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On this episode we discuss how California had already broken the original promise of the UC system to provide free education to all California residents and how the current student loan crisis plays a role.
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Links Mentioned in the Show
https://www.dailycal.org/2014/12/22/history-uc-tuition-since-1868/
https://www.desertsun.com/story/opinion/columnists/2021/05/03/why-california-should-de-fund-uc-university-collegesystem/4927618001/
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/student-loans/college-tuition-inflation/
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Good morning everybody. Thanks for tuning in to another
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episode of coffee and California politics.
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How is everyone doing this morning?
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It looks like somewhere is sticking around for a little
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bit. I thought I was going to get
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cool off a little bit, but it's still a little warm down here in
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San Diego. So it seems like summer is not
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completely overlooked, summer doesn't officially end until
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like September 22nd. So for all those who are rushing
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out to get pumpkin spice lattes, I can't have a pumpkin spice,
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latte until May Mid-september, maybe right at the beginning of
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September September, but I can't.
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Anybody who rushes out and gets a pumpkin spice.
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Latte immediately right? In August, I don't know.
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Just seems weird when it's like 85 degrees out and you're,
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you're trying to drink a pumpkin spice latte.
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So someone's getting ready for their Fantasy Draft.
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They just said, in the chat awesome, I have not been invited
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to anything. Nancy drives this year which is
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a shame because I usually like doing fantasy drafts and fantasy
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football football coming up next weekend, Labor Day weekend.
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Usually it starts, doesn't football, start, I don't know,
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I'm in the middle of baseball, the Mets are in the middle of a
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run to make it to the playoffs. So I'm more focused on that.
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Every game, I have agita and heartburn and I can't take it
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because it's just too close. And it's coming down to the wire
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for the Mets, trying to hold on to their lead in the division,
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but I'm getting like way off point now.
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So let's talk about what's going on tomorrow.
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Some announcements tomorrow will be the return of the podcast.
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I know that we took a couple weeks off.
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We're trying to deal with some technical stuff.
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We're still looking into that. That's are gonna lose.
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Listen man, I've been a Mets fan my whole life.
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So I'm used to disappointment with the mats which is why I'm
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waiting for the other shoe to fall.
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I you know, every time they don't do well or they lose a
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game, I automatically think this is the end.
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They're going to they're going to lose their.
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Will I better this year than I was originally expecting?
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So so yeah, I'm just enjoying it right now.
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But the typical Mets fan is always going to have some sort
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of apprehension and they're playing the Dodgers right now
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who are the best team in baseball.
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I don't know if there's any Dodger fans on the feed right
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now, but yeah, Dodgers are a good team.
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They're a pain in the ass. That's what they are.
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So anyway, announcements tomorrow will be the return of
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the podcast. I know it was a couple weeks
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off. There's technical All these and
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there's some stuff I was out for a little summer break which is
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fine tomorrow. We're going to do the
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fact-checking of Newsome's tick-tocks and we're going to go
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over those Cynthia will be back. We're all going to be joined by
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the best political researcher in California, Camille.
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We're perfect person to be fact checking all of this stuff.
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Yes, politics season is all year-round and politics is going
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to heat up in the next couple weeks.
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It's people get back. I'm sure you are.
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Already seen a lot of the ads. If anyone else is sick of the
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prop, 727, and prop 26. Let me know.
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We're almost at the point now where most of these coffee and
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covering politics are going to be dedicated to the different
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propositions coming down the stretch.
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Oh yes, the breaking news which I just posted.
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SB 866 has been pulled which is fantastic news for us here in
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California. That was the one controversial
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Bill. I know a lot of parents were
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very upset about and I was the one that we all wanted.
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Go away breaking news just as of like 15 minutes ago, Senator
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Scott wiener, pulled, SB 866 meaning that that bill is dead
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for the legislative session. I don't know if it'll come back
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next year, I wouldn't put it past.
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Got winter to try again to do it next year.
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But I think a lot of and we talked about this with Jonathan,
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the last legislative Roundup and we'll probably have to have
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another legislative round up soon.
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Because now that the Session is ending.
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It'll be interesting to kind of talk about what made it.
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What did it make it? How how these things kind of got
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pressured to be dropped? We who kind of fell, which way.
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So it will be interesting to do a legislative session and seeing
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which are not passing, which are not making, and yeah, it's been
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a busy season. But now the legislative session
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is over as be, 866 is done. It is dead for this year.
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So yes, - I've been keeping an eye on SB 919.
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Not sure what's going on with that.
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I haven't heard a lot about SB 918 even though we're coming up
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on the short of deadlines it'd be great if it kind of goes away
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and just dies I know the California Sheriffs Association
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pushed back on SB 9 18 and that was I don't know what's going on
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with that but the California Sheriffs Association which was
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enjoined by all of the sheriff's in California.
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So So, let's see, so it failed by Emma.
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Is that as although, who is a proud owner of the don't eat the
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bugs t-shirt. Look, great buddy.
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Thank you for, for rocking that T-shirt.
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And now you're showing it off with the stakes that you were
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picking up. So that was awesome.
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Also, it's still available, don't eat the bugs and a lot of
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people when I first came out with this year, people were
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like, I don't really get what this shirt is about, but there's
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more and more. I'm sure you're hearing more and
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more talk about, you know, Roach milk and eating bugs and how
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warm Burgers have enough protein, more protein than beef,
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burgers and stuff like that. I was actually invited to a
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barbecue last week and they had said, oh, we're going to have
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impossible, burgers and gluten-free buns.
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I want to just snarkily reply to the email thread and say, are
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you guys going to have any healthy options as in like
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normal beef burgers? Because Lord knows what's going
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on in those impossible Burgers. They, you know, plants aren't
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supposed to taste like beef. Let's, let's just talk about
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that. You're not supposed to somehow
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form soy into beef. I mean, if you want beef, eat
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beef. Don't eat impossible Burgers.
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So yeah, tomorrow night, we're coming back with podcast.
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We'll be talking all about Newsome and is tick-tocks, these
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tick-tocks that he's been putting out kind of trying to
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like what he says fact-checked or bring truth to all this up
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even though most of his A very lame, and they're kind of like,
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what's a mostly straw men? Mostly these weird kind of
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arguments, where he starts off on one foot, and then really
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quickly pivot to something else. That doesn't really make any
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sense. And like I said, I do these kind
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of responses. You've seen them the little
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reels that I do but you can't really dive into them as much.
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So that's why I want to do a whole podcast on like a bunch of
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them and just kind of really talk about all of them and go
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more in-depth. So if you're Into that stuff.
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You're into fact-checking tomorrow night at 8 p.m. will be
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live on YouTube. Be joined by Cynthia and
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Camille. We're gonna have a great time
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fact, check and I'll be excited to get the podcast back
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together. A lot of technical technology
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stuff is being updated. Hopefully more videos.
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I want to get more YouTube videos and all that stuff.
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Anyway, so I think that's enough announcements for right now.
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I don't really know if there's anything else I need to talk
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about. There's, that's basically it.
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I feel like when I didn't do the podcast for two weeks, I feel
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like I've been away for Two weeks, even though we've been
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doing this coffee and California politics, still doing it.
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Normally every Wednesday morning at 9 a.m. on Instagram for the
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audio listeners. If you listen to this on audio,
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it sounds like I'm talking to myself over.
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I'm going off on ranches because I'm also in, in this Instagram
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live, checking out your chat and we're kind of sitting and
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chatting and talking about coffee or talking about
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California politics over coffee, this morning's coffee.
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As usual is a the same thing last week, coffee or die, from
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Black Rifle coffee. So, Yeah.
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Add a little cream to it, so let's see gonna go check on SB 9
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18. Yeah, give us the update because
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espe 918, if you're not aware what SB 918 is, and then we'll
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get into our top topic today, which is student loans, and the
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broken promise of the UC system here in California.
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I didn't go to a, you see, I'm actually rocking shirt from my
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alma mater, which is University of Pacific, they were a private
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university. They were actually the first
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chartered College in the state of California, fun fact, but
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they were first out in like Santa Clara, then they moved to
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the Central Valley, beautiful Stockton.
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That's why I went and spent four years of my life out in
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Stockton. So I know the Central Valley
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pretty well after being there for four years and know that
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it's much different than when you live in a place like San
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Diego and especially when people think like, oh you went out to
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California, you must be surfing and seen movie stars all the
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time and then You live in Central Valley and you live in
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Stockton, and it's not the same at all.
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But yeah, SP 918 is basically they're trying to get rid of all
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of your rights to carry and conceal here in the state of
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California. I don't want to get too far off
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topic here because we do have a lot to talk about and I want to
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leave time for you guys to obviously, chat and come
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Converse about everything. That's the point of this SB 918.
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Basically makes the entire State a sensitive Place.
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Me They would outlaw your ability to carry in churches and
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private businesses. Basically, everywhere name a
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place that's out in the public that you go and you wouldn't be
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able to allowed to carry, you'd be allowed to go into a private
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business. If they put a sign on the door
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that says, carrying concealed, welcome, and good luck.
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Anybody in the state of California, who want to put that
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sign in their window without Out getting some sort of Retribution
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or retaliation from people from crazy, you know, liberals who
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see that and go absolutely nuts about that you wouldn't be able
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to carry on the sidewalk of any of these places or in the
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parking lot of any of these places.
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So any of these places, you would not be able to go to.
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So basically you would not be able to carry and conceal
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anywhere in the state of California in a suburb or a city
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or anything like that at the end of the day.
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Yeah, I mean, I guess you could go carry and conceal.
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I want a forest or in a desert or something like that but
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that's basically what they're doing.
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So as although trigger ology great follow if you're a big
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Second Amendment person, he's a Firearms instructor.
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So he knows a lot about this stuff.
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He's really on top of this stuff, I think it would fail in
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the court. Obviously, under Bruin, you
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can't make an entire city or entire state for that matter, a
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sensitive place where you can't carry a gun, it would fail under
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Bruin but it could get caught up in litigation for years and
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years but there's ways around it.
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There's ways that you could ask for a preliminary injunction
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because it's a violation of your second amendment rights.
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You could ask the Supreme Court for an emergency order, be under
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Bruin they would likely Grant it because Brewing is so new and
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that they made it pretty pretty straightforward 603 there.
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They're all in support or six out of three are in support but
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yeah. SB 918 that's the other one.
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I'm really keeping an eye on because as someone who just got
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their Carrying concealed license.
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I don't have to think that I went through all that work and
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all that waiting, and all that money just to not be able to use
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it anywhere. So, anyway, let's get into the
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top topic of today, which is the student loan forgiveness, and
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the, you the broken. You see system.
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Now, everyone's been talking about the student loan
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forgiveness that has been happening and we can touch upon
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it a little bit. And we could talk Talk about
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student loan forgiveness and we can talk about how that's going
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to affect people, how it's not going to help with inflation.
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I'm sure you've heard a lot of people already postulating about
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that, but I want to talk about first I want to talk about the
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broken, you see system? Because at the end of the day,
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Okay, you can't have student loan.
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Forgiveness, if you're not going to address the underlying issue
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which is the cost of tuition and these colleges and universities
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that are getting away with Highway murder or highway
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robbery when it comes to tuition costs and it's kind of like I
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was thinking about this, I was trying to think of a good
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analogy the other day, it's kind of like, if you Take something
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bad and it made, you feel sick and your body doesn't like it.
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You go to the doctor and the doctor says, okay.
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I'm going to give you this medicine so that you don't feel
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sick anymore. Then you go home, you take that
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medicine and you go back to eating the same thing that makes
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you sick. You haven't solved the problem
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and the problem is that you are continuing to eat something
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that's making you sick. Nobody in any of these tweets.
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When you look at what Joe Biden is said, when you looked at when
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noodles is said, none of them have said.
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One thing about, we need to talk about the cost of tuition, none
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of them is said that Newsome made a big post about.
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This is a great day for students and equality and blah, blah,
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blah. And this is a fantastic move and
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I applaud our president for doing such a thing.
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No one has talked about the fact or no one brings up in any of
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their social media or their tweets.
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The fact that these schools are going to continue to charge
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these exorbitant rates. And they're going to continue to
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charge more and more every single year because you haven't
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solved the problem. And the problem is that when you
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get the government involved into something like this, and the
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government is basically giving out the loans, they're backing
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the loans. There's really no risk to the
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banks at all. Because what's the big deal?
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If the government backs, these loans, you can give these loans
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out as much as you want. It's not like if you're giving
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out a loan for a house and even a house, even if you know, it's
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even tougher to get a loan for a House.
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And that's collateralized, meaning that if you don't pay
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the loan, the bank and just take back the house and sell it and
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try and make more money on it if you don't pay back your student
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loans. Well, you can't discharge in
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bankruptcy, they'll come after you wage garnishment all that
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stuff, you'll go into, default. There's no way to really get rid
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of it, but it's harder to get a loan for a commodity.
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That is collateralized like a house than it is to get loans
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for students. It's who mostly students can't
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really prove what they're doing is a value and it continues to
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go up and up and up because if the money and the faucet of a
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free money and cheap money is going to continue going, then
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why stop? Why would you get, why would you
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stop? It's kind of like when you see a
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lot of people who want to get construction contracts with the
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government is because that they guarantee overages.
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They guarantee that the government's going to pay.
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If it goes over that if it goes over budget, they don't have to
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worry about. Coming in under budget or ahead
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of schedule or anything like that, they're guaranteed the
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money, and they're guaranteed even over more money.
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So that's why that's the biggest thing and they don't want to
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admit it, why? Because this was a policy set in
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place by President, Barack Obama.
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During his time, I was in college before, President Obama
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was elected. I was still raised George Bush,
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George w-- Bush so that it wasn't hadn't switched over yet.
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So you still had to To get loans that were backed by the
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government were given out by the government.
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And I remember college was not as expensive as you see it.
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Now I did get scholarships, I got Grant stuff like that.
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I still came out with student loans but the cost of owning you
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look at something like law school going to law school after
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President Obama and that it all of a sudden skyrocketed and I
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had even a really good scholarship and a lot of money
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put forward towards law school and they're still student loans
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at the end of it. Why?
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Because they'll just willy-nilly give you money.
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They don't really, it was so easy to just Sign a paper and
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they'll and money would just show up. so, Without taking
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precautions or at least a serious look.
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At what is really causing the rate of tuition to go up and
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this is from Forbes magazine in 1980 the price to attend a
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four-year College, full-time was ten thousand, two hundred thirty
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one dollars annually, including tuition fees, room and board.
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Now you look at tuition and they have to make sure that they
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parse out that this is the tuition mean, this is what you
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pay the school just to attend in, this is what goes to the
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school. Then they have to add on well,
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if you decide room and board and you want to live there and all
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Bad stuff. Here's the extra amount of
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money, I could be in like the 20 to 30 thousand dollar range to
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pay to live at a campus in their housing, to get their food plans
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and all that stuff. And that stuff adds up pretty
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quickly because if you're not working on the side and your
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decide, I'm just going to be a student full-time and you need a
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way to support yourself. If you're not living at home,
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you decide to go away to college, it gets pretty pricey
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to live and feed yourself and not given a lot of money, that's
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for sure. You're not giving a lot of
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money. I always remember when people at
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the beginning of the school year, is it just shows you how
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bad kids are with money. Even in law school, I remember
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people would always have so much money because they would get
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like their big one lump sum from the student from student loans.
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And they would just want to go buy stuff.
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They'd want to go out. They'd want to go out to
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restaurants and then by the end of the semester you.
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But hey, you want to go out and grab something to eat?
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Now, I'm really low on money right now.
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Yeah, because you probably spent over the first couple months and
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you didn't know how to budget it out.
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So the force article goes on to say according to National Center
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for Education statistics and adjusted for inflation by 2019
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to 2020. The total price, increase to 20
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8775, that's 180 percent increase College prices have
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soared across all institution types.
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But private nonprofit institutions continue to cost
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more than public colleges. A full-time student paid forty.
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Eight thousand nine hundred sixty-five at a private
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nonprofit College on average in 2019 2020, compared to 20 1035
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at a public university since try 19.
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However, the trend is slowed, in fact the Academic Year 2019 2020
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average, tuition fees and room has dropped.
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Oh a whopping point. Two percent at private nonprofit
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4-year schools from 2021 to 2022 prices dropped a further. .7.
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Hold on cause at a public four-year School, followed a
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similar pattern in the similar time frame, why have college
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price has risen. So dramatically even if College
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prices have stabilized for now, they're still on manageable
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form. A students more than half, a
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bachelor's degree recipient for public or private four-year
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colleges graduated with that in 2020.
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The average debt load was twenty-eight thousand four
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hundred dollars, according to college board.
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How did prices rise so substantially?
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There is a Range of possibilities, many of which
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researchers aren't in agreement on for example, increases in
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both federal student loan availability and the
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administrative positions at colleges are widely debated as
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contributing factors. So I'm glad they actually
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acknowledge the fact that federal student loan
00:20:04
availability has increased the cost.
00:20:06
Because if there's nothing stopping these, you know, if
00:20:10
you're going to get these easy to get loans and the college's
00:20:13
know they're going to get easy to get loans.
00:20:15
And a lot of these students really shouldn't have any
00:20:17
business maybe going to college. And that's why you have a
00:20:22
prolific killer for plural, a proliferation of a lot of these
00:20:27
useless degrees is because while we're just going to offer a
00:20:30
degree for basically anything, or you can fashion your own
00:20:33
degree, you can paint by numbers, you can figure out your
00:20:36
own degree, whatever, that's going to do, I don't know.
00:20:41
But hey, that's cool. You can make your own degree so
00:20:44
you can make your own degree in paint by numbers or something
00:20:49
like that. Completely useless.
00:20:51
But hey, as long as we get your butt in the seat and we get your
00:20:54
sixty thousand dollars a year paid for by the federal
00:20:56
government, who cares, right? Administrative positions has
00:21:01
gotten really out of control. You see a lot of these
00:21:03
administrators who say they're going into working at the
00:21:06
schools for the right reasons because they believed in
00:21:09
education and all this and that, you know, all these laudable
00:21:12
goals. But yeah you look at their
00:21:15
salary in there making anywhere from 300 to 500 you go
00:21:18
boy, that's a really sweet. Eight gig.
00:21:20
I wish I was the dean of a big university like that, where I
00:21:24
made five hundred thousand dollars a year plus benefits
00:21:26
plus all this but pension plus retirement.
00:21:29
So at least Forbes is acknowledging that there is a
00:21:33
issue with the federal student loan availability, and why
00:21:36
that's contributed to some other things.
00:21:39
That they said that really contributed to a colleges
00:21:41
provide more student Support Services why they need to.
00:21:45
I, you know, this is one of those things where they've
00:21:48
created a Oh system on their own.
00:21:54
Let's say they says they stepped in to fill many roles for
00:21:56
students outside of education and this includes mental health
00:21:58
support which has become more necessary as college students,
00:22:01
navigate the pandemic, okay? Plus help securing housing,
00:22:05
food, Transportation, Child, Care and More childcare.
00:22:09
I mean, I guess you can pay with student loans for childcare
00:22:14
basically a lot of these universities have created their
00:22:17
own economic ecosystems. You don't Have to go anywhere.
00:22:21
There's grocery stores, there's cafeterias.
00:22:24
I mean, it's a basically, a little socialist Utopia where
00:22:28
the government pays for you to go to these places.
00:22:30
You don't have to worry about paying for any of it and it's
00:22:32
all provided to you, right? It's not provide to you for
00:22:35
free. I mean, you do have to pay for
00:22:36
this stuff, but they do create these little ecosystems to make
00:22:40
it feel like, oh, this is home as opposed to where college has
00:22:44
used to be a place where you went, you showed up, you went to
00:22:46
class and then you went home, and I was basically the whole
00:22:49
point was you want There to learn adding these Services
00:22:54
requires hiring, non-faculty, Personnel to staff management,
00:22:56
programs, at community colleges, that provide academic and
00:22:58
personal guidance, to students through individuals can cost a
00:23:01
thousand to fifty seven hundred per student changes.
00:23:06
Its state and local funding, which are going to get two more
00:23:09
in a little bit. Regarding the UC system, seeing
00:23:12
that a lot of states have not been kicking in as much as they
00:23:15
are supposed to. So for all these states,
00:23:19
especially, like here, In California that tout that they
00:23:21
have 100 billion dollar Surplus. They don't seem to really want
00:23:26
to put more into the edge of the college system to help that
00:23:30
overall increases in costs for Services, Industries like
00:23:33
education, unlike others of the county like manufacturing.
00:23:38
It's difficult to increase productivity and higher
00:23:40
education while maintaining the same experience.
00:23:43
New technology, improved methods can increase production at a
00:23:45
steel mill for example but there's not much Innovation to
00:23:47
introduce a traditional 10-person literature some Art
00:23:50
without sacrificing quality. I ain't yeah.
00:23:53
But it didn't change, though. I don't think a literature
00:23:57
seminar from 1980. Has drastically changed to now.
00:24:02
So now I want to move and kind of pivot to the UC system and I
00:24:07
didn't really know a lot about the UC system until I started
00:24:09
looking this up, I as an outsider, someone who's
00:24:13
out-of-state resident. I don't I didn't really know
00:24:14
much about the UC system, I know.
00:24:17
And I want to go to California for college, but I looked at UC
00:24:20
systems and saw them as a out-of-state resident.
00:24:23
That I said, this is really just unbelievably expensive.
00:24:25
I remember it was something like 60 dollars if I wanted to go
00:24:29
to someplace like a, you see as an out-of-state resident as
00:24:32
opposed to, I think for residents and I'm just quoting
00:24:36
here. I think it was a difference of
00:24:38
like 34 dollars, like sixty thousand dollars if you were out
00:24:41
of state and that's one of the things that they are planning
00:24:45
on. Now is that they want to get
00:24:46
more people from out of state to come to these, use these systems
00:24:49
to because they pay this full bow in private funds and the
00:24:52
state does The kick in as much. But this is something
00:24:55
interesting that I didn't know about the UC system.
00:24:57
I believe I heard it and I wanted to confirm it was that
00:25:02
the UC system was originally started as free college.
00:25:06
It was this idea that it was going to be free higher
00:25:10
education. In 1868 the organic act
00:25:14
Charters, the University of California.
00:25:16
It creates the UC Board of Regents as a governing body and
00:25:19
roughly outlines the board's Financial admission.
00:25:22
Bilities it states for the time, being an admission fee and rates
00:25:27
of tuition such as Board of Regents, shall deem expedient
00:25:30
may be required of each pupil as soon as the income of the
00:25:33
University, shall permit and Mission intuition shall be free
00:25:37
to all residents of the state. This is from the daily, the
00:25:42
daily clogged by the daily Californian.
00:25:45
I'll post all the links in the show notes for the podcast.
00:25:48
If you want to go check this out, that was it.
00:25:53
Supposed to be free in 1868 when they started they said the idea
00:25:58
of this is that it's going to be free education for everybody.
00:26:03
And that was 1868, that was a long time ago and that was where
00:26:09
it started from. And this is where the idea of
00:26:11
this broken, promise of the, UC system comes in is when you look
00:26:15
into the UC system and where it came from, and what the ideology
00:26:19
was, then you start to see well, How did they break the promise
00:26:25
and are they really not? Are they not living up to what
00:26:28
the goal of the you see is somebody ashore but funded by
00:26:31
who, I think it was funded somewhat by taxes and I think
00:26:37
was funded somewhat by the public.
00:26:38
It is a public education system, so that was the idea.
00:26:42
And I want to talk a little bit about that as well.
00:26:46
And yet State schools were free for a long time for a lot of
00:26:50
college, California residents, And that was sort of the thought
00:26:56
had through all of this and through almost over.
00:27:00
I don't know almost 100 years that higher education in the
00:27:04
state of California should be free.
00:27:06
And now you look at the cost and it's a lot more financially.
00:27:11
This is 1897. Financial aid is established for
00:27:13
needy and deserving students. 1921 though, tuition is still
00:27:19
free, California residents are now required to pay an
00:27:21
incidental fee of A total of $25 per year to cover services, not
00:27:26
related to instruction so stuff, too.
00:27:29
Like, maintain the actual University and stuff like that
00:27:33
tuition for non-residents in 1921 at a UC system.
00:27:39
You see school was $75 per year. 1956 incidental, fee raises to a
00:27:46
whopping eighty four dollars per year tuition for non-residents.
00:27:51
Then increases Hold up to $300 per year.
00:27:56
Tuition is still free for California residents into 1956,
00:28:01
right? In June 1956, there was still
00:28:04
free college. If you could do, if you could
00:28:06
get into these, you see systems. It was still free 1960.
00:28:12
The California master plan largely developed by Clark Kerr
00:28:15
supports. Keeping the UC system
00:28:17
tuition-free for California residents but maintains that
00:28:20
fees should be charged to cover cause coming from areas.
00:28:22
Such as Laboratories health and Athletics the two governing
00:28:26
boards. Reaffirm the long established
00:28:28
principle that state colleges and University of California
00:28:30
shall be tuition free to all residents the state.
00:28:33
So even continuing again, 1960, we still have free tuition for
00:28:38
all the uses. So, still free, still free,
00:28:44
still free. Now you get into the 70s in a
00:28:50
symbolic. Move away from free tuition for
00:28:52
Resident students must now pay an additional educational fee
00:28:55
right now in 1970. We get into the broken promise
00:28:58
of the UC system. The fee is $150 per year for
00:29:02
undergraduate students and $180 per year for graduate students,
00:29:05
again, still very reasonable but they already broke the promise
00:29:09
of 1868. That it was supposed to be free
00:29:13
as a public education, as a way to create public education for
00:29:16
higher Learners and can in Wood keeps going.
00:29:19
Keeps going increases and my 1996, it was 12 dollars.
00:29:25
2004 then Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and you you see
00:29:28
President Robert dines and then CSU Chancellor, Charles Reid,
00:29:32
strike a private deal called the higher education compact to
00:29:35
increase Reliance on private student fees.
00:29:38
So there you go, in 2004. Or we gain breaking news.
00:29:43
That SB 1918. Just failed.
00:29:46
It's big news. If we can confirm the SP 918,
00:29:48
just failed. That would make me very, very
00:29:50
happy. So now we're in 2004, the state
00:29:55
funds. Approximately 60% 16% of the
00:29:58
total you see budget 2011. For the first time, the total
00:30:01
amount of you see, students pay in tuition exceeds, the amount
00:30:04
of funding the UC system received from the state.
00:30:07
So until 2011, This was the first time you started to see
00:30:12
the switch from where the state was supposed to really provide
00:30:19
all the funding for this public education.
00:30:21
Again, this is public education, there's no secret as to where
00:30:24
the money's coming from, it's coming from taxpayers, it's
00:30:25
coming from the public, it's coming from us who are helping
00:30:29
to fund it. Now, we going to 2011, where you
00:30:34
see students are paying more intuition than the UC system is
00:30:39
actually getting. Ting from the state 2012 42% of
00:30:43
UC Berkeley undergraduates receive loans with an average
00:30:46
loan 4800 67 undergraduate students, own average of 19
00:30:52
thousand dollars by graduation. Still not a bad amount.
00:30:54
Still not, really a bad amount. 2013 2012 tuition is now the
00:31:01
largest single source of core operating funds.
00:31:03
Students contribute that nearly three billion dollars in tuition
00:31:05
fees versus the two point. Three eight billion, the state
00:31:07
contributes. So there you have Have it.
00:31:11
What was supposed to be public? Education funded by the state.
00:31:14
The promise of 1868 and this original charter for the
00:31:18
University of California. The whole UC system is now
00:31:22
officially broken that no longer.
00:31:25
Is it public education that was created by the state to allow
00:31:29
for people to go for free for California residents?
00:31:33
Now we've gotten to the point where the UC systems are funded
00:31:37
by students and their private loans or in this point Federal
00:31:41
backed loans. And you now see that they are no
00:31:47
longer even trying to get you see system back to a free
00:31:52
system. It is now a huge money making
00:31:54
opportunity of the UCS make billions and billions of
00:31:57
dollars, as you can see, I mean, three billion dollars in tuition
00:32:00
and fees. That's a lot of money for a lot
00:32:02
of these schools. And all the states only kicking
00:32:06
in 2.3. And this was in 2011,
00:32:09
approximately in this 2013, approximately 64 percent of UC
00:32:12
Berkeley undergraduates receive financial aid, including grants
00:32:15
scholarships work-study and Loans after a three-year tuition
00:32:19
freeze. The, you see Board of Regents
00:32:21
voted November 20th, to increase student fees by up to five
00:32:24
percent over the next five years.
00:32:26
So, the UC system is broken, right?
00:32:29
The idea of public education has failed or at least free, higher
00:32:32
education. Education has failed.
00:32:34
Why is that? I can only postulate it's likely
00:32:38
because of the addition of all these extra services that were
00:32:41
not. So really supposed to be a part
00:32:42
of college. Like we just talked about mental
00:32:45
health, child care, support, all of these things, safe spaces,
00:32:49
whatever, you know, Kitty ballrooms, where you can go
00:32:52
really stress or whatever it is those things.
00:32:56
Probably contributed a lot to the cost and where that's that
00:32:59
money is going to Also, once you start to see that you can make
00:33:03
money off of these students, why would you not make money off of
00:33:06
these students? And now that, you know, there's
00:33:08
going to be federally backed loans or the government's just
00:33:10
gonna be handing out loans. Why not try and make more money?
00:33:15
So these schools have expanded Beyond really what they were
00:33:18
supposed to initially, do, free education, free higher education
00:33:23
for people in California and it bothers me because it just shows
00:33:29
one thing about our state government, which is that its
00:33:31
priorities are not necessarily in the right place.
00:33:34
California is a could be a successful over incredibly
00:33:40
successful state. It is an incredibly successful
00:33:46
state. It was an incredibly successful
00:33:48
state for a long time. It's on a downward trajectory,
00:33:50
in my opinion. You could fun stuff like this if
00:33:55
you really cared about funding it, when you think about the
00:33:58
billions of dollars and where it goes, if you look at the budget
00:34:01
and you say, what would it cost to provide free education, just
00:34:05
education, not all this other stuff, not all the room and
00:34:08
board and all that. What would it cost to just
00:34:10
provide free education for the State of California?
00:34:12
Cut away the bottom of the bells and whistles cut, trim away the
00:34:15
fat. What would it cost to provide
00:34:17
that system to its citizens? And I bet we could afford it.
00:34:22
I really bet the state of California could actually get
00:34:25
back to that promise and give out free education and free
00:34:29
public education for Higher Learning.
00:34:32
Does that mean I necessarily want to do that, not
00:34:35
necessarily, but the point is that we've gotten so metastasize
00:34:40
and we've gotten so bloated with our budgets and we're we're
00:34:43
wasting money that if the UC system is now making all of its
00:34:47
money through private student fees and from student loans, And
00:34:52
you've broken what was supposed to be the original promise and
00:34:56
they're going to say they're going to say well we need more
00:34:59
money, that's why we need more money to help these students.
00:35:02
Instead of that, the state should give us more money or you
00:35:05
should give us more taxes. Because it's going to go to the
00:35:07
UC system. It's going to help people but
00:35:09
not when you're charging 40 are 60 thousand dollars a year,
00:35:13
I was going to look it up, but I know there's a whole bunch of
00:35:15
different places you could look at.
00:35:18
Let me just look up real quick while I take a break from
00:35:22
Chatting for a second. I do want to see, just out of
00:35:26
curiosity, UC San Diego tuition. We're doing this live because I
00:35:33
should have pulled this up and I'm sorry I didn't but that's
00:35:37
the beauty of a live show. Like this is sometimes you just
00:35:41
got to do it. Let's see.
00:35:44
But by 2023 tuition fee and chart and this is just for the
00:35:48
UC San Diego. Full partial fee summary here.
00:35:53
Let's see student services. It do do USC.
00:35:57
San Diego fees. What does that say?
00:35:59
Total for California resident. Now, as intuition.
00:36:04
I'm trying. This is really confusing.
00:36:05
The heck is this? I don't really know how to even
00:36:08
read this. It's like a spreadsheet that
00:36:10
doesn't really tell you anything, okay?
00:36:12
If anyone knows, you can just chime in the chat.
00:36:14
Let's say you see Burke Berkeley Adam Burke lead to Wishin.
00:36:25
No. Okay.
00:36:28
Tuition my computer. This was the technical stuff
00:36:31
that I was talking about is that my computer is freaking out and
00:36:34
we need a new computer. Okay there's some reason it
00:36:38
doesn't want to play nice today that's interesting but anyway
00:36:44
it's definitely not free anymore.
00:36:46
I know for a fact when I looked at it at the UC system is as
00:36:48
close to 60 dollars in this was almost like 15 years ago.
00:36:55
And there is this commentary. I'm going to talk about real
00:36:57
quick. And then we can get into the
00:36:59
comments and questions and all that.
00:37:02
It does look like SP 918 failed. So, we're getting this
00:37:07
information alive right now. On the show that it is.
00:37:12
That is officially dead. Hopefully, it is, right?
00:37:16
I'm just kind of asking you guys that it has failed because if it
00:37:19
has Great news for the Second Amendment.
00:37:22
People confirmed fail awesome. SB 19 has confirmed failed.
00:37:28
So for all you carrying concealed people, if you were if
00:37:31
you were apprehensive about it go out and apply for your CCW.
00:37:35
It's failed for this year. Go out and get it.
00:37:37
I mean I think you should go get it anyway regardless of whether
00:37:39
SP 918 was going to pass or not there's going to be struck down
00:37:42
in court but now you're there's really nothing holding you back.
00:37:45
Go out and get your CC W if you have it.
00:37:48
I mean just go apply for it right now.
00:37:50
So they do have To fix it though.
00:37:52
That's the one thing is they do have to fix that law because
00:37:56
currently now I'm getting off topic and we'll get back to what
00:37:59
the commentary about the UC system.
00:38:02
Currently if they don't fix the law right now, as is the law as
00:38:07
it stands on the books is actually unconstitutional.
00:38:11
You can't require good cause anymore under the Bruin
00:38:14
decision. So, currently the law for
00:38:16
carrying concealed requires that you go through a process that
00:38:20
shows good cause So technically the law in the framework, that
00:38:24
is on the books is unconstitutional.
00:38:28
And there was a demurrer that I think I went over basically
00:38:31
saying that you can't be charged for an unconstitutional
00:38:35
framework for you. See, schools tuition books and
00:38:38
fees are about 20 per year, not including housing, and
00:38:41
travel, is that for that's for residents, so twenty thousand
00:38:45
dollars a year. Let's see, this guy used to be.
00:38:51
I think he was a He was something involved in the UC
00:38:55
system. He's talking about the committee
00:38:59
commentary. California needs new master plan
00:39:01
for higher education, State should defund the UC system.
00:39:05
So he says the state should be completely out of the UC system.
00:39:09
That's his thing that the state should just stop funding.
00:39:14
The uses which really would be breaking the promise of the
00:39:18
original. UC system was that its public
00:39:20
education. If it's if the state's
00:39:21
completely out of it then it's no longer public education and
00:39:24
should the private university. So these problems are first, we
00:39:28
have an access crisis, the lack of expansion public
00:39:30
universities. Even as the California
00:39:31
population is growing slow California to fuse public
00:39:34
universities seeds per capita of any state in the country.
00:39:37
S, we have a quality problem. Well, the UC system is still
00:39:40
among the best public universities in the country.
00:39:42
There's been an inexcusable decline in overall rankings.
00:39:45
When I applied to college in 1989 Berkeley was ranked the
00:39:48
number 6 College in the country this year, had fallen to number
00:39:51
22, the third underpinning. The other two problems we have a
00:39:55
funding problem as the public. The Institute of California's
00:39:57
document higher education spending has been systematic.
00:40:00
They do you prioritize in Sacramento falling from 18
00:40:03
percent of the state budget 1977 to just 12 percent in 2017.
00:40:09
The funding Cuts have been felt mostly strongly at the
00:40:11
University of California where funding per full-time student
00:40:14
fell from 23 to only about 8 and then he talks about
00:40:20
his plan. Well, this was the plan.
00:40:23
This was the master plan by Clark Kerr, which I talked about
00:40:26
in the last article, the plan to find a system that would have
00:40:29
the elite tier, the University of California training, the
00:40:31
emerging knowledge, worker and managerial class, as well, as
00:40:33
doing basic research, that was the plan for the University of
00:40:36
California. So that you had like, sort of
00:40:38
the Eggheads were coming out of the UC system, the middle tier,
00:40:43
which is the state college has now joined together as the
00:40:45
California State University system.
00:40:47
Imagine that's all. A schools like San Diego State,
00:40:49
SF State and all that providing general education for the
00:40:53
expanding middle class and a broadly accessible lower tiers.
00:40:56
The first rung on the ladder are available to all the California
00:40:58
community colleges given the structure of the booming
00:41:01
industry industrial post-war economy in California.
00:41:03
This is the made a great deal of sense and was the foundation for
00:41:07
a long. Boom, that's solid.
00:41:08
California become arguably, the most successful comedy in the
00:41:11
world in the last third of the 20th century.
00:41:13
It's debatable but I don't think there's anything wrong with
00:41:17
having different levels of What people want his four-step
00:41:20
proposal would achieve. Both of these goals, are our
00:41:22
main Revenue neutral for the state transfer.
00:41:25
All you see State funding to CSUN, CCC to enable a wires
00:41:28
expansion, abolish. The University of California
00:41:30
office of president of all the property and governance to
00:41:32
individual. UCS, allow you cease to raise
00:41:35
in-state tuition levels to meet full funding needs.
00:41:38
So you sees would get even more expensive than than they already
00:41:42
are? Mostly because why not?
00:41:44
I mean, they can get the money from the federal government and
00:41:47
mandate 90%. Students come from in-state and
00:41:49
13 of tuition go to financial aid.
00:41:52
So That's his plan, probably the most controversial.
00:41:59
And this is a point that he would, he really talked about
00:42:02
that just shows you his contempt, probably the most
00:42:05
controversial element of The Proposal.
00:42:07
Would be to allow you cease to raise in-state tuition to
00:42:09
whatever level they would like this is essential to backfill
00:42:12
the loss of State funding at Berkeley.
00:42:14
For example, this would likely mean raising in-state tuition
00:42:17
sticker prices from the current 14 to about 25 or
00:42:20
perhaps a bit more in order to improve services on campus.
00:42:23
The campus is Also have a strong incentive to expand the size of
00:42:26
their student bodies in order to increase revenues.
00:42:29
Now, did you hear what he said there?
00:42:31
Right? You would increase the size of
00:42:34
the student bodies to make up for revenant.
00:42:38
He didn't say anything about cutting costs, or figuring out.
00:42:41
Why is it so expensive? Right?
00:42:44
He didn't say that. He didn't say, maybe we should
00:42:46
look at why. These things are so expensive
00:42:48
and we should fix that he said, let's just get more butts in the
00:42:51
seats and if you're knowing that, you're going to get a lot
00:42:54
of money from the federal government, and the faucets not
00:42:56
being turned off anytime soon. Then it's simple, right?
00:43:02
If you have a large supply of customers that are going to come
00:43:05
in and pay bring in as many customers as you want, you have
00:43:10
to worry about it like your bottom line.
00:43:11
The way you make your bottom line, look, better just get more
00:43:14
paying customers not look at cause because when you don't
00:43:17
have as many customers, you have to figure out how to cut cause
00:43:21
that's not his thing. And obviously, as a former
00:43:24
region or something like that, he obviously doesn't want to see
00:43:27
people and his buddies and Passers hurt in the financial
00:43:30
sense. So why not just increase the
00:43:32
size of the student body? So they can make even more
00:43:34
money. But who would be the losers in
00:43:39
this plan? The answer is basically only
00:43:41
three. The first would be the rich
00:43:44
families whose children currently are admitted to using
00:43:46
enjoy a state subsidized tuition.
00:43:48
This is a legitimate objection only if we believe that the
00:43:50
state should be subsidizing these most privileged of
00:43:53
Californians. Right, if that's your argument.
00:43:59
Who pays most taxes in the state of California, right?
00:44:05
Let me just say that. Who pays the majority of taxes.
00:44:09
Not only instead of California, but for the federal government,
00:44:14
I'll give you a second to respond in the chat.
00:44:18
Who pays the most taxes to fund the University of California.
00:44:23
Hmm. Could it be those Rich
00:44:26
privileged families? That get forty percent of their
00:44:29
income? Basically taken away from them
00:44:31
under California, income, taxes. Possibly.
00:44:36
So, where do all those taxes is not the people at the bottom of
00:44:39
the income rongeur, funding all that money.
00:44:42
So it's middle class and up, middle-upper class, and up.
00:44:50
So he's saying that it's not fair, that rich families are
00:44:54
well-to-do privileged families who pay most of the taxes in the
00:44:58
state of California. Can't send their kids to school
00:45:02
at the UCS that they pay taxes to to fund these universities
00:45:06
because their kids would be getting subsidized tuitions. so
00:45:12
the people who pay the most in taxes, basically have to sit on
00:45:15
the sidelines and take it That's his argument.
00:45:20
When the creation again, go back to the promise of 1868.
00:45:25
Was there a promise that oh, we're going to create public
00:45:29
education. For those of lower economic
00:45:31
status. Was that the original promise?
00:45:35
No. The original promise was all,
00:45:37
California residents that they were all going to be able to get
00:45:40
free education. Now, this guy's advocating that
00:45:45
we should only allow people, get access to these UCS who are not
00:45:52
privileged, even though they're paying the most in taxes, That's
00:45:56
sort of a backwards logic of where does the money come from?
00:46:00
And you're not allowing them to enjoy it.
00:46:02
So if that's the case, I would imagine the people who are
00:46:06
paying, these taxes are going to go.
00:46:07
Well then, why am I paying taxes the UC system if you're not
00:46:10
allowed my kid to go there or you going to make them pay full
00:46:12
boat, Don't watch the point and I guess this whole thing is get
00:46:17
the state out of it, fine. Then a lot of people probably
00:46:21
won't go to the UCS and they probably won't pay full boat.
00:46:25
They'll just go somewhere else. The second possible set of
00:46:28
losers, could be used to use that find themselves unable to
00:46:31
compete effectively which could include the campuses at Merced
00:46:34
in Riverside. However, they would hold their
00:46:35
fate in their own hands. If they improve their product
00:46:37
enough, to be able to generate the demand for their higher
00:46:40
tuition product, they find would no doubt find themselves very
00:46:43
attractive. Sure.
00:46:45
That's actually a legitimate argument without this state back
00:46:48
in you. Without the state kind of being
00:46:50
your safety net you would actually have to compete for
00:46:53
those private dollars in a sort of marketplace.
00:46:58
So how do you do that? You're going to make a better
00:46:59
product. You won't be subsidized by the
00:47:01
state anymore, so therefore, you got to figure it out.
00:47:04
I actually agree with that. Argh iodide, it's complete
00:47:07
turnaround from the argument before, where he basically said,
00:47:10
if you're rich and you're paying a lot in taxes, we shouldn't be
00:47:13
subsidizing your child to go to the UC system.
00:47:15
What you are paying for The last and most subtle side of losers
00:47:19
are those who insist on hanging, on to the old system and its
00:47:22
Superior excusing. Superannuated vision of the
00:47:27
California colony and Broken Social compact.
00:47:30
But a mentally we need a new system that matches the needs of
00:47:33
the state as they evolved since 1960.
00:47:36
A new master plan for higher education, California would be a
00:47:39
crucial step for enabling a new and better California or just a
00:47:43
new and better. Public education system.
00:47:46
Not necessarily known better California.
00:47:49
There's a lot. I could go into about student
00:47:51
loans and I'll end with this. And kind of bringing it back
00:47:55
around. At the end of the day, we don't
00:47:59
really figure out the root cause of why student loans are a
00:48:02
problem. We're never going to solve
00:48:04
student loans. And this is just the first, this
00:48:08
will just be the first in a long line of gimmes by the Democrats
00:48:12
were going to say, well, we'll give you a little bit more, you
00:48:14
know, make sure you you know, vote for us in the midterm
00:48:18
because you never know, there might be another student loan
00:48:20
forgiveness right around the corner for you.
00:48:24
And maybe we'll forgive you more this time, it will be twenty
00:48:26
thousand dollars before you know if you keep voting us and we'll
00:48:28
just keep wiping away the debt even though you don't wipe away
00:48:31
that it has to go somewhere. and if you're not addressing the
00:48:35
fact that these this system currently as it is With the
00:48:40
federal government, basically issuing loans and writing them
00:48:42
up as much as possible. Then you're not going to solve
00:48:46
it, we have to get the federal government out of universities.
00:48:49
We have to cut off the spigot and these universities are going
00:48:52
to have to return to some sort of economical way of running
00:48:58
their universities, they can't continue.
00:49:00
Just look at the only way to get more people is to get more butts
00:49:04
in the seats. They that can't be the only way
00:49:06
they have to say, well I want the best and the brightest and
00:49:09
we're going to do it this way or that way.
00:49:11
And it doesn't have to be about providing all these different
00:49:13
services to make it a Utopia that you Like some sort of
00:49:15
canvas. Those are the hard issues and
00:49:18
nobody wants to hear that. Nobody wants to really talk
00:49:20
about it in the sense that they don't want to talk about taking
00:49:23
away stuff. They just want to say.
00:49:27
We're going to do this and we're going to forgive all forgive ten
00:49:30
thousand dollars of your student loan or up to 20 dollars.
00:49:36
But we're not really going to fix the problem and we still
00:49:38
expect the state to continue doing it.
00:49:42
It's like when they announced that they're going to be a 75
00:49:44
hundred dollar tax credit on cars here in California for if
00:49:50
you get an electric car you know what the car manufacturers then
00:49:54
go out and do They're not dumb. They go out and they were
00:50:00
increase their prices by 8 dollars.
00:50:04
Why? Because they know you're getting
00:50:05
7500 dollars. What is it called universities
00:50:09
going to do. Now, if they know that the
00:50:11
federal government's just going to keep forgiving loans, they
00:50:14
may increase their tuition because why not?
00:50:19
It doesn't really change their not being held to any sort of
00:50:24
standard. They're not having their feet
00:50:25
held to the fire. Right.
00:50:29
There's a lot of ways you can fix this in my mind, I think you
00:50:32
can do plenty of things. I think you can one, which is
00:50:37
one plan that I've advocated for is that you can make student
00:50:40
loan federal student loan payments, pre taxable.
00:50:44
Why not let's make them pre tax payments.
00:50:46
Like, 401K you can pay into a 401k for your retirement.
00:50:49
Why not pay down your student loans with pre tax payments, If
00:50:55
that's one way to do it could do it that way.
00:50:58
I think trade schools should be free.
00:51:02
If they want to dump billions of dollars into some sort of school
00:51:05
system, I think trade school should be free.
00:51:06
I think we need more blue collar workers.
00:51:08
There's a lot of ways to doing a lot of ways to fix what's going
00:51:11
on. So, I found nothing on a JSP
00:51:16
918, not a good sign. They may pull off a last-minute
00:51:19
vote in the night. Some people confirm that it was
00:51:22
dead or maybe now we're getting conflicting reports about SP
00:51:26
918. Some people said it was dead.
00:51:28
Some people confirmed, I can't see it right now but there's a
00:51:31
lot of ways to fix it in the right now.
00:51:33
This is not the way to fix it and if you see system is any
00:51:36
sort of indication is eventually they're going to break the
00:51:40
promise that this idea, we can provide all of this For free
00:51:47
without it ever increasing without someone putting their
00:51:50
hand in the cookie jar and trying to get more out of it.
00:51:55
Then the UC system is the perfect example of what happens
00:51:58
when the state gets involved in education.
00:52:00
And that's just, that's really sort of the whole issue here is
00:52:04
the state being involved in public education.
00:52:06
So anyway, got a couple minutes left for comments or questions.
00:52:13
I know people are talking about SB 918, that it said, it was
00:52:15
failed yesterday. Nothing should be free.
00:52:21
People want to make a life for themselves.
00:52:22
They need to sacrifice for agree.
00:52:24
Yeah. I guess that explains why Newsom
00:52:29
is clutching as pearls over UCLA leaving for the Big Ten.
00:52:34
I think he's just trying to be an Everyman and talk about
00:52:37
something that makes him seem like an Everyman sort of guy.
00:52:42
I don't think he really cares about college football or
00:52:44
anything like that. Do you think, do you think
00:52:46
noodles are sitting there watching college football every
00:52:49
Saturday? They're trying today.
00:52:54
Again, I see Moms Demand victims.
00:52:55
Tweeting about it. Full-force.
00:52:58
Interesting, so worried, I guess the SP 918, we're still kind of
00:53:01
on the fence of what's going on. Conflicting, reports kind of
00:53:04
coming in. There's a lot of Revenue to be
00:53:06
made in college football. Yeah, there absolutely is.
00:53:09
There's a lot of money if you met in college football?
00:53:10
I think I'm of the belief that like, these athletic
00:53:15
scholarships. I don't know.
00:53:17
I think they get ridiculous. I do a lot of people rely on
00:53:22
them. I Why we don't have like the
00:53:25
whole system is just kind of gotten way out of hand so you
00:53:29
have the arm scholar on the podcast.
00:53:31
He does Google. Yeah arm Scholars, really great,
00:53:33
I like arm scholar. I like Marino mang.
00:53:35
They're all very very smart. I realize watch a lot of their
00:53:38
stuff so it'd be great to have the arm scholar on.
00:53:40
Maybe I can sit down with them and talk about this, they're
00:53:43
both Californians. I know that you know may is
00:53:45
definitely California to do cuz he's so excited he's wrong.
00:53:52
Run around on his Vineyards. That take massive amounts of
00:53:54
water. That's denied to our Farmers.
00:53:57
Yeah. And taking tax breaks under his
00:53:59
Winery and using it as a vehicle to avoid taxes.
00:54:03
Like when they sold, when the house that he lives in.
00:54:07
Now was given to his LLC to avoid taxes for million-dollar
00:54:12
house. And this guy wants to talk about
00:54:17
paying your fair share when he's using as LLC as a way to kind of
00:54:21
funnel property and money to them to avoid taxes.
00:54:24
There's a lot going on. If you look in a plump Jack
00:54:26
Winery and what he's done with pump jack Winery, And how human
00:54:31
is business partner? Have used Plum check Winery as
00:54:34
their own sort of piggy bank. I mean, the corruption goes way
00:54:38
deeper, I don't know if you got PVP long as there's a good
00:54:41
question. Whether that's a good question
00:54:45
about PPP loans and whether Plum check Winery, will Plum, Jack
00:54:48
Winery was open. Remember Plum, check Winery was
00:54:51
open during the entire pandemic. So, it wouldn't be.
00:54:55
I mean, he could get it, but he didn't have to close.
00:54:58
Remember that was the whole thing was.
00:55:00
His Winery remained open while everyone else was shut down.
00:55:06
So look into pumpjack Winery, looking to plump, Jack Winery
00:55:11
and Jason Kenney. If you want to really go down
00:55:13
the rabbit hole of noodles, corruption, Jason Kenney, I've
00:55:18
said this before on the show, do you think any is the top oil and
00:55:21
gas lobbyists in the state of California?
00:55:25
And he is best friends with noodles and they are really
00:55:29
close. In fact, if you want any
00:55:32
evidence that they are best friends, the whole French law.
00:55:36
Laundry issue. That was he was going to a
00:55:40
birthday party for Jason Kenney. That was his birthday party,
00:55:43
where they spent fifteen thousand dollars on the bar tab.
00:55:46
So, I don't know how that's not a conflict that he's getting
00:55:50
wined and dined by this lobbyists or anything like that.
00:55:53
That's the big issue that we always kind of look over, is
00:55:55
that? Oh, yeah, he went out maskless
00:55:58
at a fancy restaurant, that none of us could probably afford.
00:56:04
But that's not really the issue, the issue is that he was there
00:56:07
with Jason Kenney was a big oil and gas lobbyists and no one
00:56:11
talks about that. No one talks about that issue.
00:56:13
That he's really close friends with them and as soon as he
00:56:16
became Governor he issued I think a half a dozen leases or
00:56:21
so to companies that Jason Kenney lobbied for that got
00:56:25
special sort of exceptions and special privileges.
00:56:30
So, If you want to go down that rabbit hole who Jason Kenney is
00:56:34
and nobody talks about Jason Kenney and his weird
00:56:37
relationship with Newsom. He was on like his gubernatorial
00:56:41
board and like his transition team and then he jumped off the
00:56:44
transition team went back to being a lobbyist and then all of
00:56:46
a sudden there's these oil and gas permits that were issued
00:56:49
after he was on. It's like this if you ever want
00:56:53
to look into it there's a whole bunch of stuff.
00:56:56
Yeah. Ironic we can produce so much
00:56:58
more oil. Well, California computers a ton
00:57:01
of oil. Oil, you know, and I've said
00:57:03
this before, someone in the chat just said ironically could
00:57:06
produce so much more oil if we wanted.
00:57:10
California. I think has a good economy
00:57:14
despite what California does or in spite of what California does
00:57:19
that's the correct terminology in spite meaning that yeah
00:57:24
there's still a lot of people who want to come to California.
00:57:26
There's still demand for people who want to come to California.
00:57:29
Not necessarily businesses businesses are leaving at a high
00:57:32
rate which is going to hurt in the long run.
00:57:35
There is so much potential of what California could be, you
00:57:39
know. We could produce a ton of oil
00:57:42
and sell it to other states. And make up a mint.
00:57:48
Not the state necessarily. I mean, the people who do that
00:57:51
workers create jobs, create economies great, small town,
00:57:55
economies around these oil wells.
00:57:58
I mean, the small towns that are around these oil, wells could
00:58:01
pop up and make for jobs and stuff like that.
00:58:03
Because you think about when there's a center of economic
00:58:07
activity, like an oil, well with people with money who want to
00:58:10
live in that area and then they want to live in, you know, dine
00:58:14
in that area. Guess what kind of me pops up
00:58:16
around that too. There's natural gas.
00:58:20
There is a ton of opportunity natural resources.
00:58:24
There's a ton of opportunity here in the state of California
00:58:26
to do a lot of these things, but a lot of it is chopped off at
00:58:31
the legs because of the Greenies who don't want to allow anything
00:58:35
to happen and instead they would rather We cover all of our
00:58:39
beautiful Hills with the solar panels, that then have to be
00:58:44
disposed of in 10 years. Just a short 10 years and we
00:58:48
still don't know how to really get rid of them and recycle them
00:58:51
or dispose of them in a proper way that is still
00:58:54
environmentally sound. So, Makes you wonder where the
00:58:59
priorities are and I can tell you the priorities are not with
00:59:02
you, that's for sure. They tell you these green
00:59:03
policies because they want to push him for the Greenies and
00:59:06
the lobbyists who Blobby on behalf of it and donate to their
00:59:10
campaigns. So, lots of great job
00:59:15
opportunities for jobs and oil blue-collar folks that would
00:59:17
make a ton of money. Yeah, there's a lot of work to
00:59:20
be done in oil in California has I think we went over a couple
00:59:24
weeks ago, we talked about all the refineries that had been
00:59:28
paused or shutdown or stuff like that and there's only like
00:59:31
several that are still hanging on by a thread.
00:59:34
But if you re opened a lot of these refineries and Wells, all
00:59:38
of a sudden, there's a huge amount of activity that could be
00:59:40
done and I don't understand why we're by Oil from different
00:59:45
countries. When there's so much oil we
00:59:48
could produce here under our watchful eye.
00:59:51
Making sure it's done responsibly and cleanly at the
00:59:57
end of day. We could we could create and
01:00:00
help people here in our own backyard.
01:00:03
Instead we're buying a lot of oil from like Latin America
01:00:08
which then requires ships to get it over here.
01:00:11
It's just it doesn't make any sense to me.
01:00:16
They'll make us a lot of sense to a lot of people.
01:00:18
You know, if you could if you're that worried about it, I would
01:00:23
rather say like hey we could do it here where we know what's
01:00:28
going on and we can At least have some regulation on it as
01:00:32
opposed to buying it from another country that you don't
01:00:35
know what's going on with their regular.
01:00:37
Are they hurting the environment?
01:00:39
Is it not as efficient? Are they spilling it and stuff
01:00:41
like that? So just goes to show that their
01:00:46
priorities are not really in the right place.
01:00:48
All right, I'll take a couple more questions and chat.
01:00:51
As I said tomorrow, we'll be back with a live podcast, 8 p.m.
01:00:53
or going to be going over Newsome's tick-tocks.
01:00:59
Love is true thing. And in fact checking it should
01:01:00
be fun, there's gonna be a lot to talk about.
01:01:01
He's got a lot of tick-tock so he's a big fan.
01:01:06
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01:02:48
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I thought you and hope, I hope everyone enjoyed.
01:02:53
I thought it'd be interesting to talk about student loan crisis,
01:02:56
in sort of a California lens. As we always like, to do, I
01:03:02
heard about the bill been a popular vote.
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Was that real or legal? I don't know.
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I haven't heard that one. Any plan to make a sleeveless?
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One? A sleeveless?
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Wear the tank top. They don't, I don't think they
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01:03:23
p.m. we'll be going over the tick.
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01:03:28
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