On this episode we are joined again by Natalie Beisner to discuss the latest pandemic pandemonium between renewed COVID restrictions and monkey pox.
Links in Show
https://californiaglobe.com/articles/sf-sen-scott-wiener-demands-monkeypox-state-of-emergency-but-defends-weekend-kink-fetish-street-festival/
https://www.dailynews.com/2022/08/03/la-county-hopes-to-move-out-of-high-covid-category-thursday/
https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/response/2022/us-map.html
https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/transmission.html
https://www.sfaf.org/collections/beta/douchies-guide-to-a-dore-alley-without-fear-of-monkeypox/?utm_source=print&utm_medium=poster-palm&utm_campaign=dore_2022
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Thanks for tuning in to another episode of California
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underground podcast. We have a pretty jam-packed show
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tonight. I'm excited for this topic
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mostly because it's very Three against topical you could say,
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even I always appreciate when we pick a topic and then it ends up
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that this topic becomes even more relevant as the week goes
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on. So we're calling this the
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pandemic pandemonium, we're going to talk about covid, how
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it tried to make a comeback. Covid.
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A thing again, didn't really pan out and then we're going to talk
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about now. The whole craze is monkeypox,
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everyone's talking about monkeypox, it's a new not Public
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Health. Emergency along with California,
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declaring a state of emergency. San Diego, has declared a public
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health emergency. Everyone's declaring Public
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Health emergencies. It's all the rage right now and
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here to talk about it, as always, one of our favorite
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people. Emergency and her take.
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I is Natalie. Welcome back Natalie.
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How are you tonight? I'm doing well, thank you for
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having me glad to be back as always.
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I have my trusty co-host Cynthia here as well.
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How are you doing? Doing great.
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Very excited to jump into this topic.
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Excellent. I guess we'll start with covid
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because it kind of came and went, right?
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Like there was this big fear that Barbara Ferreira was going
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to put Mass back in LA county. I don't it never really caught
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as much steam as I think she was hoping.
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I don't know. You maybe not only, can let me
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know she's up in that area. So she could definitely tell me
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I know when Beverly Hills Said, we're not doing Mass anymore.
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I felt like that kind of took the wind out of her sails, but
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what was your take? So, we're going to start
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thinking about going back to mask.
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I don't know if this is just something I tell myself, but I
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honestly thought it was going to happen and I think it would have
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happened. I think it was some of the
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pushback. I think it was video had come
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out of her at a Dodger game and she was outside, but it was a
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state of emergency, allegedly. And it's just an odd thing to be
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at a Dodger game unmasked and I've never seen her unmasked
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before, I think I've always seen her with a mask on, and then
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there was the story that came out that her daughter had
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authored a study that they had heavily relied on to support
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masking and whenever I would go to the Los Angeles Public Health
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Department Twitter page, he doesn't have a personal Twitter,
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it's very mixed in the comments and there would be people
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wanting it, but then there would be a lot of people pushing back,
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and I really think that it was that Combined with Beverly Hills
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and Long Beach. I think there was one other
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neighborhood that said they weren't going to do it but I
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don't know. I thought it was coming and I
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almost wanted it to come to see what people would do whether
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they would really comply in August of 2022 with everything
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else going on under the current Administration.
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But I kind of told myself that it's because of some of the
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pushback, but who knows? I hope we never see him again,
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though, because they say cases went down, and if they went down
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without Out masks then I guess they can go down without masks
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and we know that now. Oh and then there was also a la
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USD and a hospital saying that only 10% of their covid.
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Patients were actually coming in with covid symptoms.
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They were just the other 90% were in there for other reasons
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that they just happen to test positive.
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So I think all of those things combined just took the wind out
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of her sails. Yeah, see what they were trying
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and then it was almost immediately it this one sec, I'm
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having a little bit of time there.
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It seemed like the the pushback was almost immediate like and
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the rest of the country almost looked at it was like are you
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seriously thinking about going back to masks like this is
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insane and and everyone always points to California and look is
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like, of course, California is going to go back to mass and
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they're going to be the Was go back to my ass and I don't know,
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it was a lot of the pushback, they did say they're going into
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the high. At aghori.
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And now I'm looking at the Los Angeles Daily News, That's LA
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County hopes to move out of the hike, covid category Thursday,
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so who knows who's really paying attention to the numbers
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anymore. Even Newsome didn't really make
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a big deal about cope. It's starting to come back and I
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think maybe there's covid fatigue.
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Can you agree that? I think there's a lot of covid
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fatigue. It's hard to think about going
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back to covid after everything that we've been through.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I know there's a lot
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of people still voluntarily masking, which is totally their
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prerogative, but I would say, overall that there must be some
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covid wig even among people who have not had it this whole time.
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So it's hard to imagine it is a step backwards, she said it
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wasn't, but you know, it is a step backwards masking when we
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know now that if we want to go back to mass mandates, they're
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not handing out in 95 switch. I wouldn't want them to do
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anyways. People are going to put on their
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cloth masks again, if they even comply, and we know that Those
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don't work, they don't do anything even surgical masks, so
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none of it makes any sense and I hope we have seen the end of
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masking for covid. So now leave, like there's a lot
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of speculation, different reasons.
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And, you know, because we are a political podcast and, you know,
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midterms are coming up. Do you think part of the reason
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is? Because people are tired ready
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to move on? Do you think part of it because
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it's politically motivated or do you think people, you know, are
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way focused on Other issues like how we're paying six dollars for
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gas. Like what's your take on that?
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Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I think it could go both ways, I
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think they kind of need a crisis to almost distract from six
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dollar gas and everything else going on, but then also it's
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not. He said he was going to come in
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and he had a plan for covid, you know?
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So, and clearly it hasn't gone well and he's, you know, now
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sick with covid twice in a row. So I Would they would be more
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inclined to push it under the rug and not use that as a
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distraction but I don't really know.
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It was bizarre to me that we were even playing with that in
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La even in LA county, but I don't know, maybe it is.
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I know a lot of people say, well, it'll be back for the
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midterms and that kind of thing to encourage mail-in voting.
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And all of that, I don't know. I'm sure we probably haven't
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seen the last of it, right? Yeah, I don't know if it will.
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I think a lot of people are like, well, it's just in time.
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I'm for the midterms and all that.
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And I don't know if I want to go down that alley that or it's
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like here we it comes, here comes the big plan to get
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everyone to like do mail-in voting and stuff like that.
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I think they genuinely think. Maybe this is an Overton window.
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I think we talked about this last week with Dan on the vodka.
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And it's all about sort of this Overton window of how fast can
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we get people to change their behavior on like a dime and it
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seems like They were pretty successful with covid, they were
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able to get people to completely upend their lives.
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Stopped what they were doing, and changes everything that they
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were doing. And yeah, I think they were
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trying to say, can we keep pressing that button and making
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people do what we want them to and mass or clearly the most
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easiest way to see? Can we get you to put a mask on
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your face? And can we get you to do what we
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want? Just at the drop of a hat.
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You're right. Yeah, I mean but that's just so
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bold, now that we've seen so many things come out that mask
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don't work and the vaccines don't work.
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I mean, I don't know if I'm allowed to say that whatever.
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Yes, you're right. I do think that they are there
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was an obviously, an element of control and they want to see how
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far they can push it but just so strange to me to go back to that
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when regular people even people who aren't as obsessed, as I
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like know that these things clearly didn't have the effect
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that we were told they were going to have so I don't know.
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it's very bold to go back to that type of control, just to
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see Yeah, it's but I was when I saw this and then I saw people.
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It's interesting because you could see just the Rumblings of
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it were enough to get people to kind of get a little bit more
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scared about and just the news saying covitz making a comeback.
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It's the numbers are going up. You could round and see around
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your community and see like, hey, More people are wearing
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Mass. Like, this is really happening.
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People are thinking like we're going back into these lockdowns
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and it is interesting to just see unlike a sociological level
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of how fast people are to just listen to the news and the media
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and say, oh my gosh, covid-19 are going up.
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Okay, everyone put your mask back on, everyone has to, you
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know, just jump back into what we were doing before.
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Regardless of whether if we know it works or not we're just going
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to go right back into it. Yeah.
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Yeah you're right. And I I know I've said this
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before and I know, you know this, but you know, I'm a
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reasonable person. I think we all are I'm willing
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to do things to help out other people.
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Obviously I started all of this, you know, very afraid of covid
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and wearing a mask all the time and I happen to be a Democrat.
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I'm not saying the two are related in any way, but it's
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like, when does this in, you know, what is in-game, and
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clearly there is no in-game, unless it's zero covid.
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It just I think people need to have a.
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Okay, this is how long we're going to do this for this is the
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goal. We're trying to reach and
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clearly we have lost that with covid and I don't know how
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anyone can accept that anymore even if you are immune
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compromised or afraid or whatever, I mean there has to be
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some kind of clear finish line, or goal.
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Yeah. And they clearly seems to be
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like they figured out this method of getting people to to
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jump and and they're jumping and maybe they're going to try this
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with monkey pox. I have to fix a technical issue.
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You two ladies, Talk Amongst yourself.
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I'll be right back. So don't leave the studio.
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I'll be right back. Okay?
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Okay. As they said on-site, live Talk,
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Amongst yourselves. I'll be back.
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Okay. Hey, girl.
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Hey, this always seems to happen when I'm on.
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I get him off and get me alone. Oh my gosh.
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Just trying to figure out what we can and can't say.
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Yeah, I'm not, I'm not sure. No, it's funny.
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Like I always like I remember there was a period where I think
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Instagram has even tracking your DM.
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So even like in the DMs I would say the V just to be safe.
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Wow, okay. Yeah, I mean there's crazy stuff
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where I'm one of my first YouTube videos was taken down
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and I you know, I have like four subscribers so I believe it that
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basically nothing is safe, you know?
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I don't know. So, You're back.
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Now that I'm back technical issues subsided I'm to kind of
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pivot into I think topic that we want to get to which is monkey
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pox, which is this week and it was just a clear state of see
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recently. And now it's been declared a
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public health National correct term, Cynthia.
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Am I getting that correct? You saw this before.
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Yeah, Public Health Emergency by the United States.
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Okay so we got state of emergency.
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He's all over the place, San Diego declare a state of
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emergency, all sorts of crazy things are happening right now.
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Everyone's freaking out about monkeypox.
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Find this. Well, first off, let's start
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with this and I won't before we get nuked off of you.
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Let's see if this actually works this time trying to share my
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still out on what this works or not.
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Apologies to everyone, new platform?
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Yeah. Stretching our legs.
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Wait for it. Okay.
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So I want to say this is from an authoritative Source.
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This is from cdc.gov and just so we're clear.
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So that the algorithm doesn't think that we're spreading
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misinformation. We're getting this from the
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cdc.gov. Now Natalie if you cite from
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this That's Miss information. Well anyway, and it says,
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monkeypox spreads in a few ways monkeypox can spread to anyone
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through close personal often skin-to-skin contact, including
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direct contact with monkeypox, rash scabs or bodily fluids from
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a person. Objects fabric surfaces that
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have been used by someone with monkeypox contact with
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respiratory secretions. Sneezing coughing.
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I guess that's a respiratory secretion.
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The direct contact can happen during intimate contact,
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including if you have children watching 321.
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Or export touching the genitals and it goes into everything or
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anus. I like how they have to put
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parentheses butthole, it's just weird for the CDC to put that of
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a person with monkeypox hugging massage contact, touching fat
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objects during sex that were used by a person with monkey
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pox. This bedding towels fetish gear.
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It's not all those. I think that's two last things
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are going to be key into how we're going to Pivot into what
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has happened here in California, Senator Scott.
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Wiener what happened? Why does telephone, you have 800
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monkeypox where the second in the nation?
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You're so everyone's clear on the ground rules, this is how
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monkeypox spreads, right? Yes, yes.
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he feels Frozen, should have just want one, but Okay.
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Hold on. One sec.
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We may be. There we go.
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All good. Yep.
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So for those listening and watching we're just having some
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technical difficulties but fair the show is going on.
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Don't leave? Yeah, it's hard.
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Figuring out a new platform, I'm sure.
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Yeah but we've had but I know from a Content creation of just
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as just a plug for Riverside, I know, I'm frozen, it's great to
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be able to had it and repurpose your content.
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But yeah, so but yeah, like, as we were mentioning, we were
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going through the CDC reliable source, number one source to get
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public health information. We just went over.
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How one can contract monkey pox and now we do, you know if Los
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Angeles declared a health of state of emergency we good.
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We good. Yeah, couple days ago.
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I think Monday. Okay.
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You know, horns County did by any chance.
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I don't think so. Hmm.
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Okay, I know San Francisco. Did I know New York City dead?
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And now the country. Yeah, I think it will be very
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interesting to see, so obviously those that are heavily more
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democratic is more inclined to declare these day of
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emergencies. I think it'll be very
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interesting to see how Republican strongholds react to
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it. Yeah, I don't know.
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I mean I guess the state of emergency is what is it to get
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more funding and that kind of thing.
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It doesn't necessarily mean. We're actually in a state of
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emergency obviously that is very true.
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If one declares a state of emergency this is factually
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correct but when a county and the state they are inclined to
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receive funding to be able to propagate and to be able to
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combat the state of emergency. Okay.
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Hello, you're back. Yeah, God, I'm so embarrassed.
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I feel this is the first time I ever happen.
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No, you're fine. We were just talking about how,
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you know, we're speculating on how, you know, all these
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different counties in the state and how, you know, cross the
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country. It's mostly the blue States,
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blue counties, that are declaring the.
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So we're just speculating on how a Republican or red area would
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would On to this emergency and you know, we were also just
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discussing how, you know, what's the intense of a save emergency
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and factually speaking one is able to get funding if they
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declare it. So we're just going down the
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rabbit hole there, which is factually, true.
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California did receive a lot of funding or this.
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So Yeah, it's it's interesting that it is the deep blue states
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that have jumped all over monkey pox and have declared a state of
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emergency. I haven't, I don't think Rhonda.
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Sanchez has declared a state of emergency in Florida.
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I don't think so. I think it's only now for New
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York, mostly big cases. Yeah.
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What have we held it? While I was gone to we pivot
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into our favorite state. Senator Scott wiener, we were
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saving him for You I don't like the way you phrase that I don't
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want to ever say all that notes. Got we're is one of I guess you
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would say more liberal and Progressive Democrats.
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He's from San Francisco. If there's ever a weird it's
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like a good chance that is Scott wiener is behind it.
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And one of those things that he tweeted and I guess we can kind
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of go back around this, but he's been pushing really hard on
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Monkey pox and what's going on? He is a out and open gay, man.
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So I guess you can say that, that's who he's fighting for.
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And he's been the most outspoken.
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He's actually also been named the head of the community
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oversight committee for all monkeypox in California.
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Cynthia. You sent that to me.
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Hmm, that's correct oversight. Yeah, there's now an oversight
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committee to see what's going on with my job.
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So he tweeted lecturing people, not to have sex isn't a public
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health strategy it didn't stop HIV, it made it worse and won't
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stop monkeypox. What will work is vaccination?
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Testing and education. Now I feel like this is where
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we're really going to start getting into the nitty-gritty
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monkey pox and I think we're all going to get pretty.
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We have a lot of strong feelings about this.
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Why did he tweet this out? Is because there's been a Poor
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relation, and I want to make sure I say this correctly.
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It's not that monkey pox is purely a disease that affects
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only the gay male Community, right?
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It is not just a gay man disease, so I want to make that
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clear it? Can't we read the what happens?
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We know how it spreads so we know that if two heterosexual
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each other, one is monkeypox one doesn't you can still get
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monkey? a box, but it has spread in the
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past month or so, in certain areas because it was proper
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Okay, I'm still here. And this was incredibly was
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instead of saying, hey guys monkey pox spreads from
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skin-to-skin transmission and we know this and we know it's very
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contagious. If people are very close
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together in the rubbing up, on each other, that they said,
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maybe we should cancel this thing called door alley.
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And for those of you don't know, it's also called up your alley
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fit. Wikipedia is a leather and
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fetish event held in San Francisco California on the last
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Sunday of July, on Folsom Street, between 9th and 10th
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streets. And on door, street, from Howard
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Street to half a block, south east of Folsom Street, and it's
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a BDS BDSM fetish and leather event.
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So this is not again, this isn't the right wing far, right?
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Wing propaganda of saying we're making this up as BDSM and all
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that. This is literally what happened,
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just recently, hmm. Everyone still with me.
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Everyone in a grant. Yeah.
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Yes. And a day after this California
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declared a state of emergency not door Ali.
00:22:41
It was the day after you sent me this tweet with this mascot and
00:22:50
this PSA they put out do she's guy to adore Ali without fear of
00:22:55
monkeypox. Not only did you see this?
00:22:59
I did. Yeah, I went through the guide.
00:23:03
You went through the full guide. Yeah.
00:23:05
Did you find it Educational? Learning from douchey, the
00:23:08
mascot? Yeah, I did.
00:23:10
I did I wonder where? Well, I won't jump ahead.
00:23:14
But yeah, I definitely. I feel confident to be able to
00:23:17
go to Door Ali next year, and yes, not be.
00:23:20
So, I wish I could show this to everyone, but again, we're
00:23:23
having some weird taking technical difficulties tonight.
00:23:26
I don't know if that's the bad. San Diego, screwed everything
00:23:29
up. Whenever there's bad weather in
00:23:30
San Diego, it screws. Everything up.
00:23:32
People can't drive people know themselves and it basically has
00:23:38
this cute little character of a douche And he is first off.
00:23:44
He's dressed in leather. And he has a whole bunch of
00:23:48
helpful tips. First off, he says don't skip
00:23:51
the piggy parties. We've heard from people who are
00:23:54
worried about any events out of fear of Contracting monkey pox.
00:23:58
We hope you partake, while also taking steps to reduce risk.
00:24:03
It's not a few years without community events because it
00:24:06
covid-19 think it's time to get back out there safely.
00:24:09
If you feel comfortable, I play dress up.
00:24:12
It's never been a better time to play to dress from top to bottom
00:24:16
in latex or leather. Keeping your skin covered as a
00:24:18
Surefire way to prevent exposure, which is true.
00:24:21
You don't want skin to skin. But that's just the beginning.
00:24:25
We're just getting warmed up. That's the end.
00:24:28
Do she also tells you take a friend to the dungeon?
00:24:33
Going to sex parties with people you know and planning on who
00:24:37
you'll hook up with can be one way to reduce your risk.
00:24:40
If you're able to open and honest conversations about
00:24:43
monkeypox symptoms and possible, exposures talk to the people,
00:24:47
you'll play with ahead of time about monkeypox but also things
00:24:51
like HIV prep and Sexual Health testing, do she also says it's
00:24:58
okay to be picky with your sex partners.
00:25:02
We do this all the time. There are a ton of factors that
00:25:04
go into choosing who you'll have sex with and what to do with
00:25:06
that person or people. Multiple people, pay attention
00:25:11
to how you're making choices about who you hook up with, and
00:25:13
be aware of situations that make you feel uncomfortable or beyond
00:25:15
your limits. This advice can be absent, be
00:25:17
about monkey pox and then he goes on and on.
00:25:22
Oh this one was my was I think the favorite that a lot of
00:25:25
people find out, cover up your own bumps.
00:25:29
Do she says, so if you have bumps, that could be monkey
00:25:33
Boggs cover them up. See a bump on your skin where
00:25:37
you might be monkey pox. If you're not sure you still
00:25:39
want to go out tonight, cover it up with a Band-Aid or clothing
00:25:41
before you go out. If you feel like it likely to be
00:25:45
monkeypox, it makes sense to stay on the wait.
00:25:49
And then try to get back side. That's do, she is guide to Door
00:25:53
alley. Thoughts about Yoshi's advice.
00:26:01
I'm glad you shared the part about the bumps because I the
00:26:04
whole thing is ridiculous, but I found that to be the may be the
00:26:07
most egregious part. I wonder where do she was for
00:26:11
the past two and a half years, I think it's outrageous that it
00:26:15
look. I don't want the state to come
00:26:16
in and shut down people's activities.
00:26:20
I may be some conservatives would disagree with me, I don't
00:26:22
know. I think it's terrible.
00:26:24
That sitting senators and public health officials are not
00:26:27
condemning this. And it's crazy that You had to
00:26:31
spend two and a half years pretending like we might be
00:26:33
sick. That's the whole notion that
00:26:36
masking is predicated on that. I might be sick.
00:26:39
That's why I was yelled at for not wearing one a
00:26:43
symptomatically sick. Was I even took tests sometimes
00:26:46
and I still had to wear a mask - test and then you just can have
00:26:51
bumps and they're saying go out and I understand, I'm realistic,
00:26:53
I understand that. Yeah, people are going to do
00:26:55
their thing, it's not always going to stop people and I don't
00:26:58
want the state to come in and physically.
00:27:00
Stop people necessarily but it's crazy.
00:27:03
That's irresponsible and crazy. And just so hypocritical coming
00:27:08
off. I mean, it would be crazy
00:27:10
without even covid, the context of covid, but coming off two and
00:27:13
a half years and we're not even done with it.
00:27:15
We're still dealing with masks, obviously, we're still dealing
00:27:17
with people losing their jobs over vaccines and it's nuts that
00:27:22
I had to pretend. Like, I was sick, I was shamed
00:27:23
for acknowledging that I was a healthy, human being blessed to
00:27:27
be a healthy, human being the past, two and a half years and
00:27:30
this is Got stay and I'm going to emphasize again like we were
00:27:34
not allowed unless you were part of the political Elite you are
00:27:37
not allowed to. If you had family members loved
00:27:40
ones, die, you were forced to to make your funeral sizes, smaller
00:27:47
again, unless you're the political Elite because then you
00:27:50
get to have as many people as you want and the media and
00:27:52
Hollywood there to write your Force.
00:27:56
If you had a loved one died in the hospital, you are not
00:27:59
allowed to see them. This is factually correct
00:28:02
because I've had personal experiences.
00:28:04
I have had a few years doing that, too.
00:28:07
Yeah, I think we go on and on and on, but it's really asinine
00:28:11
to me to say the least. Yeah.
00:28:13
And it's also, I mean, I have the same experience, grandmother
00:28:17
died in the hospital. There was no funeral and she
00:28:20
died alone, but it's also, I don't know, it's childish the
00:28:26
whole thing, the character, and all that.
00:28:28
And I think that I don't want to jump ahead in the Shinbei.
00:28:31
It kind of speaks to the overall response of like treating the
00:28:34
gay community like children and like, we can't be honest about
00:28:38
who's really at risk for monkeypox right now.
00:28:40
And what can you actually do to protect yourself?
00:28:44
I know that it's cute. Little info Graphics aren't
00:28:47
exclusive to do she or whatever or San Francisco AIDS
00:28:50
Foundation. But it's just, I don't know.
00:28:55
It's very strange to me in the context of Public Health,
00:28:58
emergencies and taking something.
00:29:00
Paisley and treating people like adults, which in a sense to me,
00:29:04
seemed sort of anti-gay that we that we don't treat them like
00:29:06
adults. I don't know, it's weirdly.
00:29:09
So, not anti-gay that it is anti-gay in my opinion.
00:29:16
Yeah. And the hypocrisy is definitely
00:29:20
the thick thick enough you could cut it with a knife.
00:29:22
Hmm. And I was thinking about this
00:29:24
week and I actually got kind of upset about it and because I was
00:29:29
like like you're saying we spent the past two years, having
00:29:35
people shame you were getting sick.
00:29:39
Thanks. Yeah.
00:29:40
Not just not whatever. Do she wants you to do or door a
00:29:44
lie? Yeah, most basic things caused
00:29:48
families to rip apart for family members to stop talking to you.
00:29:53
Now, traveling with something Iman and I did during covid and
00:29:57
people were like, how dare you travel?
00:30:01
You know, how dare you think about traveling, you must love
00:30:04
killing Grandma's because I guess if I was so Cavalier and
00:30:10
didn't really care about other people dying or their health, I
00:30:13
guess I could go travel but You know, they would stand on their
00:30:17
high horse and put themselves on a pedestal about how fantastic
00:30:20
they were traveling. You couldn't go to restaurants.
00:30:24
The idea of oh, I just love to go sit in a restaurant again.
00:30:27
Oh how dangerous and how irresponsible that you want to
00:30:33
go? Sit in a restaurant, I actually
00:30:34
had I was in a lawyer chat room and I brought up about how it
00:30:37
would be nice to go. Sit in a restaurant again and
00:30:40
somebody just let loose on me. And was like, well, that's
00:30:45
because you're an effing racist and pop up.
00:30:48
I and like, I don't know what, being a racist had to do with
00:30:51
wanting to go eat in a restaurant or covid, but that's
00:30:54
usually the go to. It's just people became
00:30:57
unhinged, and people became so good at shaming you for?
00:31:02
Yes, Behavior, just normal behavior.
00:31:06
This is normal stuff. This is what people millions of
00:31:09
people do in this country every single day and you were Shamed
00:31:14
into not doing any more? Yes.
00:31:16
Yeah. Now we have something where we
00:31:19
clearly know what happens. We clearly know, rep from the
00:31:24
CDC. What happens?
00:31:26
And everyone just kind of put their hands up and go.
00:31:31
Yeah, it's fine. Just, you know, follow do, she's
00:31:33
advice and everything will be fine.
00:31:36
And the fact that the state of California waited, until after
00:31:43
this Festival to declare a state of emergency is even more just
00:31:49
egregious because Why? I guess it's not that big of an
00:31:54
emergency that we had to let this Festival happen for fear
00:31:59
that we might insult, somebody or hurt, somebody's feelings,
00:32:03
like, and is that something am I on the right path?
00:32:07
Or people? Do you guys feel the same?
00:32:09
Or I do feel the same and I think everything you're saying.
00:32:14
I do think it sounds almost a little bit anti-gay.
00:32:18
It's like how we've come full circle with racism, like we're
00:32:21
so not racist now. We're back at racism and
00:32:23
segregation not caring, not telling the truth, allowing
00:32:28
these things to go on encouraging them.
00:32:31
Having these weird little juvenile guides.
00:32:33
That sounds to me like a little bit.
00:32:35
Like you don't care about the gay community that you care more
00:32:38
about preserving feelings than you do about preserving lives
00:32:42
and we saw this during covid. We were never told the full
00:32:44
truth about who's really at risk.
00:32:46
It was still the same messaging of oh everybody's at risk and
00:32:50
Ice to this day. I don't think I've ever heard.
00:32:52
Bow-chee' seriously set suggest that we should maybe lose weight
00:32:56
or anything like that. We had two and a half years so
00:32:59
it just is very bizarre emphasis on feelings, over the truth and
00:33:04
I'm sure like we said, it's not a gay disease, I'm sure that
00:33:07
heterosexual people can get it. There's cases of them having it
00:33:10
not currently in the United States.
00:33:12
But that's missing the whole underbelly of the conversation,
00:33:16
which is the fact that there is a huge group, which is severely
00:33:20
more at risk. It's like 98% of the cases.
00:33:22
Now, and that's it significant. If you care about that group,
00:33:27
that's significant to really emphasize.
00:33:30
And I, to me, it sounds a little bit anti-gay this whole thing.
00:33:37
Yeah. Well don't forget, don't leave
00:33:40
out the straight men who have sex with gay men because they're
00:33:44
at risk to which whatever you identify as yeah, identity.
00:33:49
Yeah is key. Definitely a weird play on.
00:33:54
I don't know how else to put that but yeah to your point and
00:33:58
it does frustrate me because I feel like we're at a point where
00:34:05
as a society we're in trouble if we can't be adults enough to
00:34:12
call out something for what it really is and not call it you
00:34:16
know not be prejudiced about it but to call out what the reality
00:34:20
is. And to say, hey guys, there's
00:34:25
this new illness going around. We know it's contracted by
00:34:30
skin-to-skin. Maybe we shouldn't have an event
00:34:35
that emphasizes skin-on-skin contact.
00:34:38
Yeah, like, that would be the responsible mature adult thing
00:34:42
to do, right? It's and I thought about this
00:34:45
analogy and I may be way off in. You can let me know, but it's
00:34:48
like when a little kid says I'm sick and I want to stay home
00:34:52
from school in the parent ghost. Okay.
00:34:55
Well, if you're sick and you want to stay home from school, I
00:34:57
guess you're not well enough to go.
00:34:59
Do your friend's birthday party later?
00:35:01
Yeah, it's one of Other you're sick to go to your friend's
00:35:05
school and it's that bad. Or you want to go to your your
00:35:09
buddies party later. You can't have it both ways.
00:35:12
Either monkey pox and Senator Scott weiner says, this is an
00:35:16
emergency, we have to get back to you as we have to get all
00:35:18
this stuff done. Give us Federal funding.
00:35:20
This is a Calamity or you want to have door Ali, Festival.
00:35:26
Yeah. Like but I present a leader, he
00:35:29
should step up and say like as a leader in the gay community.
00:35:32
Step up and say, hey guys, maybe now, let's not have this event.
00:35:36
Let's be the responsible ones, but he had it and was like,
00:35:40
listen to do she, and I'm gonna be there and do all these great
00:35:44
things and have fun, but sorry, I cut you off, you, and that's a
00:35:48
no. I mean, I was cutting you off
00:35:49
and I apologize. But no, I think well, in a way
00:35:52
that is sort of similar to the response to covid.
00:35:54
Because I said before, and I think we all agree, there's
00:35:58
like, two types of people, the people who genuinely, want to
00:36:00
get back to normal, which would probably be the three of us and
00:36:02
most Your listeners and they're not asking anyone for anything
00:36:06
and then there's other people who want to get back to normal
00:36:09
quote unquote, but then they need you to do all this weird
00:36:12
stuff like wear a mask when you enter the restaurant and then
00:36:14
not wear it when you sit down or whatever and they want to do all
00:36:17
these non-essential activities but also still act like it's a
00:36:21
weird emergency and in a true state of emergency in a real
00:36:25
pandemic, you wouldn't be going to restaurants or to the movie
00:36:29
theaters or anything like that. I'm not calling for stricter,
00:36:31
lockdowns. SLI but it's very bizarre.
00:36:34
I work that like a haunted house last year and when we were in
00:36:37
the middle of our vaccine mandates and also I worked at a
00:36:40
restaurant which is what I did before, I was no longer allowed
00:36:43
to and it was still when we were in the middle of covid in LA
00:36:46
county and it was very bizarre to me the number of people who
00:36:49
came in and clearly they wanted some semblance of normal.
00:36:52
And I understand that but then they also had all these strange
00:36:55
rules and it's like you wouldn't be here if you were really
00:36:58
worried. And I think there's a little bit
00:37:00
of that in this door. Ali thing.
00:37:02
Like yeah it's an emergency and we really need access to
00:37:05
vaccines. We really need access to Better
00:37:06
Health Care and all of this stuff but we want to have our
00:37:09
cake and eat it too. It's not that surprising to me
00:37:12
after the last two and half years even though in so many
00:37:15
ways. This is a very hypocritical
00:37:16
situation. That's what we saw over the last
00:37:19
two and a half years once things kind of opened up more.
00:37:21
It's like oh well we can open up but we need you to have the
00:37:23
vaccine card and we need you out of a mask and all that and it's
00:37:25
just it's nonsense. It's not an emergency at that
00:37:28
point and of all people, like, Senator Scott wiener.
00:37:32
Is one of the I mean, he was behind a lot of the vaccine
00:37:37
worked wizard, the vaccine working group, was that what
00:37:39
they were called? The Gang of like far-left,
00:37:43
Democrats, who are pushing like private employers.
00:37:45
Have the you have to vaccinate all of your employees as a
00:37:49
private employer kids under all kids at school, have to be
00:37:53
vaccinated and like, all that stuff.
00:37:55
Like and it's interesting, he wants to choose everything for
00:38:00
you. But then when you turn, Around
00:38:03
say to stop Senator Scott wiener and we're just using so Scott
00:38:06
winner because he's the face of it.
00:38:07
Now he's become the spokesperson, I mean, he's
00:38:10
literally the head of the oversight committee on it.
00:38:12
You can't turn around and be like maybe you should have had
00:38:17
that big Festival. That was a really irresponsible
00:38:20
and his tweet is stop sectioning us.
00:38:22
That's like we're not suctioning you, we're just telling you you
00:38:26
did, what you weren't supposed to do in light of this.
00:38:29
After two years of you telling us, Us everything we should not
00:38:34
do from your point of view. Yeah, I agree.
00:38:40
Yeah. I mean, I think go ahead.
00:38:43
No, you go, you go. No, go ahead.
00:38:46
All know, I was gonna go down the rabbit hole, okay, with
00:38:49
about 3/4 of, but before we do that, I do want to be factually
00:38:52
correct on this program. So, Scott wiener is the head of
00:38:57
this committee, but I do want to note.
00:39:00
It's bipartisan. We have Senator rossella, Ochoa
00:39:04
bog, and then we also have such as the only Republican, we have
00:39:09
Senator Lena Gonzalez. Senator John.
00:39:14
The yard Susan Eggman and then we have our other favorite of
00:39:20
the program. We have dr.
00:39:22
Richard Pan part of this committee.
00:39:24
Yeah. And I guess my question you now
00:39:28
he is speaking of you know asking for cooperation and you
00:39:34
know it's factually correct. We have, you know, private
00:39:37
institutions, mandating the V. Do you think it's next to Be
00:39:42
able to ask for the smallpox vaccine to be mandated.
00:39:48
I mean, I wouldn't put it past them.
00:39:50
I know. Unfortunately, maybe,
00:39:52
fortunately, I don't know, there's a big shortage right now
00:39:56
of the smallpox vaccine or whatever it is.
00:39:59
The monkey pox vaccine. I think they're the same thing
00:40:03
which is a lot of the pushback that's happening right now
00:40:05
against public health messaging on this.
00:40:08
Is that we kind of bungled I probably believe that and we
00:40:12
probably messed up with a bunch of bureaucratic red tape, the
00:40:15
testing and the vaccine on this. And if people want that, if it
00:40:19
helps whatever, I'm not completely anti-v the way.
00:40:22
People say that I am, I I'm anti covid shot for myself, but yeah,
00:40:29
I wouldn't put it past them to mandate this.
00:40:31
I mean, we saw it with covid that there were people who were
00:40:35
not at risk for this. There were people who were not
00:40:37
at risk for serious illness and disease.
00:40:39
It was far more contagious. Obviously far, more deadly to my
00:40:42
knowledge, no one has died of monkeypox in the United States
00:40:45
but Crazier things have happened.
00:40:49
And I don't know if they're going to mandate that to next to
00:40:55
protect the gay community because we want to preserve, you
00:40:57
know, feelings and preserved or Ally Do you think, do you
00:41:03
predict our could you foresee like a more aggressive approach
00:41:08
for in the name of Public Health?
00:41:09
Like for example during covid? You know this happened in San
00:41:14
Diego, they had curfews things of that nature.
00:41:16
Like I guess I'm curious. What your opinion is on as far
00:41:20
as the response. Do you think that's too early to
00:41:22
predict? Or what are your, what, where is
00:41:24
your head in that regard? I don't know.
00:41:27
I would, I would say it's probably too early.
00:41:30
Ida. I'm open to so many things have
00:41:33
happened in the last two and a half years.
00:41:35
I'm sure we can all agree that I never would have thought would
00:41:36
have happened. And I worry about that.
00:41:39
I think Dan mentioned it on the podcast, you guys did last week
00:41:42
that I think he mentioned it in relation to climate block downs.
00:41:45
But yeah, that I don't want to make a prediction of do that.
00:41:48
Could never happen because four years ago I would have said oh,
00:41:52
that could never happen and then so many things happen, I would
00:41:54
have never even dreamed of it. So I don't know.
00:41:57
I think it could go both ways, I think if this becomes a very
00:41:59
harsh restrictions Friction. Then it could end up in stigma
00:42:03
against the gay community, which they're trying to avoid.
00:42:05
Because I think we all kind of know that it's largely, 98
00:42:09
percent of cases in the gay community and if you start
00:42:12
imposing upon people's lives, I don't know if that's going to
00:42:16
play out the way that they hope, but in LA in California, Maybe
00:42:24
Yeah. And it will be interesting to
00:42:26
see if they pivot into any sort of restrictions on the
00:42:30
population as a whole because if it and I think you're right, if
00:42:37
it does turn into restrictions of people on the hole.
00:42:41
It's going to be a backlash against the gay community, which
00:42:45
is unfortunate because it's not everybody in the gay community.
00:42:49
It's not everybody who identifies that way.
00:42:53
It's this group that decided we're going to have this
00:42:57
festival and groups like this having festivals in Seattle and
00:43:01
New York. New York was a big one and it
00:43:05
will create a stigma. And like you were saying before,
00:43:08
it's funny, will actually come back around.
00:43:11
The two more anti-gay sentiment than there ever was before
00:43:17
because of what just happened and them allowing this to
00:43:22
happen. This Festival to happen and
00:43:25
people will obviously start pointing fingers of.
00:43:28
Well, I didn't go to this festival and I'm not doing
00:43:30
anything and then if the state of California turns around says,
00:43:33
well everybody has to get a monkey pox vaccine now and we're
00:43:36
rushing a monkey pox vaccine to the market.
00:43:39
I think a lot of people would be like, wait a second.
00:43:41
Oh, hold on, hold up. I don't think I need a monkey
00:43:45
pox vaccine. I'm not worried about it.
00:43:48
This isn't my fault blah, blah, blah.
00:43:50
So I think it is in danger of creating anti-gay stigma in
00:43:54
California, and across the country, is it turns that way?
00:43:59
Yes, or stigma against everyone, who declines, politely refuses,
00:44:03
the monkey pox vaccine. I don't know.
00:44:05
Depends on how effective they are in their messaging, but to
00:44:08
be clear, I know I've already said this, I personally would
00:44:11
not have 17 wanted them to shut down that event.
00:44:14
I just think we need better. More honest messaging, I want
00:44:17
better messaging from public health officials, and elected
00:44:20
officials of under people are going to do what they're going
00:44:23
to do. And I support that but we
00:44:25
shouldn't be probably get up. That kind of, I don't want to
00:44:30
shame or stigmatize anybody because I went through the last
00:44:33
two and a half years, that's not my goal, but we shouldn't be
00:44:36
encouraging these things. And we should be empowering
00:44:38
people to understand what they can do to protect themselves.
00:44:40
Especially right now, we're when there's not testing, and there's
00:44:43
not a vaccine, you kind of are on your own to, maybe change
00:44:47
your behavior and, you know, empower the gay community,
00:44:51
although I disagree with that lifestyle as opposed to propping
00:44:55
up their own demise, you know. So, I kind of want to ask your
00:45:02
take and if it's too much you can you know, kind of emphasize
00:45:05
your hands on it. But wouldn't I'm playing Devil's
00:45:07
Advocate but wouldn't one say that we are?
00:45:13
We're going down the slippery slope in the sense of like we
00:45:15
don't want to impose but then the same time if we're
00:45:17
encouraging people to not do it, aren't we kind of being
00:45:20
Hypocrites here. No, I mean I think if you're
00:45:24
encouraging people to not do it, that's different than we're
00:45:27
going to shut it down which after the past two and a half
00:45:30
years of we're going to shut this down and that down and and
00:45:33
you know, arrest people at the beach.
00:45:36
I just I kind of shy away from that if people want to do these
00:45:42
things, especially in their own bedroom, I don't know if it
00:45:44
needs to be a public event, I have a problem with that but if
00:45:47
consenting adults want to do these things, I think they just
00:45:50
need honest messaging about You guys are more at risk for this.
00:45:54
There is not an accessible vaccine right now.
00:45:56
There's no appointments. It's very painful.
00:46:00
I guess from what I've read, I don't know.
00:46:03
I just I certainly don't want sitting senators and public
00:46:05
health officials. I don't want this messaging of
00:46:07
oh, everybody's at risk. I think that's the mistake we
00:46:10
made in the 1980s and it's not the kind we made it again in
00:46:14
covid. It's not the case and I think we
00:46:16
could have saved a lot of lives with covid, being honest about
00:46:18
whose interest but still letting people go about doing things if
00:46:22
One who's obese and overweight wants to go out without a mask
00:46:25
in the height of covid. Like that's their thing.
00:46:28
But just be honest, is my opinion, but maybe I'm not a
00:46:31
public health official, I don't know.
00:46:32
I can't stop a pandemic but I believe in Freedom, so it's hard
00:46:36
for me to balance that life, you know.
00:46:40
Or even if it's sort of like what a lot of people were
00:46:45
saying, at the beginning of the pandemic of Coleman sad that we
00:46:51
have to now specify which pandemic we're talking about.
00:46:56
I thought it was once every hundred years of pandemic.
00:46:59
Why we have? Yeah, we're just, we're
00:47:00
cramming, all sorts of pandemic. Yeah.
00:47:02
You know, it's just the pandemic of the year which will probably
00:47:04
be able to climate change. Whatever in the beginning, a lot
00:47:09
of people We're saying look this is a respiratory illness.
00:47:13
We probably should just quarantine not quarantine or
00:47:18
like at least put those were old and at risk and tell them like
00:47:22
hey you're at high risk here. We're going to focus on you.
00:47:27
The rest of us are going to go about our lives and do what we
00:47:30
need to do. And it's sort of the same way
00:47:35
that approach could have work here.
00:47:38
Okay. Box as opposed to it getting out
00:47:40
of hand where they could start a lot faster where they could have
00:47:45
said, hey you're at a higher risk therefore we're going to
00:47:50
let you know the education we're going to give you the resources
00:47:53
to keep this under control as opposed to kind of looping
00:47:58
everybody into this and putting everybody on edge for.
00:48:03
Something that 99% of us are never going to see or never
00:48:07
going to experience burn into learning to play again.
00:48:12
We're all covered in sores or something but it is interesting
00:48:17
that we could have and they just fail to do that again where
00:48:21
they're just like, you know, they're sounding the alarm bells
00:48:25
are making it seem like it's this big thing that everybody's
00:48:27
going to get it and it's everyone's in danger of getting
00:48:30
it as opposed to just being Honest, and being the adults in
00:48:34
the room and saying, look at this is what happened.
00:48:36
This is what don't engage in these activities.
00:48:39
Don't do these things. So, yeah, it seems like we don't
00:48:45
learn very much from the way we've messed up in the past,
00:48:49
even just very recently, but I do think part of it, and this is
00:48:54
a whole other side thing, but I think we are weirdly okay.
00:48:58
With telling people to stay home, saying, you're racist.
00:49:01
If you like need to go. Out again to work.
00:49:04
I got that too but we don't want to touch sex.
00:49:08
It's like sex is very sacred. I think we have this belief that
00:49:13
like sex is one of the greatest rights we have like sex without
00:49:17
consequences, this sort of mirrors.
00:49:19
Like the abortion thing that's going on in my opinion of just a
00:49:23
people cannot fathom that they cannot have access to sex
00:49:27
without consequences and I think wieners tweet kind of says it of
00:49:31
like it's okay. To do everything else to tell
00:49:34
people to not, go to work any of that, but you can't tell them
00:49:37
that. Maybe they shouldn't be having
00:49:38
sex or maybe if they have sex they're going to have
00:49:40
consequences. That's not me advocating for
00:49:43
people, not receiving the treatment that they need or
00:49:45
anything like that but we have a weird obsession with sexual
00:49:49
Liberation and sexual Freedom into.
00:49:54
I don't mean that in a prudish way it just seems like we put
00:49:57
that above Almost everything else.
00:50:02
Yeah, it's I mean not to get off topic but it's funny how that
00:50:06
was the argument. Coming out of a lot of people
00:50:09
after the Roe v--, Wade was overturned.
00:50:12
A lot of people who were upset about that we're like, well, now
00:50:17
I have to be careful like, who I have sex with.
00:50:20
And, you know, I have to think about these things before I have
00:50:23
sex, and it's like, Yes, yes. Yeah.
00:50:28
That's the point like, you know, maybe you should think about who
00:50:34
you could. You know if you engage in that
00:50:36
activity you might potentially have a child with that person.
00:50:40
That is the consequence of it. I'm glad you're awake.
00:50:43
Phil I'm awake. Yeah.
00:50:45
That was the big joke laughs. I know I heard yeah.
00:50:48
We kept saying danzel. Yeah.
00:50:51
Woke up. Just like Natalie.
00:50:52
Natalie woke up to. She had a great time.
00:50:55
Yeah. They are time everyone waking up
00:50:58
how many place every was checking out of the Matrix.
00:51:03
All right. So I don't know if you have any
00:51:05
more thoughts about monkeypox where we're gonna go?
00:51:11
Do you think it's gonna get that bad that there's going to be a
00:51:14
lot of legislation you think we're headed towards?
00:51:19
I don't know whatever color I would say.
00:51:23
I don't know what's coming. I don't think anything's
00:51:25
happening but it's California. I don't things could happen
00:51:29
overnight. Hell of a sudden.
00:51:30
We could be looking at a lot of weird restrictions overnight,
00:51:33
it's true. Yeah, one observation I will say
00:51:36
is, as far as like, the state as sub State Legislature side in
00:51:40
California, the session ends at the end of the month.
00:51:44
So if they, you know, the blessing is you If they do
00:51:49
anything, we just have this month to get through, and if
00:51:52
they don't do anything, well then we're in the state were in
00:51:55
the safe zone. So just wanted to plug that in
00:51:59
the legislature session ends this month so we can hope for
00:52:05
the best. Yes, that's all we can do.
00:52:09
Well, we can probably do what you did.
00:52:12
You double-check to see if there's any more BDSM festivals
00:52:15
going on this month. I did not well, well then we
00:52:23
don't know. I mean, anything could happen
00:52:25
between now and then, well, you know, it's right now, there's
00:52:33
7 cases. I don't know why I emphasize
00:52:37
that like, that's a lot of people out of 300 million
00:52:39
people, but hopefully it doesn't spread to like children and
00:52:43
stuff like that. Children, who did get it.
00:52:46
I Don't want to even think about those poor children, got
00:52:51
monkeypox. But yeah it's it's hopefully
00:52:56
it's another flash name and Times of a pandemic and I guess
00:53:02
a good way to end the podcast today is do you think the world
00:53:09
has finally come to like pandemic fatigue and that these
00:53:14
pandemics are just going to wash over people's heads and they're
00:53:17
like, I don't really care anymore.
00:53:21
I do. And I don't know if that's a
00:53:24
good thing because there may come a day.
00:53:27
Hopefully more than a hundred years from now where it's a real
00:53:31
threat. And I don't know, if these
00:53:33
people realize how much damage they're doing to Public Health
00:53:37
II believe, I think we would all agree.
00:53:39
That's so much of this was malicious and it was for
00:53:42
control. And in that way, they knew what
00:53:44
they were doing, but I would assume they would want us to
00:53:47
listen to them and want us to trust them.
00:53:49
And so much of what they're doing is antithetical to that
00:53:52
and I think they really do cannot fathom.
00:53:55
Like, why is it that people won't trust us.
00:53:57
Why is it all these Trump supporters whatever because it
00:54:01
would behoove them to have people, listen and just comply?
00:54:04
And you know, I'll never look at the V word, the same way again
00:54:08
and I was not anti that before this, I was just a regular
00:54:12
person. I always kind of did my own
00:54:14
research. I never got like a flu shot, but
00:54:16
it wasn't like a Cornerstone of my personality.
00:54:19
And this whole thing has is something that I've like,
00:54:22
dedicated all of my free time to and it made me switch parties
00:54:26
and you know ReDiscover Christ and we've been through all that
00:54:29
but like I'm never going to hear the word and think the same
00:54:32
thing ever again. And that's not to say, I'll
00:54:34
never take one. I'll never take the covid-19 so
00:54:37
much damage with this public health messaging of it's an
00:54:40
emergency but then go out to a restaurant but wear a mask and
00:54:43
then go out and have, you know, relations and whatever.
00:54:47
But cover up Things with Band-Aids.
00:54:50
I mean, it's just it's so confusing and I believe that
00:54:54
people are smarter than all of these bureaucrats and so many
00:54:58
elected officials. Give us credit for.
00:55:00
And there could come a day where it's a serious thing.
00:55:03
And even someone like me, I might not take it seriously
00:55:06
because I just do not know who to trust and I don't trust
00:55:09
anything that they're saying at this point.
00:55:11
So I don't know. I think.
00:55:18
And this may be getting off a little getting off topic but I
00:55:23
think for all the people who pretend they're not religious in
00:55:28
this country there are certainly a lot of people who worship at
00:55:34
the altar of the state. Yes.
00:55:37
They say they're not religious. We try to be like yeah bruh.
00:55:42
I'm an atheist. I don't believe in God, but they
00:55:45
believe that the government is all powerful and all knowing and
00:55:51
all righteous only when their parties in power that only when
00:55:55
their people are in power, you know, Trump's Empower, it
00:55:57
doesn't count, but they've gotten to the point where they
00:56:01
worship the state, and I think they've been conditioned a long
00:56:04
time. To worship this state.
00:56:09
And this is, this is like the Rapture for that, this is like
00:56:14
this is it, the, the state is calling them home.
00:56:16
Like we need our loyal disciples to listen to us, to mask up to
00:56:23
give up your business, give up your home's, give up everything
00:56:26
because we told you to do so. And it's interesting how devout
00:56:33
they are that when we think jump, they say how high and Work
00:56:40
become that zealous about their worship.
00:56:43
They've just replaced one religion with another and that's
00:56:47
where we're at now. Is you have a lot of people who
00:56:49
just blindly accept, whatever the government tells them to do
00:56:54
and they don't question anything.
00:56:56
Yeah, because human beings need God.
00:57:00
Yeah, a guy I think you feel that with something and I think
00:57:05
we're called to Virtue. I we just spoke about this on
00:57:07
the religious thing. I really do believe Were called
00:57:09
to Virtue. And if you don't know what
00:57:11
virtue is and you're not taught virtue easy way to literally
00:57:16
signal virtue, but to be virtuous is to put on a mask,
00:57:18
you know, we want to feel that and we are called to that.
00:57:22
And if you're completely lost and you've been raised poorly
00:57:24
and we're in this terrible culture, well, how do you attain
00:57:28
virtue? Nobody knows.
00:57:29
So put on a mask and care about your neighbor and don't kill
00:57:31
grandma and all that, you know? And then you're also a part of a
00:57:36
group to. Yes, that's true.
00:57:39
Very important for human. Yeah.
00:57:40
Yeah. You'll find your people, you'll
00:57:43
find the other, the pro maskers tonight.
00:57:48
I was watching the Mets play and it was the end of the game
00:57:53
50. People were on their feet, they
00:57:56
scan the crowd. And there was one guy with an
00:57:59
n95 mask on. Out of 50 people.
00:58:04
And it's one of those things where you just go well, you're
00:58:06
really holding on to that. Oh yeah, you're dying on this.
00:58:09
Tell you got to give him credit though.
00:58:12
Yeah, I mean he probably got on a subway with that on.
00:58:15
He probably left his apartment in walk through Manhattan with
00:58:18
that thing on and now he's in the middle of a Mets game with
00:58:21
50 people, screaming and yelling all around him, but he's
00:58:26
got that mascot and that's I know how he feels just the
00:58:31
reverse. I have minion time than the only
00:58:33
one without the mask on. So yeah.
00:58:38
Hey, I'm not averse to having a hill to die on.
00:58:40
It's just not the hell I would die on.
00:58:42
Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily and there's a lot of
00:58:45
status worshipping at the altar and yeah.
00:58:50
And that's where I think, I think maybe that's the moral of
00:58:52
this story with the pandemic is they're seeing and how many
00:58:56
disciples they have to put it lightly.
00:58:59
You know, whether it's if you want to believe in the world
00:59:02
economic forum and all that stuff, and they're building a
00:59:05
new world, go, new world order, whatever.
00:59:08
I think governments just like to see how many disciples they
00:59:11
have, how many people are going to Blindly follow us and do
00:59:16
whatever we want, and they're going to abuse it.
00:59:18
And I think the past two years have shown, it's pretty split
00:59:23
down the middle. I think it's 50/50 of people who
00:59:25
will stand up and say, no. And I think there's a good
00:59:28
amount of people who are like, whatever the government tells me
00:59:31
government harder, daddy, that whole thing.
00:59:33
But maybe this is, I know we're running long, but maybe this is
00:59:36
waking more Folks up because any time I saw pushback in these
00:59:41
articles about monkeypox, it is They really bungled the
00:59:46
response. We need more vaccines, we need
00:59:48
better, we can't get the treatment that antibiotic you're
00:59:52
supposed to take and so if you can't rely on your God,
00:59:56
government and they are going to bungle the response then, maybe
01:00:00
you need to rely on something else.
01:00:01
Maybe you need to take steps to protect yourself and figure out
01:00:04
what you can do. Maybe you need to strengthen
01:00:07
your own response because the government, obviously, people
01:00:09
are going to let you down and I'm sure it's very terrifying to
01:00:14
be in that community. The you right now and to feel
01:00:16
that way. So what can you do to help
01:00:19
yourself? And I hope more people are
01:00:21
seeing that because I don't want anyone to get monkeypox.
01:00:23
Obviously. And I praying for anyone who
01:00:26
does it sounds very, very painful but if they're not there
01:00:29
with the vaccines and you shouldn't rely on that.
01:00:31
Anyways, if they're not there with all this stuff that you
01:00:33
feel that you need, what do you do then?
01:00:36
You know you're going to do something and humans are Source
01:00:39
whole so figure it out. Don't rely on the government.
01:00:43
Yeah absolutely. Italy.
01:00:46
And yeah, obviously none of us are hoping anyone gets monkeypox
01:00:49
ghetto. Okay.
01:00:50
Pops disappears tomorrow, we're not wishing monkey pox on
01:00:53
anybody. And we're not saying, well, we
01:00:55
hope this group of people get monkeypox has as punishment or
01:00:59
anything. But yeah, so with that said, we
01:01:04
have run over a little bit over an hour.
01:01:06
I apologize to everyone, for the technical difficulties.
01:01:08
It's this new platform. I don't know what the heck is
01:01:11
going on. I'm gonna wake up tomorrow and
01:01:13
write a very Being scared at letter to the support team and
01:01:18
say what the heck is going on with this platform made of
01:01:21
caliber? Yeah, I because I had videos
01:01:24
cued up. I had articles queued up at a
01:01:27
video from CNN, queued up. Those are always fun to watch,
01:01:30
but alas it just means we'll have to have you back on soon,
01:01:34
Natalie. Yeah, I would love that.
01:01:37
Excellent. So any final thoughts Cynthia,
01:01:41
Natalie before we sign off of the night?
01:01:44
No just thank you for coming back.
01:01:46
On that lie, your favorite guest of ours and I knew we knew it
01:01:51
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01:01:56
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01:01:57
And yeah thank you for having me.
01:02:00
It's always a pleasure and I really enjoyed it.
01:02:04
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01:02:24
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