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On this episode we discuss the recent Flex Alert warnings due to the heat wave and how powerful and clean nuclear energy is and can help solve California's electric problem.
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https://sites.psu.edu/civicenergy/2022/02/14/the-case-for-nuclear-energy/
https://calmatters.org/environment/2022/05/nuclear-power-california/
https://www.nei.org/resources/fact-sheets/nuclear-fast-facts
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the same person. This is the political podcast
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for you. It's the California underground
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podcast. What's going on?
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Good morning everybody. I hope everyone is staying cool.
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In this heat wave, it is not letting up.
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It looks like the rest of the week.
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They have extended the flex alert for all of California for
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the rest of the week. All the way until Friday.
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We're going to talk about that a little bit.
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And we're going to talk about a bunch of things.
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Mostly going to talk about whether or not Gavin.
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Newsom, keep the lights on here in California.
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He dodged a bullet yesterday was able to kind of avoid a lot of
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rolling blackouts. With that emergency alert that
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everybody got on the phone yesterday.
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We were actually at Disneyland yesterday and they didn't really
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seem to be bothered by it. I think Disneyland.
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I don't know if I have to look this up or not, I think
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Disneyland has like their own backup generators or whatever.
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In case, something were to happen, they wouldn't have to
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worry about a loss of power, because as long as you keep
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people in the park rainy, or someone said raining, we're
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riding around those rides and eating.
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Then they're making money and that's the whole point of it.
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They don't want to lose people because if there's no power, no
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one's ride, any rides and everyone leaves the park and
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you're not making any money. So anyway, yeah, there's a lot
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of talk about today Heatwave. What's going on with the
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California? I so what the flex alert means
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and then we're gonna talk more about nuclear energy in sort of
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totality because I always feel like I bring up, I always bring
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up nuclear energy, I always say like nuclear energy if we're
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going to talk about Rate of carbon-based or any sort of
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carbon polluting energy sources. Then we're going to have to talk
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about nuclear and people always seem to forget and not want to
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talk about nuclear even though a lot of nuclear.
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I believe there were some instances that had happened
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tragically but overall like nuclear has been proven to be
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very efficient, very powerful, very safe.
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The waste is not as bad people. Really make it out to be.
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I remember how many people grew up?
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I see this is Thing. I was remember growing up in,
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this is part of, I guess, now, looking back, this is the the
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soft propagandizing of children, even back in the 90s.
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How many of you remember like Captain Planet, like Captain
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Planet had all of the bad guys were radioactive nuclear
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something-or-other. They were like, made out of
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nuclear sludge or something like that, so they always made it
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seem like newly was this really horrible thing and that all this
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sludge was going to come out and like people are going to get
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deformed. I mean there's always He's like
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references to nuclear sludge and radioactive material.
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I mean, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, one of my favorite
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shows when I was growing up as a kid.
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I loved the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
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I mean, that whole thing was based on the fact that they came
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in contact with some radioactive ooze and that turned him into
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like from normal, Turtles to big turtles.
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I'm really getting off base here.
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But really I'm talking about the fact that you propagandized and
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entire generation to believe that nuclear energy is really a
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bad thing. Yeah, The Simpsons is another
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thing that's Simpsons. They made it seem like it was
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really bad, it was not run. Well, we've all kind of watched
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and laughed at Homer. Simpson who was the safety
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manager at nuclear power plant and you're like, well if that's
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who's running it, then I don't want nuclear energy in my
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backyard. So somebody said, how do you
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feel about every city county or region of California having
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their own grid? Every region is responsible for
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their own Energy Management? In each version can decide.
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I talked about this a couple weeks ago and for all those
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audio listeners were listening wondering what I'm talking
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about. Also live on Instagram live and
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I'm taking chats. That's the point of, this is why
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it's called coffee and California politics is because
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we sit and we chat with the live chat about California politics
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over coffee. So someone asked that I am and
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this is getting off base a little bit but this is my
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theory. If I could wave a magic wand and
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fix California, right? There's a couple things I would
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do. I would treat California as its
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own Republic, like a true Republic, like a republic like
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the United States of America. Where each county is basically
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its own State. Each county has maybe.
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I mean already has a County Board of Supervisors, maybe it
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has its own Governor's, maybe there is a quorum of Governors
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who can help run the state, but I think every County should be
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on its own and it's way that they can figure it out.
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We talked about this before where I think there's a specific
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example of let's say San Diego says hey we want to build a
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nuclear power plant. Great, let's build a nuclear
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power plant. Oh, I will Talking about in the
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desalination but same example here.
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So instead of desalination we're talking about nuclear if you set
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up nuclear power plants and say San Diego says, okay we're going
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to do a nuclear power plant and then all of a sudden they have
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more energy than they can know what to do with because we're
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going to get to in a little bit. I think Diablo Canyon provides
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about enough energy for three million people, San Diego
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counties around, roughly 4 million people, so that's
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already more than enough. Add in the other forms, sorts of
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energy, including natural, gas, and all that stuff.
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That we're still using and you probably have a runoff or an
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extra that you can sell to other people now.
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Other counties don't want to do that, that's fine.
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But I think this kind of hodgepodge, the state trying to
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look over, everything doesn't really work because it's an
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enormous State and maybe people in some areas where they can
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afford to run around, turn off all their appliances because
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it's only 80 degrees as opposed to, if you're in the Central
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Valley, it's 15 degrees or 120 degrees.
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It's a lot harder to run and turn off your air conditioning.
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When you are sweltering from 120 degree degree heat or if you're
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in Southern California. Say well I could probably just
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turn off the AC and deal with a fan for a little bit.
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But yeah, I think there we should be run as a more of a
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republic every state should be. For every County should be like
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its own state. It should be run, really kind of
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independently, I think there should be an electoral college
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for When electing a governor, I think that's really important.
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Because right now, I don't think it's fair that San Francisco and
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La always get to pick the governor.
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Even though there's 58, state or 58 counties.
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Now, I'm thinking States and counties.
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So, yeah, but that's really kind of getting off on a tangent.
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I think there's just, I also tweeted this yesterday in the
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sense that we the government grants a lot of monopolies to
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these public utilities and Look at how it's working out so far.
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When you have these Public Utilities, they say, well, these
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things are too important to have more than one player because we
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want one person really running it, but look at how that's
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really kind of work. Now, that public utility is not
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really beholding to its customers, it's really more
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beholdin to the government and that's why when the government
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says jump, most of these Public Utilities say how high but I'm
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really kind of getting off on a tangent here because we have a
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lot to get it too. And I do want to get some time
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to hear people's chats and what they're doing in the Heat Wave
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and any other topics that are coming up.
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So let's start off with this article.
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This was from the Sacramento Bee just letting people know that
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third Flex Alert in a row Friday, California power supply,
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not out of the woods amid power or heat wave California's
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electricity Supply improved somewhat Thursday but residents
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were under an energy conservation, Flex alert for a
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second consecutive day in the manager.
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The power grid warned that the possibility of Remained with
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even greater levels of extreme on the way the grid reliability
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is still threatened said Elliot. Mains ER chief executive the
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California independent system operator in a video briefing.
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Thursday's Flex Alert in effect from 429 represents voluntary,
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call for conservation, as the great operator seeks to repeat a
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black ass that rolled through California for two nights during
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an August 20, 20 Heatwave, a week-long, heat wave is
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threatening to overwhelm California of blackouts
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temperatures in the Sacramento area.
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Area were expected to surpass 100 degrees Thursday, and to
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saurus much, as 114 in parts of Sacramento Valley.
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So, to all you and Central Valley, I hope you're staying
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cool. Like I said, I went to college
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up in the Central Valley and Stockton.
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I know what a summer a blistering heat in Stockton.
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Feels like it. You really don't want to go
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anywhere. You kind of just run out of the
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house and, like, run to your car and try and do as little as
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possible outside. So, It's not enjoyable, that's
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for sure. So for all this down here and
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soak our complain because it got up to like a little over 80
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degrees. Well it got up like high 80's
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90's here which is hot for us. Maybe we should just think about
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what it feels like to be in 120 degree.
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California is increasing dependence.
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On renewable energy supplies is create vulnerabilities during
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extreme heat waves. But art particularly when the
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Sun goes down and early evening but residents air conditioners
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are still roaring to try to improve grid.
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Reliability legislator early Thursday approved, Governor
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Gavin Newsom controversial. An to load loan up to one point
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four billion to PG&E Corporation to postpone the play in 2025
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shutdown of the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Plant.
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The plant generates about 9% of the state's electricity Supply.
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We're going to get to that. We're going to talk about that
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and we're going to talk about nuclear sort of in depth in
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terms of how I think it's a solution and that people should
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be talking about nuclear. I think it's important that we
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really all start to kind of get past that stigma stop you know
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get Captain America or Captain America, Captain Planet stigma
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of toxic, sludge and nuclear energy and all that than stuff
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in the 90s that they were telling us.
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I think it's really important for us to get past that and
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start talking about and and know your facts and know and explain
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to people. It's one of the reasons why I
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came up with the shirt and it spin below.
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Stop brownout support nuclear. If you actually look up nuclear
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and see as a source you're going to see that it doesn't check a
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lot of the boxes that the Jeannie left is always kind of
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screaming about which is that they want carbon-neutral.
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They want something that doesn't give off a lot of carbon or
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pollute the air, something like that and nuclear is one of the
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best and even Obama's Energy. Secretary said it is one of the
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best high C says. I get lots of compliments on
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that shirt. That's awesome.
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Thanks for supporting, I'm going to order mine this week because
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I want to I want to make sure I Iraq it as well.
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So you go, there is great and all, but the problem is
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California will just Tries a nuclear industry and make a
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select few companies control the entire nuclear grid.
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So maybe but you know at this point it's better than what we
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have right now which is in this is sort of what I'm going to get
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to in this next article. This is from reason so a lot of
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people were pointing out that it's kind of funny and it's
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really bad timing for noodles and the whole legislature that
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they want to get us all off gas-powered cars into electric
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cars by 2035. So, they want to ban the sale of
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any sort of internal combustion gas powered cars by 2035 and
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they want us all by an electric cars.
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And then, of course, in a complete, you know, Sideshow Bob
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stepping on a rake, sort of moment, all of a sudden this
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heat wave came. And now they're telling people,
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oh, by the way, don't charge your electric cars because our
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grid can't handle it. And that's when everybody around
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the country started laughing at California saying, like, well,
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now, you're requiring us to buy electric cars, but you're not
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allowing us to charge them, which is a real issue.
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It's a really issue. If you have to worry about
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whether or not they can keep the lights on and by they, I mean,
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the politicians up in Sacramento, whether they can
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keep the lights on and then they can't, and they're always
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telling you to turn off electricity and any time it's
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sort of a heat wave that's going to be a problem for a lot of
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people. Now, this article reason is kind
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of did a little bit more Deep dive into it.
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Going to talk a little bit about that.
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Let's see. Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo, where did I
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start my highlights talking about?
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The band says, though it is true that such pain will reduce
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emissions switch to electric vehicles will over time
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dramatically increase the strain on California's power grid if
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everybody in California went out and bought electric vehicles
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tomorrow it would probably be an energy disaster.
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Yeah we know that we know that if cars if everyone jumps into
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an electric car tomorrow. Hypothetically I mean not
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everyone is going to run out and get an electric car tomorrow if
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ever were Or to get an electric vehicle and then often run out
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and start charging, it would be an absolute disaster.
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And when the grid would collapse, right?
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Like, even if it went up by, you know, 50% it would probably
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collapse the entire system because it's just so much strain
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on the electrical grid. That's probably not going to
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happen for a few reasons. California, solely plans to ban
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sales. Not all a operation
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gasoline-powered cars, millions of Californians won't and
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probably can't afford to transition to electric vehicles
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within the next 13 years. Yeah.
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That's a valid point. I mean, a lot of electric cars
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are very expensive. They're more pricey, they start
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at what like sixty thousand dollars.
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So they're pretty pricey, they're not like the most
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affordable car in the world. Not to mention.
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You have to have a way to charge your electric car.
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So if you have, let's say you're renting from an older building,
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right? Let's say you rent from an older
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building, where you going to charge your electric car.
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A lot of people say, oh, you can just charge it in your garage,
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you can just plug in it just fine, not a lot of people, you
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know, and Everyone in California, owns a garage with
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an electrical outlet that they can just park their car into and
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drive. That is in, I mean, with the
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housing prices, the way it is, that is certainly a luxury here
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in California to have your own garage and your own your own
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home. How many people actually rent.
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And when you think about that, in terms of people who are
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suffering or like in the lower economic status or just trying
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to get by, now you're going to say, well, you need electric
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car. How are you going to charge it?
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And you wanted one of these. More run-down apartment
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buildings. That isn't updated.
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It doesn't. It isn't with the times, like
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there was one apartment building.
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I lived in when I was in law school brand new and it had like
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electrical charging stations. Now only had like two or three
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and you think about how many people live there?
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That's a lot of people who got to be waiting to get a chance to
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actually charge their car. So that does create an issue.
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It also creates an issue. That you're going to have to
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create. If you can't charge it at your
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home, you're gonna have to go somewhere else like a charging
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station, right? If you have to go to a charging
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station, how long does it take for your card?
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Actually? Charged?
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If it takes hours and hours and hours?
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What are people going to do? I know, they try this whole
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thing where they want to put charging stations outside, like,
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strip malls and outside of the, like, a Whole Foods or Trader.
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Joe's. So they kind of forced you to,
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like, walk into these stores and like, then Patron, these stores.
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But what if you're in a rush, like, you don't have time to sit
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there and do for two hours? So there is a lot of logistical
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issues when it comes to charging cars.
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And the affordability is definitely an issue 2017 report
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from the California energy commission which forecasted
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energy demand until 2030 did. So by assuming an increase in
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adoption of electric vehicles in the state, their highest
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estimate assumes 3.9 of million of these vehicles on the road in
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California, by 2030 the increase in electricity demand would thus
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be significant jumping from less than 1 gigawatt hours in
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2017. To about 16 by 2030.
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Okay, so 1000 gigawatt hours, don't ask me, what is
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specifically a gigawatt is I'm not really sure what it is.
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Specifically a gig W is but the jump from 1 to 16 is an
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absolutely enormous Jump by 2030.
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California consumes about 260 terawatt hours of electricity
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annually. According to the US Department
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of energy, it would increase in energy demand at around six
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percent per year by 2030. A single nuclear plant could
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handle a good chunk of this new demand or a single nuclear
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plant. Could handle.
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Good chunk of this bad demand, but the amount of energy
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generated would still be far less than needed to achieve
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California's. Long-term goal of getting rid of
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gas powered vehicles entirely and switching to electric.
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And, of course, reason magazine finishes off saying the
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government should it be forcing people to purchase or abstain
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from purchasing certain types of vehicles in the first place.
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But beyond that signaling to the public that the electricity grid
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is being overtaxed or in summer. It is not installed residence
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with confidence. That California is prepared for
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the transition. It's trying to mandate.
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So I talked about this before and I had said that this seems
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like something that it's 2035 puts this mandate out of the
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term of Gavin. Newsom.
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Right 2035. And I called this out, when he
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first, kind of announced this, I say look if you're really bold
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about this then Guess what you should do it inside your
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Administration, you shouldn't just say, well, we're going to
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do by 2035. You've been long gone by that
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time, right? So assuming when's, which he
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will win this year, he's gonna absolutely Crush.
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Brian Dolly. So assuming he wins this year,
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he'll be out of office by 2020. What is your surname for 2026?
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Why did I miss on the math? There need more coffee 20:26.
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So for Another nine years, they haven't even they'll be another
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governor and that Governor is going to have to come in and
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that Governor's Council win re-election or there's good.
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They're going to be you're going to be in the second term of the
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new governor after Gavin. Newsom, who is now going to have
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to figure out how to accomplish this goal?
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And I fully expect and this is one of my things that I fully
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expect. They're going to walk this back
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over time, that they won't be able to meet the goal by 2035 of
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getting everyone trying to buy electric cars.
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In Banning Anning, all gas powered cars, why?
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Because I don't think by that time, we'll have an electrical
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grid that's ready for it, especially if you're not,
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seriously considering all the options.
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Now credit, where credit is due Gavin Newsom did actually stop
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the closure of Diablo Canyon, but I think that was more
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political because I think he knew that if he couldn't keep
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Diablo Canyon open the grid, was most likely going to fail with
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the next Heatwave, then there was going to be a big issue and
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then I was on he saw what happened with gray Davis when
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there was all these issues with power outages and rolling
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blackouts, he knows that if you're a governor and you can't
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keep the lights on, it doesn't look good for you if you want to
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run for president. So that way, I think was one of
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yo, see this. Now again off topic but if you
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look at and what noodles is doing from here on out, Yeah, I
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would say probably about six months ago.
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Five, six months ago. You could see the turn with
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Gavin. Newsom, you knew he was going to
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run for president, he's made the decision, we all know, he's made
00:19:21
the decision. He wants to run for president
00:19:22
and everyone talks about it's not just me, it's not just me
00:19:25
iPod hypothesizing here on an Instagram live video or on a
00:19:29
podcast. It's me saying that you could
00:19:31
see the writing on the wall when it came to Gavin Newsom.
00:19:35
And you knew that he was going to run for president one day or
00:19:37
another. Now, if you look at sort of that
00:19:40
Learn where he started to go after DeSantis more where he
00:19:44
started to do these truth tick-tocks and stuff like that.
00:19:49
Then you could see now, all of his political decisions from
00:19:54
here until next election. Whether it's 2020, you know, 20
00:19:59
is 20 28, then he is going to be running for president or until
00:20:05
2024. In a way.
00:20:07
Does it benefit us for sure? Because he's going to be putting
00:20:10
forward, a lot of moderate positions.
00:20:12
And he's going to be doing a lot of moderate things, like keeping
00:20:14
this Diablo Canyon open and vetoing bills that are kind of
00:20:17
off the wall. Like the care court that just
00:20:21
sort of got past that he signed into law, which would have if I
00:20:27
understand this correctly, they're going to start, doing
00:20:29
court-ordered care treatment, or mental treatment for the
00:20:33
homeless. Basically, if you get arrested,
00:20:35
you can either face your criminal, Or your criminal
00:20:38
sentence or you can go into this mental treatment, but look at it
00:20:42
from this way. Just from here on out, look at
00:20:44
everything that Gavin Newsom is doing everything noodles is
00:20:47
doing from here on out and see that everything is going to be a
00:20:52
political calculated move to run for president whether it be in
00:20:56
2024 or 2028. That's all I'm saying.
00:20:59
Now we can benefit from that, that sure sure, that's fine.
00:21:03
But at the end of the day I wouldn't give him too much
00:21:06
credit. And say like he did this because
00:21:08
it's the right thing. I think he did this because he
00:21:10
knew that if he wants to run for president and have a shot, he
00:21:13
can have to be a little bit more modern.
00:21:18
Let's see. Now let's talk about nuclear
00:21:24
energy. There's a lot to get to.
00:21:26
I'm going to try and boil it down as much as possible.
00:21:29
I would suggest you go research this as always the links are
00:21:32
always going to be provided in my show notes.
00:21:36
The benefits of nuclear energy can be boiled down into a few
00:21:39
simple points. The main point is that the only
00:21:41
reliable source of renewable energy.
00:21:44
It is the only reliable source of renewable energy and this
00:21:47
comes from a Penn State University article, nuclear
00:21:51
reactors work at producing maximum power for about 93% of
00:21:54
the Year. This capacity factor is far
00:21:58
higher than any form of energy production and about three times
00:22:01
greater than solar or wind power.
00:22:04
We knew that I Most people know that that's pretty Common Sense.
00:22:07
Nuclear power has such a little downtime because it only needs
00:22:11
to be refilled. Every two years.
00:22:14
Nuclear power plants also need less maintenance.
00:22:16
Even when compared to natural gas or coal facilities, As of.
00:22:21
So just this was actually written in February of this
00:22:25
year. So it's a recent article, you
00:22:27
know, I mean you could dig and find like a lot of articles but
00:22:29
I want to find like the most recent to see what people are
00:22:31
saying about nuclear energy, a typical nuclear reactor will
00:22:34
produce 1, gigawatt of electricity which is about the
00:22:37
equivalent of three to four coal-powered plants in order to
00:22:40
produce about the same amount of electricity as a solar plant.
00:22:43
A solar plant would need to use 450 times more land than the
00:22:47
nuclear power plant. I want to say that again, a A
00:22:50
power plant to use the and get the same amount of energy as a
00:22:54
nuclear power plant, would need to use 450 times more land than
00:22:59
the nuclear power plant and a wind power plant.
00:23:02
Would use 400 times more land than a nuclear power plant.
00:23:05
So if you see all those pictures of the hills, absolutely covered
00:23:10
in solar panels to create solar energy think of it now, four
00:23:15
hundred times less is what nuclear energy and that's is how
00:23:18
efficient it is. It is compared to these
00:23:21
renewable energies, nuclear power.
00:23:24
Also produces less carbon pollution compared to the other
00:23:26
renewable sources, when, including the construction
00:23:28
operation and decommissioning of each of the energy sources.
00:23:34
One drawback that many opposers of nuclear energy bring up is
00:23:37
the nuclear waste. That takes thousands of years to
00:23:39
Decay fully. However, this is far less of a
00:23:41
dilemma, then it's made out to be.
00:23:43
It shows a picture. It's just a room with a bunch of
00:23:46
like containers in it. It's just one room.
00:23:49
As the picture below shows, 45 years of nuclear waste can be
00:23:53
stored in just one room. According to the environmental
00:23:56
progress.org, all of the nuclear waste ever produced the United
00:23:59
States can fit in a 50-foot Stacks high on a single football
00:24:02
field. All of the nuclear energy used
00:24:04
in the entire United States can fit basically in a 50-foot stack
00:24:09
on and that's not that high 50-foot stack on on a football
00:24:14
field, not a lot. And then when you think again
00:24:16
you go back to solo playing since I was Power think about
00:24:22
what they're going to have to do with all those panels once they
00:24:24
run out of juice because they don't last forever.
00:24:26
As I learned from the Los Angeles Times, They do actually
00:24:31
run out of juice. They actually run out of
00:24:33
Effectiveness after a while and you do need to recycle them some
00:24:35
out and it gets really messy with how you're going to recycle
00:24:38
them. Let's go on and talk about more
00:24:42
of the facts. This is from now, I think this
00:24:46
is what's the name of this group and eii?
00:24:49
I think this is a lobbyist group that does work on behalf of
00:24:52
nuclear energy, nuclear energy Institute.
00:24:54
So obviously their pro-nuclear but there's some interesting
00:24:57
facts that they want to put forward.
00:24:59
All 55, power plants, avoid more carbon emissions annually than
00:25:03
the emissions produced by 110 million passenger vehicles
00:25:07
nuclear power. Generates nearly 55 percent of
00:25:09
our nation's carbon-free electricity, so it's already by
00:25:13
a long shot. It is producing more carbon-free
00:25:16
electricity than any other source.
00:25:18
If you Piper science. The majority of our carbon and
00:25:21
free energy runs on good nuclear, nuclear power, plants
00:25:26
operate, 24/7, making them an ideal zero-carbon compliment to
00:25:30
wind and solar at this point, you know, I don't even know why
00:25:34
we bother with wind and solar because of nuclear so powerful.
00:25:37
We should just do it, but I'm a fan of all the above
00:25:39
redundancies, why not? Just create options, nearly 20%
00:25:43
of the nation's electricity is generated by 94 reactors in 28
00:25:46
States. That's a lot 20.
00:25:49
Percent of the energy, it is nuclear saves consumers.
00:25:54
On average of 6%, electric electricity bills and add 60
00:25:58
billion to the US. GDP doo-doo-doo-doo US, nuclear
00:26:03
power plants are more than 100 times safer than regulatory
00:26:06
safety goals one, uranium pellet.
00:26:09
Excuse me, one uranium palette provides as much energy as one
00:26:13
ton of coal 149, gallons of oil and 17 cubic Of natural gas.
00:26:22
That's a lot. So then if we go over and here's
00:26:26
do, do, do do, what was I looking for?
00:26:29
Ah, let's talk about the five things.
00:26:31
You need to know about nuclear energy in California.
00:26:34
This is from Cal matters. This was written.
00:26:38
May 18th 2022. So this is prior to the Diablo
00:26:41
Canyon, can you let go the zoo in your body?
00:26:46
So you have this Edge because that's yeah, I'll link it in the
00:26:48
show notes so if you listen to the podcast you can go to The
00:26:52
actual audio podcast and in the show notes I'll link all.
00:26:55
I put all the links. So this is really, really
00:26:57
helpful stuff. Let's see, this is specifically
00:27:02
talking about nuclear energy in California in.
00:27:07
This was about around May. And at that time, they had not
00:27:13
made the decision on Diablo Canyon.
00:27:15
So we'll just skip all the postulating about Diablo Canyon.
00:27:18
That's California, makes progress towards me.
00:27:20
Its ambitious. Climate goals, one concern has
00:27:23
gone on answered how can it stop burning fossil fuels, while
00:27:26
ensuring the power grid remains reliable?
00:27:30
That question is at the center of debate over the states use of
00:27:32
nuclear power. Nuclear power does not rely on
00:27:36
fossil fuels. So, it doesn't produce large
00:27:38
volumes of Planet warming, pot and pollutants as other energy
00:27:41
sources, do well seeing as a climate friendly alternative
00:27:45
opponents site, safety threats and problem, storing radioactive
00:27:48
waste perched on For Nia's Gusty, Central Coast Diablo.
00:27:53
Canyon has been supplying power to the states electric grid
00:27:56
since 1985. But the plant near San Luis
00:27:59
Obispo has been battered by controversy the entire time just
00:28:03
a few years into construction PG&E.
00:28:05
Found the site was near several seismic.
00:28:07
Fault lines that spurred lawsuits and massive Statewide
00:28:10
protesting Kony and the largest arrest in the history of country
00:28:13
Santa Bubba. Wow, despite the opposition the
00:28:16
plant was completed so for future reference don't build
00:28:19
your nuclear power plant on fault lines.
00:28:21
You know, just do your research today, the facility employs
00:28:24
about 1 workers, it's 2240, megawatts of electricity
00:28:29
generation, is roughly enough to support the needs of more than
00:28:31
three million people. According to PG&E, 3 million
00:28:36
people, just by one power plant alone.
00:28:39
That's a lot of people who are provided nuclear power account
00:28:41
for 93 9.3% California's electricity natural.
00:28:45
Gas is by far the primary source at about 37 percent and Then
00:28:50
followed by Soler. Large hydro and nuclear.
00:28:55
California gets nuclear power from out of state to.
00:28:57
Now this is what's crazy to me is that California always does
00:29:02
this somehow, right? California will say we're for
00:29:07
the X y&z. We want to do this and we want
00:29:12
to reduce our climate emissions and we want to do all this
00:29:14
stuff. Just like we talked about
00:29:16
previously where California gets a lot of its fossil fuels or its
00:29:20
gasoline from Central America from other countries.
00:29:24
Even though says We don't want to do with have anything to do
00:29:28
with these fossil fuels and with these oil and stuff like that,
00:29:31
but they get stuff from out of state.
00:29:33
So the fact that they can sleep better at night knowing what we
00:29:35
don't do this here in California within our borders but as long
00:29:40
as we get from other states, I guess that's just fine.
00:29:42
Like we can look past that but as long as California doesn't do
00:29:45
it, we can say oh we got rid of all these oil and gas Wells and
00:29:48
we don't do all this one but then we get all of our oil from
00:29:50
other places. It just seems very hypocritical.
00:29:55
Most of Calvary nuclear energy is generated by Diablo Canyon,
00:29:58
but also Imports a nuclear powered electricity from Arizona
00:30:01
and Washington State. According to the California
00:30:03
energy commission, 28 states have at least one commercial
00:30:08
nuclear reactor, but some are also facing possible.
00:30:10
Closure in the decades to come Arizona's Palo Verde, a
00:30:15
Generating Station is the country's largest power plant
00:30:17
with three nuclear reactors built in the late 1980s.
00:30:20
The nuclear Regulatory Commission, 2011 granted the
00:30:23
plant a license to continue operating 20:47 California
00:30:28
ports, more electricity than other any other state about 30%
00:30:32
of its Supply in 2020, including some from coal pile.
00:30:35
Coal-fired plants that are so the large sources of greenhouse
00:30:38
gases, according to the California energy commission 30%
00:30:41
of its Supply, in 2020 comes from out of state which show you
00:30:45
that we're not doing as much as we can to produce energy and now
00:30:48
they're telling turn off the energy.
00:30:50
They're making sure that you know, that our grid is under
00:30:52
this huge enormous strain and we're not Gonna have enough
00:30:55
electricity for everybody. It's going to hurt so, but we're
00:30:58
still getting 30% of our supply from out of the state that to me
00:31:02
is absolutely mind-boggling. That's mind-boggling that we
00:31:05
allow that much energy to come from out-of-state.
00:31:07
When California has the capabilities to supply its own
00:31:11
and probably export more electricity out of state.
00:31:15
Like, California, could be a net positive exporter of energy with
00:31:22
all the energy that we have at our fingertips with all
00:31:24
technology. Do we have at our fingertips?
00:31:26
California could be exporting a ton of energy to the rest of the
00:31:29
country and be just an absolute Hub of electricity.
00:31:32
But instead they we get 30% of it from other states.
00:31:38
They talk about hurdles, remain to keep the plant open.
00:31:41
It's not what we're going to talk about, because they already
00:31:44
talked about that, and they already decided, they're going
00:31:45
to keep them open. Proponents, laud nuclear power
00:31:48
as zero carbon lower-cost Diablo, Canyon has played a
00:31:51
crucial role in providing carbon-free energy and
00:31:53
maintaining the reliability of California's.
00:31:55
Power grids said, jacopo a buongiorno, a professor at MIT
00:31:58
is Department of nuclear science and engineering.
00:32:01
Without it buongiorno set, it will be difficult to meet demand
00:32:04
as it has a fine weather patterns, increasingly strained,
00:32:06
the grid. He said the state needs to rely
00:32:08
on all kinds of renewable and carbon-free sources, including
00:32:11
nuclear energy to achieve carbon neutrality by 2045 given the
00:32:15
magnitude of the challenge that we're facing in terms of
00:32:17
decarbonizing and mitigating climate change.
00:32:19
I would argue that we should use more of the nuclear energy, we
00:32:22
should use more solar and more wind.
00:32:24
Everything that does not. That carbon dioxide should be on
00:32:26
the table if Diablo Canyon were to close maintaining a carbon
00:32:30
neutral grip by 2045 would require more energy storage at
00:32:33
least 18 gigawatts of solar power according to a joint 2021
00:32:37
Stanford and MIT study co-lead by buongiorno to build those
00:32:41
solar facilities. The state would need about
00:32:44
90 acres of land compared to the 900-acre Diablo Canyon site
00:32:49
finding the available, space can be a challenge due to executive
00:32:51
order. Requiring the state to preserve
00:32:52
30% of its natural and Coastal lands by A 30.
00:32:56
This, I found that keeping Diablo Canyon could save an
00:32:58
estimated 2.6 billion in power system cost from 2025 to 2030 5
00:33:03
the price of natural gas has risen recently.
00:33:05
So existing nuclear power plants.
00:33:06
Tend to be more competitive. Bunch 10 said the cost of
00:33:09
electricity from solar and battery storage is higher than
00:33:12
the cost of Diablo Canyon alone. So there's always saving simply
00:33:14
from all /. Operating a cheaper asset,
00:33:17
Steven Chu, a Stanford University Physics professor and
00:33:21
the Energy Secretary secretary during the Obama.
00:33:25
The state should be making every effort to reduce its Reliance on
00:33:28
fossil fuels, closing Diablo, Canyon would only slow that
00:33:31
transition. He said nuclear power may be
00:33:33
certainly the lesser of two evils compared to keeping oil
00:33:36
and natural gas plants. You said, you can't wave a magic
00:33:39
wand and say, we go under percent wind and solar because
00:33:41
they are intermittent. It's easy to get from 0 to 50.
00:33:44
It's much harder to go from 50 to 75 and nearly impossible to
00:33:47
get to that 100 percent. Right?
00:33:51
And just out of curiosity since we're comparing state It's, I
00:33:56
did want to look up and Arizona had only one power outage.
00:34:00
It looks like and I was in 2019 so Arizona with 120-degree heat
00:34:08
for a lot of the year is not really having the same issue.
00:34:12
So granted, there's a population issue and it's not quite the
00:34:16
same but even then at 120 degree.
00:34:19
If we're saying it's the heat that's putting a strain on the
00:34:21
electric grid a and tired state that is Billion on plus 100
00:34:26
degrees, doesn't seem to really have as much problem as
00:34:29
California does. Figuring this out a lot of these
00:34:30
states and Arizona and Nevada. All these states are 120-degree
00:34:35
heat, don't really seem to have an issue with an electrical
00:34:39
grid. But the point of this is, I know
00:34:42
some people are saying we're going to need fossil fuels
00:34:44
anyway and I'm a big proponent of everything on the table.
00:34:47
I'm a big proponent of free market, open the floodgates, let
00:34:52
everything come in and let everything do what?
00:34:55
Needs to do and see which obviously the winner, right?
00:35:00
If nuclear energy proves to be the best and the cheapest in the
00:35:03
most efficient consumers in the market will gravitate towards it
00:35:08
if it's fossil fuel still than fossil fuels will continue to do
00:35:10
it. But in terms of trying to make
00:35:13
the argument to other people and we talked about this a lot when
00:35:17
we talk about what we're going to do and how do we get out of
00:35:20
this mess here in California? Is you have to kind of speak
00:35:25
Language of people who oppose you or people who might be on
00:35:28
the fence about issues. If you go full-throated support
00:35:32
about nuclear energy, knowing that it is a net positive for
00:35:36
everybody, there are risks. Yes there are risks of nuclear
00:35:39
energy. Just like there's horrible risks
00:35:41
of win that kill Burrs and we know that there's horrible risks
00:35:44
of solar panels that you have to recycle and there's a lot of
00:35:47
toxic material, and it requires a lot of land.
00:35:50
And are you willing to give up certain state parks?
00:35:54
And a lot of And deforestation to open up a lot of these lands
00:35:58
for solar panels. Are you fine with a state?
00:36:01
That's absolutely covered in solar panels because you believe
00:36:03
that's the way to go or do you want something that's more
00:36:06
efficient that zero carbon or zero-emission provides way more
00:36:11
electricity than a lot of these solar plants is wave it safer
00:36:15
than a lot of these other it other Industries.
00:36:19
Yeah I think that's how you have to kind of Mark.
00:36:23
It a lot of this stuff. And we've talked about this
00:36:26
before is you have to talk to people in their space where
00:36:30
they're going to feel like they want to be attracted to this
00:36:32
solution? I think an all of the above is
00:36:35
great, I think nuclear can lead the way on electricity, I don't
00:36:39
see why not. I think a lot of people are
00:36:41
behind us. I think there's a lot of people
00:36:43
who say that they should be doing this, but if you're going
00:36:47
to start getting people to come over or listen to a different
00:36:51
side of the debate, you do kind of have to talk to them in a
00:36:54
language that they Understand. And when you do say something
00:36:57
like it's zero emission. It's a lot more efficient.
00:37:00
It's a lot better for you. And then they say, oh what about
00:37:03
them to the waist and stuff like that?
00:37:05
You can tell them. Well actually the waste could
00:37:08
fit in the size of a football field, 50 feet high.
00:37:11
And that's the entire United States.
00:37:12
That's not just California. I'm sure California.
00:37:14
Could probably fit most of their nuclear waste and like one
00:37:17
little room. And I know that there's a lot of
00:37:20
stuff you can do with the nuclear waste now and you can
00:37:22
like recycle and repurpose it and stuff like that.
00:37:27
Someone asked would you hook your ventilator dependent family
00:37:29
member to a solar plant or not? A nuclear power plant.
00:37:32
That's a great way to put it. That's an excellent way to say
00:37:34
it. Like if you had someone If you
00:37:39
had someone whose life depended on it, which would you trust
00:37:42
solar panel nuclear power? So I said to play Devil's
00:37:45
Advocate, they can build large solar plants in the middle of
00:37:48
the desert, like San Bernardino, Riverside and Link.
00:37:50
A Nevada has the largest solar plants in the u.s. they could
00:37:54
sure they could. But if you want to make the
00:37:57
argument against solar power plans, I I'd have to look this
00:38:00
up, but I do believe that does heat the ground underneath.
00:38:03
All of those solar plants and there is wildlife out in the
00:38:06
desert. And there's Wildlife that's
00:38:08
Ground. So if you want to say, sure
00:38:12
that's fine. Just take up 90 acres.
00:38:14
Are you fine with wiping out all the vegetation?
00:38:16
All the wildlife that lives in that area because they can't
00:38:19
live under solar panels, but I do think it heats up underneath
00:38:23
because it does attract in the sun reflection, something like
00:38:25
that but that's an argument that you can make is they do you want
00:38:29
to wipe out all the wildlife and all the plants in the natural
00:38:32
habitat of these people? A lot of these big deserts are
00:38:36
designated as a state parks and they They are designated as
00:38:39
areas that you're not really supposed to go into.
00:38:42
If we want, if we can't figure out desalination to get water to
00:38:46
Farmers because of the Delta smelt, a fish that does not know
00:38:51
how to swim. And to me, that sounds like, if
00:38:55
you're a fish that doesn't know how to swim that, that seems
00:38:58
like Evolution has decided your place in the world that you are
00:39:02
no longer really a fish that deserves to be a part of the
00:39:05
ecosystem. Like something was going to get
00:39:07
you one way or another. But if you're a fish that
00:39:09
doesn't know how to swim, then that's a big issue for the fish
00:39:12
and not for us, but if they can stop everything over Delta smelt
00:39:19
then they could stop. Every solar power plant taking
00:39:22
over the deserts because you say, well, there's a rare spider
00:39:25
or something like that out in the middle of the desert that we
00:39:28
don't want to hurt. But at the end, a, what I'm
00:39:32
trying to say is you have to arm yourself with these facts in
00:39:35
these statistics. It's one thing to just kind of
00:39:38
point out Out the hypocrisy in the absurdity of it and say we
00:39:43
have, you know, we have a governor who has mandated all
00:39:47
electric cars by 2035 and then all of a sudden, he's saying
00:39:52
he's saying, oh, but we have to turn a don't don't charge her
00:39:55
cars, don't charge your cars because we're hitting a flex
00:39:58
alert at the same time. He's telling everybody, we
00:39:59
should all be switching to electric cars.
00:40:03
It's easy to point that out. I completely get that it's
00:40:07
harder to kind of dive into the argument and say Here's an
00:40:10
issue. And how do you state your policy
00:40:14
position on this and move forward with more people on your
00:40:18
side to support you then before you know right now these are
00:40:24
chances when you say oh people are all worried about
00:40:27
electricity in the Heat and all of that stuff then you can kind
00:40:31
of bring up. These issues, these questions
00:40:34
and say, hey, these are issues that you're facing right now,
00:40:40
because a lot of times people tune out a lot of stuff that
00:40:44
comes with politics, if it doesn't directly affect them.
00:40:48
If all of a sudden, they're sweltering and 90 to 100 degree
00:40:51
heat and they have no power in the air conditioners shut off
00:40:54
all of a sudden. They might care about
00:40:55
electricity a little bit more. So these are the chances you get
00:40:59
is better to be armed with the information and the The
00:41:02
arguments to say and to know how to speak to people.
00:41:05
And to say, look, you want zero carbon emission sort of fuel
00:41:09
sources. Great, let's talk about nuclear
00:41:12
and you can kind of rattle down this, this this and this get
00:41:15
your arguments repaired, and you might change one person that
00:41:18
might person person would go out and change somebody else's mind,
00:41:21
and that's where you have to strike.
00:41:23
A changing the mentality here in California and change their
00:41:26
mind, it's easy to kind of poke fun, it's easy for Benny Johnson
00:41:30
to steal, someone's me more. You know video or real and put
00:41:33
it up on his and claim it as his own and make fun of California.
00:41:37
It's easy to do those things I admit.
00:41:42
And there is sort of a usefulness to memes and all that
00:41:46
to get people's attention right to get people's attention.
00:41:49
Where they say, oh that's a funny meme.
00:41:50
I wonder like, is it true that we can't do XYZ or that?
00:41:54
This is really, what's happening?
00:41:56
I understand memes are a great way to get that attention of
00:42:00
someone but it doesn't enforce. The argument it doesn't enforce,
00:42:03
the argument doesn't get people to really think about it.
00:42:06
It doesn't get people to really dive into that specific
00:42:09
argument. Have that kind of conversation
00:42:11
with people because I can guarantee if you start off with
00:42:14
someone who is more left-leaning and you start off the argument
00:42:19
with well we actually have one of the most efficient and
00:42:22
Powerful zero-emission power sources.
00:42:26
That provides 50, it was already 55% of our zero, carbon
00:42:30
electricity and Power. In the country right now and
00:42:36
people say, well what is any goes Its nuclear energy and they
00:42:38
say oh I don't want to talk about energy, it's bad and you
00:42:41
say well have you looked into nuclear energy and that's a
00:42:44
that's an area where you can make sort of these inroads and
00:42:47
you can talk to people and you can change minds and without
00:42:50
doing that. It's easy again.
00:42:52
I keep saying this because I want you to kind of think about
00:42:55
this. It's easy to poke fun.
00:42:57
It's easy to just kind of laugh and so California is going to
00:43:00
hell in a handbasket. We're going Down.
00:43:03
But it's takes a little bit of work to kind of grab these
00:43:07
Stacks stats and statistics and say, Let's talk about this and
00:43:15
maybe come to some sort of common agreement, and maybe
00:43:18
change someone's mind, and maybe that person changes someone
00:43:21
else's mind. And before, you know, it all of
00:43:23
a sudden, there's a Groundswell of more people talking about it
00:43:27
before you ever knew it. And then, that's, that's where
00:43:31
you're at. I remember admire how you stay
00:43:34
in California, fight, I have to, I love California.
00:43:36
I don't want to leave and I think, I've said this before and
00:43:41
I will say this again. I think for people who give up
00:43:45
on California and this is why I get really bothered by
00:43:49
influencers who make a big deal about being in California, and
00:43:53
pretending that they're influencers or they are
00:43:56
influencer. That's all they do is, they're
00:43:57
just influencers. I'm not going to name names, but
00:44:00
there's influencers out there. I'm sure you can, you know, who
00:44:02
I'm talking about, who make a big deal about being in
00:44:05
California and they say, oh, I'm in California.
00:44:10
Here's what's crazy about California.
00:44:11
Here's me making a video about California and people love in
00:44:13
the sharing that Bubba. But then they just flee and they
00:44:16
go somewhere else where they go to Nashville, or they go to
00:44:18
Florida, they make a big deal about going to Florida because
00:44:21
it gets the most clicks and it's really Vogue to let.
00:44:23
Go to Florida and you know talk about being there for DeSantis
00:44:26
and stuff like that. But I think if you don't fight
00:44:30
here, if you don't fight here in California, just give up on the
00:44:35
country. And that's my, that's my honest,
00:44:39
belief is if you give up here in California and you say it's
00:44:44
over, we're not fighting back in California, it's not worth it.
00:44:49
Let's just move on. Then, just give up on the rest
00:44:51
of the country because at the end of the day, what happens in
00:44:55
California spreads. To other states and it happens
00:45:00
to other states. And before, you know, it this
00:45:03
ideology spreads and it gets worse and then you look back in
00:45:08
20 years ago, where did our country go?
00:45:11
What happened? Well, you allowed this home,
00:45:16
base of crazy ideas to stay and continue to push these crazy
00:45:23
ideas and those crazy ideas spread throughout the rest of
00:45:27
the country. And those people who were
00:45:29
indoctrinated in these states, then go to other states and they
00:45:33
vote in their people and it spreads year after year
00:45:36
generation after generation and before you know it we are still
00:45:39
dealing in theory. Look at it this way we're still
00:45:42
still dealing with sort of the hippie fall out of the 60s in
00:45:47
Berkeley and all of that we're still dealing with that.
00:45:51
That's how powerful this is is if We're still dealing with a
00:45:58
lot of these hippies and liberals.
00:46:01
And people from the 60s who believe these ideas are now
00:46:05
pushing these ideas through universities, look at what
00:46:07
happened to the University's. Now everybody is these far-left
00:46:11
universities because it all started in the Bay Area and it
00:46:14
all started right there and it's spread throughout the rest of
00:46:17
the country. And now we're in a state where
00:46:18
we go. What the heck do we have to do?
00:46:21
What do what are we doing here? And more importantly, this is
00:46:26
the most important part in this is really the most important
00:46:29
part why I get upset when people who have big fan base, that they
00:46:33
have big numbers and they end up leaving California, and they go
00:46:37
somewhere else and they go off to Florida, or whatever.
00:46:39
Again, they go off to Florida and they post about and they
00:46:42
make a big deal about how they went to Florida, you've admitted
00:46:47
that your arguments are not good enough to stay in California and
00:46:50
fight and win those arguments. So, you've just given up.
00:46:55
You just say California's to kooky.
00:46:58
I love you, but I don't want to fight this anymore.
00:47:00
It means you. Your, you're sitting there
00:47:03
going? Oh, I wonder why all my memes.
00:47:06
And my 32nd, reels didn't change the culture in California
00:47:12
because you didn't work hard enough to change the culture in
00:47:16
California. Didn't work hard enough to
00:47:17
change the politics in California.
00:47:19
It it's fine. If you want to gain followers
00:47:22
and you Create that Echo chamber.
00:47:25
Absolutely, fine. Cool.
00:47:27
Do what you want to do but fleeing California and giving up
00:47:34
throwing up your hands. You basically said my argument
00:47:40
is not strong enough to persuade people and if you if that's your
00:47:46
position that my argument is not strong enough to persuade
00:47:49
people, what makes you think where you're going is going.
00:47:53
To be the same because it just keeps changing and it keeps
00:47:56
going one way or the other. So I know I got a little off
00:48:00
Target here, but I think this is one of those issues.
00:48:04
I think this is one of those issues here in California, where
00:48:09
if you stay, and you can make these arguments and you have the
00:48:12
facts. And you can talk to people about
00:48:14
this and you can convert people to believe in this.
00:48:17
And, you know, the shirt is nice.
00:48:19
It does. It tells you one thing, it tells
00:48:21
you a message that says that gets people thinking, And they
00:48:23
associate wait, you know, I don't like brownouts and then
00:48:27
they say support nuclear and you're like, oh well I never
00:48:30
thought of that. And then they say, well why do
00:48:33
you support nuclear? You can start a conversation,
00:48:36
you have to, we have to get better at our arguments.
00:48:38
And if you're ever going to stop this forward, lurching to this
00:48:42
authoritarian State ISM, that is being pushed by the left, you
00:48:46
have to win arguments, right? You have to win arguments and
00:48:50
you have to win people over, and if you can stop it, It here in
00:48:54
California. Then you can stop it everywhere
00:48:58
throughout the country. And that's my, that's my honest,
00:49:01
belief, is that, if you can stop it here and you're good enough
00:49:04
and, you know, that the, the strategies and the ways to do
00:49:08
it, if you can stop it here in California, then you're going to
00:49:12
stop at anywhere and then it's in trouble everywhere in the
00:49:16
entire country because you can push back on it.
00:49:19
So, that's my final thought. You know, and I understand
00:49:25
there's a lot of people who are like, there's some people who
00:49:26
are too far gone. Keep in mind, there are 25
00:49:31
percent of the registered voters in the state of California are
00:49:34
independent. That means, they have no
00:49:36
allegiance to Republican, or Democrat.
00:49:38
They're just people who are living their lives to doing
00:49:40
their thing. They have an open mind 25%,
00:49:44
right? And that's a lot to win, a lot
00:49:47
of states in or a lot of cities and districts here in the state
00:49:51
of California. Right?
00:49:56
So that's basically all I have to say about nuclear today and I
00:50:00
think it's a great argument to make.
00:50:02
And I think like I said, all the links are going to be in the
00:50:04
show notes. So go ahead and check them out.
00:50:09
You can go follow me on Spotify and all that stuff and you can
00:50:12
go see them. So, what's the max number of
00:50:16
followers? I can have in still leave.
00:50:18
California asking for a friend. Well, if You have over 100
00:50:24
then you should definitely you can definitely make a big stink
00:50:26
about relieving California and people will be all like.
00:50:30
Yeah, it's clean go. You're so great.
00:50:33
Go live in Florida. You're awesome.
00:50:34
Welcome to the best state, but I think you stay and fight.
00:50:40
I think you got to stay in fight because if it's if you can't
00:50:42
fight it here it's not going to get better anywhere else.
00:50:44
You might as well just throw the white flag up.
00:50:47
I wholeheartedly believe it. So 122 So I'm going to fit any
00:50:54
more comments or questions another one a little bit longer
00:50:58
than I was expecting. I just want to kind of go over
00:51:00
nuclear and how are we going to keep the lights on so trying to
00:51:03
get Adam from open the books back on the podcast?
00:51:06
Because he what if you remember the last time he talked a lot
00:51:09
about what's going on, open. The books is a organization that
00:51:13
goes in and basically pork forces all the states to open
00:51:16
their books, which they're supposed to do by law and
00:51:19
California had not done. So for a long time, And they
00:51:23
finally got the Books open. There's a lot as you can
00:51:25
imagine. There's a lot of dirty stuff
00:51:27
going on in California. That, you know, I want to hear
00:51:31
about, and I'm sure all you guys want to hear about as well.
00:51:34
So, I was keeping the lights on a last night, running my power
00:51:39
plant. Yeah, I mean, like I said, you
00:51:43
know, didn't faze anybody when I was, we were out yesterday.
00:51:46
Everyone was just chugging along doing their own thing, so, and
00:51:51
it did You going on with the way?
00:51:55
Yeah, DME. Yeah, you know, you got my DM's
00:51:58
are open. So, any other comments or
00:52:00
questions, I'm not spilling names on the influencers, you
00:52:03
know who they are? You know, who the people are
00:52:05
that have left. And, you know, I mentioned Benny
00:52:09
Johnson because many Johnson, I just feel like he's gotten to a
00:52:13
certain point. He's gotten over a million
00:52:14
followers, he can, he can do what he wants to do and he you
00:52:21
know, he can just repost everybody stuff.
00:52:22
If, you know, one, one account that I always find interesting,
00:52:25
is the typical liberal, I don't does that guy post anything
00:52:28
original? I don't think that guy's post
00:52:30
anything original in like years. I think he just keeps reposting
00:52:33
other people's stuff and he got in trouble as well.
00:52:35
Actually, the typical liberal is I think he's the guy who stole
00:52:39
one of my memes and never gave me credit for it.
00:52:42
So yeah, when you steal my stuff and then you don't give me
00:52:47
credit that's when I get really kind of and he like changed it a
00:52:51
little bit. He's going to block me.
00:52:55
Yeah, that's happened. I've had some people like cat
00:52:57
turd. Blocked me for some reason, I
00:52:59
don't know why cat turd block me.
00:53:00
I don't, I don't think I've ever even interacted with cat turd.
00:53:03
Maybe I did. I just forget Why cat turd
00:53:06
blocked me. But, whatever I said, must have
00:53:08
been so, Offensive to him. That you decided I needed to be.
00:53:15
Yeah, I'll okay so what I'll do try and then we're also going to
00:53:19
link them in the podcast podcast show notes.
00:53:22
I can try and Link them in Instagram.
00:53:26
It's kind of harder because the links are on the computer and
00:53:29
then I have to go to Instagram on the phone.
00:53:33
Trying to think of how I could do this.
00:53:35
The best way, I might put them in the Discord.
00:53:37
How about that? I might put all the links in the
00:53:39
discourse. So people can read up on this,
00:53:41
that might be a good way to do it.
00:53:42
Just, if you're not in the Discord, go join the Discord.
00:53:46
So, how many Independents are in California?
00:53:49
I should make a link tree. I have a link tree.
00:53:52
That's actually a good idea. Maybe I'll do that.
00:53:54
Maybe I'll just go. That's a good idea.
00:53:57
Perfect idea. Thank you for that.
00:53:58
I'll do a link tree and I'll let you know.
00:54:02
You can go in the link tree and get all the stats about nuclear
00:54:05
energy. How many in depends are in
00:54:06
California, 25%? The last time I checked around
00:54:08
25%, ENT of registered voters are Independents in 20.
00:54:12
The other 25% is Republican. So and so I think it's like it's
00:54:19
very small but if you add up Independents and Republicans,
00:54:22
they actually outnumber Democrats.
00:54:25
So right as the Republicans is 25 Great hon.
00:54:34
Forked. Yep, I didn't think that was
00:54:37
that was gonna make any sense. Yeah.
00:54:39
So there's that's why people think it's already too far gone.
00:54:42
I don't think so. I mean, that the Democrats have
00:54:45
not broken past that 50% here in California.
00:54:49
So Half of the registered voters, are not keen on the
00:54:54
Democratic party. They may lean Democrat, right?
00:54:57
Like when push comes to shove, they're going to lean Democrat.
00:55:02
Like I yeah, you just brought up how many lean blue every
00:55:05
election cycle. I think they lean Democrat,
00:55:07
because Democrats in California, the Olin to propose any sort of
00:55:12
solutions Carmen just signed on. What did I miss?
00:55:17
Whole bunch of Gossip. It was really juicy.
00:55:19
You missed all of it. I'm And I'm also going to delete
00:55:22
this, you won't be able to watch it later but anyway, yeah, just
00:55:26
kidding. Yeah, I think it's, I think
00:55:30
that's mostly because that's the sentiment in California's
00:55:32
Independence, lean left and they leaned sort of where the culture
00:55:36
is. But I also think it's because
00:55:38
Democrats don't really, Or democrats do the best job
00:55:40
presenting Solutions, and that's really what it is.
00:55:45
Yeah, they don't view right-leaning views in the
00:55:49
positive, it's because there's nothing to positive in
00:55:52
California to view. Like, what is it?
00:55:53
What is it? California, Republican really
00:55:55
stand for. That's going to get a lot of
00:55:58
people supportive of their party outside of the taxes, you know?
00:56:05
And taxes can be one of winning argument.
00:56:07
Can be a, but if you look at propositions and this is always
00:56:11
interesting to me is if you look at propositions, conservative
00:56:14
proposition Tend to do better than most people think and kind
00:56:19
of shocks people, right? Like if you look at any sort of
00:56:23
proposition that restricts taxes restricts, you know, business
00:56:30
Enterprise, then They actually do pretty well, which is kind of
00:56:39
shocking. And it looks like so, there's
00:56:43
there's people who if you appeal to them, if you appeal to them
00:56:47
in a certain way that they will get on board with what you're
00:56:51
doing. I just don't think there's been
00:56:52
a group that's done that successfully yet, any input on
00:56:56
Prop, 27, I have my thoughts and we'll go over proper 27,
00:57:00
probably in a future, coffee and California politics, because
00:57:03
we're coming up on Coming up on a whole day.
00:57:10
Luge of a whole bunch of propositions.
00:57:12
But perhaps in 27, it's the one you're seeing a lot of
00:57:15
commercials. For, I know a lot of people ask
00:57:18
me, you know, I see this all the time.
00:57:19
What's going on? Phil, what am I voting for here?
00:57:22
I tell them my point, you know, but I'll go into more detail
00:57:26
about that. Do you think the national
00:57:28
Republican party's obsession with railing on California?
00:57:32
Now, in order to get National votes as what's killing
00:57:34
California, conservatives? Yeah, I think there's that's
00:57:39
again that's one of the problems.
00:57:41
Is that cow? It's easy to do something.
00:57:44
So what is Cal what is proper 27 prop trying seven is going to
00:57:47
allow sports betting in California.
00:57:51
So all the Draft Kings fan, duels all that stuff, but and
00:57:56
there's two. I'm going to do several.
00:57:59
There's probably going to be several California propositions
00:58:03
on coffee and California politics, were just going to
00:58:05
really just dive into them and chat about them.
00:58:09
So. But there's not as many as I
00:58:11
thought there would be this year so maybe we could fit into one
00:58:14
podcast and sort of have a Roundtable about it.
00:58:19
Well, there's a lot of money behind prop, 27, there's
00:58:21
DraftKings and FanDuel oils, and then there's the gaming tribes,
00:58:25
you know, there's the gaming tribes, who are dumping millions
00:58:27
of dollars into and DraftKings and FanDuel Czar dropping
00:58:30
millions of dollars into it. So, They're going to be I can
00:58:35
tell you right now. I don't think 27 is going to
00:58:36
have really any effect on the home.
00:58:38
Has it sounds great. It's a pittance but whatever.
00:58:43
So alright with that said I'm going to hop off because it's
00:58:50
getting really hot in the studio right here in my office right
00:58:52
now, Studio office, whatever you want to call it.
00:58:55
And yeah, tomorrow night, still figure out what's going to
00:58:58
happen tomorrow night with the podcast, try and see if Adam
00:59:00
from open the books come. On if not they'll still be a
00:59:03
podcast for so I can talk about some stuff.
00:59:04
Maybe we'll talk about prop 27 tomorrow night on the podcast,
00:59:08
maybe they'll be a good way to do it.
00:59:10
We also want to do a legislative Roundup.
00:59:14
What? What bills made it?
00:59:16
What bills did not make it stuff like that.
00:59:19
So with that said, thanks everyone for tuning in.
00:59:22
Stay cool out there whatever you do and yeah see you on the next
00:59:28
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