, watch me Camille.
01:08:52
Everyone's fine desire for the first time.
01:08:55
Don't let me just now like Yeah, so I mean we're almost I think
01:09:04
we're a little over an hour at this point.
01:09:06
I think I feel like we've covered a good amount.
01:09:11
I don't know if anyone has any questions in the chat if they'd
01:09:15
like to ask us because we've covered a fair amount but
01:09:19
there's so much we didn't get to so much.
01:09:22
There is a fair amount if anybody has any questions.
01:09:25
I put that in the chat. We'll try someone said, it's
01:09:31
either going to go to Capitol Media, or it's going to go to
01:09:33
hail media is Hell media still Hale media, still around current
01:09:38
and but he hasn't, I've been watching an, a seems like after
01:09:41
he was kind of like skirt. I thought first time he's, he's
01:09:44
dropped it. I mean, Yeah, because I guess it
01:09:50
looks, it looks more suspicious if you're paying out your
01:09:55
husband's Media company as opposed to your own Media
01:09:59
company. And again, again, allegedly
01:10:02
allegedly, he has something to do with Capitol media.
01:10:05
He may not own it but he may have something to do a capital
01:10:07
media. So they just all work in
01:10:10
conjunction, it's just David. McCullough is the president over
01:10:14
here and then he's also the president over here and he's the
01:10:19
CEO over here. So, you know, I didn't even get
01:10:23
a chance to like, break out my Carl demaio impression
01:10:36
voice. If you haven't listened to Carl
01:10:39
demaio, he's got a let's just say unique tenor to his voice
01:10:44
for for radio. He likes to scream a lot or he
01:10:50
likes to act like he's screaming.
01:10:52
And yeah that's like this righteous for he does this like
01:10:55
righteous indignation when he's like that Democrats have this
01:10:59
plan And they're going to let the homeless showed up.
01:11:07
I'm sorry if that's not even close to, what is MM, his voice
01:11:09
sounds like I was supposed to laugh.
01:11:14
All right, let's see, I'm not checking the chat.
01:11:18
It's blowing up. Thanks to everyone who tuned in
01:11:20
for this later. For those that are listening to
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audio version later like, feel free to come back to YouTube and
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add a comment and maybe we'll check it.
01:11:30
We'll try. We'll do our best.
01:11:33
Yeah. Thanks everyone.
01:11:34
In the tribe who paid attention to this.
01:11:37
Osode there was a lot and there. It's great that everyone kind of
01:11:41
stuck in and followed us. I hope it made sense.
01:11:44
We did our best like before we got on.
01:11:48
It was definitely like we you and I both kind of looked at
01:11:50
each other and said, I hope we get through this as best as we
01:11:54
can, but we're definitely going to do.
01:11:56
I think we should do a follow-up on this whole thing and kind of
01:11:59
keep the keep the pressure on and keep the fire on because the
01:12:06
bigger Listen is is that if there's all these red flags
01:12:10
going on with people who are taking your money, bottom line,
01:12:13
Democrat, Republican, independent, or whatever if
01:12:17
there's people taking your money and they're saying and doing it
01:12:19
for something and they're not doing it for something and it
01:12:21
ends up looking like something else.
01:12:24
That's a red flag and you should let people know.
01:12:27
So if anybody who's listening or following this episode and you
01:12:31
want to share it, definitely share it, definitely let people
01:12:34
know the last thing I did want to share There was this this
01:12:40
video which was reffered to us, it's actually pretty funny, it's
01:12:45
from old mayor, Jerry Sanders and this is him talking about
01:12:51
Carl demaio and this may be a good way to kind of like wrap up
01:12:54
the entire show. So do do do, do and I apologize
01:12:59
because the only person who posted this video, the specific
01:13:02
video was Nathan Fletcher. So This is not an endorsement of
01:13:09
Nathan Fletcher, I look who's behind them.
01:13:12
Future mayor Todd Gloria. That should be a whole nother
01:13:15
episode, all right. Let's make sure the sounds on.
01:13:22
Carl takes credit on, putting me on it, he probably takes credit
01:13:24
for my weight loss, by takes credit for the weeds.
01:13:28
I pulled in the backyard last week's all bullshit.
01:13:30
He's never voted for a budget. Didn't vote for retiree
01:13:33
Healthcare savings didn't vote for any of those things because
01:13:35
it might have muddied up his political calculations for
01:13:39
mayor. I want to be very clear that
01:13:41
that one council member has to have Doom and Gloom in order to
01:13:44
get elected the mayor. But I'm not buying into that,
01:13:46
and I don't think the people in San Diego are either.
01:13:50
Well, oh God! Take that off.
01:13:53
Oh my gosh! Oh my gosh!
01:13:55
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
01:13:56
I had to expose all of you right now.
01:14:01
Nathan Fletcher for mayor God could you imagine I see Zach in
01:14:05
the in the chat right now is he's probably dying right now.
01:14:08
The I don't you idea where Ledger he's blocking you.
01:14:13
Yeah, I think that's a good way to end it.
01:14:16
It's it from what we've discussed and what we found out.
01:14:20
And again, this is our opinion, most of a lot of the stuff.
01:14:24
What we're talking about is opinion based outside of the
01:14:26
stuff that we showed that, you can go research yourself, you
01:14:30
can go find all. Stuff yourself on Secretary of
01:14:33
State and other places. We didn't even get into the FEC
01:14:36
and all the federal pack stuff. That's a whole.
01:14:39
Yeah, whole episode on whole other shebang about what's going
01:14:42
on. But, you know, my opinion, it
01:14:47
does seem like based on the actions of, like reform,
01:14:50
California, and his pack. He does sort of that, that sort
01:14:56
of his MO is to take credit for stuff that he didn't really have
01:15:00
anything to do. With, and it's a common thing.
01:15:03
Among these grifters, yes, there is a legend legend, grifters,
01:15:09
alleged grifters, we leave. The who has closed almost fell.
01:15:16
An email with a cease and desist letter coming in.
01:15:18
Right now to anything. If there's any of Carl's
01:15:23
attorneys watching this live stream right now, you can send
01:15:27
all Communications to California underground at proton mail.com.
01:15:34
Anyway. Where was I do?
01:15:38
Now, I'm lost. I'm just thinking about Carl De
01:15:40
Mi lawyers right now at 9:20 p.m. on a Tuesday night,
01:15:44
watching our little podcast or it or just Carl.
01:15:48
Demaio pretending to be an attorney writing.
01:15:51
Anything Nathan is from The Honorable for Carl demaio and
01:15:57
you please stop saying I'm a grifter.
01:16:01
Okay. Signed the honorable Carl demaio
01:16:08
chairman of Reform California. Anyway that's not what I was
01:16:14
trying to end on the point is Carl demaio has Camille's lost
01:16:21
it? She's lost it, she's absolutely
01:16:27
lost it. Good night, everybody.
01:16:33
That's how we end the show tonight should be.
01:16:40
All right. I'm gonna get through this even
01:16:42
though Camille's laughing. I thought we were good.
01:16:45
I thought we did well and it, you're just going up to like,
01:16:50
edit this part. That's too late.
01:16:52
It's up on the live now. So, Anyway, quiet, you go ahead.
01:17:01
To finally. To find sum up everything.
01:17:07
The point is That it does seem like there is a pattern of Carl
01:17:13
demaio taking advantage of stuff that he didn't actually start or
01:17:18
is running. And he does do a lot of
01:17:20
piggybacking off bigger causes and it's made quite the name for
01:17:24
reform California and he's got quite the formula down and I
01:17:29
will tip my cap to him, that he knows how to raise money.
01:17:34
Yes, very good. At raising money.
01:17:37
The one thing, That I think because he knows he's good at
01:17:42
raising money. He does have this air about him
01:17:46
in San Diego that he can start to threaten people.
01:17:50
And I think he has this cachet where he thinks because he has
01:17:54
so much money and he's sitting on a million dollars in the bank
01:17:56
that he doesn't spend anyway. So it's not like he's supporting
01:17:59
you anyway or he could, I guess the air of him possibly
01:18:04
supporting you is enough to threaten people and act, like he
01:18:09
pulls all the strings in San Diego County. so, Dot, dot, dot,
01:18:15
dot, dot dot. That's sort of how he is down
01:18:20
here in San Diego. He's become sort of that bully
01:18:25
and San Diego politics, who is known for threatening people.
01:18:33
He knows that if he can raise money, I guess he feels like he
01:18:37
has that power. I don't think that's the way to
01:18:40
kind of build a coalition or build our party or help out the
01:18:43
San Diego County Republicans. But with that said, I think
01:18:49
that's basically his Mo right now is piggybacking.
01:18:52
Off of all this stuff and there's a lot of I wouldn't say
01:18:55
You know, we're not going to say there's anything illegal going
01:18:58
on, but we just spent almost an hour and 15 minutes going over a
01:19:03
ton of red flags in his the number of his different
01:19:07
organizations. Would you say there are a lot of
01:19:10
red flags that we went over or just a couple red flags after
01:19:14
all. This, now that the giggle now
01:19:16
that you don't have to Giggles anymore.
01:19:18
No, I'm not doing. No, I think there's several
01:19:21
several would red flags and I mean genuinely that that email
01:19:25
No, I was not aware of that email.
01:19:27
Thank you through the helm again here.
01:19:29
Like I'm like, wait what? That's another thing.
01:19:31
And then of course, As we keep saying, there's the, uh, PC,
01:19:36
which is that's Federal for for people who don't know what, I
01:19:39
keep throwing up, you see, that's the that's Federal.
01:19:41
We've been talking about his State pack.
01:19:43
California state fact this entire time.
01:19:45
There's many federal things and there's many red flags in there,
01:19:49
too. And so, obviously knowing that
01:19:51
it's like, no, they're, they're just building on each other.
01:19:54
It's It's a fortunately it's not a red wave, it's redflex.
01:20:02
Red flags. Major red flags isn't it's a red
01:20:06
tsunami of red flags. Yeah it's definitely for me
01:20:09
proceed with caution aye-aye. Knowing what I know would not
01:20:13
donate to his campaign. I'm not saying people should not
01:20:17
but just knowing what I know I wouldn't.
01:20:20
Yeah. Do your due diligence at the end
01:20:23
of the day? Anyway, that's it for tonight.
01:20:28
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01:20:33
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01:20:42
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