On this episode I sit down and chat with Tamika Hamilton who is a Republican who is running for California's Third Congressional District. She ran in 2020 and came very close to unseating the Democrat incumbent in a race that no one expected to be as close as it was.
We discuss her reasons for running as well as the lessons she has learned as a Republican making in roads in California.
To read more about Tamika as well as support her race, go to www.votetamika.org.
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If you're a California, conservative a Libertarian, a
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moderate Democrat. Believe in common sense or just
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the same person. This is the political podcast
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for you. It's the California underground
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podcast. Alright, welcome back to another
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episode of California in the ground.
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I'm your host. Bill today, I have a very
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special guest someone who I look up to.
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As a great political mine in California, I get a lot of great
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ideas, a lot of great information from her, and she
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also happens to be running for congress Tomika Hamilton.
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Running for the third congressional district here in
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California, Tomika. How are you?
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I'm well, thank you for having me on, so I really appreciate
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it, no problem. So I guess we'll we'll jump
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right into it and get started with a little bit of like
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introduction about your background leading up to what
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kind of inspired you to run for Congress.
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Okay, yeah. So I have no, I had a political
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background. I wasn't recruited.
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Like there's some people that could get into this never
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recruited. And they go to school and do all
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this training. I actually was just sitting at a
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kitchen table with my friends, almost four years ago now. we
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were just talking about everything that was happening
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here in California and how we wanted to get involved in do
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something and And my thing was just like, you know, we have
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just, you know, go to the City Council meetings and you know,
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do all the things from a local level to see what what we could
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do. And I did not see in my heart, I
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was just like I just don't see how I can be effective here, not
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saying that I couldn't be but I just did not see how I could
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have been affected that and that level is just so much going on
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and I can get into that another day or another time we talk.
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But and my friends were like, To begin.
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You need to go to Congress and I was like, no, I was like, oh my
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gosh and then it clicked and I try to ignore it for like six
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months because I was still doing like the town hall staff.
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I was still because we were like this.
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Northern California is very robust, it's like people are
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involved, you know, and they go to these meetings and it's
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packed and but I just didn't feel like that was the right
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spot for me. So I just started making phone
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calls to because I said, okay I need some wisdom.
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I don't even know where to begin and so I Did looking for
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Republican clubs and that's how I found out about Central
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committee's and every city every district has a Central Committee
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and some districts have one because they have one County.
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I have eight because of eight Counties have Solano, YOLO,
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Yuba, Lakeland set of Kaluza, and a sliver of West Sacramento.
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And so I had to travel around this district and I put miles of
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my card after two years were after the two years was and
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getting to know the people going to every single shindig you
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could ever think of five people in a room, it's still five
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people in the room and those five.
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People can tell five people, but it wasn't something that I
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thought. I literally went into this just
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with with, with my eyes just like, oh my gosh, like I didn't
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know it was going to be like this.
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I thought it was going to be totally different and I thought
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it was going to be like the thing where, you know, I was
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immediately like brought into the fold and and it didn't
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happen like that. It was very much like, your cut.
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I was a Outsider coming in to something that was already
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established, but I didn't quit and they after six months, they
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could ignore me because I said I'm going to run anyway.
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So either going to hell. You're going to just do it on my
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own and that's kind of how it took off.
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I And I you know and again like I said I can't I come from
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nothing, you know, my family is from Maryland, I got stationed
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out here almost ten years ago, my husband's a police officer
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and so we just we were just regular people, no social media.
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I tell my friends, all that, that all the time.
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It's like I had no social media. I was totally fine with being,
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you know, Anonymous until so I go to see Jesus but we got into
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this because of our children and you know, our community of
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loving our community and obviously from a veteran
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standpoint Being a For What, and I have been in for 18 years and
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reserves now, but I was in for 14 years, active duty, and
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there's just so many things that are happening, that I just could
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ignore the call to get involved. Great.
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All right, so this is your second time running talk a
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little bit about your first race.
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How close you got to your first race?
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And then we can kind of do some springboarding off of there.
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Hm. So my first race.
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It was. Oh my gosh, it will have to
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think. How do I begin with this?
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So I think people see the glitz and glamour of races especially
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now that my experience is like, whoa, like I was on dirt roads,
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going to like I said going to be people at wherever they were,
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you know, people's houses and you know late night fundraising.
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I mean going three hours away some of that, some areas of my
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district are literally three hours.
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Hours away. And one of the things that I
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like to educate people on is that in order for you to make a
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difference in your community, and if you are Republican, you
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want to see changes as you have to get involved in your local
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Central Committee. There's a vetting process in the
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primary, for example, I had to I was there was other than other
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Republicans but when it came down to the very, you know, very
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end of it, I there was just meet another gentleman in the primary
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this is last cycle and we had Up for a all of us, had to go up
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for a vote. Peter had to go for a vote with
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each Central Committee, and this committee consists of could be
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five. People could be 10 people.
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You have a, what, somewhat, you have a chair Vice chair.
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You have all your committee members represented and they
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have to vote to say, to say, if you're going to be able to get a
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endorsement from the state. And so here, well, this is in
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California. I can't speak for other state if
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you get 80% of your District. Then you get the state
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endorsement and this is something we're again.
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If you're involved, then you are essentially helping to pick the
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candidate, the best candidate go forward.
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I went through a hellish process because I did not have I wasn't?
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I didn't have a lot of money and so well, I had support, you
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know, from Grassroots, you know, this other guy had like five
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hundred thousand dollars. He had all this, you know,
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social media following all that. And so there was a lot of
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tension because they That is like, oh well she doesn't have
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the money. Then, there were some people
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that thought that because she didn't have the money, then I
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wouldn't be able to advance and get close together.
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Well, my endorsement did not make the cut to be able to be on
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any of the paperwork, excuse me, that paper, but mail that goes
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out to the state and throughout the state to all Republicans.
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And so I miss that cut off. But we still won the Primary
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almost two times the vote even though he put out, like, six
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mail. Dollars.
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And how why? That is so significant is
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because I put in so much work, the whole year prior to him
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coming in, on the back end. And so a lot of people think
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that everything while you need money, money is so desperately
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needed and racist. It's not 100% everything all the
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time. Because I'm too, I'll tell you
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right now. Like, in order for me to win
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against care, many, I'm going to need another.
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I'm gonna need a million dollars.
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But for my first run, my first primary, I beat a guy that had
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half a million dollars to my fifty thousand dollars.
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And and it was it was one of the hardest things I've ever had to
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do. Because, you know, your your
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base, your Avail yourself to people.
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That don't know. You, you're telling your whole
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life to people that could probably care less.
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I just want to know what they're going to do for them.
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And, you know, Putting your family out there all those
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things and this is not like a what was me is just like these
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are things, you have to work through mentally and then on top
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of that you got to raise the money.
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All these pressures from people that you need their endorsement
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from. I will tell you that the one
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person that did not give me any drama for the endorsement with
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Kevin Kylie. He adores me.
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The first time I met him, he did not hesitate.
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He's been behind me since day one.
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Now in the in the last election, with this one, I only had a few
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team members and people that took no pay to help me when you
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could really. I mean races could cost The
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Graces cost a lot of money. And there I have not known
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anyone to any candidate to have people work for free and I just
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was very, very fortunate, very blessed to have that.
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I'm trying to think. When it came down to the general
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election, it was really, really, really close as You talked about
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before I received 45.3% of the boat and unfortunately, I didn't
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win but that was the closest anyone's ever gotten almost a
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decade. But the problem with everything
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that's happening with elections, you know, people automatically
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assumed that it was because of fraud.
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But we did hand count. You know, every County did a
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hand count, and these are things that I wish that more people
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would talk about. So they would so that people
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have a better understanding. Like everything is not election
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fraud, I just did not have enough money.
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I literally every person we were able to touch financially like
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through mail, peer-to-peer door-to-door, those kinds of
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things like phone calls. We touch a close to over like
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150 people and we got less than 2%, knows where the data
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came back. Now, can you imagine if we had
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another hundred thousand dollars to be able to send mail, make
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phone calls, do the door to door, we've been able to capture
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those 30 people. If we only have a, you know, 2%
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rate coming back saying, no, that's what you know.
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So, 2020 was such a great learning experience. you know, I
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realize like, you know, this district is only 29 percent of
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registered Republicans and I took a chunk of Democrats and
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chunk of independent. And one thing I always tell
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people, you have talked about this before, it's just like
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people just want reasonable people.
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I never changed my stances. I never coward to any woke
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messaging or anything like that. It was literally just talking
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about the issues that bother us all, you know, like keeping us
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laid up up late at night, how take care of families, be taxes.
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Those just simple issues are the things that I discussed and I
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got so many people to just come I say Side and also my new face.
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And you know, this is a district that has two military bases.
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I military, you know, law enforcement support Farmers.
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I was raised by farmers who also veterans and so I really I
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literally it just felt like you know I didn't know any of these
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things when I first kid got it I just was like I'm going to run
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but I fit the district so there was a lot of things that just
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made people feel comfortable with supporting me.
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Now we've gone from a staff of like 32 Assassin of the staff of
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10. Again still people making
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sacrifices to support this race, a great consultant, great
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Chiefs. You know, people that have been
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in this thing for 15, 20 years that are doing this because I
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really believe that I can win. And, you know, we and now And
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hold up. I do want to do this one thing
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less I go we raised four hundred thousand dollars and then just
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last the last quarter quarter to ended June 30th and we raised a
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hundred thousand dollars just in one quarter.
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So people are energized ready to do this.
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And so I spent about 30 hours on the phone every week.
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We have a great fundraiser that all the things I didn't have
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last time I have this time because we didn't have a
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fundraiser. We didn't have, you know,
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certain programs. We did do digital out because I
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let stuff costs. Money, but now we're able to do
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that. Great.
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A quick question is the guy you were facing more of like an
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establishment guy? Like he was already an Insider
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and you're coming in as an outsider in the primary.
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So he it's a couple of things. So he was not from this District
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at all. He never lived here.
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He didn't have any ties. Here, he was from a church.
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That was it, that was like three hours away.
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So it's inside was the church party had, you know, ties
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politically, and so that was his end.
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He tried to Market himself as an outsider big butt, and he was
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because he didn't live here, but but he he was a He just wasn't
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the right fit for the district. As well.
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Say, okay. So I think this is a good point
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to springboard into a good topic.
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That is important to talk about one that I always respect your
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Insight that I hear from you about how it is to make inroads
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as a republican in California because we've gone back and
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forth about how it's really, it's more about touching the
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voters, the issues that Matter to them getting that message to
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them. And they may just say, well, I
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don't care if you're a Republican or Democrat, I just
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want these issues taken care of. So what are some things, you've
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learned in your last race and so far that you've made so much
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Headway that is that are good lessons for maybe other
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California Republicans to hear and and take with them out there
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when they're racing. Yeah, when they're raised.
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So one of the things is I don't make people feel small or
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wanting to be a Rat or or independent, you know, people
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don't people like a lot of Democrats that I've come across
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a Democrats because of social standpoint.
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As socially that social justice is important to them and Social
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Justice Means different things to different.
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You know two people it's not all of its not all books that fits
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like the death penalty or you know, The feeling like there is,
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institutional races are systemic racism, those kinds of things
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like or feeling like there's Injustice in just a minute
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already communities, and that's what care about, that's a single
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issue and that's what their focus is.
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But For the other thing is that I don't I did not, I did not
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ride Trump's coattails. I just stuck to being a
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fundamental reasonable Republican and I was I've been
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an Air Force for 18 years and I've turned up served under
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four. No three president yeah three
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presidents and we respect them all you know and I just never
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was like I look at him he's a man, right?
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And one of the things that is so striking here in Nia is that,
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and this is something that helped me all the time is that
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you have to let candidates be who they are because every
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candidate not, every candidates message is going to be right for
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each district or each Community or whatever.
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And so what I would say is that when in California, you we love
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Trump all day long but does that?
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Is that going to translate that going to be a message?
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I can go to my district know just not You got to stick to the
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person that's in front of you because I've been I've met
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Republicans in my 30 hours every week.
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I kid you not that could care less about Trump that which, you
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know, they're just like a republican, but I vote Democrat,
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just because of them and it's like, that's a hard thing for
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people to hear. It's hard for me to hear because
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I'm like, oh gosh, you know. But, you know, it's so what I
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did was I instead of me trying to focus on him because that's
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something that comes up a lot, because the news I literally
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just focus on me. I said, look, I'm going to be
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here, be on, whoever's President, we respect our
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president, I'm not going to talk trash about a president, even
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you know, in regards to how I feel.
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And we're just going to focus on the fact that I'm going to be
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here beyond that. And and if you don't agree with
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me on 100% of the things than degrees Beyond 60, agree with me
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on half and then the other thing is I also say is like, is your
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life any better? It's in our lives are not any
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better here in California, the past 10 years and so I just
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didn't like the really hard just going straight for Heart and
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just saying, like, is your life, any better, what can we do to
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make that make a difference, okay?
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You don't like this person or you don't like this policy, but
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you like five other things, you know, and you like me.
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So then just take a chance because it's only two years.
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And so I just go with that and I don't give up and went to talk
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to some Democrats on the phone. I've had people hang up on me
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and I call them back. Actually, have two people hang
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up on me. I called them back and they said
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they're going to go through just because I called him back, you
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know, like that there are people that want to know.
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Know that someone's going to fight for their boat and we're
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so much more on the same page than we are apart.
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And I think that's the part that's missing and people feel
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like everybody is a reasonable on each side.
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So anyway, I don't be long winded but I just really feel
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like there's so many different things that that can be done.
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But the biggest thing is it just be?
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You don't don't get caught up in the small thing and And don't
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make people feel small you know it's just people have the
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different reasons why they are the way they are.
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But we just want to vote, we want to win, so just focus on
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that. Yeah, that's always something
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like, I feel when you it's always tough getting past that
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initial push back of. She's your Republican, okay?
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You must be a Trumpeter or you must be a MAG a person or
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something like that, but it's almost like you have to get past
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that initial cognitive dissonance of, I don't want to
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agree with you and then you get to the other side of it where
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they say okay well I kind of like some of your, you know, we
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agree on some of these things. Things.
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I think there's a lot of things so I think Republicans need to
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get better at focusing in on those aspects that the kitchen
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table politics like we were saying before focusing on those
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kitchen table politics and kind of push all that other drama out
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of the way just because people put up their walls and they get
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so guarded especially when it comes to Trump.
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And I've said this before on lives that Trump is I think he's
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toxic in California for any Republican.
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I know some people don't like to hear that, but it's true.
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I think Trump is toxic and I think it's better to just focus
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on the, real issues, the kitchen table issues.
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So, speaking of issues, going back to your current race.
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Right now, what are some issues that you want to focus on when
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you get to Congress? And also I think maybe for the
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listeners describe your duties As a congresswoman as compared
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to a state legislature, like a state assemblyman or state
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senator and like, what's your focus as a congresswoman rather
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than here in the state capital? That's a good question.
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So, so first first policies water is a huge issue which you
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already know we're in a drought water.
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Storage has been something that has been asked before a couple
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of decades here in this, in this part of the district.
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And get too many. My opponent has said over the
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past 50 years, if that's something that they're going to
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be pressing and working towards. But I mean, just even last year
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when he was running against me, he said we're going to have it
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in 18 months. It has been 18 months and we
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still don't have water storage here in District 3.
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The other thing is school choice.
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I'm a big. Big big fan of school choice.
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I think that children should go to any school that they want to
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go to think that we should be having a competition when it
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comes to teach. Teachers.
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I'm just like any other thing, any other any other thing,
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they're getting our taxpayer dollars and they should be doing
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way more than with the what's happening right now.
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As you know, it's District 3 or not as you know because you know
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my district read very well but District 3 is in need of better
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schools and more opportunities and we don't have that right
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now. Private schools are booming and
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people looking for those homeschool options as well.
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And I know people on long wait list to try to just get into
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those things. I my husband being in law
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enforcement, one of the things I do want to talk about when I get
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to Congress and even obviously before is placed or form, I do
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believe that there are some things that we do need to
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change. And we need to, you know, we
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need to work on and I think that that shouldn't be a scary topic
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for anybody to discuss because we want to have good community
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relations with our police officers and my husband, you
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know, he's been doing this for two.
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I think we got sorry about that. Very, very so.
00:21:59
Police reform is something that I want to talk about.
00:22:00
I think that we, as Republicans could have hit harder on it last
00:22:05
year, especially when the Democrats shelved.
00:22:07
It and look at crime, has skyrocketed and then police
00:22:12
officers and police have been defunded in some areas and other
00:22:16
being refunded. And I think it's just a good
00:22:18
opportunity for Republicans to hit on these things.
00:22:20
That I feel like, man, like, what are they doing?
00:22:23
You know, I feel like there's no message, I feel like we don't
00:22:25
show a backbone and we're just scared.
00:22:29
And what's it? I'm not scared but as far as
00:22:31
from a leadership top down it's like but it's happening and you
00:22:35
know I also caution saying that because out of wouldn't want to
00:22:38
be in Kevin McCarthy shoes at all because he's trying to do a
00:22:40
lot of a lot of balancing that I cannot even imagine right now.
00:22:46
But the biggest thing is, you know, the water storage here is
00:22:49
critical. It's critical not just for
00:22:51
Northern California, but all the California, Veteran issues are
00:22:55
huge topic for me, obviously, because we have the highest
00:22:59
homeless population here in California and it shouldn't be.
00:23:04
So it's just shouldn't be like that and obviously with covid
00:23:08
heading. So, you know, dramatically here,
00:23:11
you know, we need to be able to find these people and to be able
00:23:15
to help them. So, and obviously, like I said
00:23:18
before, we got cut off, Place performance School choices like
00:23:21
those main issues. I think that Like this deeply
00:23:25
here in District 3 and I know affect us deeply in District 3
00:23:28
because those are the things that people come to me and talk
00:23:30
to me about all the time. When it comes to the Senate
00:23:36
States State Legislative work versus Congress, I'm allocating
00:23:41
for us to get money. I'm allocating for us to make
00:23:45
sure that the district gets as much money as it needs in order
00:23:48
for it to run smoothly. I think, you know, it is so
00:23:51
funny because, you know, there's some people that think like, you
00:23:52
know, if I'm in Congress that I have like this huge effect on
00:23:56
state politics and I and I can help influence by, you know,
00:24:01
endorsing people or Or giving money to candidates, those kinds
00:24:05
of things and then waited on certain issues.
00:24:09
But the biggest thing is making sure that we vote the right way.
00:24:14
So that like, for example, having a school choice policy
00:24:18
making that a federal thing, that's something that could help
00:24:21
all the California and I think that sometimes people get caught
00:24:27
up in wanting to like, thinking you're good.
00:24:29
As I can do something locally. It's like, I wish I could, but I
00:24:32
can't. You know, I can't wave a wand
00:24:34
but but but again that's why people need to get involved in
00:24:38
the Republican Party locally. Yeah, I think of it that's lost
00:24:42
in this idea. Like somebody says it's very
00:24:47
evident your you understand your role is a congresswoman in the
00:24:52
issues you can face or what, what impact you have as opposed
00:24:56
to people say, well, I have to vote for this Congress person
00:24:59
because they're going to change State politics and reality.
00:25:03
E, it's if you want to see stuff change such as the gas tax or
00:25:10
other issues here in California, it's not your congressperson.
00:25:17
It's who's up in Sacramento. Maybe lost her again.
00:25:25
I feel so bad. I felt I feel so bad.
00:25:28
I'm just sick. Don't blame it on the stick.
00:25:31
I need 5 G. Any all the towers?
00:25:33
That's it. But that's all right.
00:25:35
We can blame it on like Zuckerberg by somebody.
00:25:41
Is be a good time. If you have any questions for
00:25:43
Tamika, just put them in the chat.
00:25:46
There we go. Okay.
00:25:48
Yeah. Put them in the chat.
00:25:49
I just want to say that. Let's get some questions that's
00:25:51
going to help for go out again. Yeah, but you were saying I
00:25:55
thought about your final thought about state legislators and
00:25:59
state local politicians and how they had.
00:26:02
If you want to change things locally in California, we have
00:26:04
to start focusing on flipping a lot of those seats.
00:26:07
Here in California. Oh my gosh.
00:26:10
And all it takes is if people getting involved.
00:26:14
I mean, look, what, look, what was able to be done, just with
00:26:16
the recall alone. He imagine if that body, if
00:26:19
those, if that same effort was put into local politics, isn't
00:26:23
that would be tremendous, not nothing.
00:26:25
You got to recall ever since everything because everybody's
00:26:27
everybody's recall happy and trust me even here, but because
00:26:30
I don't think I don't think every recall is necessary.
00:26:33
I'm gonna just be honest. Like if you don't like something
00:26:36
you need to get involved, do I think every time you don't like
00:26:38
somebody should be recalling them, it just depends on
00:26:41
situation. But because it it's anyway,
00:26:44
that's a whole nother topic, but I think that if people just got
00:26:48
involved the same level, they did with this Governor's race,
00:26:51
then I will be, it will be with such a different place, such a
00:26:56
different place. Absolutely.
00:26:59
So let's hop into somebody got a question up in the chat.
00:27:03
I think you touched on this but if you want to try a little bit
00:27:04
more, how can conservatives improve the messaging to
00:27:08
Californians to show how corrupt our state government has gotten
00:27:15
Hmm. So again this goes back to how
00:27:20
well you know your neighbors. This goes back to how because
00:27:25
here's the thing you're where we're for were roughly. 55
00:27:29
million Republicans here in California, five million
00:27:31
Independence and nine million Democrat and it didn't just
00:27:37
happen overnight. Like none of the stuff happened
00:27:39
overnight so we have to talk to our neighbors and we and that's
00:27:44
where it all like. Literally, that's where it
00:27:46
begins. Like that's how I got into this.
00:27:48
I was talking to some friends and we were just like talking
00:27:51
about the issues. If people don't, if Democrats
00:27:56
don't see Republican their Community, they do not, they
00:27:59
take their mindset is about Community, their mindset is
00:28:02
about someone came and talked to me.
00:28:05
Someone gave me a piece of paper with this information or
00:28:08
somebody helped me from the party.
00:28:11
That is their bread and butter. That is the average voter of
00:28:14
Adam that the average Democrat voter.
00:28:16
If they don't see you, you don't care.
00:28:20
And then it, and, I mean, you already know that they already
00:28:22
look at us like like, oh, we're And we have all this money and
00:28:26
you know, where we don't care. We're cold.
00:28:30
So we have to get involved in an essay.
00:28:34
I don't want to beat a dead horse But to answer that
00:28:36
person's question. How much you can't go into a
00:28:40
neighborhood? You never been into and say
00:28:43
that, look what they've done you got to say, have you thought
00:28:46
about this person? Have you considered this person?
00:28:50
Because when you do that, then you're also accusing them of
00:28:52
picking a terrible. Person and nobody wants to in
00:28:56
nine times out of ten, know what's going to want to hear
00:28:57
that, they're going to want to hear what are my options because
00:29:01
it was side-by-side comparison or very something, something new
00:29:06
and then on top of that, you're forming a relationship.
00:29:09
That's how things that's how change is being made.
00:29:12
That's how change can be made because we did it here.
00:29:15
Yeah, everything I think is also important is going off your get
00:29:20
involved in the community is get involved in communities that are
00:29:23
not politically aligned with you.
00:29:27
Yes, I think that's important, that's what.
00:29:30
For example, the church I go to very Progressive sometimes they
00:29:37
let the, their Trump biased creep into some of their sermons
00:29:41
but for the most part, they're great people.
00:29:43
They've been like a great Each family to me, I love going
00:29:46
there. I look play music with them but
00:29:49
I think just being around people who disagree with you and then
00:29:52
saying like hey you know that's all guys, not a bad guy.
00:29:56
So maybe not all Republicans are like this or maybe not all
00:30:00
conservatives are like this, right?
00:30:02
Sometimes I think we get too focused on being in our silos
00:30:07
and our Echo Chambers or we just don't even want to be a part of
00:30:10
it in California, if that's the worst idea.
00:30:12
We should be getting out there. Yeah, you know, Paul.
00:30:15
And communities and being like, oh, you know, this guy's not
00:30:17
such a bad person or, you know, I think I like this to make a
00:30:21
Hamilton. She's got some good points about
00:30:23
how to make our state better. So and the other thing is paired
00:30:27
t-test like such how to make people pass appear to test.
00:30:31
You know, just Republicans do that a lot and they wonder why
00:30:35
they lose people to going back to Bay and they go to the
00:30:37
independent, you know party, you can't do that, you know.
00:30:42
Well, if we don't have to always agree, you know?
00:30:45
It's just it's a it's a it's a losing battle to want people to
00:30:49
jump through these hoops to make sure you 100% agree on
00:30:52
everything. And I think that and I've pasted
00:30:53
that because I try to look at both sides and obviously, I lean
00:30:59
conservative, you know, strong conservative.
00:31:01
But I also think that it's important to understand why
00:31:04
someone on the other side thinks the way they think so that when
00:31:07
I'm coming back for a vote, I can I can lean into that.
00:31:12
Like, I know why you think this way?
00:31:15
But guess what? This is in the better option.
00:31:18
So, that's just my absolutely. So, I got a bunch of questions
00:31:23
on Instagram if you'd like to go through a couple of them that
00:31:26
I've picked out. Let's say, first one would love
00:31:30
to know and just a disclaimer. This is not an endorsement
00:31:35
question. Who do you like for the recall?
00:31:38
And they said, tell her she's amazing by the way.
00:31:42
Oh, that's so sweet. I don't like anybody for the
00:31:46
Recall yet. I think it's early.
00:31:48
Anything could happen between now and September and I think we
00:31:53
should wait. I think the main thing we should
00:31:55
focus on is making sure people know that we can recall Gavin.
00:32:00
Newsom, I'll be honest with you. I didn't think the recovers
00:32:03
going to happen. I didn't but it happened and I
00:32:08
think that we could recall him. I Just don't know who could be
00:32:12
repeat his replacement right now. okay, a lot of people that
00:32:17
could jump in, There is. And there's, you know, two
00:32:21
months seems like a short time but in political world, it could
00:32:24
be a lifetime. What happens in two months?
00:32:27
Yeah. Somebody asked how do you
00:32:30
respond when people try to conflate January 6, / racism
00:32:35
with all Republicans? I always go to either, I don't
00:32:41
say anything and I just look because that usually stops
00:32:45
people in their tracks. I'll be honest without looking,
00:32:48
like really today. You're really, that's what you
00:32:51
want to do. Or I also talked about what
00:32:54
happened over the summer. What I'm going over this summer.
00:32:58
We businesses related. People lost everything.
00:33:05
And that was not just black people, not just white people,
00:33:08
it was people lost everything. It was a republican Democrat,
00:33:11
people lost everything, and January 6, was not the worst
00:33:15
thing that ever happened in history.
00:33:17
I don't even want to hear this nonsense, it happened, it's over
00:33:21
and I'm not going to get caught in this.
00:33:23
In this side. I'm not going to get caught up
00:33:25
like how to do this wants to put us into some in his trap so they
00:33:29
can continue to make money off of it because they have nothing
00:33:32
else better to talk about and I tell people all the time.
00:33:34
Time. It's like, it's ignorant to just
00:33:37
even argue with people about January 6th because they have
00:33:40
already with the answer, the question they already have a
00:33:42
made-up mind, that's how I look at it.
00:33:44
And so, I think it's best to just say we've moved on it
00:33:49
happened. I wish it didn't happen.
00:33:53
And You know, I think that moving forward if we want to
00:33:57
talk about January 6th and any capacity we should be also
00:34:00
talking about what happened over the summer.
00:34:02
But if you don't want to talk about what happened over the
00:34:03
summer and how people lost livelihoods, then I don't want
00:34:06
to talk about January 6th because I don't see anybody get
00:34:09
locked up from over the summer. I don't see any investigations
00:34:12
there so I don't want to talk about.
00:34:15
Anywhere you say, and I think that more Republicans should
00:34:17
just get up from the camera when they're being taunted by the
00:34:20
media, to say things about January 6 because it's just,
00:34:23
it's just a ratings thing if they don't care.
00:34:27
Sorry. Yeah I just I just think about
00:34:29
like all the people that lost so much that they'll never be able
00:34:32
to get back and lost livelihood because it didn't have
00:34:35
insurance. They just try to make it.
00:34:37
And even people that the Democrats claim they care about
00:34:40
immigrants law things that they'll never be able to get
00:34:43
back. And January, 6 is like a topic
00:34:47
of discussion. No, it's not.
00:34:49
Not from a media standpoint. I think it's a moot point.
00:34:52
Yeah. It's definitely one of those
00:34:54
2020. Is it interesting?
00:34:57
Cole, I meant between, especially here in California.
00:35:00
If you like between covid and what happened over the summer
00:35:04
here in San Diego Bank was burned down at one of the
00:35:11
protest. You know, there were businesses
00:35:14
here that were, it's just I think there was an interesting
00:35:18
political realignment of a lot of people who were comfortable,
00:35:21
may all the sudden have watched what's going on in the news.
00:35:26
Between the lockdowns with news of, and the riots, and so wait,
00:35:30
what's going on here? And there's this opportunity,
00:35:35
like you've been saying to tell people, hey, there's a good
00:35:39
option out there. There's another option out
00:35:42
there. Yeah, that if you're not happy
00:35:44
with the way things are, and I think this is a critical time.
00:35:47
If you're looking at political realignments.
00:35:49
Yeah, the Republicans and the GOP, especially California, GOP
00:35:52
to kind of jump at this opportunity because it may not
00:35:56
happen again. Then for another 20, 30 years.
00:35:59
So it this is really critical. And the Democrats just saw the
00:36:02
time to take advantage of a situation and they run with it.
00:36:06
I mean now the trying to pep now the trying to you know, bring
00:36:08
back the rhetoric, don't defend the police and try to blame it
00:36:12
on us, you know. So they they see They seized on
00:36:16
it and now they're trying to reel it back, you know?
00:36:18
So Republicans need to Take it. I don't want to take advantage
00:36:24
of sounds, like, it's just a sound, right?
00:36:26
But when they see an issue happening that is hurting
00:36:30
American people, they need to push.
00:36:32
It school choice is something that all families want.
00:36:36
Even if they don't even know, they exist, you know what I
00:36:39
mean? Like, there's some people that
00:36:40
did don't know that these opportunities are open and
00:36:43
Republicans. I feel like a fumbling.
00:36:45
So, but yeah. Okay, we can go to next question
00:36:49
cuz I could just go to another podcast about that, A whole
00:36:54
different. Let's see, got a whole bunch of
00:36:56
them here. What are you going to do to help
00:37:01
veterans where the state has failed?
00:37:04
Has text Semper Fidelis. so, My thing is that.
00:37:12
We're not rolling up. Sleeves up and getting dirty.
00:37:15
Meaning that There are so many groups that need to be kind of
00:37:19
ignited in a sense. Like there's, you know, local
00:37:22
chapters of Veteran groups that just need some support so they
00:37:26
can do things that they would love to do to help veterans.
00:37:29
And I think that we need again, this is all about Community
00:37:32
involvement and I'm only one person but I want to push all
00:37:38
these people to the Forefront so that they can have all the
00:37:40
things they need a used to be a stand down, for example, this is
00:37:44
a stand down. I don't know if you've seen
00:37:45
those when you're going to stop. And, but there were, they stop
00:37:49
to turn covid here, for instance, and all the military
00:37:53
that knew about it, or could be contacted communicated with,
00:37:57
they'll come to the stand down, get medical stuff updated.
00:37:59
And, you know, get shots and be taken care of, for a matter of
00:38:02
days, like three or four days, something like that.
00:38:04
I volunteered one time for it, and that's something that needs
00:38:09
to be done on a larger scale. And something, that's, that's
00:38:12
something that's really important to me, because I go to
00:38:14
Veterans homes. And I realized like, Wow,
00:38:17
sometimes people have been abandoned and if people in
00:38:21
nursing homes that are nursing homes are abandoned came majan.
00:38:23
How the people that just regular people feel that are here in
00:38:27
California struggling, you know. So anyway, my thing was like,
00:38:30
put to push groups on the Forefront that already wanting
00:38:33
to do things to help veterans but they don't have the means
00:38:36
because it costs money but they have a lot of time, you know,
00:38:40
there's a lot of retirees I have a lot of time and the other
00:38:43
thing is that when you get out of the military, like I was
00:38:45
active duty. Eighteen years and I got out.
00:38:48
Job placement is so huge when you get out and I want to make
00:38:50
sure that people have job placements.
00:38:53
Like they are not getting stuck and this like in the cycle of
00:38:57
applications like I think veterans should have priorities
00:39:00
in certain situations. I'm not saying that they should
00:39:03
just you know, get it any job at I believe in job training and
00:39:06
obviously you know doing those things.
00:39:08
But you know when they get out, they should have opportunities
00:39:11
waiting for them. And this should be in when I
00:39:14
was, you have to transition out and I don't be long winded, but
00:39:17
there's so many things that can be done to assist people when
00:39:19
they get out. So that they're not in a
00:39:21
position such as being homeless later on in life, the military
00:39:27
being a military member for this long.
00:39:29
I know that there's parts of me that I neglect just because you
00:39:31
just busted out, you just work really hard, but I want to
00:39:35
change that culture. And I want to show benefit, they
00:39:38
can take care of themselves and it's not this thing of like, oh
00:39:40
gosh, if I look out for myself, I'm being selfish.
00:39:43
And that's what a lot of military members can be
00:39:45
sometimes, mentally. And so, biggest thing is,
00:39:49
supporting local groups and having those stand down and
00:39:52
having them more robust and helping product placement for
00:39:56
helping for a faster job placements.
00:39:59
You know, people getting on-the-job training, the not
00:40:02
having to go through the to process and I think that's
00:40:04
important for veterans. Great next question.
00:40:11
So as is their hope to ever have an election integrity and you
00:40:15
touched upon this a little bit, but maybe you want to expand on
00:40:18
that because you've had experience, you know, being out
00:40:21
there on the ground. So you can say a first-hand look
00:40:24
of it. So I think people should go to
00:40:30
these meetings because when you go to these Republican meetings
00:40:34
are your essential committee meetings, they talk about mesh
00:40:37
integrity and talk about what they're doing election,
00:40:39
Integrity litter starts locally. It starts with knowing who
00:40:42
you're voting register's office, knowing them getting to know
00:40:46
them. You can actually know them.
00:40:48
Like you actually have meetings with them.
00:40:49
You can actually talk about chain of custody, all these
00:40:52
things are available to you. I would say like I said, in my
00:40:55
situation, We did the hand counts.
00:40:57
I simply didn't win because I didn't have enough felt tip and
00:41:04
my and on the Central Committee, the central committee's also
00:41:07
because I'm there's so many little things that can have that
00:41:10
you can do, but the central committee's, you know, petition
00:41:13
to get those hand counts. And if you're on a Central
00:41:16
Committee, there's so many people that Jill made and it's
00:41:19
so many organizations that you'll get involved in the take
00:41:23
you down. Those other trails to you find
00:41:25
out like, oh my God. Say there's a, there's a pathway
00:41:29
for me to understand elections better and it's not something
00:41:33
that's like this. It's not like this, like, like
00:41:36
we're not feel like people feel like there's no hope but it's no
00:41:40
help because you're not in the game to know what to do, what to
00:41:42
do. It's really simple.
00:41:45
Get involved, volunteer, you can.
00:41:48
And people say well Republicans Democrats don't have a job.
00:41:51
I hear that so many times, I just like, shut off and I'm
00:41:55
like, no. No, no Democrats actually take
00:41:57
the time and if you if you look at some states, actually pay
00:42:01
people to count votes. How would you volunteer?
00:42:05
You know, it's just being there in the room, count being there
00:42:08
for chain of custody counts. When they take those votes to
00:42:11
different priest, when they picked those votes up distance
00:42:13
to actual driver's, you could be a driver, like it's a damn job.
00:42:18
People need to get involved is and I feel like any other thing
00:42:22
is and I'll say this and I'll shut up and I'll take the next
00:42:25
question, but So just because there are a lot of Republicans
00:42:30
in the area, does not mean all Republicans vote, Sonoma, and I
00:42:34
don't want to misquote. I think it was 2016 8 thousand
00:42:38
Republican state home sale, They did not hope.
00:42:44
And they said that when they when they came back like why
00:42:48
didn't vote Trump was just going to win?
00:42:51
We didn't need to go out or I was busy.
00:42:56
These are Republicans, I didn't think he was gonna win anyway.
00:43:00
Just because you had just because, you know a republican.
00:43:03
Does that mean that Republican voted?
00:43:05
You know? So it's like so that's why kills
00:43:08
me sometimes? Because like, there's so many
00:43:10
different scenarios that are about that involved in lecture
00:43:14
Integrity. But the main thing is for people
00:43:17
to get involved, this is not something that you need to be in
00:43:19
the dark about So okay, I'll get off my soapbox.
00:43:24
Yeah. And just to add to that as
00:43:26
someone who's volunteered as a republican.
00:43:29
Attorney here in California and I was in Arizona in 2020.
00:43:35
There's plenty of opportunities. They're always looking for
00:43:37
people. So if you want to be with your
00:43:41
own eyes and, and be there on the ground and say, I was there
00:43:45
to help protect the vote, there's plenty of opportunities
00:43:49
to go to the Republican party here and say, I want to help
00:43:51
with election integrity and they'll give you a job.
00:43:55
So yeah they will it's the the most Central committees are the
00:44:00
Aging out. They don't have people our age
00:44:04
you know our age range and a lot of them and so they need that
00:44:09
help and so I mean not all Central committee's are like
00:44:12
down south where this robust and you have all these events like
00:44:15
here Northern California, they need help, they do but okay, go
00:44:20
ahead. Good, what's your next question?
00:44:22
Okay, this next president, I don't know, I probably should
00:44:26
have done a little bit more background.
00:44:27
Somebody asked why is West Point teaching critical race Theory?
00:44:31
They asked? Are we doomed?
00:44:33
So I don't know if they actually are teaching critical race
00:44:36
Theory. But if you want, maybe touch
00:44:41
upon critical race Theory and what you would do in congress
00:44:45
with critical race Theory. So I don't, I don't think that
00:44:49
we should be teaching division at any any point in time and
00:44:54
then using a nice little fluffy term called critical race
00:44:56
Theory. Anything like that to say Why
00:45:02
people are better. You know let's talk about
00:45:05
something that happened when we weren't even here.
00:45:07
It's just a it's a it's just literally another way to keep us
00:45:11
divided and I don't believe in it and it's something that
00:45:14
obviously when I get in the Congress, I'll be fighting
00:45:16
against it. I don't think we're doomed.
00:45:19
I don't believe in Doom and Gloom messaging, and I feel so
00:45:21
bad that and I probably should do more videos or something like
00:45:26
that, but you already know how I feel about videos but um I just
00:45:30
we're not doomed like what? Just not doing.
00:45:33
We just Right now. A lot of people thought that
00:45:38
Trump was going to win. and he didn't, and and it's gotten
00:45:46
people to feel like, well, what's happening.
00:45:49
And I think that, if we, if I like I said 2016, 8 thousand,
00:45:54
people stayed home It is not the end of the world that Trump is
00:45:57
not in the white house. Right now, this is an
00:46:00
opportunity for us to fight back and fight hard.
00:46:03
This is not this. I think that a lot of people And
00:46:07
I can only speak for the people that are new and is trying to
00:46:10
understand like their role of what they can do.
00:46:14
It's like so many new people are in this and they're just like
00:46:16
taking grabbing headlines, but they're not doing the research.
00:46:19
And so, they feel like this is the end when really, we've been
00:46:24
in these situations before. But what if we do, we we sat
00:46:29
back. Republicans, sit back
00:46:32
collectively. Republican sit back, you know,
00:46:35
delicious. It is delicious, too.
00:46:36
I said this this week and this is something I talk about all
00:46:39
the time and he said, he was like, Republicans cannot afford
00:46:42
to sit back and more this greater good stuff has to stop.
00:46:47
No, it's not that animal hair said this the other day, they're
00:46:51
not. Well, and that the other day,
00:46:52
but she said this last year that they're not going to stop there.
00:46:56
Not so what do we need to do? We need to, we need to go and
00:46:59
push back and not this thing where we're just were bottling
00:47:03
every single thing I did. You know, we need to get in and
00:47:06
work face. The aprons and took her 10 years
00:47:09
but she flipped Georgia. She didn't stop.
00:47:13
And it is like I I just and I'm not getting on the person about,
00:47:19
you know, I just think like, man, I hear Doom and Gloom all
00:47:22
the time, and I'm thinking we've been here now, it's opportunity
00:47:25
to act, sorry. No, I agree and I think I always
00:47:31
give them credit. I always say, Democrats are
00:47:33
always on offense. I feel like Republicans are
00:47:34
always on defense every election cycle.
00:47:37
We're kind of like it's like a sigh of relief, that Texas,
00:47:41
didn't turn blue. It's always like, oh well we
00:47:43
held on to this state for one more cycle and then it but the
00:47:47
margin keeps shrinking and shrinking and sure.
00:47:49
Yeah. Whatever your opinion about
00:47:51
Stacey Abrams, is she got out there and did it, you know, she
00:47:54
registered voters she was on the ground up.
00:47:58
Supposedly, that's what Pritchard Grinnell wants to do
00:48:00
here. I haven't seen it yet but I'd
00:48:02
love it. If you did the same thing here
00:48:05
costs, it costs a lot of money and that's why volunteers are
00:48:08
needed. It costs so much money.
00:48:11
Yeah, so if people want to get involved and, you know, push
00:48:14
back or fight back or try and save the state volunteer,
00:48:17
there's plenty of volunteer opportunities to get out there
00:48:19
and people always need help. So, to give everyone an idea of
00:48:26
of like how long it took to get you on this podcast?
00:48:29
I think I asked you like over a year ago and I don't know if you
00:48:34
remember, but this was probably when I was just a little little
00:48:37
nobody that no one even cared about.
00:48:40
I'd asked you I just yeah, well, I was a, I was a little guy that
00:48:45
nobody couple people tuned into. I asked you for this pamphlet
00:48:52
from the 1996 ethnic Summit, the California GOP, Yeah.
00:48:59
Yeah, you had posted about it on this, you did.
00:49:05
Yeah. You did send it to me.
00:49:07
So, because I was looking for your email and I found it.
00:49:10
I said, oh man, this is from, like, I think it's like, October
00:49:13
20, 20 or something. I'm so glad to sit.
00:49:17
Sit I get so many do, but the real, the real question, I think
00:49:24
we can, we can end this ended on this question.
00:49:28
This pamphlet basically back in 1996, had gone through how the
00:49:34
California GOP was not prepared to really reach out to minority
00:49:38
communities, here, in California, and the paper
00:49:41
basically warned. It's a like, hey, if you don't
00:49:44
pay attention to this and start building a message to bring
00:49:49
minorities into the California, Republican party, you're going
00:49:52
to we're going to get clobbered in the future.
00:49:55
It kind of it's basically come true now.
00:49:57
So Yeah. Remember that paper if you have
00:50:00
a comment I do. I do.
00:50:02
I do it. Is it is like, it's if I could
00:50:07
frame it I would frame it and this is and I actually got this
00:50:10
from one of my mentors. Again, the, you know, It's it's
00:50:19
like it's like you said. It's something that's like the
00:50:22
writing on the wall is you saw it like you.
00:50:24
The paper will literally set it and it did it.
00:50:26
It did exactly what it said, it was going to do this, the, the
00:50:30
machine system, all of that, I want people to understand that.
00:50:38
When you're wanting to win a race.
00:50:41
You got to look at numbers? And, but I did not know.
00:50:46
I did not know the number, some be honest with you.
00:50:48
When I first started, I didn't know the numbers but now that I
00:50:50
know, I know that the college has Grace on me, but you gotta
00:50:55
know your numbers and when people say, oh, we should, we
00:50:58
just abandon the city. She was just a bit of City,
00:51:01
Phil? No, we're not saying abandon the
00:51:03
city, but one candidate in a blue blue.
00:51:07
Blue district is not going to be able to turn that District.
00:51:12
In a year, a cycle two cycles threesome it is going to take a
00:51:17
safety Abram type of momentum to do it.
00:51:20
It's going to cost a million could drop right now.
00:51:23
I could drop a million. I mean, not a million.
00:51:26
A hundred million dollars into a deep blue City districts gives
00:51:30
me, and I would not win. I wouldn't win.
00:51:33
Why? Because you cannot change.
00:51:35
Someone's ideology in a cycle. You just can't.
00:51:40
It's not even In like, it's not up for debate.
00:51:46
We're talking about registration numbers now, We're and and no
00:51:53
one that's on the California GOP.
00:51:55
Today is was there in 1996 so they're trying to make those
00:52:00
strides but it's hard because you need the money, you need the
00:52:04
money to do it. I need about 2 million dollars
00:52:06
to win my race. You know it we're well on our
00:52:10
way to do that, but it's going to take so much, you know, I
00:52:14
can't, I cannot stress enough like and people will say, well
00:52:16
what do you need a million dollars for male alone?
00:52:20
Is hundreds of thousands of dollars and that's why I, when
00:52:23
people talk about the governor's race, I'm like, unless I get a
00:52:27
phone call, you're not real. Unless I start seeing some mail,
00:52:31
you're not real. Are you connecting with four
00:52:33
million? Republican No, they're not.
00:52:38
That's why I said like and like John Cox, his War chest is
00:52:43
insane. And he's sitting on male he
00:52:46
said, now he's doing phone calls, I'm not sure he's not my,
00:52:49
you know, I don't know him. I don't know what he stands for.
00:52:51
I know he's a republican, so, I'm just using him as an example
00:52:54
because he's the name I do right now, you know, behind Kevin,
00:52:58
Faulkner and others. But You know, it's so it's a,
00:53:04
it's an animal that if people that just start getting involved
00:53:09
locally, we would not have this problem and like you and like
00:53:12
you expressing the letter. Maybe we need to post that
00:53:14
somewhere. I don't know, maybe a postcard
00:53:16
website or maybe you could post it somewhere, but it's detailing
00:53:19
how we lost in Las Vegas and slowly immigrant are thinking
00:53:26
like, oh gosh, we need to get on board and fix this.
00:53:29
Because you see what? Happened to lower parts of
00:53:32
Texas, this year the cycle so far or the big like second half
00:53:35
of this year so far. It was good.
00:53:38
It's going to be a long ride for California's for sure.
00:53:42
Yeah, yeah, I know, I understand that there's always better
00:53:46
places to spend your resources, but I always get this idea of.
00:53:52
Like, if you could catch Democrats and California off
00:53:56
guard, if there's actually an effort in California, and it
00:54:02
seems like there's just, there's just no effort.
00:54:04
It just seems like they're like, it's California.
00:54:06
It's kooky and crazy. We're just going to write it
00:54:09
off, but what do? I mean, from state or federal.
00:54:15
From like, maybe like a national party strategy of like, maybe we
00:54:20
need to focus on these races and I know they are focusing on some
00:54:25
races. I think they're focusing on your
00:54:27
race as well, but things could change if we went on offense and
00:54:33
kind of follow the Democrat model of like, maybe it's not
00:54:37
plausible right now, but in 5 to 10 years, maybe California could
00:54:41
be a purple state if we just pushed a little harder.
00:54:44
And we're a little little bit more strategic.
00:54:47
So the one I do agree that we could be you know we could get
00:54:51
some more money here and be more aggressive.
00:54:54
One of the things that I also think about just from my own
00:54:59
situation is viability. You have to have a good
00:55:02
candidate you just say Publican is just not enough and that's
00:55:08
something that I know you know just saying Republicans not
00:55:11
enough saying, you're on our side is not enough.
00:55:16
You have to have good people that are willing to take the
00:55:19
shot. And right now, it's in, this is
00:55:24
something that I tell people all the time, if you want to get
00:55:27
support. Give it a second.
00:55:32
Okay, here, come here. All right, here we go, along
00:55:36
with it. But this is something that this
00:55:39
is something that I changed my mind on after I learned and then
00:55:44
and then I'll leave it at this is that either beginning I felt
00:55:47
like oh my gosh, I'm like this great candidate and you know, I
00:55:50
got all these things, you know, I you know, check all these
00:55:53
boxes. I had to show I could fight.
00:55:57
I had to show that I could put in the work and now we are a
00:56:01
race that is targeted to win next cycle and it's not as
00:56:08
simple as just thinking. Like this new person is just
00:56:11
good you know you have there's so many people that want to jump
00:56:14
and raises like my I'm the first Republican to ever run against
00:56:18
this candidate twice. So you having people that have
00:56:21
raised millions of dollars over you know, The course of time and
00:56:25
just bring one time. That's not okay.
00:56:29
So it's like you got to stay in this although my baby so give
00:56:35
her a hug. Oh, so I think like, the biggest
00:56:38
thing is that to understand that when you're running and you won
00:56:41
national support, you also have to have the right formula and
00:56:46
that includes a good person that's going to really bust
00:56:49
their ads. You think it's a family show and
00:56:53
I think that's kind Lost in the minds of people because there
00:56:57
was no just gonna Republican there and like no, it's not that
00:57:00
simple. I agree completely.
00:57:03
I think that I think that's a great place to end on.
00:57:07
I wholeheartedly believe you're one of the good ones and I
00:57:12
always tell everybody go follow you especially right now, go
00:57:16
support to Mica, it's vote Tomika dot-org.
00:57:20
If you want to support her and donate to the campaign spread.
00:57:24
The word about her get other people to support our.
00:57:28
I always hope more Republican candidates here your wisdom and
00:57:32
it's applied. So this was a great
00:57:35
conversation. Hopefully, we can have you
00:57:37
account on again sometime. Yes.
00:57:40
Anything for you. Phil come back.
00:57:42
Great, thanks Tomika. So that's it for this show.
00:57:46
As always Wednesday morning 9:00 a.m. coffee and California
00:57:49
politics. This audio will be out tomorrow
00:57:52
and thanks everyone for hopping on thanks again.
00:57:54
To make it Thank you. Sorry about my service.
00:57:58
I'm in the country. And it's like, when is it crazy?
00:58:01
That's what makes it even more raw in live.
00:58:03
Right, right. I owe you guys have a great.
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