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On this episode, Camille and I watch an interview with Governor Newsom and Chuck Todd on Meet the Press and dissect his points as well as fact check some of his claims. We also discuss whether he really means it when he says he is not planning on running for President.
This episode was recorded on 9.20.23
Links Mentioned in Show
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/kamala_harris_favorableunfavorable-6690.html
https://www.cato.org/commentary/no-california-not-worlds-fourth-largest-economy
https://www.thecentersquare.com/florida/article_67aeebc1-e7be-5f72-8e51-48706a7c0728.html
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basically running the podcast at this point.
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I just show up and smile and try to look pretty.
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Absolutely. But without further ado, should
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we dive into Gavin Newsom doing? I guess this was Chuck Todd's
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last show on Meet the Press. It was a big deal that he did
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this interview with Chuck Todd I I.
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And I'm not sad that Chuck Todd is gone.
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Do you? Are you sad Chuck Todd is no
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longer on TV? He's no longer doing Meet the
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Press. You know he can.
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They can. All these people can do what
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they want. Like who are we to gatekeep of
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who can do this and who can't? But the one thing I'm
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continuously disappointed in is that these big shows, they just
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sit there and answer soft questions and then when?
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The interviewee doesn't really answer the question and kind of
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beats around the Bush with the question.
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They'll be like, oh, I understand, I understand.
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Or absolutely. And they like, sit there and
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just agree with them and then move on to the next thing.
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And I'm like, no, no, pound them, ask the hard questions and
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get the answers out of them or make them like, you know, sweat
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and be like, I don't want to answer that.
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I don't want to answer that. But don't just be like, OK,
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we'll just move on and like, love your shirt, nice hair.
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Stop it. Stop it.
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Yeah, and this was definitely, I mean, he has some tough
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questions. He pushed a little bit on the
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COVID stuff. He pushed a little bit.
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But I I watched through the whole, the whole thing.
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The last third of it was basically like just two gals
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chatting away, just giggling and laughing like 2 little
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schoolgirls like. Oh.
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My God, like, so you love doing this and you love doing that.
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And Oh my gosh, you're so amazing as how.
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How women are so how girls are? I imagine that's that's that's
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schoolgirls gabbing away, just having a grand old time.
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No offense to schoolgirls comparing him to Gavin Newsom
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and Chuck Todd, but yeah, the softball questions at the end,
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by the time I got there, I was like, there's he's just giving
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him softball questions and ending on a fluffy note.
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So. With that, with that said, we'll
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just dive right in and we'll kind of pause and give our
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feedback and fact checks as we go along.
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And if you're in the chat, let us know your feelings about
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what's happening and away we go. Let's do this.
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Good to be back. Good to be with you.
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I. Appreciate it.
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Let me start. It was about a year ago where
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right after the Dobbs decision. You very publicly, and I'll
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quote you like, where's my party?
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Where's the Democratic Party? We're a year later.
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Do you have that same sort of lack of focus and leadership
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that you do you sense it? Nationally, the opposite.
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I think we're on message. We're getting back on the
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offense. We're on our feet.
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I think demonstrably that proved itself not just assert in the
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basis of what happened in the midterms.
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We got outperformed. I think our own quiet
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expectations, certainly punditry that was out there at the time.
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No, I think the party's in a much better place than it was
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back then. But I, you know, I stand by what
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I said a year and a half ago at a stress and frustration.
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I expressed not only that point of view, I tried to do something
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about it through the iteration of doing ads in other States and
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and making a case. You think the you think things
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are better in your opinion, because the party did something
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better, or simply the public. It's just pushing back on this
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abortion decision and that is motivating.
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Those abortion decisions obviously been galvanizing in
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that respect and it's demonstrably so.
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You saw with Ohio and what just happened, you're seeing it play
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out large and small venues, including the Wisconsin Supreme
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Court race, etcetera. So look, it's obviously played
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an outsized role, but I think we're getting our feet under us.
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I think focus on democracy and freedom, taking back the mantra
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of freedom, not submitting to the other side that they own
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patriot. Criticism.
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The President's developing his message and strategy and.
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Do you think, and this is, this may be a little hot take right
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off the bat, do you think people on the right and Republicans
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after the dobs decision came down should have just been like
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that's it issue decided, here we go, that's it, we've we've ended
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Roe V Wade. Let's not push our luck on it.
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Or do you think they kind of overplayed their hands in some
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states? That created an issue for
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Democrats like their fuel, they're continuing the fuel, the
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the narrative so that it galvanizes Democrats to show up
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to vote. Right, right.
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I see what you're saying. I agree.
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They jumped right in as opposed to like taking a breather and
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being like, OK, let's see how this plays out.
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Let's see what we need to do. And of course I'm pro-life, But
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you and I both agree these things should be left up to the
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States. And the states certainly took it
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and ran with it very quickly, which then we know Gavin Newsom
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slash California reacted right back.
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And now we've passed all these crazy bills that were funding
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all these abortions for out of state as well as their travel
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things we we as California, the state cannot even afford.
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And so there was, you know, reactions and reactions on both
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sides to the reactions, and I think everyone just jumped in
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too fast. Yeah, I think.
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I think it should. You know, you're giving the
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Democrats too much fuel with the the abortion issue right now.
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And I think after Roe V Wade was struck down by the Supreme
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Court, they should have said, well, it's a state's issue now.
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That's exactly how we wanted it, and that's the end of it.
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And that's how Republicans should have ended that and then
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let the states decide. But it's definitely something
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Democrats are hanging on to politically.
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As a talking point, does galvanize and still galvanize
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people. So probably even more so now
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because they said the Supreme Court is taking away your
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reproductive rights and all of that stuff as opposed to, you
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know, here in California made. I think we talked about this on
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the podcast when it did happen, we were like it will literally
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make no difference here in California.
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If anything it'll just it'll go to California and we can make
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our own laws and it'll be just as radical as before.
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So doesn't change anything here in California.
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Even though people here in California thought that somehow
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it would change their reproductive rights.
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But I digress. Let's see what else he has to
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say. You feel like you see it.
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I mean, do you feel like you know what the second term
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agenda? Is I don't know about the second
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term agenda because we're still regaling in the extraordinary
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success. Regaling in the extraordinary
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success of the Biden administrators, that's.
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We don't. We don't have time to think
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about the second term because we're just so giddy about the
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success of the Biden administration right now.
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Inflation never been higher? Check that off.
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Historic inflation? Check.
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Mark. Historic gas prices?
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Check. Mark.
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Historic unemployment? Check.
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Mark. Historic amount of people
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working multiple jobs? Check.
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Mark. Historic housing prices?
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Check. Mark.
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Just records all over the place, regaling in the success of the
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body administration. I wish I could say that in this
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interview, that was the worst answer, Gavin Gay.
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But I feel like it gets worse. It gets a lot worse.
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We'll get to that. But can we talk about how we've,
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like, caused everyone to go into debt over Ukraine?
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Like this administration will not stop giving money to
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Ukraine. Money we don't have, it's not
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even like it's not even like our tax dollars anymore.
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It's literally just like we're just like inventing money to
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just send like this. Money does not exist anymore and
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we're like, here you go. No.
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And Maui, meanwhile, in Maui, they're like, here's a check for
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$700.00. We're too busy fighting a war in
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Ukraine. We can't help rebuild Maui.
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I mean, the amount of money they've given Ukraine, they
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could have rebuilt everybody in Maui's house just the way it
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was. Giving them, you know, paid for
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it all out of and would have had plenty left over.
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But now Maui. Here's $700.00 and hopefully
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BlackRock and Oprah Winfrey don't buy up all your land and
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kick you out in. All clearness, though?
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That is like almost a year's worth of ice cream scoops for
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each person that received the $700.
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And that, you know, that's probably how Biden counts
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things, is like, how much ice cream can this get me?
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So dollars is a lot of ice cream.
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It's a lot. It's it's like if you like think
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about it like $2.00 per scoop, 1A day.
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That gets you almost like daily for a year.
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Oh, we're talking about like if you go get ice.
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I was thinking like if you go to the store and get ice cream,
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that's a lot of ice cream. I mean, it depends on you get
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like Blue Bunny or briars. Like it depends on the brand.
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Don't want to be insensitive, but they don't have like
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frizziers anymore to keep it in SO.
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Yeah, that's true. I'm.
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Sorry, that got way off topic. Which we now get to apply.
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Yeah, go ahead. No.
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I was just gonna say, but, you know, successful administration.
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Successful administration they're they're just regaling
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and and he brings up my favorite quote that he always says about
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the by administration is it's a master class.
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Master class. So tired of hearing that.
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It's a master class. Master class is what not to do
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for sure. The principles in advance, a lot
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of what has been asserted meaning make real the
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commitments we've made through these landmark legislative
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packages. But beyond that, I think the
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fundamental messaging has improved the organized.
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Framework that the ads that they've put out the last five
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ads I think have been spot what ads and now we've got to go out
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and campaign and I think you're going.
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To see that, I guess the ads from his campaign for what's his
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PAC? Campaign for Democracy or
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something? Democracy Campaign Democracy for
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Democracy. He's talking about his own ads.
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Yeah, the ads he put out. Yep.
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You think only 24% of Americans want to see Biden running?
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I don't. To me, the polls mean nothing
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until we get out there and we make our case and we got to make
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our case. We got to focus on the issues
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and then obviously framework of. You're well aware of how
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perception can become reality. Why do you think this perception
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is there? I'll leave it to more objective
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minds. I don't have that point of view.
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I'm very inspired. By master class.
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Last 2 1/2 years and I mean it. I mean master.
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Class, Take a shot. Delivering results and the
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results are demonstrable. The question you're asking is
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the challenging one is how do we mind the gap between?
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Performance, the substance and the results and that perception
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before it becomes reality. Clearly it's reflected
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situationally in these polls. But that's the opportunity, the
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not the burden, the opportunity of being able to run on this.
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Record. And to make the case the
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American. People, I think you even said
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this well, I think no. I think it was about a different
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part. But word solid.
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He just said a lot of words and I don't know what he said.
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Yeah, he's very good at that. And I I will give him this.
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I've always said this, Do not underestimate Gavin Newsom.
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He is a shrewd politician. He's very good at what he does.
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And if anything, you know, Republicans could probably learn
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a thing or two about how he interviews because he's very
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good at taking really bad negatives and just moving you
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away from that into his talking points.
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And that's just shrewd. That's just being a shrewd
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politician. But it is a lot of word salad
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when you listen to it. If you don't have googly eyes
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and rose colored glasses and you know, you think everything
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Democrats do is fantastic and wonderful, you do kind of watch
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this and go, I have no idea what the heck you just said.
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Which is probably why when you and I watch these interviews,
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our head hurts afterwards because we're like, we watch
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this and I have no idea what he said.
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It was a whole bunch of gobbledygook.
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Usually had to watch it several times.
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Yeah, it's. But he does do a very good job
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of pivoting. That's his whole thing.
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He does very good job at pivoting away from the negatives
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like Chuck Todd's. Like, why do you think 24% of
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Americans don't think he should run again?
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And then he's like, here's some gobbledygook about how great
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Democrats are and you know, it's a master class and what he's
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doing the. People over the next 18 months.
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You think this? Then do you think this is all
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just due to age? People just look at the ages.
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I just think he's not vibrant. That wasn't though.
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That wasn't even on my mind. In.
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A way that frankly we haven't in the past and we need surround
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sound. We need to organize bottom up,
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not just top down. We can't just rely on the
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president to terms of how we approach that, our role and
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responsibility and promoting that record.
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You you did this tour? Over spring break with your kids
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of the South went to some red states.
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I recommend that civil rights tour in Alabama.
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To anybody it is, it is. It is a remarkable journey to
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take when you walk. Republicans should do that tour.
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Maybe learn a little of their history, learn about convict
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leasing, learn about second slavery.
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Learn about little bit of their own history this nation, not
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just within their own states. They may want to discover the
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guy used to live here, Ronald Reagan.
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Richard Nixon, that was a. This is one part that I sat
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there and went what? When he goes, he goes,
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Republicans should do this civil rights tour and learn about
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their history. I'm sitting here going, it was
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Republicans who were segregating schools in the South.
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Are we? Are we sure about that, Newsom?
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Are we? Do we want to make sure we get
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our facts straight? That it wasn't Republicans in
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the South who were segregating schools by race and forcing
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people to get off lunch counters because they weren't supposed to
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sit there or go sit at the back of the bus?
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That wasn't Republicans, as far as I remember.
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If anything, he probably should say Democrats should take this
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and learn their history and what they did in the South during the
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Civil Rights era, during Jim Crow, and during all of this.
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Because I'm saying you're going, I don't think any Republicans
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had anything to do with any of that stuff that brought about
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civil rights and the civil rights marches.
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I'm pretty sure if they were all Southern Democrats.
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Or is he just admitting that Republicans actually helped
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civil rights, like Eisenhower helped desegregate schools by
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sending troops in? Did does he want to recognize
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that history? I I'm just confused as to what
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history he's talking about that Republicans.
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Had a role in in civil rights in the South at that time.
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Yeah, I'm also confused. And to that point, why does he
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have to keep making this a party issue?
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You know, are we need leaders that actually can unite us?
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And he just wants to sit here. And this is, of course, not the
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first time that he says something negative about
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Republicans. And he's.
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You know this is the supposed 4th largest economy.
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We get to that. But work on uniting us.
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You do have Republicans in your state, Newsome.
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Yeah, actually don't. Isn't it like there's the most
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registered Republicans in California?
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Or more than any other state? Yes, percentage wise, obviously
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were smaller than the Democrats were outnumbered big time by the
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Democrats in California. But I had heard that we are we
00:20:14
have the most Republican registers.
00:20:17
Yes. So yeah.
00:20:19
And he does talk a lot about throughout it that you know, we
00:20:22
should get past this partisan stuff and we should sit down and
00:20:25
talk and but at the same time he's also throws a lot of
00:20:29
vitriol and and and acid at Republicans throughout the whole
00:20:32
thing. But yeah, that was one part I
00:20:35
sat here. I was like.
00:20:36
What history are you referring to, Newsome?
00:20:38
Because I don't know what Republicans did that was so
00:20:42
horrific during the civil rights era.
00:20:45
Democrats, I mean, we could go through that, but that's not the
00:20:48
point of today's podcast, so. It was a profound and
00:20:53
consequential. It's interesting you say that
00:20:55
you you look at that trip and it made you think nicely of Nixon
00:20:59
and Reagan. Why?
00:21:00
Just makes me think that we've lost.
00:21:04
I've just dumbfounded when I think about the Republican.
00:21:07
I just noticed, are those surfboards in the background?
00:21:10
From Reagan, Reaganism, Reaganomics?
00:21:13
In some respects, how different the I don't know I.
00:21:17
Mean the idea? I just know it looks like right?
00:21:20
After ending Republicans again and.
00:21:23
Nixon The fact that the modern environmental movement in many
00:21:25
respects started with Ronald Reagan In 1989.
00:21:29
He was out there promoting Reagan Assault weapons ban.
00:21:33
He was defending the L GB T community.
00:21:35
Forget what he did on HIV and AIDS but he said infamously
00:21:38
around the Briggs initiative which was a precursor to don't
00:21:40
say gay bill that we know so much about in Florida.
00:21:43
He said you can't catch gay like you can measles.
00:21:46
Imagine a Republican saying that today.
00:21:48
They've fallen so far from that history, yet they they lay, they
00:21:53
tried so desperately lay. Climb to it, and they'll
00:21:55
certainly be doing that on September 27th at the Republican
00:21:58
Presidential library. Which I know you're going to be.
00:22:01
President Biden's, I guess, chief surrogate.
00:22:03
At that time, we've we've made our feelings on the Ronald
00:22:07
Reagan issue pretty clear. I think it was just an episode
00:22:11
or two ago. I'm sure he would love for
00:22:15
Republicans to just cling to Reagan for the rest of eternity
00:22:18
and become more and more irrelevant.
00:22:21
So that's that's obviously the benefit to Newsom is that if
00:22:25
Republicans just cling to Reagan forever.
00:22:28
And no one, like you said, I think you may, you brought up a
00:22:31
really good point about your son turning 18 this year or next
00:22:36
year. And he's going to be voting like
00:22:39
to to Reagan. To him, Reagan is like ancient
00:22:42
history. He's like Abraham Lincoln.
00:22:45
So to keep making it all about Reagan and forget and Nixon,
00:22:52
forget it. Nixon might as well be like, you
00:22:55
know, he came across. With Christopher Columbus, he
00:22:58
sailed the ocean blue. That's how old he is.
00:23:01
I need to take my kids to the Nixon library 5 minutes away.
00:23:07
Yeah, no excuse there. I haven't been to either the
00:23:10
Nixon or the Reagan Library, although a lot of people say I
00:23:12
should go check out one of them. That's what I keep reading
00:23:19
about. I'm waiting to get the official.
00:23:21
You haven't been asked yet. You have read that this is you,
00:23:24
you. Know also I I love that they do
00:23:26
all these interviews in the Governor's mansion in
00:23:28
Sacramento. Newsom and his family and the
00:23:32
first partner don't live in the Governor's mansion because it's
00:23:35
beneath them. I will bring this up every
00:23:37
single time because I think people need to know what in
00:23:40
elitist he is, is that he did not want to live in the
00:23:43
governor's mansion. Because it was not up to their
00:23:47
standards. So they went and bought a house
00:23:49
for $4 million in cash in the richest suburb of Sacramento, 45
00:23:54
minutes away from work. So they're creating more
00:23:57
pollution, which they rail against, because how many Suv's
00:24:01
have to bring Newsom and in the first partner to work every day
00:24:05
and they may not travel together.
00:24:07
So what if they have different convoys, so 45 minutes both way
00:24:10
security for that time. They got security for that time.
00:24:14
When they could live in the governor's mansion and walk to
00:24:17
work. So obviously Newsom doesn't care
00:24:19
about the the climate that much when it comes to should I live
00:24:24
in a place where I create no carbon emissions and I can walk
00:24:28
to work that's paid for by, you know, paid for by the taxpayers
00:24:32
or should I just buy a $4 million house with cash, don't
00:24:35
ask where I got 4 million done. Cash.
00:24:37
Being a public servant my whole life, that's not the point.
00:24:40
Do you think he has a health account?
00:24:43
It's actually a serious question.
00:24:44
I wonder if they give him a housing allowance.
00:24:46
Ooh, I don't know. Do they get a housing?
00:24:48
Well, they probably get the people who would be working at
00:24:52
the governor's mansion, I guess work for him now at his house.
00:24:56
So like any chefs or anything like that would now work at his
00:25:00
house? I assume so.
00:25:04
But now they have to drive them 45 minutes away, so more carbon
00:25:09
emissions anyway. As I say the formalized, yet I
00:25:15
can't say anything and this goes formalized.
00:25:17
It may be speculation. Fair enough.
00:25:20
I will go down that road. But I'm going back to that trip.
00:25:23
What did you learn about the perception of the California
00:25:27
that the South Seas right And I'm I was I'm a Flirtian and I
00:25:31
was thought was interested in in what the chairman of the Florida
00:25:34
Democratic Party said about your visit.
00:25:36
Hey, we don't mind the help, but don't compare Florida and
00:25:38
California. We're different and that's okay.
00:25:41
Meaning like what they were. She was a little nervous that
00:25:45
your politics was going to define her politics, and she
00:25:48
didn't want that. What'd you learn about that?
00:25:50
Well, I didn't. I didn't hear that or read that.
00:25:53
When I was out there meeting with Democratic leaders, maybe
00:25:55
with legislative leaders in everyone of these states, I was
00:25:58
hearing the opposite. Thank you for focusing on us.
00:26:00
Thank you for coming out here. Thank you for doing what we
00:26:03
needed to be doing. All of these state chairs you
00:26:05
think we're? I don't know about all the state
00:26:07
chairs, the folks I met with, the folks on the ground, the
00:26:09
legislative leaders who said you know what Democratic Party and
00:26:13
this is not an indictment of the current Democratic Party frankly
00:26:17
have taken us for granted. I mean these were legislative
00:26:20
Democratic Party was in power in 2010 in most of those states
00:26:26
legislatively and we act like it was 1950s or 30s or 40s and and
00:26:32
we've turned the page on those states.
00:26:33
So as a Democrat, I was out there to make the case we need
00:26:35
to invest. And time and energy in these
00:26:37
states, we didn't make our case. And Democratic values weren't
00:26:40
selling California. We're selling Democratic.
00:26:42
Values Are you going to be? There's three governor's races
00:26:45
in the and two in the. We'll say this again for those
00:26:51
listening or watching. Don't shut it.
00:26:54
Don't shut off the feed and don't end this podcast right
00:26:57
now. I'm just saying this because the
00:27:01
truth hurts sometimes. What Gavin Newsom is saying is
00:27:07
what Republicans should be doing in California.
00:27:15
There should be prominent Republicans coming to California
00:27:20
if they want to help turn things around.
00:27:22
They should be coming to California, meeting on the
00:27:25
ground with people, talking about how they can funnel
00:27:28
resources to the people who need it and talk about flipping state
00:27:32
seats and state legislatures. I think credit where credit is
00:27:40
due. Newsome's going into the belly
00:27:41
of the beast in places like Florida, which is very red by
00:27:45
now, talking with Democrats on the ground and going, what do
00:27:48
you need to help flip seats? Let's work on that, right?
00:27:52
Republicans have written off California and don't want to
00:27:57
talk about it, right? So we get that.
00:28:01
Like every time you post something people are talking to
00:28:03
you about, it's a waste of time. California's Lost Move on.
00:28:08
Well, and I I I don't blame those people because as much as
00:28:13
they probably wanted to stay in California and they left
00:28:16
California, I don't blame them. If you had to leave California
00:28:18
for your family and you got a better job and you want to do
00:28:21
that, I never blame people for that.
00:28:25
But also a big part of that is probably it feels like there's
00:28:28
no help coming the the Calvary is not coming to California.
00:28:33
And there's something to be said about Gavin Newsom going into
00:28:36
these deep red states, talking with Democratic leaders on the
00:28:40
ground, state legislatures and and and stuff like that and
00:28:44
saying what can we do to help to help change things from the
00:28:47
bottom up. So, you know, credit and he
00:28:52
started that pack. So credit where credit is due,
00:28:55
he's doing something to put Republicans on defense in deep
00:28:59
red states. Now, if only Republicans could
00:29:03
organize and do the same thing here in California, it might be
00:29:08
worth it to push back here in California, put the Democrats on
00:29:12
defense here in California and figure out how to organize.
00:29:14
So I'm just going to say that and hopefully people are still
00:29:18
watching. It looks like people are still
00:29:19
watching based on the numbers. People haven't shut the stream
00:29:23
off. So thank you but.
00:29:27
Camille's leaving. She's signing off.
00:29:28
It'll just be me for the rest of the episode.
00:29:31
But yeah, credit where credit is due, and I've always had this.
00:29:33
Don't underestimate Newsom. He's a shrewd politician, and
00:29:37
Republicans can learn a thing or two about going on offense and
00:29:40
changing the narrative. So.
00:29:45
Doing the Deep South one in a border state.
00:29:46
Kentucky. Louisiana.
00:29:48
Mississippi. Yep, any of them asked for you
00:29:50
to campaign? I'm deeply involved in all of
00:29:52
them. We've been out there
00:29:54
fundraising. We've been supporting those
00:29:56
efforts. We've been in constant in close
00:29:58
contact with with those candidates and to the extent
00:30:01
they want me physically out there, I'll come out.
00:30:03
If they don't, I won't. But bottom line is we've been
00:30:05
deeply involved. That's why we created this pack.
00:30:07
And we're supporting not just gubernatorial races, legislative
00:30:10
races as well as mayoral races. You seem to be more in tune.
00:30:15
I would argue in tune. Some would say you're you're too
00:30:17
focused on how red America misperceives California.
00:30:22
And and democratic values, right.
00:30:24
This is one of the reasons you want to go out there and defend
00:30:27
democratic values. You feel as if that what do you
00:30:29
think the right gets wrong about California?
00:30:33
Not on purpose. I think there's some stuff they
00:30:35
do just on purpose. What do you think they get wrong
00:30:38
about California? That's actually an
00:30:40
understandable misconception. Well, I don't have to travel to
00:30:43
to get that the contrast go to. Central Valley.
00:30:46
Yeah, I mean, California is larger than 21 state populations
00:30:51
combined. What a snide comment.
00:30:52
Just go to Central, I know. Just go to Central Valley and
00:30:56
talk to those backwoods Hicks out there in Central Valley.
00:31:00
You know where all of our food comes from and.
00:31:02
Yeah, you know, we're like hard working Californians who
00:31:05
actually like break a sweat for a job and you know, don't live
00:31:10
in the tech bubble in Silicon Valley.
00:31:12
Those people, yeah, just go to Silicon Valley.
00:31:16
Just go to Central Valley. You know those those backwards
00:31:18
Hicks if you want to get an idea of.
00:31:21
What Republicans think of you in in California?
00:31:23
I'm surprised they didn't say. Like just go up north to state
00:31:27
at Jefferson and see what they think of you.
00:31:30
I. Just put it in perspective, we
00:31:34
have more hunting jobs, forestry jobs, more jobs broadly in the
00:31:40
agricultural space, the next five states combined, so I don't
00:31:45
need to be inspired. To Alabama to find out.
00:31:48
To what the point, I think. Look.
00:31:50
I've spent a great deal of time in Central Valley, Central
00:31:53
Coast, parts of the state, rural, northern parts of the
00:31:56
state as well making a case, listening, learning.
00:31:59
One thing I do know is we all want to be respected, we all
00:32:02
want to be connected to something larger than ourselves
00:32:05
and none of us want to be talked past or down to.
00:32:09
And we live in our own micro cults in some respects these
00:32:12
bubbles that we're living in where you just have surround
00:32:15
sound negativity and some of the networks and then certainly in
00:32:18
the social media and the algorithms.
00:32:21
And we're talking past each other.
00:32:22
And you know, my job, our job, our collective job is to
00:32:25
understand one another and live together, Figure out a way to
00:32:28
define the terms of, you know, our ability to live in advance
00:32:31
together across our differences. There was.
00:32:33
I want to talk about that actually a second.
00:32:34
It was during COVID. Oh boy.
00:32:37
You were pretty strict with the lockdowns here and.
00:32:41
This is where it starts to get juicy.
00:32:43
So this is where I this is where I still get triggered.
00:32:49
This is where it gets a little juicy.
00:32:52
Harpers that sort of was critical of your decisions from
00:32:58
this perspective. You found a way to allow the
00:33:02
motion picture industry and sudden in the in the sort of the
00:33:05
movie industry to get back to work.
00:33:07
But you didn't allow people to grieve together at funerals or
00:33:10
at churches and that it sort of and that this may be why there's
00:33:14
such a polarized disconnect. What?
00:33:17
What you prioritize, right? This is this anger between the
00:33:20
populace and the elite. Supposedly here you prioritize
00:33:22
this industry, but you you know you were tougher on those that
00:33:28
just wanted to go worship. What do you say to that, Chris?
00:33:32
I think there's a lot of humility.
00:33:33
And we didn't know, We didn't know and it was hardly I.
00:33:36
Who's we collectively? I think all of us in, in terms
00:33:39
of our collective wisdom, we've evolved, we didn't know, we
00:33:42
didn't know. We're experts in hindsight.
00:33:44
We're all geniuses. But think about what we what you
00:33:46
what you ended up collectively prioritizing you're prioritizing
00:33:49
industry you know and one specific one but then didn't
00:33:54
prioritize maybe ones that. Whose maybe values you didn't
00:33:58
connect with. I don't think it's a binary.
00:33:59
There was iterations within that theme.
00:34:02
There was. There was fits and starts.
00:34:04
There were regional frameworks that.
00:34:06
No, no, no. There were regional frameworks
00:34:11
for about 3 months until you couldn't stand it anymore and
00:34:15
took over and had complete and the state took over all of the
00:34:19
COVID protocols there was. Remember, it was for a while.
00:34:23
It was county. Wide it was.
00:34:26
Every county was sort of in charge of their own COVID
00:34:30
response. And then it got to a point where
00:34:32
Newsom stepped in and said this is actually a great freeze frame
00:34:35
for him right now. It kind of looks like Robert De
00:34:37
Niro it. Then he stepped in and became
00:34:41
Emperor Newsom and he decided he was going to set all the rules
00:34:45
and he was going to decide exactly how it was.
00:34:47
And yeah, there were fits and starts, mostly because you kept
00:34:50
changing the parameters of how we went from.
00:34:54
Like how did we know? What was it like?
00:34:57
Counties were in red tier, orange tier, Green tier was like
00:35:01
all these different, like green tier was almost impossible to
00:35:04
get to because it was like 1 COVID case per 100 or
00:35:08
something like that. Like it was fits and starts
00:35:10
because you kept changing the rules.
00:35:13
But I think Chuck Todd is on to something here where he says,
00:35:16
yeah, you shut down churches, which you went to the Supreme
00:35:20
Court and lost. It's actually a church here in
00:35:23
San Diego, South Bay Pentecostal church, which took you all the
00:35:26
way up to the Supreme Court and you lost.
00:35:28
And you have to be forced by the Supreme Court to reopen
00:35:31
churches. But then you see the movie
00:35:35
industry had no problem reopening and they could be open
00:35:38
and have how many people working.
00:35:41
Yeah, there was. There was priorities of what got
00:35:45
opened and what did it and the fact that worship which is
00:35:49
protected in the Constitution. Was shut down, but the movie
00:35:54
industry, not protected in the Constitution, was allowed to go
00:35:58
on. It does look pretty bad.
00:36:00
What do you think? Do you recall the video of the
00:36:05
woman who had a restaurant in LA and she set up like they were
00:36:09
told, you know, the tent, outdoor structure kind of things
00:36:12
so that people could eat outdoors.
00:36:14
And then some Hollywood movie needed her space, and she was
00:36:18
shut down and they took over her space so that staff could eat
00:36:22
out there. If I could just like, pound one
00:36:28
point about Newsome to anybody and everybody for the rest of
00:36:31
his life and beyond and in history.
00:36:33
Because he's going to be written in history books and it's going
00:36:37
to be a complete lie. Like he's going to somehow be
00:36:39
the hero of COVID in these history books.
00:36:42
Newsome never cared about you, about your family, about your
00:36:47
livelihood. He literally just decided he
00:36:50
only cared about his power and he shut you down.
00:36:53
He doesn't care about small businesses.
00:36:55
He destroyed small businesses. He destroyed the livelihood of
00:36:59
people. People are still trying to
00:37:01
recover from these massive losses.
00:37:05
And of course, we know suicide rates went up and mental health
00:37:08
issues went up and education failed.
00:37:11
He did that and he just for. For years.
00:37:13
I mean, what was it we just allegedly, like, lifted the
00:37:16
orders last year, three years, three years.
00:37:20
There's no hindsight. He had two weeks to slow the
00:37:22
spread. He had hindsight. 2 weeks, 3
00:37:24
months. He had hindsight.
00:37:26
He kept it going, kept it going, kept it going.
00:37:28
And I just especially if you're a Democrat and the fact that you
00:37:32
voted for this guy. Again, I'm sorry, you're an
00:37:36
idiot. Like, I hate saying that because
00:37:38
we can have difference in a in politics and you're not an
00:37:41
idiot. But voting for this guy, you
00:37:43
were an idiot. He destroyed people you knew.
00:37:46
Maybe you weren't destroyed. Maybe you weren't hurt because
00:37:49
maybe you worked in Hollywood or you were a nurse and you know
00:37:52
things carried on so great. But this actually just makes me
00:37:57
angry to know and am I getting hot talking about this because
00:38:00
he's sitting here trying to say no, this was we.
00:38:02
And collectively hindsight and you know we did what we knew we
00:38:05
could. No, no.
00:38:07
People were screaming at you knew some people were telling
00:38:10
you we need to reopen. We need to do this.
00:38:13
And sure there was other people saying, OK, good, shut down.
00:38:16
There were sheriff's. I know Riverside and Orange
00:38:18
County. We're like we're not following
00:38:19
these lockdown orders. Go do as you please.
00:38:21
Open your businesses. Freaking Nancy Pelosi.
00:38:24
His little BFF was getting her hair done in the salon when we
00:38:26
were all told that we weren't allowed to do that.
00:38:28
And, you know, on and on and on and on and on, this man does not
00:38:32
care about you. Do not vote for this man for
00:38:34
president. Do not vote for him for
00:38:36
anything. And if you do, go seek help
00:38:39
because like, there is nothing here.
00:38:42
This is nothing. And California is worse off than
00:38:45
it was. He needs to go.
00:38:47
And yes, I'm angry. No, rightfully so, I think.
00:38:52
I think people need to remember. That anger, and I think that
00:38:56
video of that Lady, like you mentioned, you can go look it
00:38:59
up. I think that perfectly sums up
00:39:03
the frustration that a lot of small business owners were
00:39:05
feeling during COVID, which was what's going on here.
00:39:09
The rules make no sense. They're not consistent.
00:39:12
You can't justify it. And his whole well, you know
00:39:15
it's we and it's we didn't know what the science was and we were
00:39:18
figuring it out and it's like, well, why?
00:39:21
In the moment, even in the moment, why was the science
00:39:24
different for the movie industry?
00:39:26
Who had actors and tech and staff and all of that stuff?
00:39:31
A crew of 7075 people. Why is that science different?
00:39:35
To allow them to do what they were doing, But a small business
00:39:39
was not allowed to do anything. And that's why I think people
00:39:42
were really frustrated was you're applying the rules of
00:39:46
science, which is supposed to be objective and it's not supposed
00:39:49
to change. COVID didn't care if you were a
00:39:52
movie crew or a small restaurant, but you were
00:39:56
applying the rules differently. And I think people that's that's
00:39:59
that's the frustration. That video sums it up that
00:40:02
people saw right through it that he was he was just kind of
00:40:06
picking and choosing and you knew the state of California was
00:40:10
picking and choosing the industries that they liked as
00:40:13
opposed to equally across the board and the fact that churches
00:40:18
were shut down. But liquor stores will remain to
00:40:21
be open. Like those were two things that
00:40:24
I think people looked at that went OK.
00:40:26
So we can drink ourselves silly and stay in the house, but if we
00:40:31
want to go worship, we can't do that, so.
00:40:35
Therapy therapists were shut down, too.
00:40:37
I mean, they were allowed to do online, but I know.
00:40:40
I mean, I've talked about it here before with my daughter,
00:40:42
who was going through some weird extreme anxiety disorder.
00:40:46
Not because of COVID. I'm not blaming COVID for that.
00:40:48
But she had to do. Her she wasn't speaking and she
00:40:52
was supposed to do these online zoom meetings with their
00:40:54
therapist and literally she was 8 at the time.
00:40:58
She was doing it like this and she, not speaking, put her head
00:41:02
down and cried for an hour and like, I had to watch my daughter
00:41:05
go through that. I mean, okay, I guess I could
00:41:08
have pulled her off, but we were in this desperate like she needs
00:41:12
therapy because she's not speaking.
00:41:13
You know, she 8 years old and went mute and I'm sorry for
00:41:17
everyone that I called it. Idiot.
00:41:19
You're probably not an idiot, but you need to do a little bit
00:41:21
of soul searching, yeah, and hopefully people.
00:41:26
Talks on. I'm like taking off my socks
00:41:27
right now. I hope, I think a lot.
00:41:30
I hope a lot of people look back who maybe, maybe supported all
00:41:35
this back during COVID, kind of look back on this and go.
00:41:39
I was kind of wrong on all that. And hopefully more influencers
00:41:44
who are on the left start speaking up about this stuff.
00:41:48
I had a point I was going to make, but I completely forgot
00:41:50
about. And obviously science doesn't
00:41:54
apply. Like when the, you know, during
00:41:56
the whole summer. Obviously this point has been
00:41:59
made ad nauseam at this point that protests in in name of
00:42:04
George Floyd and BLM were obviously science didn't apply.
00:42:08
You could amass thousands of people together in Oakland, LA,
00:42:12
Beverly Hills, San Francisco. Here in San Diego, there were
00:42:16
protests. Those were fine.
00:42:18
You didn't have to break those up.
00:42:19
But if 50 people want to get together in church, not.
00:42:23
All right, so. Right.
00:42:25
And you know, they actually would come out with articles
00:42:27
saying studies show no COVID was passed amongst this protest of
00:42:31
6000 people. Or yeah, I don't know how they
00:42:34
even trace that, but it was it was complete and utter BS.
00:42:38
It was. It was, but you know, props to,
00:42:41
I think it was awakened church down here.
00:42:43
They just ignored all of it. And we're like we're just gonna
00:42:46
have complete, full services. So they were one that kind of
00:42:50
put their thumb in the in the face or in the eye of Newsom at
00:42:53
that time. And impacts more broadly
00:43:00
defined, there were more industry specific.
00:43:03
Frameworks. All of us went through a
00:43:04
process. I mean there was a few states
00:43:07
that didn't go on aggressive lockdowns, including Florida was
00:43:11
closed down for one month and after that was at one or two
00:43:15
months. And then De Santa said this is
00:43:16
silly, we're going back to normal.
00:43:19
Like they looked at the science, they were looking at the same
00:43:22
science and the same data you were.
00:43:25
And he decided in two months it was OK to reopen.
00:43:27
And there wasn't a big difference in numbers covet.
00:43:30
Wise. So obviously I guess DeSantis
00:43:34
learned faster than you was information just not getting out
00:43:37
to California fast enough. We were behind in the science,
00:43:43
but also he's just deflecting at this point.
00:43:46
The question is, you know, you why, why did you prioritize this
00:43:50
industry versus this industry? And then he's just like, well,
00:43:53
Florida. Florida was aggressively locked
00:43:56
down, too, OK, but no one aggressively locked down quite
00:44:01
like California and as long as California.
00:44:04
I wish he would quit throwing other states in as if that has
00:44:07
anything to do with like, I don't remember who does this,
00:44:10
but when they talk about the homeless population, like, Oh
00:44:12
well, another state has homeless people.
00:44:14
Like, no, that's not relevant to this conversation.
00:44:15
We're talking about California. Well, we'll get to that.
00:44:18
There's a Fact Check on that one, so.
00:44:23
Or but with. But within the framework who
00:44:25
opened the door, It's. What industry got leniency in
00:44:29
which? Which ones of it is?
00:44:31
All of it is legitimate in terms of reflection.
00:44:33
All of it's legitimate in terms of processing lessons learned.
00:44:36
We went through a process actually had its sunny lands,
00:44:39
which is the Camp David on the West Coast.
00:44:41
We brought together experts across the spectrum, people that
00:44:44
supported our efforts and people that oppose them international.
00:44:47
Experts wait, you got. To get people, Yeah.
00:44:50
Weren't you not supposed to get together with people?
00:44:52
I thought people. Were people from other state,
00:44:54
people from other states? What and international people?
00:44:57
Did you check to see if they had covet before they got here?
00:45:03
What we did right, what we did wrong, we're actually putting
00:45:06
out a report as it relates to our own lessons learned.
00:45:08
I think this country would do well to advance a similar
00:45:12
construct, not through the lens of prisms of an ideology.
00:45:15
But through you think there should be.
00:45:17
Almost like a 9/11 Commission on what lessons learned from this
00:45:20
pandemic. There's been versions of that,
00:45:22
but they're immediately dismissed within.
00:45:24
Yes, there should be a 9/11 Commission on COVID, and most of
00:45:29
it will be redacted and you, the real truth won't come out.
00:45:33
So not to get off on a 9/11 tangent, but if it's anything
00:45:41
like the 9/11 Commission, then we won't learn anything about
00:45:43
COVID. Well, everything will seem hunky
00:45:46
Dory, and it'll be part of the narrative anyway.
00:45:50
Frame and so I'm at least trying to work across that and in
00:45:54
context of always. Something you do differently.
00:45:57
I think we would have done everything differently.
00:46:00
As we understood, we would understand outdoors as example
00:46:03
cloud nature. You wouldn't shut schools down,
00:46:05
you to try to figure out how to maybe have outdoor classrooms.
00:46:07
Like, hold on, hold on. I didn't say that.
00:46:10
Hold on, hold on. I didn't say like.
00:46:13
No, I I still remain in power and do people do what I say.
00:46:17
But, you know, hold on outdoors. Hold on.
00:46:22
The nature of the spread early on and understanding
00:46:26
epidemiology that spread understanding the spread in the
00:46:28
context. Of how it spread very
00:46:31
differently indoors than outdoors is 1 perfect example
00:46:35
what a lot of us would have done differently, including again in
00:46:38
states red states that shut down their beaches in the early part,
00:46:42
but they did it stay shut down. That's the moral of the story.
00:46:48
They didn't stay shut down. Here's some They didn't stay
00:46:50
shut down like every. Yes, there were plenty of red
00:46:54
states in the beginning that freaked out just like everybody
00:46:57
else because we didn't know what was going on and they took that
00:47:00
one or two-month pause. All except for South Dakota.
00:47:06
I was. Just about to say that all
00:47:09
except South Dakota, but we won't talk about that that's a
00:47:13
still a that's still a tender issue for me right now.
00:47:18
But lot of red states, Texas, Florida, yes they they shut down
00:47:22
but quickly they reverse course and they reopened.
00:47:26
So he keeps trying to point to red states that shut down but no
00:47:32
RedState was ever shut down as long as California or as
00:47:35
aggressively. So it's apples and bowling balls
00:47:39
at this point Gavin you're trying to compare the two.
00:47:41
It's not even close. Right.
00:47:46
Deeper understanding of around mask and mask wearing and N 90
00:47:50
fives 1090 fives. You go through a process across
00:47:54
the spectrum in terms of being prepared, issues related to how
00:47:58
we fundamentally address the distribution of vaccines and the
00:48:02
prioritization. You want to talk about
00:48:04
prioritizations early on. There's those vaccines.
00:48:06
You go through a series of things, and there's so many
00:48:09
things we could have done differently.
00:48:10
Do you think this country can handle another pandemic or do
00:48:13
you think it would break? I think we have the way a
00:48:14
resilient country, so it wouldn't break us.
00:48:17
But I'm not convinced we've learned the lessons from the
00:48:20
last one. And I think science took a big
00:48:22
hit. I think the.
00:48:23
Health Read the history book for 1918, we're.
00:48:25
Still, we learned, yeah. No and I but but that's we've
00:48:28
learned a lot since COVID. He just went on about how
00:48:32
everything would be done differently in hindsight, but
00:48:35
then we didn't learn the lessons.
00:48:37
What? Which lessons I I think maybe
00:48:41
he's trying to say internally for the elites who were in
00:48:44
power, they learned how to do things differently next time
00:48:49
this happens so that the rabble rousers and the commoners don't
00:48:54
cause any more problems. But, you know, maybe the the
00:48:59
commoners haven't learned as much as they should have about
00:49:02
the last pandemic. I think that's the difference.
00:49:06
Those in power learned what they should have done differently.
00:49:10
Doesn't mean they should have been more like, you know, or
00:49:13
less restrictive. It just means they should have
00:49:16
changed how they implemented total control.
00:49:19
So. Divide people.
00:49:23
That's alarming. It should be alarming all of us
00:49:25
that that all of a sudden health became partisan and that's
00:49:29
something we're going to pay a big price, you're right going
00:49:32
forward. But it won't break us because
00:49:34
we're remarkably resilient. Speaking of breaking us, I think
00:49:37
another four years of Donald Trump will break us.
00:49:39
I'm going to skip ahead real quick because we're coming up on
00:49:43
an hour and there's still some more I want to get to Crap.
00:49:47
Where did all my stuff go? How does this move around like
00:49:49
this again? Open invitation.
00:49:53
Anybody who wants to be a producer of the California
00:49:55
Underground podcast e-mail us at California
00:49:57
underground@protonmail.com. It'll be a good learning
00:50:01
experience. I want to skip ahead to him
00:50:06
talking more about whether Biden should run or not.
00:50:11
Of course. For all of us across the
00:50:22
spectrum. Filing deadlines haven't passed.
00:50:25
President Biden doesn't run. Why shouldn't we consider you a
00:50:28
likely? I think the vice president is
00:50:29
naturally one lined up and the filing deadlines are quickly
00:50:32
coming to pass and I think we need to move past this notion
00:50:35
that he's not going to run. President Biden is going to run
00:50:39
and looking forward to get him reelected.
00:50:41
I think there's been so much wallowing in the last few months
00:50:45
and hand ringing in this respect, but we're gearing up
00:50:48
for the campaign. We're looking.
00:50:49
Forward to it, I you know, but. You hear these calls privately.
00:50:53
What do you tell these donors who are wallowing?
00:50:55
Time to move on. Let's go.
00:50:57
I'm going to be at the DNC next week in Chicago was down with
00:51:01
the DCC two weeks ago. Down in San Diego.
00:51:04
Let's go. Let's make the case, Let's stop.
00:51:06
I mean, let's make the case if you're not.
00:51:08
Plying administration. There's no Plan B for you.
00:51:11
No one. Perhaps there's never been more
00:51:13
consistent words have come out of my mouth than that I.
00:51:16
Understand that, but I have something is always has has hit
00:51:19
me for a while with you in particular.
00:51:21
Your political hero is Bobby Kennedy.
00:51:23
Yeah, yeah, Bobby. What would Bobby do?
00:51:26
Bobby ran. Bobby ran.
00:51:29
He did it. Now, you could argue that he
00:51:32
waited for somebody else to prove LBJ was vulnerable before
00:51:35
jumping in. We could, we could debate the
00:51:36
particulars of of when. If you're going to go bold,
00:51:41
sometimes you go when everybody tells you not to go.
00:51:43
Yeah, I'm I I haven't plotted this out.
00:51:47
Here is my general theory. I think we're in alignment on
00:51:53
this podcast that Newsom will run for president.
00:51:57
Come hell or high water, something's going to happen.
00:52:01
I think he's playing the dutiful, loyal little soldier
00:52:06
right now. And I think he's, he's saying
00:52:09
all the right things and he's saying the things that a, a
00:52:13
strong Biden supporter should say, which is master class and
00:52:19
and regaling in the past 2 1/2 years of absolute unfettered
00:52:23
historic success. It's like the revival of FTRFTR.
00:52:28
It's it's just unincredible. I think he's saying all this so
00:52:33
that he sets himself up as the person that when Biden
00:52:37
inevitably doesn't run, whether it's because Hunter's getting
00:52:42
indicted and all this stuff comes out about him with
00:52:46
business dealings or age or health, I think it will look to
00:52:53
he'll look like the good guy cuz they'll be like we twisted his
00:52:56
arm and and it was his duty to step up and run and save the
00:53:00
country. It won't look like a selfish.
00:53:04
I'm inserting myself into the race because I think I could do
00:53:07
a better job and I would be a better president.
00:53:10
He's saying all the right things.
00:53:12
So he appears like the unwilling or unwitting hero of the
00:53:17
Democratic Party. That's, that's my theory, is
00:53:21
that he's just saying all the right things so that they can go
00:53:24
back and be like, oh, he's been plotting this for a while.
00:53:26
He wants to be president. I mean, even Chuck Todd is
00:53:29
sitting here going, like, come on, we know you're getting
00:53:32
calls. Donors are saying, like, you
00:53:34
know, you should be running for president.
00:53:36
I mean, Chuck Todd's well connected in DC.
00:53:40
I'm pretty sure that's where Meet the Press is even recorded.
00:53:43
I think it's in DC So he, he has obviously connections and
00:53:47
sources and he's saying they're going come on, we know you're
00:53:50
getting calls from all these donors and people who think you
00:53:53
should run. Why aren't you running?
00:53:57
So I think that's why he's he says it like this.
00:54:00
So I think even though he unequivocally says I'm not
00:54:03
running for president, I think he says that so that he's set up
00:54:08
to run for president when that chance comes.
00:54:13
Well, like you mentioned earlier in the episode, the Democratic
00:54:16
Party, they do mobilize. Like we have to give them credit
00:54:18
that they are like that this pack he's going and helping
00:54:21
these other state legislators and gubernatorial candidates and
00:54:23
stuff. They mobilize, they support each
00:54:26
other. They stand behind each other.
00:54:28
So of course, like he's going to be Biden's cheerleader.
00:54:31
Absolutely. Until you can't cheerlead for
00:54:33
Biden anymore. And I had something else I was
00:54:37
going to say on that point. Well, he, we know he.
00:54:41
Like is obsessed with De Santis and watches De Santis every
00:54:44
move. And De Santis for so long, said
00:54:45
I'm not going to run, I'm not going to run.
00:54:47
And then he, you know, announced he was running and a bunch of
00:54:48
Republicans were like, you said you weren't going to run and now
00:54:52
you turn around around. That was why.
00:54:53
And we see that De Santis isn't still isn't like the number one
00:54:57
choice right now. And so I think he like knows he
00:55:00
can't do that right now. So he has to wait until he's got
00:55:03
the actual opportunity to step in, or wait until 2028, but
00:55:09
either. Way we know.
00:55:10
Yeah. He he's trying to make himself
00:55:12
look like the unwitting hero. Like.
00:55:14
Aw, shocks. All right, if you want me to run
00:55:17
for president, I guess I will. It's not like I haven't been
00:55:19
preparing for this for the past 2 1/2 years.
00:55:22
Exactly. Since today he was born.
00:55:24
Like I I haven't set up this pack that seems almost oddly
00:55:28
familiar to when Obama set up his pack.
00:55:31
So I I'd still think he's running.
00:55:34
Also, he says that it's Kamala Harris's job if Biden steps
00:55:39
aside. I looked on RealClearPolitics
00:55:44
for their average, so those of you aren't familiar.
00:55:47
RealClearPolitics takes a whole average of all the polls of
00:55:52
issues and politicians. Kamala Harris right now has a
00:55:58
54.9% unfavorable rating as a real clear political average.
00:56:04
Massively underwater so she's not looking too hot.
00:56:09
And then even Joe Biden. There was a dance studio that
00:56:13
might have hurt. Yeah, that was in the past week,
00:56:15
so that may have dropped her. And then even Biden right now.
00:56:18
RealClearPolitics averaged 55.9 unfavorable.
00:56:24
Ooh, that's really bad. So I think he's worse at this
00:56:27
point than Donald Trump was at this point in his presidency.
00:56:30
So. But he's the master class.
00:56:34
We're still reveling in this first term master class, Master
00:56:37
class of Joe Biden running the country.
00:56:41
Yeah, just an absolute master class.
00:56:54
It's like he can barely not smile and laugh at this while
00:56:58
he's answering. No.
00:58:03
Triggered. Triggered.
00:58:06
Triggered. No.
00:58:08
I was going to say, you know what?
00:58:09
He reluctantly was Lieutenant governor.
00:58:11
He wanted to be governor. At that point Governor Moonbeam
00:58:15
stepped in and obviously that they cleared the path for him
00:58:20
and yeah he was like I think he was like one of the most
00:58:22
inactive Lieutenant Governor's. Like that was why people were
00:58:25
upset with him is he didn't like never showed up to work and he
00:58:27
was always out doing other things.
00:58:29
But besides the point when he says I'm a small business guy I
00:58:32
I try not to throw up in my mouth like I you were not a
00:58:38
small business guy you've been attached to.
00:58:41
Was it Gordon Getty or somebody with the the the billionaire in
00:58:44
in the Bay Area you've always had a silver spoon in your
00:58:49
mouth. You've always had connections.
00:58:50
You've always had funding. It's not you're not up pull
00:58:53
yourself up from your bootstraps kind of guy who like you know
00:58:56
went all in got a loan and you know slept at your winery to
00:59:01
make it work. Like it this you were pretty
00:59:04
much handed a lot of things. So enough of the small business
00:59:07
guy stuff. Also for a guy who says he's a
00:59:10
small business guy going back to the COVID thing, I think you
00:59:13
brought this up. We were texting for being the
00:59:17
small business guy. He seemed to destroy and shut
00:59:21
down a lot of small businesses for being the small business
00:59:24
guy. You'd think he'd empathize and
00:59:26
and want to help those small businesses get open faster.
00:59:28
But he didn't. So I I can't stand when he says
00:59:32
he's the small business guy. I don't know what's going on.
01:01:00
Fact Check was. There a swear sound bite.
01:01:03
For that you need a little sound effect.
01:01:05
We I know, we need a Fact Check sound bite again, if you want to
01:01:09
be a producer on the California underground@protonmail.com OK,
01:01:14
so from the Cato Institute. This was pretty recent.
01:01:17
This is actually the most recent article about it because all the
01:01:21
other puff pieces were from last year.
01:01:23
But this was actually from April 5th in 2023.
01:01:28
No, California is not the world's 4th largest economy.
01:01:32
This is the latest California GDP data published by the Bureau
01:01:34
of Economic Analysis places the size of California's economy at
01:01:38
3 trillion as of the fourth quarter of 2022.
01:01:43
Official German data from the Statistics Bundesmat show that
01:01:48
2022 GDP totals 4 trillion in U.S. dollars.
01:01:54
The gap may continue to grow. That's that's a huge gap.
01:01:58
Yeah. That's that's not a tiny gap.
01:01:59
That's a a sizable gap. So how did anyone get the idea
01:02:05
that California passed? California originated with a
01:02:07
Bloomberg opinion piece entitled California Poised to Overtake
01:02:11
Germany as the World's Number for Economy by Matt Winkler.
01:02:16
And that was what? If you look at all these
01:02:17
articles, if you Google like California 4th largest economy,
01:02:20
they all just. Cite to this one article.
01:02:23
In the October 24, 2022 article, Winkler only claimed that
01:02:26
California was about to pattern me and not that it had already
01:02:29
done so. To quote Winkler, the margin of
01:02:31
Germany's nominal GDP of 4.22 trillion over California's 3
01:02:37
trillion last year was the smallest on record and is about
01:02:40
to disappear, with Europe's largest economy barely growing
01:02:43
in 2022 and forecast to shrink in 2023.
01:02:46
However, since wrinklers piece appeared emerging cracks in
01:02:49
California's economy wide and with major tech industry
01:02:51
layoffs, the collapse of Silicon Valley bank and the decreased
01:02:55
income tax revenue collections, the dollar has also declined
01:02:58
against euro. Although Germany's economy has
01:03:00
been largely stagnant in recent quarters, the country does have
01:03:03
one thing going for a bump in population.
01:03:05
While California's population has been shrinking in the 2020
01:03:08
to an estimated 39 million, Germany has now suppressed
01:03:11
84 residents due in part to immigration from Ukraine.
01:03:18
Let's see in a recent tweet, California's first partner,
01:03:20
Jennifer's the BL Newsom state. As the 4th largest economy in
01:03:23
the world, California wield significant market influence.
01:03:27
So not true. Not the 4th largest.
01:03:32
Not closing in the gap. So yeah, Fact Check.
01:03:39
Let's feel like we need another sound check.
01:03:41
It's like fact checked. I'd like to see it.
01:04:25
Zach Dell is not part of the interview.
01:04:27
That is an ad from YouTube. Care court is and for those who
01:05:10
don't understand what really is happening, care court is using
01:05:13
the conservatorship process where anybody can claim file a
01:05:19
petition for conservatorship over someone and take their
01:05:24
rights away. Also, it will allow those who
01:05:28
are arrested whether they want to go into.
01:05:32
Whether they want to go to jail or they want to go into
01:05:35
treatment. So for those who don't know what
01:05:37
care court is, that's basically what's happening.
01:05:40
And they've been trying to crack conservatorships and make it so
01:05:43
that anybody can just claim conservatorships and the state
01:05:46
can claim a conservatorship over you and throw you in a mental
01:05:51
institution and. That's coming.
01:05:55
That's starting October 2nd, so we'll see how that rolls out.
01:05:59
In my personal practice, I I actually.
01:06:02
Do conservatorships court appointed conservatorships?
01:06:04
And we still have no idea how that any of this is rolling out.
01:06:07
So we haven't gotten any updates from the state.
01:06:09
This is supposed to happen in two weeks already, and no one
01:06:12
has any idea what's happening. Actually, it's been about $20
01:06:26
billion, and homelessness has only gotten worse since Newsome
01:06:30
spent that money. So.
01:06:56
It's a preexisting condition that you have failed to solve
01:07:01
and only made it worse. Right.
01:07:03
He's had five. How many years now, Governor?
01:07:09
This will be his fifth year, right?
01:07:12
His fifth year, California, accounts for 12% of the United
01:07:17
States population but 30% of the United States homeless
01:07:22
population. That seems like a big
01:07:26
percentage. Yeah.
01:07:29
So. Great.
01:07:46
Pause. He claims affordability is a big
01:07:50
issue. I don't doubt that.
01:07:52
But he's not doing anything to make gas more affordable.
01:07:57
No. And.
01:08:00
Then now he brings up fentanyl. And yet, you know, he went in
01:08:04
there with SB14, which we've talked about many, many times,
01:08:06
where he, he was like you that which Republican bill.
01:08:10
And he went in and was like, you guys are going to pass this
01:08:12
after it didn't pass. And he made a big stink about
01:08:15
that. And then of course, he was the
01:08:15
hero of SB14. He didn't do that with these
01:08:18
fentanyl bills, No. It was only because there was a
01:08:22
public outcry. Yeah.
01:08:25
Yeah. And and we just did that episode
01:08:27
2 weeks ago about fentanyl. They.
01:08:29
Need to outgrow? Yeah.
01:08:31
And the fentanyl crisis is out of control here and he hasn't.
01:08:35
Well, he did increase the National Guard at the border
01:08:38
50%, so we have to give him credit for that.
01:08:41
Yes, so. You're right.
01:08:43
For those who you who heard the last episode, you'll know why
01:08:47
that's not that impressive of a number.
01:08:50
But yeah, I mean, it seems like he's he's not really taking
01:08:53
credit for any of this. That he has.
01:08:56
He's basically saying I haven't solved any of this.
01:08:59
We've thrown a ton of money at it, but it hasn't gotten better
01:09:03
and I can't seem to solve anything.
01:09:05
I mean, like you said, to your point, gas is more expensive,
01:09:08
housing is more expensive. Just wait until they require all
01:09:13
trucks, all semi trucks to be electric and sound like someone
01:09:19
threw something out our window. Wait until they they want all
01:09:23
semi trucks. To be electric, forcing the cost
01:09:27
on those who are driving trucks and delivering our cut our goods
01:09:31
to go skyrocketing because then they have to pay double or
01:09:34
triple for these trucks and then they have to charge the trucks
01:09:38
and then that slows down how much they can actually get here.
01:09:41
Wait until your groceries are delivered by those trucks and
01:09:44
see how expensive they are. So nothing's getting more
01:09:47
affordable in California. So yeah, affordability is an
01:09:52
issue. Didn't you just tell something
01:09:54
to about your San Diego water bill?
01:09:56
Oh yes, increase. Yeah, San Diego, well, this
01:09:59
isn't really Newsome's fault, but San Diego is going to like
01:10:03
they're we're going to see water costs rise by 20% in the next
01:10:07
couple of years. But it is coming like the whole
01:10:11
water thing that is the Sacramento issue.
01:10:14
I'll be the next thing I know, like my city is dealing with.
01:10:18
They're raising all their little taxes and rates.
01:10:21
And it's of course coming to all of us in our water bills.
01:10:23
Like where I live, we've definitely been dealing with
01:10:26
that. And I actually know he's not
01:10:28
now, but the he was the head of the board of the water district
01:10:33
in my area. And so I would ask him like,
01:10:35
what's going on here? And he would tell me and he
01:10:37
would go to Sacramento and like, talk to people, you know, and
01:10:39
he's like, here's what's coming out of Sacramento.
01:10:41
And This is why you're just to have the water connection was
01:10:45
like increasing like crazy, like you, didn't you?
01:10:48
Didn't you as a drop of water? But you were paying just to have
01:10:51
access to it like crazy, so yeah.
01:11:36
Fact Check This was from the center square in Florida.
01:11:43
How Florida's homelessness problem compares to the nation.
01:11:47
This was an article this year and based on their rankings,
01:11:52
California is the top. That's not surprising.
01:11:57
Homeless Individuals Without Shelter 67.
01:12:00
Percent total homeless population in 2022 is 171,
01:12:07
so change in homelessness has gone up in California.
01:12:12
While not great, Florida is number 11 so.
01:12:19
That's a big difference of three.
01:12:21
That's a huge difference in three they're homeless.
01:12:23
Individuals without shelter is 45.2.
01:12:26
Their homeless population is 25.
01:12:30
And actually, according to their statistics, it's gone down.
01:12:34
Changing homelessness from 2010 to 2022 has gone down 54.9%.
01:12:40
In that same time span, California has gone up 38.9%.
01:12:46
That's a huge difference. So no, Newsom, Florida is not
01:12:52
#3. And in fact, they've done an
01:12:53
incredible job of reducing the amount of homelessness in their
01:12:56
state. In fact, actually most of the
01:12:59
ones in the top ten before Florida have all reduced their
01:13:03
homelessness. I don't know what they're doing
01:13:05
with them. Mississippi is #2, but they've
01:13:07
reduced it in the past ten years 56.4%.
01:13:13
Georgia has reduced theirs 46.1%.
01:13:17
Texas has reduced theirs 30%. So those are huge numbers and
01:13:22
red states for all the the the crap he gives to red states.
01:13:28
They seem to be figuring out how to solve homelessness in, like
01:13:31
huge leaps and bounds. Meanwhile, California is going
01:13:36
the complete opposite direction. So.
01:13:38
Are they solving it or are they homeless people coming here?
01:13:41
It's either that or they're just putting them on catapults and
01:13:43
throwing them into the ocean. I don't know.
01:13:46
That's a joke for everybody who doesn't know that's a joke.
01:13:49
That's a joke. We shouldn't be putting almost
01:13:51
people on catapults and throwing them into the ocean.
01:13:54
Yeah, I don't know what how they're doing it, but.
01:13:57
Yeah, that's that's a lot of red states that are reducing it.
01:14:00
I don't know, maybe they are sending them here and maybe
01:14:02
that's why the number is. But either way, Florida is not
01:14:05
#3 and he likes to bash Florida, but in that case he is
01:14:12
completely wrong. So we got a couple more minutes
01:14:15
here. We're already 15 minutes over
01:14:17
our hour, but. I'll stop talking.
01:15:23
I'm going to stop it there because I think the fact that he
01:15:27
says we can stop sharing the screen now, the fact that he
01:15:32
says affordability has been a original sin of California,
01:15:38
Like, yeah, I get it. People want to live in
01:15:41
California. It's nice here, you know.
01:15:46
You want to live in San Diego. People want to live in Orange
01:15:48
County. People want to live in these
01:15:49
places. They're very nice places to
01:15:51
live. I've always had this theory that
01:15:54
if California was landlocked and had the weather of like North
01:15:58
Dakota, they wouldn't be able to get away with all this stuff
01:16:01
because they wouldn't have the beautiful lands and ocean shores
01:16:06
and weather and all that stuff to lure people here so that they
01:16:08
could look past all the horrible policies.
01:16:12
With that said, he talks about affordability as the original
01:16:15
sin of California. Yeah, nothing has been done
01:16:18
about it. They are now suing gas companies
01:16:24
because they think that they're hiding stuff on their carbon
01:16:27
footprint. They want them to do these
01:16:31
profit windfall taxes which didn't pass, thankfully.
01:16:36
They want to keep demonizing gas companies, gas and oil
01:16:39
companies. While gas now is closing it on
01:16:41
$7.00 a gallon, they supported Sequa, which prevents people
01:16:47
from building affordable housing.
01:16:49
So you can't say affordability is the original sin of
01:16:55
California and then do quite literally the opposite of
01:17:00
everything to make California more affordable.
01:17:03
That's that's just that's the like.
01:17:05
All these pipe dreams about carbon emissions and climate
01:17:09
change and all that stuff, you have to choose one or the other.
01:17:14
Do you want to achieve all these lofty goals so you look good at
01:17:18
the UN, or do you want to make it more affordable to live here
01:17:22
in California? Because a lot of this stuff that
01:17:25
happens here in California, why we're paying so much for
01:17:27
everything, it's not just because of natural outside
01:17:31
macroeconomics, It's a lot of it to do with California policies.
01:17:36
So he can say that all he wants. It's still not affordable.
01:17:41
So what are your thoughts? I agree, and it I am.
01:17:50
I don't know what his platform was when he ran for governor
01:17:52
initially, but if he's saying that this, you know, this is the
01:17:57
original sin, then didn't he come into the governorship
01:18:01
knowing that that should be tackled first hand?
01:18:04
It shouldn't have been a priority right off the bat.
01:18:06
Yeah, absolutely. I mean that that that should be
01:18:11
something. I think California Republicans
01:18:15
now, thanks to the younger core of those in the state
01:18:18
legislature are starting to grapple and start to get their
01:18:21
hands around this and make this sort of the core of their
01:18:24
policy, which is great. Affordability, at the end of the
01:18:28
day, is kitchen table politics and you know.
01:18:31
People don't care if the food that they're eating on that, you
01:18:34
know, and putting putting on the table to feed their families was
01:18:38
delivered with a truck that was run by diesel or was run by
01:18:43
electric. They just don't care.
01:18:45
They want to be able to feed their family.
01:18:47
They want to be able to go to bed and make sure their kids are
01:18:49
well fed. They want to be able to keep the
01:18:51
lights on. They want to be able to heat
01:18:53
their home when it's cold and maybe turn on the air
01:18:55
conditioning when it gets hot and run some water when they
01:18:58
want it. People just don't care.
01:19:02
And I think that's that's could be one of the core tenants of
01:19:07
any sort of opposition party is affordability make California
01:19:10
affordable again. Not to borrow the Trump saying,
01:19:13
but I mean that's basically the theory that should be going
01:19:17
forward is make California affordable again so that people
01:19:20
can live here and enjoy themselves.
01:19:22
Not going to say it's it's ever going to be super affordable.
01:19:25
It's never going to be like a lot of other places because
01:19:27
people do want to live here. There's high demand to live
01:19:29
here, but. For him to claim that's the
01:19:33
original sin of California and he's done literally everything
01:19:37
the opposite to make it even worse just goes to show you that
01:19:41
they don't really care about solutions, they care about
01:19:44
platitudes and and making it sound great.
01:19:47
And that's just Newsome in a nutshell.
01:19:50
So. Yeah.
01:19:53
But final thoughts on on Newsome and this interview before we
01:19:57
sign off for the night. Let me check my notes.
01:20:01
I think I kind of said what I wanted to say there was we
01:20:05
didn't. I don't think we showed it there
01:20:08
was at like 13 minutes like 13 1/2 minutes into it.
01:20:11
He's talks about De Santis is the ultimate authoritarian and
01:20:17
I'm like no, no, no, no that's that's you which we so if you
01:20:22
anyone that wants to go back and watch that he does kind of again
01:20:25
just another dig at De Santis and he's like no, no, you're.
01:20:29
It's you. You're not looking at DeSantis.
01:20:31
You're looking at a mirror. And it it did annoy me that he
01:20:38
just can't answer a question about California without
01:20:41
bringing up another state. I know I mentioned that earlier.
01:20:43
I think that's it. Yeah, I I think after that part
01:20:50
of the interview, it just kind of went into softballs.
01:20:54
He asked about Dianne Feinstein. Why is she still?
01:20:58
Senator If she needs someone to run her financial affairs with
01:21:02
power of attorney, it's a great question.
01:21:06
My answer is, because we are at the federal level, we no longer
01:21:10
have representatives. We have nobility, families like
01:21:13
medieval times, Lords and ladies.
01:21:16
That's really where we're at. It's all about names and royal
01:21:19
families. So that's why Feinstein is not
01:21:23
stepping down. He just deflected again on that.
01:21:28
I talked about how how he's had this long term relationship with
01:21:30
her and her age. She's just so great and she's
01:21:32
like family. Yeah, so she was not an answer
01:21:34
to the question. Basically, I was like, oh, I
01:21:36
interned with her and now I'm governor of California.
01:21:39
It's like, well, maybe that's a good argument for term limits if
01:21:43
you interned with her and now you're governor of California.
01:21:45
So that's a long stretch of time.
01:21:48
So yeah, that's that's basically that, that interview.
01:21:52
I don't know if we'll do the Dana Bash one.
01:21:54
I think Camille's probably going to need some time to recuperate
01:21:57
after this one. We can't do too many Newsome
01:21:59
interviews in a row. It melts up.
01:22:04
Wait till we do. The one where he talks to the UN
01:22:06
about climate change? Boy, our heads will really melt
01:22:08
on that one. That's right.
01:22:10
He's giving a speech to the UN on climate change and all that
01:22:13
stuff, so that one should be fun.
01:22:16
But anyway. We went a little bit over, but
01:22:18
that's fine because we like to provide you guys with the good
01:22:20
content and there was a lot to talk about on this one.
01:22:23
So yet next week, the 29th, if you're at California GOP
01:22:29
convention, you just haven't come by say hi.
01:22:33
Also, make sure you tune in live to that episode.
01:22:35
It's going to be a great episode.
01:22:36
It's going to be, I don't know, three hours long.
01:22:38
We're trying to shoot for like 3 hours long.
01:22:41
It might be broken up into pieces.
01:22:43
Yeah, it might be broken up, but we're trying to.
01:22:46
It's going to be like a block of like 3 hours.
01:22:48
We're going to be live streaming, we're going to all
01:22:50
the things, so then we're like interviewing and streaming in
01:22:54
between. So we're trying to do as much as
01:22:57
possible. Any any gossip that we learn,
01:23:00
we'll try to share. Yeah.
01:23:02
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01:23:12
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01:23:14
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