In this episode of the California Underground Podcast, the hosts discuss significant recent developments in California politics, including the formation of the West Coast Health Alliance, a Supreme Court ruling on immigration enforcement, and the entry of a new Green Party candidate, Butch Ware, into the gubernatorial race. The conversation explores the implications of these events on public health, immigration policy, and the political landscape in California.
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Supreme Court allows for immigration, ICE stops to
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continue in Los Angeles, CA joins Hawaii, Oregon, and
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Washington in some sort of West Coast health alliance, and a
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snub to RFK Junior and a Green Party socialist enters the
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gubernatorial race for California next year.
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All that more coming up on this episode of the California
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Underground Podcast, starting right now.
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What's going on, everybody? Thanks for tuning in to another
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episode of the California On and Ground podcast, the most trusted
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podcast for all things California politics.
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I'm your host, Phil. We got a lot to get to tonight,
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including a recent SCOTUS ruling that just came hot off the
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presses yesterday. A health alliance based on
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science, according to California.
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But we'll take a look at their track record with believing in
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the science and also a Green Party socialist who has some
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unique ideas. But we're we're going to get
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into that a little bit later. So before we get started, make
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that my trusty Co host, the best, the fastest researcher in
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the West, Camille. How are you doing, Camille?
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Hi, I'm good. Thank you.
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How are you? Good.
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Well, we got a lot to get to tonight.
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So I guess we should get started on the first story, which is
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this West Coast Health Alliance. We have a video about it that
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California, Oregon, Hawaii and Washington have joined because
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as they said in their words, they believe in the science and
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that that's what they want to really believe in is the science
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of health and all that. They don't like what RFK and the
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CDC is saying, so we'll hop right into that video and then
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we can discuss afterwards. A.
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Clash between health and politics sparking headlines
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tonight on both coasts. This morning, California, Oregon
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and Washington announced plans to issue their own vaccination
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guidelines, saying they fear federal health directives are
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both too LAX and too political under the Trump administration.
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Coincidentally, it comes on the same day Florida announced it
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will work to drop all vaccine mandates for its residents.
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NBC Bay Area's Robert Honda joining us live from the news
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room with a closer look at what this all means.
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Robert. Well, what Florida is doing and
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what California, Oregon and Washington are doing are
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believed to be separate actions, but both are likely to create
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new challenges and confusion for health departments, vaccine
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providers, and most important, people calling themselves the
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West Coast Health Alliance. California, Oregon and
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Washington announced today they're preparing to issue their
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own vaccine recommendations in the face of President Trump's
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mass firing of CDC doctors and scientists.
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Less than an hour later, Florida's health officials
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announced plans to end all vaccination mandates in their
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state. The governors of all three
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Western states issued a joint statement on their decision,
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saying we will not allow the people of our states to be put
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at risk, stating the ADC has become a political tool that
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peddles ideology instead of science.
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A health office. It's kind of ironic that they
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are now saying the CDC peddles ideology and not science.
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It's it's almost like we forgot what happened five years ago, I
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guess. But we're going to talk about
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that in a little bit. I guess they don't like this
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science, which somehow is political, but.
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For Contra Costa County told NBC Bay Area, she believes the new
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alliance can help alleviate public fear and confusion.
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I think the Alliance is, is going to help us here at the
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local level to help guide our community members with what they
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can do. I, you know, certainly contrast
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to Health continues to support vaccines.
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We continue to recommend vaccination.
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Vaccines are safe, they're effective, and our goal is
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really to make sure that our community members have what they
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need to stay safe. Peter Chin Hong, a Dean and
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infectious disease specialist at UCSF, also applauded the West
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Coast coalition, saying he believes it will boost public
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health and health workers morale.
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Decisions are being made by people who have not been vetted
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appropriately and don't have the same expertise.
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So that it kind of gives us balance to that.
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And again, you know, it is as a healthcare worker myself
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somewhat, you know, resets my my compass gives me some fuel to to
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move forward rather than feeling so and utterly demoralized the
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last. Few weeks, he said.
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Utterly. He was utterly demoralized by
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the CDC and RFK, so he's happy. I am not saying that he is not
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an expert or anything like that, I just don't know what the heck
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just came out of his mouth. I.
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He, he sounds like he's, he's in touch with his feelings about
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how he was utterly demoralized because of, you know, you have
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Robert RFK Junior as the helm of the HHS secretary.
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So they don't like the CDC basically these these West Coast
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states don't like it. So got a couple seconds later.
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Let's just we'll finish it up. Health officials nationwide are
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also already raising red flags about both the Florida and
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California decision, saying the contradictory messages could
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fuel confusion and create issues over insurance coverage for
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those looking to get vaccinated. At this point, all they can say
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is. All right, if it sounds like
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you're living in in Twilight Zone, kind of does feel like
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that. First off, welcome to everybody
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in the chat. So there was somebody who asked
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a question. There was a ban on enforcing
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immigration. No, actually quite the opposite.
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We're going to get to that story next.
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That actually allows for enforcing immigration.
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And what's up? Vallejo, CA.
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It's funny how they were now because they don't believe in
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the CDC. It's not the gospel truth, the
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CDC anymore. But five years ago, everything
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that came out of the CDC was as if it was the gospel truth in a
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golden rule that you had to listen to because it was based
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on science. But now, because RFK Junior is
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in there and obviously you have President Trump at the helm, the
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CDC is not to be trusted. You can't listen to the CDC
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anymore. It, it's, it's not based in
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science. That's their whole thing now.
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They don't believe that the CDC and their recommendations are
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based in science or true medical science.
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I don't know what are your, what are your thoughts after seeing
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that video that they, they don't believe in the CDC anymore.
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These West Coast states. I just want to take a quick
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moment to remind everybody that the first COVID vaccinations
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came out under Trump. People were willing to take
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those. That was kind of my line.
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I was like, oh really? You're going to trust the Trump
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vaccine? I think a lot of people were
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saying that too. But so OK.
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I I think it's so very important that we clarify that there is a
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huge huge difference between anti vax and vaccine mandate.
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Especially like so I'm a parent in case y'all haven't picked up
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on that. I've mentioned it every week.
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I'm a parent. That's, that's definitely one
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decision that you really do have to think about when you have
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children because they do give them certain vaccines at birth
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too. And of course they, you know,
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when you're a pregnant woman, they offer you the flu vaccines
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first. Like you're, they're, you know,
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pregnancy apparently is something that affects you
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negatively. And therefore you're like part
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of the crowd that needs the back, you know, any vaccines,
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flu vaccines, whatever first. So I personally, when I first
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started having kids nearly 20 years ago was not anti vaccine.
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I was just like, I want to take time to research each vaccine
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and space them out. That was like my belief.
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And that is not the same as being anti vax.
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And regardless of what my beliefs are today, my beliefs
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are that you're the parent, you, you know, you and your partner,
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husband, spouse, whatever. And your doctor need to make
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those decisions for your kids. You and your doctor need to make
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that decision for yourself. That is a huge difference
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between like, so the Florida decision is not saying vaccines
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are no longer available. We're throwing them out.
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They're in the ocean. Good luck swimming with the
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sharks to get. One like that's something you
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did Alligator Alcatraz. Yeah.
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Yeah, no, they were like, we're just not going to require them
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because this should be a decision, you know, like for the
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this for adults and children. But they're like, we're not
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going to require them for school because this should be a
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decision between you and your doctor of what's best for your
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child. And I definitely agree with
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that. Now this West Coast Health
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Alliance, I don't see anything bad about this unless they're
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somehow going to here's here, like here's what I question is
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what science are they following if not the CDC?
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Because the CDC has been our God of science for so many years.
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And So what science exactly are they following?
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And if they're going to have new science and form their own West
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Coast CDC version, then are they going to tax us for that?
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And that's where that's my question.
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And like, where is this going? Because otherwise, like them
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having an alliance and they all line up and they're like, yeah,
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this is the schedule that we believe in and we recommend.
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That's not, that's not terrible, that's not awful, that's not
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evil. But if this is the you can't do
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anything without these vaccines and require passports and we're
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having our own department and you're all paying for it, then
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obviously I'm highly opposed to that.
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But something that is interesting is that at Hawaii,
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the state of Hawaii, for K through 12 students, they have
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their list of, you know, required vaccines to go to
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school and they have like a three month period where they
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are. They're like they the first
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three months of school, I guess like if they are not up to date
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on the vaccines, it's OK. But after three months that's
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when they will be like no student can no longer attend.
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I believe Oregon, California, and Washington are all like no
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on like first day of school you have to be compliant with the
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vaccines. But why is this like 3 month
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period and why the kids can still carry things?
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And then I'm sorry I'm going really long winded here but I'm
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just kind of bringing up random points.
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Documented immigrants are not required to follow vaccine
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schedules in California. They don't have to get vaccines.
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They were not mandated to get the vaccines when they were
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trying to mandate them in California in 20/20/20 or 2021
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back then. And then I think I had another
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point and I just lost my train of thought.
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Oh, what I talked to you earlier, People who live on the
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tribal land, you know, they're considered sovereign nations.
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And they also do not have to follow any of the California
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health schedules. Vaccine schedules is up to them
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to make their own health guidelines.
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So I like, where's the science? The science doesn't change over
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a fence. The the science doesn't change
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over a border. Like I mean, we're always
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learning new science and science is improving, but it literally
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doesn't like my next door neighbor and I are the science
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is the same for us. So this is where I just go.
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What are we even doing? Yeah, it's ironic that their
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whole thing is we don't want to be make it political, but we're
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absolutely making it political because we don't like RFK Junior
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and we don't like Trump and we think what they're doing and
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because Florida did this, because Florida got rid of
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vaccine mandates, now we are going to create a West Coast
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alliance and put out our own vaccine mandates.
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But does it have the effect of, well, the CDC and that, you
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know, we're getting into a whole weird area of like Orwellian
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kind of group think where the CDC recommendations were not
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law. And that was always the biggest
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thing that people were saying is that the CDC kept coming out
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with these recommendations. Oh, this is a recommendation we
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recommend you get back. We recommend vaccine mandates
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that people can't go anywhere without them.
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They weren't law. They didn't have the effect of
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law. So states had to kind of
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implement it. So without that sort of legal
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authority, I guess I'm not sure really what this is supposed to
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do besides a bunch of West Coast doctors and public health
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bureaucrats who come out with this, their idea of what science
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is. Because I thought, and this is
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more ironic that they said, well, they always said the
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science is settled. This is the science.
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You have to believe in the science, but the science changes
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like science changes. Science always has to be prodded
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and always kind of examined and looked back on and said did we
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get the science right? Doesn't need to be corrected.
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So they they are both thinking, they both five years ago said
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the science is infallible and we have to listen to everything
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that the CDC says because the science is settled.
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Everything you know, the CDC, we have to get vaccine mandates, we
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have to do social distancing, we have to mask up.
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This is the science and people will love to kind of crow about
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how well I believe in science and I believe in science.
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And we're going to get to in a minute.
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There's a little rundown. I, I came up with about the
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science that they talked about five years ago.
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And now they're saying because the science evolved and you have
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RFK junior in there who has a different view of the science.
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They go, oh, well, now we can't listen to that science.
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That's different science. So it is absolutely 100%
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political and it is like that last guy who was so emotional,
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you know, he was demoralized. I think that's more of a Doctor
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Who's talking it like through his feelings, not necessarily
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through a scientific or professional lens.
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It seems like he's more upset about the politics of what's
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going on in DC. I, I agree with you on the idea
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of like vaccine mandates is where because I believe you
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should be free to do whatever you want.
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If you want to take a vaccine, go ahead and take a vaccine.
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You want to be anti vax, go ahead and be anti vax.
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It's free country. You shouldn't be forced to do
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anything you do or do not want to do.
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And actually I found this old Cal matters article.
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Let me just pull it up real quick.
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So this was from 2022. Now, if you remember 2022, we
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were still in some sort of COVID lockdown because California and
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Gavin Newsom just didn't want to give up on the lockdowns.
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And if you remember, we had covered this back then, there
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was a slate of bills called like the vaccine bills where it was
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they, they had like 5 bills that they wanted to introduce.
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Who was it? I'm trying to remember his name,
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Doctor Richard Pan, That's who it was.
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He was on his way out. So he was like, I'm just going
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to introduce a crap ton of vaccine mandate bills.
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Cal Matters came out with this op-ed that said mandates for
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vaccine that does not block transmission are discriminatory.
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They force unvaccinated individuals to comply in order
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to attend school or keep their job.
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This is discrimination by coercion.
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Vaccinated individuals are likely to spread vital particles
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as unvaccinated people, yet their activities are not
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restricted. The reasoning behind these
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mandates is not supported by current based data, science
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based data. So even then in 2022, it changed
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so rapidly that they were making laws and mandates in California
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or trying to Doctor Richard Pan was trying to create like this
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vaccine group of bills. And between 2021 and 2022, the
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science had already changed and vaccine mandates made no sense
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anymore because people could transmit it.
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So it is kind of interesting that they, they won, believed
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that the science was infallible in 2020 and 2021, and then now
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they think it's very fallible and that they can disagree with
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it. So I don't know.
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I, I found it an interesting story because it just seems like
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it's another thing that California's doing specifically
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because of politics. What do you think?
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Well, yeah, I think California especially manages to take
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almost anything and make it political.
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And then they author a series of bills on it to try to turn it
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into law. And I don't you can probably
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speak to this more than I can. And I'm not saying that this is
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going to happen, but this is where I could see this going is
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that they're not going to allow other people to travel to these
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states if they're not compliant with what they come up with is
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the science and recommended vaccines.
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Like I could just see them. I mean, I know we really need
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the tourist travel here, but I could just see them being like,
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Nope, you can't cross into our state lines because you're, you
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know, you don't have your up to date XY and Z vaccine.
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You didn't get your D TAP booster, you know, whatever.
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But yes, to your point too, going back to the Cal Matters
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article, remember initially when the vaccines came out, they
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insisted that if you got the series of vaccines, you would
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never get COVID again and you couldn't transmit it.
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And then that changed because people were like, got my, you
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know, 16th booster and here I am with COVID for the 50th time and
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I didn't know I had COVID and I went to work and everyone in my
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office got sick because of me. Why didn't my, you know, 16
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booster work? That was weird.
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It was weird times. Like I told you when I was
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reading the notes, I'm like, Oh my gosh, PTSD of COVID.
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And I don't want to, I don't want to go down that line
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because I know that they're talking about like in case of
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future outbreaks, they want to be able to mandate them.
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But again, that's where we're just rushing through a vaccine
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and who is the science. And so that's where I see them
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forming their own department that we're going to be taxed to
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death on. Like we aren't already taxed to
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death on everything else. So in terms of the changing
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science, and this was the point that I found ironic about how
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they believed in the science, these are all the states that
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believed in the science. We follow the science here in
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California, in Oregon and Washington.
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And these are the things we all know that they implemented and
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that they pushed, especially here in California.
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They pushed all of this stuff. And I wanted to take a look at a
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rundown of and here these are just from my notes.
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We'll start with the mask mandates.
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This is from my notes that says while masks, especially high
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quality ones like N90 fives, reduced transmission controlled
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settings, real world compliance and effectiveness varied.
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A 2021 Vox article noted clear evidence that masks work, but
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enforcement challenges and public fatigue diluted their
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impact. By 2023, California ended their
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mass mandates in high risk settings like healthcare
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facilities, reflecting a shift of the virus became less and
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severe immune can grow. Critics, including some
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scientists, argue that universal mass mandates were less
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justified for vaccinated populations or low transmission
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periods. And then it goes on to show that
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there was diminishing returns. And then it was later found out
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that most of these cloth masks, the ones that everyone was
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wearing, didn't really do anything anyway and that they
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didn't block the particles that we were looking for.
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So mass mandates were found to not be as effective as they were
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expecting to. Unless you were walking around
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with some big complicated mask that even then still was not
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transmission proof. Again, these are all this based
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on the science of this stuff. Absolutely works.
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If you mask, it absolutely blocks transmission.
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If you get a vaccine, it absolutely blocks transmission.
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School closures Evidence emerged that children were less likely
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to suffer severe outcomes or drive community spread.
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So this whole idea that they had to close schools because
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children would get sick even though children were least prone
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to COVID. A 2023 Ed Source article note
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that only 92 pediatric deaths in California by 2023, suggesting
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closures may have been disproportionate to the risk.
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Studies showed significant learning loss and mental health
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impacts, which I'm sure kids are still dealing with to this day,
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leading to debate over weather closures were justified by 2022.
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Orange County superintendents called for easing school mass
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mandates, citing low hospitalization rates and global
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trends toward intimacy endemicity.
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The state's delay in reopening schools compared to other
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states, field criticism that decisions were driven by
00:21:20
political pressure rather than science.
00:21:23
And we all know that it was probably the California Teachers
00:21:25
Association who was behind it. Actually, we know for a fact,
00:21:28
because we reported on it, how they were basically holding kids
00:21:32
ransom and holding the school's ransom for all these.
00:21:34
Like was it? It was like some absurd amount
00:21:37
of money they wanted us to spend in tax dollars, like
00:21:39
refurbishing the schools. It was like $100 billion or
00:21:42
something. They were like, we need to, we
00:21:44
need to basically spend like 100 or $200 billion, like
00:21:47
refurbishing the schools. I'm not going back to school
00:21:50
until there's a Starbucks. Not literally.
00:21:53
Sorry, that was sarcasm. Don't want anyone to think that
00:21:56
actually happened, but it's kind of how it felt.
00:21:58
It was like it wasn't about the kids and the science, it was
00:22:03
about their demands of comfort and upgrades.
00:22:08
And lastly, vaccine mandates, A2022 Calmas Cal Matters article
00:22:15
which we have just cited to it reduced severe illness but not
00:22:18
significantly blocked transmission, especially with
00:22:21
Omnicron variants, which was the least kind of deadly.
00:22:24
I guess you could say by the time we got to Omnicron, I think
00:22:26
everyone knew that this was now becoming just sort of another
00:22:30
flu virus. This undermined the rationale
00:22:32
for mandates, as unvaccinated individuals were not uniquely
00:22:36
responsible for spread. A 2024 federal court ruling
00:22:38
revived a lawsuit against Los Angeles school mandates, knowing
00:22:42
that vaccines primarily mitigate symptoms, not prevent spreads,
00:22:45
suggesting a lack of legal basis for coercion.
00:22:49
The student vaccine mandate was quietly dropped in 2023 as it
00:22:53
was deemed unnecessary with declining transmission and
00:22:55
complete FDA approval for younger children.
00:22:58
Critics argue that the mandates ignored natural immunity, which
00:23:00
studies showed as a protective as protective as vaccination for
00:23:05
some. So again, going back to the this
00:23:10
is the science. It's settled.
00:23:11
If you get a vaccine, it just stops transmission.
00:23:15
Anthony Fauci said it, Joe Biden said it, Kamala Harris said it.
00:23:18
Just get your vaccine and it'll stop transmission.
00:23:20
The science rapidly changed. It turned out you got your
00:23:23
vaccine and you were still spreading it.
00:23:26
And then they were saying people who got COVID should still get
00:23:29
the vaccine, which turned out to be also false because people who
00:23:33
had natural immunity had just as much immunity as those who were
00:23:36
vaccinated. So for them, in the end, I guess
00:23:40
my point is this is that for a group of states that said they
00:23:44
believe in the science and that they want to point out, you
00:23:48
know, this is all about the science and we got to support
00:23:50
the science. Well, you weren't really all
00:23:54
about the science five years ago.
00:23:56
So and you didn't want to acknowledge the science five
00:23:59
years ago. So again, this just seems like
00:24:00
it's political. And yeah, you're you're doing
00:24:05
this because you want to snub your nose at RFK Junior and the
00:24:08
CDC. So any final thoughts on their
00:24:13
new West Coast alliance? I'd be interested to see how far
00:24:16
this goes. Or is this just kind of like
00:24:17
symbolic? Yeah.
00:24:19
It'll be interesting to see where this goes if it's, are
00:24:22
they just virtue signaling yet again?
00:24:26
Because I mean, remember we were supposed to have had California
00:24:30
was supposed to have had our own insulin made here in the state
00:24:35
through that contract that we, the $10 million, no, $100
00:24:39
million contract with Civica RX. And we were supposed to have a
00:24:42
facility and that was supposed to be done by like now we're
00:24:47
nowhere near that. So I don't even know what this
00:24:49
alliance is going to do for science for we'll see.
00:24:55
Those are my final thoughts on that because otherwise we could
00:24:57
go down this hill forever of PTSD, COVID.
00:25:01
I don't want, yeah, I don't want to relive.
00:25:03
Yeah, we don't need. We need to go there.
00:25:06
Just another example of them thumbing their nose at the
00:25:09
administration. All right, next story, which I
00:25:11
think people are going to get a real, real kick out of is the
00:25:16
Supreme Court came out with a ruling literally yesterday, had
00:25:21
to change the we actually had to swap out a story at the last
00:25:23
minute. The Supreme Court lifted A
00:25:27
injunction that banned the Trump administration and ICE from
00:25:33
doing immigration stops. So we're going to watch the
00:25:37
video. I, the nerd that I, I am, I read
00:25:41
the the whole ruling by Brett Kavanaugh.
00:25:43
So we'll dive into a little bit of that.
00:25:44
I will try not to bore everybody coming.
00:25:47
I'm sure you'll have questions and I will do my best to answer
00:25:51
them from a Supreme Court perspective or a lawyer
00:25:53
perspective. But let's jump into this clip.
00:25:57
The nation's highest court sides with the Trump administration.
00:26:01
Another big story today, clearing the way for federal
00:26:03
agents to carry out sweeping immigration enforcement.
00:26:07
Again, welcome to the FOX 11 News at 5, simulcast on our
00:26:10
sister station, FOX 11 Plus, I'm Christine Devine.
00:26:14
So L as Mayor Karen Bass stood united with several community
00:26:18
leaders outside the Westlake Home Depot today, they were
00:26:21
condemning the Supreme Court's decision.
00:26:23
That's where we find FOX 11's Rachel Aragon with the story.
00:26:26
Rachel, several top LA city leaders stood outside this very
00:26:33
Home Depot in Westlake. A reminder, it's one of several
00:26:36
stores that was targeted by federal agents earlier this
00:26:40
month and last month. We also know, though, after
00:26:43
today's big Supreme Court ruling, it's prompting more
00:26:46
concerns and fears about these raids continuing.
00:26:50
We will not Supreme Court or anyone to divide us.
00:26:57
Outrage and a promise to fight back.
00:26:59
The message from LA Mayor Karen Bass after the country's highest
00:27:02
court's decision allowing federal agents to continue
00:27:06
sweeping immigration opera. Did I see Home Depot signs in
00:27:10
the back of that? I got to go back.
00:27:13
I, you know, I don't know, but isn't that what they said was
00:27:16
they were in front of the Home Depot?
00:27:19
It's funny that there's a Home Depot sign there because Home
00:27:22
Depot, the CEO or owner of Home Depot is one of like the biggest
00:27:26
Trump supporters. So it is interesting that they
00:27:29
it's interesting that they had Home Depot signs.
00:27:31
I don't think the owner of Home Depot would appreciate that.
00:27:35
So, so they're like supporting, like they're like holding.
00:27:37
We stand with Home Depot, not with.
00:27:40
Yeah. And Home Depot, the owner of
00:27:43
Home Depot is very pro Trump. So it is interesting that
00:27:45
they're trying to be like what we staying with the people who
00:27:47
are working outside Home Depot or standing outside Home Depot.
00:27:51
Decision allowing federal agents to continue sweeping immigration
00:27:55
operations in Los Angeles. Using race or language as a
00:27:58
basis to stop people. Law enforcement cannot racially
00:28:02
profile and discriminate against Latinos against Angelenos based
00:28:07
on their race. From home depots to car washes
00:28:13
over the last three months, the federal immigration raids in the
00:28:16
LA area have made some fearful to continue or find work.
00:28:21
Approximately 247 car wash workers have disappeared from
00:28:26
our communities. This is just unacceptable.
00:28:30
It's a daily fear in our community.
00:28:32
People aren't going to church, aren't going to to to work in
00:28:35
many cases. Ron Gocha is a community
00:28:37
organizer and teacher in South Los Angeles says after Monday's
00:28:41
ruling, he plans to continue conducting community patrols.
00:28:45
What we've tried to do is we try to locate ICE activity before
00:28:49
they strike so that we can warn our community so they have a
00:28:51
chance to defend themselves. In a social media post, the
00:28:54
Department of Homeland Security calling the Supreme Court's
00:28:57
decision a victory, adding DHS will continue to arrest and
00:29:01
remove the criminal illegal aliens that the mayor of LA is
00:29:05
protecting. But top city leaders say they're
00:29:08
not backing down despite Monday's decision.
00:29:12
From the beginning, we have known that Los Angeles has been
00:29:15
used as a test case for total dominance and unchecked power by
00:29:21
the federal government. Earlier today, Mayor Bass.
00:29:25
Also adding, she says she has taken several steps in response
00:29:29
to all this. As one example, she said she
00:29:31
filed a Freedom of Information request to get more answers from
00:29:34
the federal government as to where and why people are being
00:29:38
taken away. We live in Westlake.
00:29:40
Rachel Aragon, back to you. All right, Karen Bass, probably
00:29:47
most thankful about this issue because, well, takes away from
00:29:53
the fact that she's managed that city into the ground and no one
00:29:56
kind of asked her about what's going on with the wildfires and
00:29:58
rebuilding the Palisades. But you know, I guess when you
00:30:01
can deflect as a politician, that's the most important thing.
00:30:05
Yes, talk about unchecked powers.
00:30:07
Yeah. I wanted to get into the ruling
00:30:12
of this. And again, if anybody has any
00:30:14
questions in the chat about what Brett Kavanaugh is saying, I'll
00:30:18
do my best to kind of decipher what the Supreme Court is saying
00:30:22
in this ruling. And for me as the legal nerd
00:30:27
that I am, whenever there's a Supreme Court ruling, good or
00:30:31
bad, I guess if you believe in it or not, I always go straight
00:30:34
to the ruling because a lot of times it explains what their
00:30:37
rationale is there. Maybe sometimes I don't agree
00:30:40
with it, but it explains it. Like I, I think I was saying to
00:30:43
you before about how like people always go after like Amy Coney
00:30:46
Barrett and they say like, she's a traitor and she's not MAGA or
00:30:49
anything. I'm like, OK, First off, Supreme
00:30:51
Court justices aren't MAGA or supposed to be Republican.
00:30:55
They're non political. But always when you read it, you
00:30:59
might get a better idea of where they're coming from.
00:31:01
They're not voting like congressman, you know, they're
00:31:03
not like, oh, we're on team red or team blue.
00:31:05
We, we have to vote for the Trump administration.
00:31:08
But in this case, the six conservative justices did side
00:31:13
with the ruling or concurring opinion, which was written
00:31:17
presented by Brett Kavanaugh. So this is from the Supreme
00:31:20
Court of the United States. I'll do my best to kind of just
00:31:24
go through it and not bore everyone to death.
00:31:28
Goes on to say illegal immigration is especially
00:31:30
pronounced in Los Angeles area, among other locales in the
00:31:32
United States. About 10% of the people in Los
00:31:35
Angeles region are illegally in the United States, meaning about
00:31:38
2 million illegal immigrants out of a population of 20 million.
00:31:44
That's a big number. I think it's a pretty big
00:31:47
number. Not surprisingly, given those
00:31:49
extraordinary numbers, US immigration officers have
00:31:51
prioritized immigration enforcement in the Los Angeles
00:31:54
area. Immigration stops based on
00:31:57
reasonable suspicion of illegal presence have been an important
00:32:01
component of US immigration enforcement for decades across
00:32:04
several presidential administrations.
00:32:06
In this case, however, the District Court enjoined US
00:32:09
immigration officers from marking making investigative
00:32:12
stops in the Los Angeles area when the stops are based on the
00:32:15
following factors or combination of factors.
00:32:18
One, presence at particular locations such as bus stops, car
00:32:21
washes, day labor pickup sites, agricultural sites and the like.
00:32:25
2, The type of work one does. 3, Speaking Spanish or speaking
00:32:29
English with an accent, and three, apparent race or
00:32:32
ethnicity. They go on to say the Los
00:32:35
Angeles area issue here is the central District, which includes
00:32:39
LA, Ventura, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, Orange, Riverside.
00:32:43
And so that's a big area, San Bernardino.
00:32:45
So there's a lot of people in that area.
00:32:49
We're going to, we'll skip past the standing because that's not
00:32:53
really that interesting. So pulling back for a second,
00:32:57
like what they're talking about here.
00:33:00
And This is why it's important you actually read the ruling,
00:33:03
not just listen to what these like crowing heads say on the
00:33:07
news. There's a difference between
00:33:10
when law enforcement can stop you for probable cause or
00:33:13
reasonable suspicion, and reasonable suspicion, which they
00:33:17
say right here is a lesser requirement than probable cause
00:33:21
and quote, considerably short of the preponderance of the
00:33:24
evidence standard. Whether an officer has
00:33:26
reasonable suspicions depends on the totality of the
00:33:29
circumstances. So for probable cause, you can
00:33:33
detain someone because you believe a crime has been
00:33:36
committed. Reasonable suspicion, kind of
00:33:38
like, hey, what's going on here? Like this is kind of fishy.
00:33:42
Like what happens if they're walking by a house and it sounds
00:33:45
like a couple is fighting and a woman screams and there's all
00:33:49
this tussling. Is that reasonable suspicion for
00:33:52
them to go up and knock on the door and be like, hey what's
00:33:54
going on here like should we check this out?
00:33:59
To be clear, a parent ethnicity alone cannot furnish reasonable
00:34:03
suspicion under this courts case law regarding immigration stops.
00:34:06
However, it can be a quote relevant factor when considered
00:34:11
along with other salient factors.
00:34:15
It goes on to talk about all those other factors.
00:34:18
So in is it is in this case, particularly given the millions
00:34:21
of individuals illegally in the United States, the myriad
00:34:24
significant economic and social problems caused by illegal
00:34:27
immigration, and the government's efforts to
00:34:29
prioritize stricter enforcement of the immigration laws enacted
00:34:32
by Congress. Meaning the balancing of the
00:34:36
equities is in favor of the government because they want to
00:34:38
enforce immigration law. But the fact remains that under
00:34:42
the laws passed by Congress and the President, they are acting
00:34:46
illegally by remaining in the United States.
00:34:49
At least until Congress and the President chose some legislative
00:34:51
approach to legalize somewhere all those individuals now
00:34:54
illegally present in the country.
00:34:56
And by illegally immigrate into the remaining in the country and
00:35:00
remaining in the country, they are not only violating the
00:35:02
immigration laws but also jumping in front of those non
00:35:04
citizens who follow the rules and wait in line to immigrate
00:35:07
into the United States for through the legal immigration
00:35:09
process. Excuse me.
00:35:13
For those reasons, the interest of the illegal immigrants
00:35:17
innovating, questioning and thus evading detection are not
00:35:20
particularly substantial as a legal matter.
00:35:23
Any questions while I take a sip of water, I do have a question.
00:35:28
Because I just want to clarify, they can't walk up to someone
00:35:32
who looks of Mexican descent and say like, you know, are you show
00:35:38
me your that you're a legal citizen.
00:35:41
But if that person is perhaps hanging out in front of Home
00:35:44
Depot at 5:00 AM on a Saturday morning and is also looks of
00:35:49
Mexican descent, then they have reasonable cause to question
00:35:52
them. Is that am I understanding this
00:35:55
correctly right? So what?
00:35:57
They're saying here is it's the totality of the circumstances of
00:36:04
we know, it's no secret that there are people who are day
00:36:08
laborers and they wait outside a Home Depot in places where those
00:36:13
who are here illegally usually congregate to fine daily work
00:36:17
where they're going to get paid cash.
00:36:20
That is not like some big secret.
00:36:22
It's not like they've outsmarted ICE by being like, well, we're
00:36:25
just going to hang outside Home Depot.
00:36:27
So it's sort of the totality of it.
00:36:30
And this is where The Descent written by Sotomayor, of course,
00:36:34
gets it wrong because she says that, oh, now they're just going
00:36:39
to stop every Latino that they see because it's reasonable
00:36:42
suspicion. Well, no, that's not what Brick
00:36:44
Cavanaugh was saying here. He's not saying that basically
00:36:48
if you're Latino that they can stop you.
00:36:51
It's you're Latino or you're this specific ethnicity that is
00:36:56
known to be here illegally. You're in a place where they
00:36:59
know that illegal immigrants congregate to look for work.
00:37:03
They you don't speak English that well or you speak Spanish.
00:37:08
So it's sort of the the totality of everything.
00:37:11
Well, this is likely where illegal immigrants are.
00:37:15
So we can stop them and ask them what their immigration status
00:37:19
is. And that's the reasonable
00:37:20
suspicion standard. So it has to be more than just
00:37:26
other Latinos. So we have to question them.
00:37:28
And that's the people who are freaking out about this are
00:37:31
going to make it sound like that's the whole thing is that
00:37:34
and even Sotomayor, Supreme Court Justice said it's it's
00:37:38
basically legalizing them to stop all Latinos on the street
00:37:42
for anything they want. I wish they had the same.
00:37:45
Energy with the TSA. Yeah, I wish they had this same.
00:37:50
Sorry, the. Same energy with the TSA, like,
00:37:52
wait, they're even though they're not supposed to be
00:37:56
racially profiling, that was kind of how it was established
00:37:59
anyway. And so maybe we should get rid
00:38:01
of that department because it's racist.
00:38:03
Just a thought. Brett asked.
00:38:06
Doesn't Terry V Ohio give them the right to detain these?
00:38:10
Terry V Ohio sounds very familiar for my law school days.
00:38:14
You're citing case law that's from like for me for like 10
00:38:17
years ago. Especially continuing in the
00:38:21
opinion says especially an immigration case like this one
00:38:23
is also important to stress the proper role of the judiciary.
00:38:27
The judiciary does not set immigration policy or decide
00:38:30
enforcement priorities. It should come as no surprise
00:38:33
that some administrations may be more lazy, fair and enforcing
00:38:35
immigration law like the Biden administration, and other
00:38:39
administrations more strict, like the Trump administration.
00:38:43
Article 3 judges may have views on which policy approach is
00:38:46
better or fairer, but judges are not appointed to make those
00:38:49
policy calls. Jeez, where'd that go?
00:38:51
Did we jump around? Where did that go?
00:38:55
We lost. It.
00:39:01
Somehow I skipped down to the dissent.
00:39:02
I'm sorry, we merely ensure, oh, here we go.
00:39:08
But judges are not appointed to make those policy calls.
00:39:11
We merely ensure in just justiciable cases that the
00:39:15
executive branch acts within the confines of the Constitution.
00:39:18
Man, why does it keep doing this?
00:39:21
And. Federal statute just.
00:39:23
As look, I don't want to read Sotomayor's dissent, OK?
00:39:29
See this is the deep state. At work they want me to read
00:39:31
Sotomayor's this Court. No, now it won't stay.
00:39:35
This court a few years ago declined to step outside our
00:39:38
constitutionally assigned role to improperly compel greater
00:39:41
executive branch enforcement of the immigration laws.
00:39:43
United States V Texas. We now likewise must decline to
00:39:46
step outside our constitutionally assigned role
00:39:49
to improperly restrict reasonably reasonable executive
00:39:52
branch enforcement of the immigration laws.
00:39:54
Consistency and neutrality are hallmarks of good judging, and
00:39:57
in my view we abide by those enduring judicial values in this
00:40:00
case by granting the stay so. That was Brett.
00:40:05
Kavanaugh he got. That done in 10 pages.
00:40:08
So he got his ruling done and then Sotomayor went on a 21 page
00:40:12
descent where she said we should not have to live in a country
00:40:15
where the government can seize anyone who looks Latino, speaks
00:40:17
Spanish and appears to work a low wage job.
00:40:21
So that's her whole argument. Wait, that's not what it said
00:40:24
so. Again.
00:40:25
Yeah, that's. That's not what it says at all.
00:40:29
Obviously our our governor running for president, although
00:40:35
he says he's not running for president, we all know he's
00:40:37
running for president. He had this to say about about
00:40:42
this ruling. Of course, he couldn't not say
00:40:44
anything real. Donald Trump's hand picked
00:40:47
SCOTUS Majori just became the Grand Marshall for a parade of
00:40:52
racial terror in LA. His administration is targeting
00:40:56
Latinos and anyone who doesn't look or sound like Stephen
00:40:59
Miller's idea of an American to deliberately harm our families
00:41:03
and economy. Again, that's not what the
00:41:06
ruling said, But OK, Trump's private police force now has a
00:41:10
green light to come after your family.
00:41:12
Every person is now a target. California will continue to do
00:41:14
all we can to fight these abhorrent attacks on
00:41:16
Californians. So like I said, mention
00:41:21
something without mentioning. Trump, like I said, it's it's.
00:41:25
It's important that when these rulings come out that you
00:41:29
actually sit down and like, you know, like read the ruling
00:41:31
because a lot of people will just jump to conclusions about
00:41:34
what they think it is. And I mean, it's, it's the
00:41:38
reasonable suspicion standard that they, they can approach
00:41:42
people. You can be approached on the
00:41:44
street for doing something that looks sketchy if you're doing
00:41:47
something in the middle of the night like you said if you were.
00:41:51
Outside of a store. Loitering around at 2:00 in the
00:41:54
morning when that store is closed, a cop has the reasonable
00:41:58
suspicion to believe what are you doing outside this store and
00:42:01
ask like, what are you doing there?
00:42:03
They don't have probable cause to arrest you or stop, but they
00:42:06
can at least ask you like, what's going on?
00:42:09
And that's really what this is. What are your thoughts?
00:42:17
I'm still kind of wrapping my head around exactly what this
00:42:19
means. I think.
00:42:20
I think you clarified it well, but unfortunately during times
00:42:26
like this there are things that are kind of.
00:42:30
Necessary. Like it?
00:42:31
It looks and sounds awful, but we do know that, OK, like you
00:42:36
mentioned, there's 2 million people in Los Angeles alone who
00:42:39
have come here illegally. And that doesn't even account
00:42:43
for everywhere else. And not all, well, they're
00:42:47
criminals in the sense that they're here illegally, but not
00:42:50
all of them are horrible people. But we do know that a lot of
00:42:52
them are committing some pretty horrible crimes.
00:42:55
And, you know, they, unfortunately, racial profiling
00:42:59
has come into that. And I think that that's sad.
00:43:04
I don't know that I agree with the racial profiling, but if I'm
00:43:08
not walking my dog and someone said that there was a white
00:43:12
woman with brown hair going through mailboxes and I just
00:43:15
happened to be out walking my dog.
00:43:17
And they're like, well, there's a white woman walking in the
00:43:19
same neighborhood. Let's go question her.
00:43:22
You know, it was I racially profiled or was I fitting a
00:43:25
description of somebody who was doing something illegal like,
00:43:30
you know, and so I wouldn't be offended if I got questioned
00:43:36
because they're like, well, there we got someone fitting
00:43:38
your description. OK.
00:43:40
It wasn't me. Like, you know, you can, you
00:43:42
can, you'll figure it out. It wasn't me.
00:43:44
And they'll they'll release me and they'll let me go.
00:43:46
I'll go on my way. I wasn't doing anything illegal.
00:43:51
Yeah, that's true. That was really.
00:43:52
Not a very odd for who it thought.
00:43:55
No, that's that's reasonable. Suspicion that is like if law
00:43:59
enforcement believes there is suspicion to stop you because of
00:44:03
something and standing in the way of basically, you know, the
00:44:08
Supreme Court is basically saying here, like for us to keep
00:44:13
the ban in effect, we're basically asking law enforcement
00:44:17
to not do their job or to do what they're supposed to do.
00:44:22
Yeah, there are administrations who are really aggressive, like
00:44:26
the Trump, current Trump administration is very
00:44:28
aggressive on deportations. I guess when you compare that to
00:44:32
the Biden administration, who is who was not strict at all.
00:44:37
I don't know how many people came across the border at that
00:44:39
time. Either way, it is the law.
00:44:43
And and that I, Brett Kavanaugh, did touch upon something that
00:44:48
again, Democrats always seem to kind of conveniently forget is
00:44:54
that this is actually the law. Like this is the law of the
00:44:57
land. These are the immigration laws.
00:45:00
You've been in power how many times in the past 1214 years?
00:45:06
You've never changed it. So for as much as Democrats
00:45:10
always crow about this is unlawful, this is wrong, this is
00:45:16
a breach of constitutional freedom, blah blah blah.
00:45:21
If you don't like it, the point. Of our government is you can
00:45:25
change it, you can change the laws and if you want it to be
00:45:28
more laxed and not what it is now on the books, you could have
00:45:33
done that. You, you know, you were
00:45:35
immensely powerful under Barack Obama.
00:45:38
You had Joe Biden in office, who would have signed anything you
00:45:41
put in front of him. That's.
00:45:45
That's how this works like. Until you fix the laws on that
00:45:49
are on the books, this is the law.
00:45:52
And if there is law enforcement, a special agency that is in
00:45:56
tasked with enforcing that law, then they have to enforce that
00:46:00
law. So we don't get to pick and
00:46:03
choose what laws are on the books and say, well, we're not
00:46:05
going to listen to this law then we're not going to listen to
00:46:07
this law now and blah, blah, blah.
00:46:09
It's either a law or it's not a law.
00:46:11
And we've talked about this a lot in terms of like
00:46:13
homelessness and stuff like that.
00:46:14
Either it is a law or it's not a law.
00:46:17
And either we make exceptions and allow everybody to skirt
00:46:22
laws and not pay attention to laws or we enforce laws.
00:46:26
And we are a country of laws. So I think it'll obviously they
00:46:32
are going to run with this and make it sound like it's, you
00:46:35
know, his his private police force is they call them the
00:46:39
Gestapo. The brown shirts will now be out
00:46:41
in forest going to get all the people.
00:46:44
So, yeah. Any other final thoughts on this
00:46:48
topic? Well, this is.
00:46:50
Going to sound sarcastic, but going back to the first topic,
00:46:57
people who are here illegally, they were very afraid to go get
00:47:01
COVID vaccines because they thought like they'll get caught
00:47:04
and deported and stuff, even though they were allowed to get
00:47:07
vaccinated regardless of their immigration status and all that.
00:47:10
And so you have to factor in that these two million plus
00:47:14
people in one area are likely not vaccinated against most
00:47:19
things that like even the vaccines that we've had here
00:47:22
forever, they're likely. And the end I've heard it argued
00:47:26
that, oh, they're not actually spreading any of these diseases.
00:47:29
But I don't know how we can confidently say that when
00:47:33
they're likely not vaccinated. And how do we know that 2
00:47:35
million unvaccinated people like, you know, no measles
00:47:39
vaccines, no chicken pox vaccines, flu shots, all the
00:47:42
things, they're not spreading anything.
00:47:44
And yet 2 million amongst us somehow.
00:47:47
So I do just think it's very interesting what they pick and
00:47:51
choose is we need to protect these people from, you know,
00:47:56
being deported, but also we need to make sure that we protect our
00:48:02
communities by getting vaccinated.
00:48:04
But this group doesn't need to get vaccinated.
00:48:06
And I just think that there is a weird little carryover of like,
00:48:11
you know, we want this rule when it only applies here, and we
00:48:15
only want this rule when it applies here.
00:48:17
And so just kind of interesting, I guess, either we are a
00:48:23
country. Of laws or we are not a country
00:48:25
of laws and that's why faith in institutions is at an all time
00:48:29
low. I think Speaking of faith in
00:48:32
institutions at an all time low, a new, I don't know if he's new,
00:48:36
but he's new to me because I just discovered him the other
00:48:38
day. A new candidate has entered the
00:48:40
race and the only reason we're talking about him is because
00:48:44
he's so different than all the candidates who are running right
00:48:47
now. His name is Butch Ware.
00:48:49
He is running on the Green Party ticket.
00:48:51
So he is a avowed socialist. I think he's also a doctor of
00:48:57
like racial theory or something like that.
00:48:59
He's not like a medical doctor. He's a doctor of like education
00:49:02
or racial theory or something like that.
00:49:04
He's a he's. A professor?
00:49:06
He's a professor, Yeah. He's not a medical.
00:49:08
Doctor African Studies, I think. Right.
00:49:10
Was it African Studies something, something like that,
00:49:13
Something like that. Oh.
00:49:15
Also, by the way, we have new mugs.
00:49:18
If you want to say this is our new, we also have it in the
00:49:20
T-shirt, which I'm waiting on my T-shirt.
00:49:23
So if anybody wants to go, you can go California to grand out
00:49:25
live. And that's our new one.
00:49:27
So we're going to watch a little bit of this.
00:49:31
I will preface it with this. He said stuff in this interview.
00:49:36
I listened to the actual whole hour and a half because I like
00:49:39
one of the guys, the interviewers, James is really
00:49:42
good at like exposing stuff. There is stuff that he said that
00:49:47
I'm like, I agree with you on the principle of this.
00:49:50
I agree with you that the California Democrats are all
00:49:53
bought and paid for by corporate donors that, you know, Democrats
00:49:57
and Republicans have basically been the same party for a long
00:49:59
time. I agree with all a lot of those
00:50:03
principles. And then he gets to his
00:50:04
solutions and then I go, no, I don't agree with your solutions
00:50:09
because your solutions are off the wall crazy.
00:50:12
So we're going to watch a little bit.
00:50:15
Let me know if you want me to stop for any comments or
00:50:18
anything. Let's see, I gotta figure out
00:50:23
where my button is. Here we go.
00:50:28
Percent, by the way. From from a. 120 average per
00:50:33
night in 2019 to an average now of 182 people sleeping on
00:50:39
the street every night in a, in a state that has 186
00:50:44
billionaires in it, that has more billionaires than any other
00:50:47
state. Now 25 billion of our money has
00:50:50
essentially gone to NGO's and to developers rather than going to
00:50:56
the people that are actually on the street.
00:50:58
So we see this poverty industrial complex, the middle
00:51:02
men that take a cut off of the top from our tax dollars and
00:51:05
then they're going to buy up a Ramada Inn and turn it into a
00:51:09
homeless shelter. But in the meantime, they're
00:51:11
going to write themselves a $400 a year salary as the
00:51:14
CEO, right? It's a it's a massive grift.
00:51:17
And the Democrats have been completely implicit in that.
00:51:21
With that same money, you could have paid universal basic income
00:51:24
for every homeless person in the state of California, 25 per
00:51:28
person, including the children, and it would come out cheaper
00:51:31
than the 25 billion we paid. That would literally put every
00:51:34
single homeless person in the state of California above the
00:51:37
national poverty threshold. Now we know that that that's not
00:51:40
the poverty threshold in California because you can be
00:51:42
broke making 75 grand in California for sure.
00:51:44
Crazy people. People try to say that that's.
00:51:46
Not the case, but it's so it's decidedly the case.
00:51:50
But the point is, is that that money would be better spent if
00:51:52
it was going to actually meet the basic need, rather than
00:51:56
first having corporations or NGOs take a cut.
00:52:01
OK, so I'll stop. There I agree with his principle
00:52:07
that yes, when it comes to homeless spending, it is a
00:52:12
major. Grift we call.
00:52:13
It the homeless industrial complex on this show because of
00:52:17
the fact that people make so much money off of this and
00:52:20
developers make so much money and they make these huge
00:52:22
contracts and then you have heads of nonprofits and NGOs who
00:52:26
make 4 or $500 a year. He's right there.
00:52:30
He is right there. I don't agree with his whole
00:52:34
let's just give out free government money to everybody
00:52:36
and give $25 in universal health care.
00:52:39
But again, that's sort of his like I agree in principle.
00:52:43
And then all of a sudden he comes out with the status
00:52:46
solution and I'm like, nap, you lost me.
00:52:50
Then the the did you have a thought?
00:52:54
No, I I agree. With you, I mean, we constantly
00:52:57
talk about this, is that the the state creates an issue and then
00:53:02
all the people are like, we need more state to fix the issue.
00:53:05
And what? No, no, we don't.
00:53:08
This is the opposite. We need the opposite.
00:53:10
So yeah, you can continue argument against.
00:53:14
What you're saying now from a political strategy standpoint is
00:53:18
they would say, well do. You want fascism?
00:53:22
Right, because that's the other choice that people are saying.
00:53:24
That's what they would say. It's like, oh, do you?
00:53:26
You're right. It's like, oh, if you don't vote
00:53:27
for Katie Porter, oh, then you get some crazy dude and do you
00:53:31
and and people are getting rounded up.
00:53:32
Do you want that? That's what I think the
00:53:34
Democrats would always go to is that, well, yeah, that's not
00:53:37
ideal that we just wasted 25 billion.
00:53:39
But you know, do you? But but, but Trump.
00:53:42
But the other guys and was so that's the beauty of what's
00:53:45
about to happen in this gubernatorial election.
00:53:47
So they're, that argument is going to be off the table for
00:53:51
them for the following reason. So teams red and blue try to rig
00:53:55
the system. So there's always a Democrat
00:53:57
versus a Republican. And the Dems definitely want
00:53:59
that in the state of California because the Republican, well.
00:54:03
Not necessarily because in California they've rigged it so
00:54:07
that it's always seems like it's always Democrat versus Democrat
00:54:10
with the jungle primary. It's not always Democrat versus
00:54:13
Republican. So that's not true.
00:54:16
I like that he he, they kind of go off the whole, well, you have
00:54:19
to vote for Katie Porter. I mean, she's the most logical
00:54:21
sense. And I'm like, is she the most
00:54:24
logical? We people who've tuned in the
00:54:26
show know our feelings about Katie Porter.
00:54:29
If she ever wants to come on the show and and kind of defend her
00:54:32
position, she's more than welcome to.
00:54:33
But I doubt she would. Who knows?
00:54:36
Crazier things have happened. Remember, the Democrats do.
00:54:38
Stick together. If Katie they they tend to stick
00:54:44
together in the sense of like Katie Porter is the front
00:54:49
runner. I don't know if she's the front
00:54:50
runner for the Democrats, but she's the biggest name right
00:54:53
now. I mean, we know we've got like
00:54:54
Via Ragosa and this this guy's joining in.
00:54:57
I don't think this guy's going to really go anywhere.
00:54:59
But we saw it after when Joe Biden clearly couldn't even
00:55:06
physically or mentally even be on that to beat stage.
00:55:10
And yet they all stood by were like a master class.
00:55:13
He's a master class. And then whatever one's like,
00:55:16
no, no, no, no, you know, all of a sudden they switched and call
00:55:20
Harris was then the their their person.
00:55:23
And they all were like, oh, yes, she's our best choice.
00:55:26
Like, I mean, they just they went with it.
00:55:27
They went with it. So if the Democrats decide this
00:55:30
is the guy, they're going to decide this is the guy, they're
00:55:32
going to stick together and they're this is going to be the
00:55:34
guy. So I disagree with kind of what
00:55:36
he says here, publicans. Not winning.
00:55:40
Any major election anytime soon in California?
00:55:42
In California? Inside the state of California?
00:55:45
Impossible. It's not.
00:55:46
Impossible, but it's implausible, and let me explain
00:55:51
why. So the reason is, is that in the
00:55:54
state of California, there are actually as many registered
00:55:57
independents as there are registered Republicans.
00:56:00
The state leans that far. You know, I don't want to say
00:56:03
left, but that far Liberal, but most of the independents.
00:56:06
Voted for Trump in the presidential election, so who's
00:56:09
correct? But in the.
00:56:12
California because they're not going to have the choice.
00:56:14
So this is The thing is that teams red and blue engineered it
00:56:19
so that it would just be a jungle primary.
00:56:21
Only the top 2 advance if it's a.
00:56:25
Green Party candidate sitting. In that second position, then
00:56:28
what is Team Blue going to say? They can't fear monger about the
00:56:32
Republicans coming to power. And what does it take to get to
00:56:35
2nd place? In 2022, the 2nd place finisher
00:56:39
in the gubernatorial election got 17.7% of the vote, but there
00:56:44
were 5.5 million votes cast. 1.29 million votes got them to
00:56:49
2nd place. Get me 1.5 million votes, 1.7
00:56:52
million votes on June 2nd of 2026 and I'll break the Dems
00:56:55
over my knee. I promise you.
00:56:59
Isn't that incorrect? Well, I mean I disagree with his
00:57:02
math. Because he's saying, First off,
00:57:05
you're you're with the Green Party, which I don't even know
00:57:09
what the numbers for the Green Party are, but the fact that
00:57:11
you're like, well, there's as many independents as there are
00:57:13
Republicans. OK, well, you don't think
00:57:15
Republicans are going to vote for Republican candidates?
00:57:18
Great independents are probably going to weigh in on theirs,
00:57:21
whether it's split 5050, and Democrats will show up and pick
00:57:24
their person. He's assuming that.
00:57:28
Like the independents are all going to break towards him.
00:57:32
Like I don't see the data that shows independence wildly
00:57:38
breaking towards a radical Green Party socialist like the that
00:57:43
other host said. Like yeah, independence actually
00:57:45
broke more in California for Trump.
00:57:48
So I don't see in like 2 years all of a sudden they're going to
00:57:51
be like, you know what, screw Trump and that like we're going
00:57:54
to be full on socialist. Like we're going to go farther
00:57:56
left. I just don't get his math of
00:58:00
where he thinks he's going to get 1.5 million votes.
00:58:03
If Democrats are going to line up behind one person, there's
00:58:07
going to be a Democratic convention, they're going to
00:58:09
nominate somebody who is going to be, I guess they're going to
00:58:13
throw their weight behind somebody.
00:58:15
And then I'm sure they'll do the same with the Republicans.
00:58:17
Like they'll pick someone who they think everybody should
00:58:19
rally behind. And then that will really be it
00:58:22
is like, OK, you have the 2 picks because you have those two
00:58:26
camps with their established votes.
00:58:28
I just don't really see like where does.
00:58:32
This dude get one point. 5 million votes, especially not
00:58:36
from independents. Unless there's that many
00:58:37
disenfranchised Democrats. Who knows?
00:58:39
I mean, 50% of the electorate is Democrat, so maybe he picks up a
00:58:44
good amount of disenfranchised Democrats, but you're running as
00:58:48
a Green Party like I. Don't know how much you're, how
00:58:52
far you're. Going to go.
00:58:53
Maybe he thought it wasn't worth it to run in the Democratic
00:58:56
Party because you'd have to fight all the, you know, big
00:58:59
names like Anthony Villaraigosa and Katie Porter.
00:59:03
And I guess Alex Padilla is now weighing like jumping into the
00:59:06
race. So that's a lot of big money
00:59:07
names. But you keep cutting out and I
00:59:11
don't know if. That's just for me.
00:59:14
Where did I lose you? Is it just?
00:59:17
Cut out all over the. Place and I still here.
00:59:26
Can people in the chat let me know if my you're cutting it in
00:59:29
and out? Yeah.
00:59:32
People in the chat let me know how my audio is going.
00:59:34
We'll keep watching because all of those.
00:59:37
Independent and Republican voters will hear me banging on
00:59:41
the corruption of the Democrats and saying we don't have to do
00:59:44
this BS culture war that they've been trying to to, to stage to
00:59:48
keep you 2 guys divided. Because everybody in this state
00:59:51
wants healthcare. Everybody in this state wants
00:59:53
affordable housing. Nobody in this state wants Gavin
00:59:56
Newsom's buddies taking a cut off at the top of their tax
00:59:58
dollars before any social services get.
01:00:01
Delivered. Yeah.
01:00:02
No, I I mean I. Agree I don't think that it's
01:00:05
out of the question though that a Republican could win in the
01:00:07
state of California because of what a horrible job Gavin Newsom
01:00:11
has done and Karen Bass in LA and with this fire stuff
01:00:14
continuing on it's it's shined a big light.
01:00:17
Well, they're going. They're going to need better.
01:00:18
They're going to need. Better Republicans.
01:00:20
Because I mean, if Caitlin Bianco or whatever his name is,
01:00:23
you don't have to be Caitlin J. And she ain't.
01:00:25
She ain't. She ain't winning nothing and.
01:00:27
I'll tell you this. Yeah.
01:00:28
What do you think about? I think she's a big.
01:00:30
Caitlin, that's that's enough of that to.
01:00:33
Kind of go off on Caitlyn Jenner.
01:00:34
So is Caitlyn running? No, Caitlyn's Caitlyn.
01:00:39
'S not running. She ran in the recall, but she's
01:00:41
not. She's not running now.
01:00:44
I was confused. I was like is.
01:00:45
This an old interview? No, this is recent.
01:00:49
Somebody said does. This man have a this.
01:00:50
Guy have a man bun next. That's Butch Ware.
01:00:54
I thought it was interesting because he's so off the, I
01:00:59
guess, off the political spectrum that we're used to
01:01:03
hearing with Democrats and Republicans.
01:01:05
And again, there's a lot of frustration with obviously the
01:01:11
ruling class in California and the Democrats are not doing a
01:01:15
great job. But people get there are points,
01:01:17
he says, like people fear monger into voting for Democrats and
01:01:21
continually putting corporate Democrats like Katie Porter,
01:01:25
like Scott Weiner, like all these people into office
01:01:29
because, like, well, the the alternative is, is fascism.
01:01:32
It's like, is that a real argument or is it just an
01:01:35
argument to keep you in power? But I don't see him getting that
01:01:40
far in the in the gubernatorial race at all.
01:01:44
But he could tap into that frustration.
01:01:47
I mean, crazier things have happened.
01:01:49
They're going to have an avowed communist be the mayor of New
01:01:51
York City pretty soon. So, you know, you got mom Donnie
01:01:56
on the rise. Maybe there is kind of room for
01:02:00
a far left socialist to make room.
01:02:02
He may not win, but he may make inroads.
01:02:06
But I. Don't think he'll win.
01:02:08
But I think there could be, there could be room for
01:02:12
disenfranchised Democrats to go look for that.
01:02:16
So what are your thoughts on Butch Ware Doctor Butch Ware Oh?
01:02:23
Yeah, he, you know, said a couple intelligent things and
01:02:28
then he mostly just lost me. But he's welcome to come on the
01:02:32
show, too. We we like to.
01:02:39
We like to keep an open platform.
01:02:40
If anybody wants to come on and talk, we actually we've been
01:02:43
discussing having. More people on who we don't
01:02:46
necessarily agree with because we, you know, we, we want to say
01:02:51
that we are fair and open minded.
01:02:54
And so I don't want to scare anyone, but you know, we, anyone
01:02:58
that we bring on the show is not an endorsement.
01:03:00
We don't endorse any candidates. So whether right or left or in
01:03:06
the middle, if we do bring on someone in the future that you
01:03:10
guys are like, what? We're just, you know.
01:03:14
We're trying to learn, we're trying to hear another side to
01:03:17
the story that we may totally, 100% disagree with, but at least
01:03:20
we're allowing people to come on and tell us why we shouldn't
01:03:24
vote for them. Yeah, come on and defend your.
01:03:27
Your policies, it's not you know, we're not going to give
01:03:29
you a cupcake interview. Yeah, we want to make it a
01:03:32
platform so if anybody wants to come on, they can come on.
01:03:35
We may not agree with you and we may push back and maybe an
01:03:37
uncomfortable interview or or guest spot.
01:03:40
But so that was Butch Ware. Any other final thoughts before
01:03:46
we finish up? Thanks to everybody for oh, the
01:03:50
chat is going wild. And thank you everybody for
01:03:52
tuning in. Everybody in the chat keeping
01:03:56
keeping it active. I've been watching all you
01:03:58
people chatting. Someone says the word Democrat
01:04:02
is a polite way of saying socialism.
01:04:05
OK, maybe in yeah, in California.
01:04:08
And long gone are the days of Blue Dog Democrats and stuff
01:04:10
like that. So one more thing about
01:04:14
housekeeping. Next week we will be off or
01:04:17
maybe, I don't know if we feel compelled to do maybe a Thursday
01:04:20
night episode because the state of the state came out.
01:04:23
So maybe we do the state of the state on Thursday and we talk
01:04:25
about it then. But regardless, Tuesday night
01:04:28
next week there will be no live show, but we'll let you know if
01:04:30
it moves to Thursday. I think that's basically it for
01:04:35
the show. So for all those who tuned in
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So if you give us a great review, like a five star review,
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that helps push us up in the audio rankings for Spotify
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audio, Apple, Google, all that stuff and all those who show up
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on YouTube, make sure you like share, subscribe, subscriber has
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been crazy. It's great to see the growth on
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YouTube. We were like at 2023 hundred at
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the beginning of June and now it's up to over 12.
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So it's just been like gangbusters.
01:05:17
It's been a lot of fun, especially with the
01:05:20
gubernatorial election coming up next year.
01:05:22
So we're going to have a lot of stuff going on.
01:05:24
All right, with that said, make sure I already said told you to
01:05:27
make sure you like share, subscribe, review and all that
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stuff. If you want to support the show
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that is 100% free, you can share it with somebody else.
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If you want to support the show by buying a nice mug that says,
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you know, political affiliation, Democrat, Republican, tear it
01:05:41
all down, start all over. That's become sort of our motto.
01:05:45
I. Just want to say real quick,
01:05:46
follow California to ground on Instagram as well because that's
01:05:50
where he makes most of the announcements and polls and
01:05:53
stuff. And Camille.
01:05:56
And Camille's also on Instagram, so following our usernames are
01:05:59
right here on the side, so make sure you follow us there.
01:06:02
Yeah, we're very active on. There Yeah, we post a lot of
01:06:05
news we. Post our thoughts and stuff like
01:06:06
that throughout the week, like keeping you updated and stuff
01:06:08
like that. So and on X, we're on X2.
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So with that said, I guess we'll see you on the next one later.