On this episode we take a walk down memory lane and discuss all that happened in the past three years since COVID happened. We also look at all the craziness that people engaged in as well as recommendations.
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What's going on everybody? Welcome to another episode of
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the California underground a podcast.
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I don't know why I took me a little bit to get that last word
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out probably because tonight is going to be a big night, talking
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about covid. And it's probably something that
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hasn't been talked about recently but it has been three
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years? Yes, it has been a full three
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years since that initial two weeks to flatten the curve
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announced here in the US and all of the world in California.
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Yeah, and we all went through, probably some of the most
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life-changing crazy scary, insane, two years of our lives.
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And I think that's basically what we're here to talk about is
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this nice round table of guests. We have tonight to go over all
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of that and go over our experiences.
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What were the craziest things? We saw?
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What were things? We can't believe that actually
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happened. Did we learn anything from three
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years later after covid-19? Or are we still sort of doing
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the same thing? I guess the new hotness is,
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there's a fungal infection. That's making its rounds through
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the United States. I just saw.
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So that's the new scary thing. It has landed in California.
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Hopefully it's not the next state of emergency but anyway,
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let's move on to our guests. First off, we have our old
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friend Natalie. Who's been on the show plenty of
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time. So talk about covid back to join
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us. Natalie how are you doing?
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Good to see you. Good.
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Thank you for having me back. Silent exact.
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You were here a couple weeks ago and I think you were sort of on
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the show that inspired this episode because we are watching
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videos and stuff about covid, and then we watch these videos
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and we were, like, you remember when they did haircuts outside
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and it's like, I feel like I blocked that out from PTSD.
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So, how are you doing tonight? SEC?
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Good and just man, just right now thinking about all the
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little things that were just like This is normal and you
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think now it's like man what were we doing?
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I mean, that it that whole conversation we had literally I
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kept thinking the rest of the night like I was talking to my
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girlfriend, like you remember when we had a, you know, we
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couldn't sit here but three feet over.
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We could sit here and then three feet over, we could adjust the
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bizarre ways we tried, you know, tried to get, you know,
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whatever. But yeah, I'm good though.
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Three years later, man, it feels like it's been ten year.
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We are we made it only for The we made it, made it made it out,
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one side of covid, into the financial banking collapse in
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the next fungal infection. So we are just wait war with
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Ukraine. So it's going to be great.
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And as always, my trusty co-host the best and fastest researcher
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in the west Camille. How are you doing tonight?
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Good, good. I'm just glad to be alive
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because you know I didn't think we would live through these last
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two years. Yeah yeah.
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Well that's what they made it. The winter of definitely made it
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sound like so Healthy. Why don't we go all the way back
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to the beginning and talk about everyone's like initial thoughts
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back three years ago in March when the world was very innocent
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and we all thought it was just going to be two weeks to flatten
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the car. 15 days to flatten the curve.
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Natalie, let's start with you. What were your initial thoughts
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when you heard the world was shutting down for these 15 days?
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Everyone stay home. Let's just let this maybe we'll
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flatten the curve by everyone. Staying home.
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What were your initial thoughts? Thoughts.
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Well, I have a special relationship with covid, or at
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least the response to covid because I was very much on a
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different side of things, when it all came down, but I was, I
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was on board with all of it, I was worried about losing my jobs
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which I lost on March 13th and 14th respectively.
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I had two jobs and never saw them again, but I was willing to
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do whatever it took. I you know, I wore a mask in the
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grocery store which was the only place I went and I was willing
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to do my part as they said and I was as Democrat as you could get
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and as liberal as you get his left just as you could get.
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So I was totally on board with everything and it seemed like
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something that was unprecedented.
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So I wanted to do whatever I could do.
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Zach, what were your initial thoughts when you heard that we
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were taking 50 days to flatten the Curve?
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Well, it was more like you're taking 15 days, just kind of
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like just hearing what our local and state, and city, or city and
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county and everything that they were saying, I could not
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believe. I literally could not believe
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it. I mean, I went to school for
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international relations, right? So comparative government and
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politics is me understanding how other systems and cultures work.
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And so I'm familiar with like certain certain rules of
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countries but never did I actually think Think the way and
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the mannerism and the tone that these elected officials came at
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the public, I never in a million years thought I'd be alive to
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see that here and so quickly did it just become, you know what,
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right went to see, right? When they said, two weeks, I
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knew that was BS, right? When they gave us a deadline, or
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gave us a timeline given all the scary stuff, they were showing
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there. They all just two weeks like no,
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no, there's there's something else going on and of course, by
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me in, you know, Senior waiting. Like this is going to be a lot
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larger and a lot longer, you know, I forgot my tinfoil hat
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but I was called a conspiracy theorist like two weeks.
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Was it man? Like chill, like quit being
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because it was day one, I was living in PB all the
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restrictions came on the beach. I was going to the beach every
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day to get some fresh air to walk after my gym session.
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So it was a part of my daily routine and then seeing tape on
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certain benches that were already 20 feet apart and you
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couldn't sit between that bench but 20 feet over is it was
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ludic, it was ludicrous and I was trying to make sense of it
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by having fun with it because it couldn't take it serious.
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It was like this isn't such a charade for, you know, seeing
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how almost half our government can go.
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And you know, whether that's was the case or not, surely showed,
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let's just say the government. Got a lot of data from from day
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one till even now and so yeah I mean I'm kind of going on a
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tangent but just that initial phase Just I didn't, it didn't
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sit well with me. I don't already.
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I have a very healthy skepticism built into my DNA.
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So, right off the bat. I'm like, I don't trust Nathan
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Fletcher. Telling me he cares about my
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health or Todd Gloria saying he wants to take care of, you know,
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like that was already a red flag.
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So just that was difficult because everybody else seemed to
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be just completely on board, a lot of people to where it was
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like, You felt like you were crazy, but you knew something
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was more to this and you knew you like I knew I was, I was
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onto something, I just didn't know what but it was.
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It's easier to say now than then, because then you're
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getting bombarded, I'm getting death threats.
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I'm getting people told telling me, you know, I hope your lungs,
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fill up with covid and you died in a concentration camp with
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your family, very specific, because I, you know, that one
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stuck with me. But just the DM's I would
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receive just because I'd go out to the beach and record, like,
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kind of Like poke fun at it. Like this is kind of silly guys.
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Like let's let's like let's get out of this like days or
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hypnosis that we've gotten put into very quickly and kind of
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see how Out-of-pocket a lot of this is, but yeah, that was a, I
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remember that week very strongly because even at work, people
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were like, well, you know, I'll see you next year and like
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something didn't sit with me while because I'm like, we
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probably will see each other in a year later because this is
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just going to become mass and I just felt it but you know, you
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don't know what's happening but it was I don't think you had
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better foresight than I probably did.
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I was very I was the hopeful optimistic being like, oh, we'll
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get out of it. Then I will get out of it then.
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And then when Trump said, oh, will be open by Easter.
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I was like, sure, why not will be, if the president says, will
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be open by Easter, then we're going to be open by Easter
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Camille. We actually, we didn't meet
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until after covid started. So I don't really know like how
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what were your thoughts when covid first started?
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All over the place. And okay.
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So first of all, I have kids, one of them's asthmatic.
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I also have always homeschooled, my kids, my daughter my
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asthmatic daughter, I believe she actually had covid at the
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end of 2019 because she will often get during flu season.
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She'll get a flu and it turns to pneumonia and it's a whole
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thing. And she was super, super sick
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and actually lost her like smell and taste and all that and We
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went to the doctor. She did not have Pneumonia.
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So I believe she had covid already but because she gets so
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sick and we have to like we've prevented we've been able to
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keep her out of the hospital, but we've been very close to
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getting her in the hospital. Previously.
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In fact, their 2018 hospitals were full and couldn't take her
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and she was supposed to be hospitalized.
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That's a whole other Story. The world wasn't shut down then
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but we, she was like, if you're sick, stay home.
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I believe that like don't spread yourself.
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Sickness. I always would get upset when
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people like have their sick kids at church and they're like,
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coughing all, you know, like no stay home.
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I'm all for that, but, um, I mean I don't believe in the
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government telling you do that but like common sense, you know,
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asking home you're sick. So we were like quarantined for
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like three months because of her, trying to keep her safe,
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trying to keep her healthy. And we had just come out of that
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in February it like like, mid-February the end of every or
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something. And so I'm also very
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introverted, I'm such a homebody, I hate people, I hate
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going out. I was like Homeschool mom.
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Don't tell me like, you know, I don't like people.
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You don't have to tell me to stay home but actually no I
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don't agree with like I'm also rebellious like you tell me not
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to do something and that's like, okay, suddenly extrovert Camille
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comes out and I'm like now I also live in Orange County.
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You guys had. We weren't as crazy here.
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Where I'm I live in a pretty conservative area and like, our
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Sheriff was like, we're not going to be, you know, we're not
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going to cite you. They were trying to propose
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curfews and stuff like that and immediately Lately my sisters
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and I were just like, all right, fine, we're going out.
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We're like we're showing up, you know, that's kind of how we
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were. But but I was cautious because
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of my daughter. Like the, you know, as a parent,
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the last thing, the world don't want your kid to be
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hospitalized. And like I said, like with her
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ozma, it is pretty bad. She also will get a collapsed
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lung. She had to have, like she had
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hip surgery when she was first born like all these things.
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And so it was like, for me, of course, I'm going to keep her
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safe, like, that's my thing. So we didn't know like, you
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know, we're hearing this weird. Long infection whatever, we
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didn't know all the details. So I was like, okay, I have to
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keep her safe. Yes.
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Absolutely. But again I've never ever been
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one. That's like the government's
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going to tell me what to do. You know I've always been the
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way we've talked about it. Like I for school like I was one
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of those people, you know, trying to overturn Bill's
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passing out that like if the signature collecting years and
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years ago because I believed in parental rights, like my it's my
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job. It's my, it's my job.
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To protect her. It's not your job to protect her
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if I need to keep my daughter home fine.
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But that's not for any of you guys to do, you know?
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So that's where I was at. Yeah, yeah, it's a I think
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everybody went through something completely individual and it's
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interesting. I don't want to liken it to
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like, I mean, it almost is on the scale like 9/11.
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Like I think everybody kind of remembers where they were and
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specifically because it's a big deal and I think it's something
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that doesn't happen. Hasn't happened in our country
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and everyone sort of remembers exactly where they were and what
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they were specifically going through.
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And I like that this panel has like a, we all have a
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cross-section of like different experiences and what we were
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doing. I was actually with Yvonne at
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that time my then girlfriend now wife and we decided the world
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shutting down. We have nothing to do.
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Why don't we go down to t.j. and have lunch.
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It was easy crossing the border. It was easy, getting back across
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the border. Order that was back.
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When I had to walk across the border, she would just drop me
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off. And I remember I walked into you
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will, if you've gone down the TJ, there's one place you can
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walk across. It's the one of The Pedestrian
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walkways. You walk all the way down this
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big bridge and you walk into the Customs.
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On the American side, there was nobody in line, it was very
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eerie, nobody was in line, got all the way up to the costumes.
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Everyone was just sitting there kind of staring at me, like What
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are you doing? How's the only person in there?
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And I was like, I didn't think it was that big of a deal at the
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time, but I like I said, I was a hopeless soap optimistic.
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I thought that we were going to get out of it sooner or later.
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I was watching all the Press briefings going.
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Maybe we'll get some good news. Maybe we'll figure out.
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We're coming out of this. Maybe we're not going to be
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stuck in this. I felt a sense of at one point
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and I don't know if you guys went through this as well.
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I did feel a sense of like frustration mixed with
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depression like at a certain point I just it began to feel
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hopeless. Like I think it's like three or
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four months in of doing the same thing every day, which was you
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get up. I was, you know, working at home
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at that time did whatever I could while I was working
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business was slow, maybe sit on the couch, we'd go for a walk,
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you know, down in PB. So I could walk down to the
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beach, just to get some exercise, all the gym.
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We're closed. Couldn't go on the beach.
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Everything was taped off, but I remember.
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I got to this point where I just looked at Yvonne's like And I
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was like I think I said to her my goddamn.
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Am I depressed? Like this is depressing.
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Like this sucks. Hmm.
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Like I'm really over this and I wonder how many other if I felt
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that you know it I wonder how many people who were already
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struggling with depression with spiral them like completely out
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of control because if I at least had somebody with me and life
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was fine and we were, we were okay like nothing was going bad
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happening to us. yeah, but people who were like dealing
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with stuff that must have really sent them into a tailspin.
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Like, I don't know if you guys experienced that or know
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somebody who experienced that, so, I yes.
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Yeah, I always liked it and it made me no longer a Democrat.
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Okay, talk about. I had a very hard time.
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I lived alone. I live with a roommate that I
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didn't know that, well, that I met on Craigslist.
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And as I said, I was very, very reasonable in the beginning
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because we had never experienced this before, and I tried to
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follow the rules and all of this, but once it became two
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weeks, turned into Months and then three months and so on and
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so forth. I started to have Real questions
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about it because I wasn't doing well, mentally.
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And then I would try to go to the parks around me, you know,
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in Los Angeles to work out and they would be caution taped off.
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And it seemed crazy to me because it was like in the Sun
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and, and it was 6 feet apart already, all the machines and
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all of this. And I would start to, like, tear
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down the caution tape, just to work out and then it would be
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up, two days later and it seemed it started to slowly.
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He seemed to me, I would did not catch on right away, but it
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slowly. It was like, okay, well I'm
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trying to stay healthy. I have nothing else to do.
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I'm trying to say physically and mentally healthy and they don't
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want it to happen, and it was really hard for me.
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I didn't have a partner. I didn't have too many friends
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and I lay my family is not in LA and it was really, really
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challenging and everywhere. I look Nobody cared about other
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people who are struggling from things other than susceptibility
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to covid and that changed my whole life because Democrats
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didn't care. And it, I, you know, this is
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kind of ten gentle, but it's, I had hated Donald Trump before
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that and it turned me on to Donald Trump because of what you
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said he was talking about opening the country by Easter,
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which did not happen. But he seemed to me to be the
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only person and I hate it. Um, so much I don't remember why
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who was talking about opening the country and I really needed
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to open the country. I like really needed to go back
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to work for financial reasons and also which is another thing.
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People forget just for like a sense of purpose and mental
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health reasons, and a reason to get up in the morning and for
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people to know that you're not alive or still alive or you're
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sick, or where is she like? Nobody knew.
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And I was just so isolated and it was one of the hardest times
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in my life. And it changed my whole life.
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Yeah, it's a I think. Yeah, we've talked about your
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story before and your story is definitely.
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I think similar to probably thousands of people who probably
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went through that and said, you know, I trusted the government.
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Yeah, I thought that they had my best interest at heart.
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And then I find out like, nope, they don't.
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And, and that was one of the most depressing things about
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this, all was that, and I was frustrated, Straining to me, was
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that you could see the suffering of people like everyday working
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Californians, who were like that had put like their whole life on
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the line and just started a restaurant like a couple months
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before covid hit and they lose everything in like, where's the
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bailout for the person who opened the restaurant covid?
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Nowhere. They don't you know, they had to
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suffer from bankruptcy people who may have moved to California
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under the pretense that they had a job and then they got here and
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there is no job. So I mean I work in the
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restaurant industry for several years and I have my heart broke
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for all the people who were in the service industry who had no
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job and they had no prospects and like they they were living
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paycheck. To paycheck and they were
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living, you know, I know I know that pirate lifestyle of like
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you're only as good is this weekend's tips and it's like oh
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you know we live till next weekend and that's usually the
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the service industry lifestyle. It's not like they have a lot of
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savings or anything like that so it is heartbreaking and you
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think of like it's not only service industry, it's house
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cleaners. It's people who do a lot of
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these jobs that can't afford to lose them.
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We're suffering. Yeah, it because your job is
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essential, if it's your job. I mean, it was steam, not
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essential and it's absurd. Like, my job is essential to me.
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And there was Zero regard zero, because I was so, on the left,
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I'm so Democrat. But there was Zero regard from
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all of those people for anyone. Other than the people who might
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die from covid, there was none. Big nothing about, are you going
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to survive this financially? Are you going to survive it and
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mental health? Why's it was none.
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Nothing. And if there had been any, I
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would probably wouldn't be sitting here today talking to
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you guys, but there was none. And I was waiting for something,
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because I was not, you know, I was not rebellious and I was not
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on the right and I was not anything, but there was nothing
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like no Lifeline whatsoever. Yeah, so it's got a probably get
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you upset when you hear all these politicians currently
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campaigning about how such a good job, they did saving the
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county because that's what, you know, that's what we got here.
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We've got everyone patting themselves on the back and it's
00:20:38
like, you know, and I started fed up with, with sped up with
00:20:41
Fletcher, in 2021. You know, I had my own energy to
00:20:48
keep that going and I was paying attention to the policies and
00:20:51
everything that's going on. So I had that already in my back
00:20:53
pocket. What?
00:20:55
I didn't expect but got for the last I mean till still to this
00:20:59
day was a lot of people coming up to me whether privately or in
00:21:04
person and sharing with me what they went through, how they got
00:21:09
destroyed, how they lost everything how they're starting
00:21:12
again and starting from scratch. And and like you said the Guard
00:21:17
that their local elected officials paid to them when it's
00:21:20
like, this is suffering to, you know, this is me losing
00:21:23
everything. I've built, where's the is the
00:21:25
regard for that? And, you know, they, that's why
00:21:31
that's why there's like, a hint of sociopath or something in
00:21:35
some of these people because especially here in San Diego,
00:21:38
you can't listen to 16 hours of a meeting hearing people
00:21:43
pleading to you that your policies are damaging industry.
00:21:46
Throwing people's lives and then you're like, where's that all
00:21:49
the comments? All right, let's vote this.
00:21:52
No Amendment no discussion. Let's just let's just lock
00:21:54
things down, you know, regardless of teachers, doctors
00:21:58
police military, everybody. You can think of coming up for
00:22:02
the first time ever and giving everything they have to try and
00:22:05
sway people, that should should be swayable to a degree as they
00:22:10
represent the public. But it you know it didn't matter
00:22:13
whatsoever and that to me like, you know, I I started off in a
00:22:17
pandemic knowing this is this is there's more to it, this just
00:22:22
solidified like oh man, these guys are just power grabbing the
00:22:26
as much as they can and are seeing what they can get away
00:22:29
with. And then you add in the funding
00:22:31
and then you add in all the little like State funding and
00:22:34
the covid emergency funds and relief funds, going into
00:22:38
lobbyists and firms and you know, helping campaign
00:22:41
re-elections. You're like oh this was never
00:22:44
about health. Well, yeah, especially What they
00:22:48
started promoting when they actually got the vaccine for it
00:22:51
and it was like to promote the vaccine and they were like, have
00:22:53
a free Krispy, Kreme, you know, that's how, you know, 20/20
00:22:57
started out, so weird and so many ways even like, unrelated a
00:23:01
covid, my youngest daughter stopped talking, she was eight
00:23:05
years old and she completely went mute, and she had kind of
00:23:10
historically done that before for like a day or two.
00:23:13
And we always thought, oh, she's just being stubborn.
00:23:14
Like it was a whole weird thing but then Then after a few days
00:23:18
in February of 2020 were like this weird, this isn't right,
00:23:21
again, this is not related to covid, but we, we were trying to
00:23:26
find a therapist who actually had dealt with this before,
00:23:31
whatever. This was we didn't you know we
00:23:32
didn't know what it was at the time but then we were also in
00:23:35
the middle of switching insurance and we finally found
00:23:38
the therapist who had dealt with.
00:23:39
It's called Progressive mutism. And that's what she was
00:23:42
diagnosed with and you never know how long.
00:23:44
It's Just like an extreme anxiety disorder and you never
00:23:48
know how long they will stop talking.
00:23:50
Like, when I got on these message boards and started
00:23:53
researching it, I'm finding people who hadn't heard their
00:23:55
kids speaking like eight years literally.
00:23:57
Okay. So she was, she stopped talking
00:24:01
quickly, stop talking. So we finally find this
00:24:04
therapist who's like, oh, I dealt with this, with one of
00:24:06
their patients who didn't speak for like three years.
00:24:08
And I got him talking and were like, okay, so we went, he was
00:24:11
local to us. We were in the middle of
00:24:13
switching insurance, but he accepted our new insurance.
00:24:16
Ernst and stuff. So we had one meeting with him
00:24:18
and then my daughter had one meeting with him with us, then
00:24:21
everything shut down. And so then he was like oh you
00:24:24
have to meet on zoom and she sat here at my computer on Zoom with
00:24:28
him with her head down and cried for an hour and like again as a
00:24:33
parent like it was like so heartbreaking and I don't know
00:24:38
if she would have been like that in person but she wasn't like
00:24:41
that the previous week in person and it was just like this is
00:24:45
what we're doing. Two kids like I kind of ranted
00:24:48
about it yesterday and entire generation.
00:24:54
I had that same time that same week actually a friend of mine
00:25:00
from but I had been friends with all this.
00:25:01
My entire life, my same age, had died a whole tragic surgery,
00:25:04
gone wrong. He didn't wake up from the
00:25:07
surgery was on life support and they had two bull's-eyes for and
00:25:10
handed a passing away. That same week that my daughter
00:25:12
stop talking. And so we went to his funeral
00:25:17
Which I read that I've reconnected with like a lot of
00:25:19
my high school friends because we all went to his funeral and
00:25:22
we've gotten together that weekend and then so we were all
00:25:25
kind of checking with each other and we're all talking like we're
00:25:28
hearing these rumors were going to shut it down so we're all you
00:25:30
know like okay. Are you okay?
00:25:31
Is everyone okay. And then I definitely learned
00:25:35
two of my friends were which were not everyone.
00:25:38
That I was friends with did not come out with me on the other
00:25:41
side of 2020. Now of course you have those
00:25:43
like long-term friends that you meet up with every like I have
00:25:45
them but the That Our Roots hanging out with.
00:25:48
They are not in my life at all because for me, I was going
00:25:52
through this like trauma. If you will this traumatic
00:25:55
experience of my daughter, just not talking and trying to deal
00:25:59
with that. And then getting her the help,
00:26:01
and then everything shuts down, and people are being weird and
00:26:03
they're having their so-called quarantine Cruise, which is
00:26:06
really just a fancy way of being.
00:26:08
Like, I don't wanna be friends with you.
00:26:09
So I'm going to use, you know, covid as an excuse to put down
00:26:13
my life. And I felt like, I was like
00:26:15
checking in with everybody, you know.
00:26:16
Nobody was checking in with me, especially as I'm going through
00:26:19
this experience with my daughter and I'm like, hey I'm here.
00:26:21
I exist you care. Like, does anyone want to like
00:26:23
not that I need all this attention?
00:26:25
I don't mean like that but like, could you maybe send me a text
00:26:28
once a month to see how I'm doing?
00:26:30
Because yeah, you know, I was going for the grocery going to
00:26:33
the grocery stores for my friends who were, like, afraid
00:26:35
to go out and I'm, and they left me, I mean, they literally are
00:26:39
not my friends because of my politics and I'm like, I was
00:26:42
your Lifeline. I was checking in with you.
00:26:45
I was making sure that You could exist, I made sure you had food
00:26:48
on your front porch because you were too scared to go out and
00:26:51
you dropped me. So that was a learning
00:26:55
experience for sure. I think that's an experience a
00:27:00
lot of us had, but, you know, going into 20 are going into
00:27:03
covid with set group of friends and family and then post post
00:27:09
covid or whatever. You know, we've lost a lot of
00:27:12
them. I know, I, I've lost some family
00:27:15
and a lot of my closer Circle, right?
00:27:18
And, you know, and I've even had some of them dry to try to
00:27:21
reconnect with me. Some of them to reluctantly say,
00:27:25
oh, you may have been right about this.
00:27:27
Us and then others. Like man, I'm glad I was paying
00:27:30
attention, but the rest are just probably still running their
00:27:34
mouth about me in a negative way.
00:27:35
But that's that's what this did. This did psychosis on people to
00:27:40
wear it made. It's like I've been your friend
00:27:42
for 15 years. I don't care.
00:27:43
Go down, you know like that it's weird cause you're like, you
00:27:47
know me, you know my heart like just because I belong with you
00:27:50
on that issue, we can be friends now, it's Yeah, crazy.
00:27:56
Yeah, I mean I lost Zach you're lucky that there are family
00:28:00
members who've actually reach back out to you because I've had
00:28:02
family members who just cut me off and won't talk to me ever
00:28:06
again, they won't respond to Instagram as did I say they
00:28:10
reached out that somebody, like, reluctantly may have come back
00:28:13
around some friends or family friends.
00:28:18
Okay. Yeah.
00:28:20
I haven't. Had anybody reach up back out to
00:28:22
me in terms of like just disagreeing and he was Like the
00:28:26
simplest. It wasn't.
00:28:29
I definitely wasn't like a conspiracy tinfoil hat.
00:28:32
Like saying all the like the craziest theories you could say
00:28:36
I wasn't saying like covid doesn't exist.
00:28:38
It was a government conspiracy. I wasn't saying that like I
00:28:40
acknowledge. Oh yeah, no more getting sick
00:28:42
like yeah, I don't know if I got sick in January when I got
00:28:46
really sick and they couldn't tell what I had.
00:28:48
But I knew people were getting sick.
00:28:51
It's not like I sit here going covid doesn't exist.
00:28:54
It's all cover comes conspiracy to take.
00:28:56
Jump down and stuff like that. Yeah, I was basically just
00:28:59
saying maybe looking at the numbers and I would look at the
00:29:03
numbers every single day in California because they posted
00:29:05
him and I'd be like, look, guys are fatality rate is still less
00:29:11
than a percent and you know, it's among older people in
00:29:16
people who are obese and we know like the people who are most at
00:29:20
risk. So why don't we protect those
00:29:22
people and let everybody else go back to work.
00:29:26
Like if get exposed to it which I don't know if there's a lot to
00:29:30
say on YouTube, I think natural immunities.
00:29:32
Okay, now I think they've admitted that natural
00:29:34
immunities. Okay.
00:29:35
Now and I had friends and family who are like, why do why do you
00:29:40
think we should go back to work and why do you think we should
00:29:43
do all this? I got called a racist because I
00:29:47
wanted to go back and have dinner at a restaurant.
00:29:50
I was like lamenting about. I just want to be able to go sit
00:29:53
back inside for a restaurant. I want to go sit on a pavement
00:29:57
outside and a street to pay all this, what a selfish agency that
00:30:01
you were Yeah, because I want to go to a restaurant but how dare
00:30:11
you call yourself pro-life. Yeah, yeah that's always.
00:30:15
The comeback is like I thought you were pro-life and you want
00:30:19
everyone to go back to work. Okay.
00:30:24
Pretend like you care? Exactly.
00:30:26
I'm Pro people who need to go back to work.
00:30:29
So yeah, I'm Pro their lives. So I guess moving along down
00:30:36
that, why like at what point did you?
00:30:39
I mean there was a point where we were kind of all in Shell
00:30:43
Shock from what had happened from, closing it down, it was
00:30:47
the middle of a presidential year and Joe Biden was
00:30:50
campaigning from his basement. It was just such a hard out here
00:30:54
like it was so weird. I mean I was the nerd who like
00:30:59
was paying attention to a lot of local politics before then, And
00:31:03
no one really cared about local politics at what point did any
00:31:07
of you guys start to finally go? Okay?
00:31:09
Now I'm going to start paying attention to my local politics
00:31:11
and I'm getting frustrated with no politics Natalie.
00:31:15
I know you're up in LA and they just seemed like they were off
00:31:18
on like Cuckoo Land Barbara Ferrara like the public health
00:31:22
director up there. She still wanted to like, have
00:31:25
mass long after like everyone else was done with it by July of
00:31:29
2022, I think she's still talking about.
00:31:32
Always bringing them back. she always threatens like always on
00:31:37
I think it wasn't that long ago that she was like, yeah.
00:31:40
It was like, a couple months ago, she was like, it might be
00:31:43
time to bring Mass back. I'm like, yes.
00:31:46
Are you serious? Its 2020 channel of that and
00:31:49
you're thinking about bringing magic back.
00:31:52
So at what point did you guys start to like follow local
00:31:55
politics closely and like get more and more frustrated with
00:31:59
like these local politicians dictating every part of your
00:32:02
life. For me, it was, it was summer
00:32:08
2020. In La when I was told I was
00:32:13
already starting to have some, some questions after being
00:32:17
totally on board with everything, what I was told that
00:32:20
I could go out and protest, but I couldn't go to work.
00:32:25
That was the end for me and that was when I started, I left the
00:32:28
Democrat Party and I started being concerned about what's
00:32:30
going on locally to, because I didn't have a car at the time, I
00:32:35
would walk around La and Have jobs, and I would see what you
00:32:38
said. All these mom and pop shops.
00:32:39
Everybody closed down again because of the protests or riots
00:32:45
and they just been allowed to open again, just barely and with
00:32:47
all these restrictions and they had to board their doors again,
00:32:50
and put up signs, you know, black-owned whatever else.
00:32:54
And that blew my mind that I could not go to work and I was
00:32:58
being told that read like you know, whatever white white
00:33:02
fragility this and that but I couldn't I couldn't go to work.
00:33:06
And I like really needs to go to work and to your point about,
00:33:09
you know, essential businesses, and, you know, needing to go to
00:33:13
work and all this. I all I heard from my Democrat,
00:33:17
friends was not to paint them all with a broad brush.
00:33:19
But all I heard from my Democrat friends was I was just, you
00:33:23
know, it's white, women wanting to go get their hair done and
00:33:26
it's like well, okay. But who's doing their hair
00:33:28
though? Like and it's multiple people
00:33:30
wanting to go get their hair done.
00:33:31
But who's doing the hair, the hair dressers, you know, and it
00:33:34
was just there was no regard for Are all of these mom-and-pop
00:33:37
shops and everybody closing down and that was when I wanted to
00:33:42
know what was going on in LA. And I started, I never been
00:33:45
political before that. Never didn't know anything about
00:33:48
politics at all. Had forgotten everything from
00:33:50
civics class in school and I realized it was wrong.
00:33:55
It was crazy. What was going on in in Los
00:33:57
Angeles? It's crazy still unfortunately.
00:33:59
But that was the moment summer 2020.
00:34:03
Now, what question, sorry. Yeah, you could.
00:34:06
Protests like with the all em and stuff but you couldn't
00:34:10
protest the lockdowns right? Yeah.
00:34:12
Floyd's death. Yeah.
00:34:14
I remember being encouraged and that was not just an l.a. thing
00:34:17
to be fair. That was nationally, I remember
00:34:19
seeing articles in the New York Times.
00:34:21
I'm sure you guys saw them doctors signing letters.
00:34:23
Don't shut down the protest for Floyd's death.
00:34:26
This is important and it was like and I was so important I
00:34:29
was I was on board with BLM, I was on board with everything but
00:34:32
it was like, okay. Is it emergency though or is not
00:34:35
an emergency? Because and I support your right
00:34:38
to protest even though I kind of disagree with or purchasing
00:34:41
here, but are we in a global pandemic or are we not?
00:34:46
And they did not care then and to there to be fair, they were
00:34:50
all outside. So probably was safe, you know,
00:34:52
which I think we knew at the time, but they weren't really
00:34:54
saying. But it was just that hypocrisy
00:34:58
of. Yeah.
00:34:59
Let's gather in Mass to protest or Riot because there was
00:35:02
rioting going on in l.a. Let's be honest, but not go back
00:35:06
to work. Work at all and it was like if
00:35:07
you go into a restaurant, it's like five people and the, you
00:35:10
know, plastic and everything. And that that blew my mind.
00:35:14
It was crazy to me. Just to piggyback off of the
00:35:19
protests. So that's all so crazy to think
00:35:23
that that was fit. Yeah, this whole covid bubble.
00:35:27
Was this whole Saga of what that meant?
00:35:30
What it led to what it, you know?
00:35:33
And and like you said, like I my, you know, over the last,
00:35:36
maybe 10 years I have been unfortunately exposed to severe
00:35:43
and disturbing police brutality Hose and things that just you
00:35:51
just I mean just right now get me, worked up to see that you
00:35:54
know certain people are certainly treated in a certainly
00:35:57
different way and that the what the black lives matter movement
00:36:01
essentially was trying to point out like I totally was on board
00:36:04
with so when they had protests and Gatherings here III went to
00:36:09
him as well. I, you know, in the daytime I
00:36:11
didn't stay at night when things I knew were going to get crazy
00:36:14
but like I was right on board with Eating this.
00:36:17
This I was even on. NBC news.
00:36:20
They caught me in the camera or caught me in the crowd this when
00:36:23
I was there. But what I like you just said,
00:36:28
what I really got caught up on is that the protests seem to be
00:36:32
incapable of spreading covid, yet.
00:36:35
The people who wanted to protest the lockdowns and mandates with
00:36:39
super spreader events and they were very clear on demonizing
00:36:44
this group going out in public together all at once.
00:36:46
Yeah. And being loud and versus this
00:36:49
group doing the same thing. May be a little more intense.
00:36:51
But yeah, no issue there and that again, it's just things
00:36:54
like that. I mean, you are you feel you
00:36:56
ass? Like, when did we start getting
00:36:58
involved in politics? I mean, I started in 2011 at 17.
00:37:02
So I've been, I've been kind of in this realm watching a lot of
00:37:06
drama over the years. But seeing how this happened in
00:37:09
the hypocrisy, like you said, is just it seemed way too.
00:37:14
I hate to use the word scripted, but it just felt so, So phony
00:37:17
and such a performance in such a, the way they were trying to
00:37:21
mentally Jim. You know, mental gymnastics to
00:37:23
justify why this was okay in a pandemic.
00:37:27
But this was not and I think, I think like you said, many of my
00:37:31
Democrat friends, kind of more like wait a minute.
00:37:35
Like there's there's a there's a There's something inconsistent
00:37:40
here, but others seem to make sense of what we're they were
00:37:44
being told. They seem to think protests were
00:37:46
completely safe but those are super spreader events and
00:37:49
they're all wanting. They all want Grandma's to die
00:37:51
and whatnot. But yeah.
00:37:53
In poverty moccasin. You aside like it's only about
00:37:57
white women who want to get their hair cut.
00:38:00
I mean I mean I guess that includes Nancy Pelosi who was
00:38:02
caught on camera. Like what's-her-name from
00:38:08
Chicago Lori, lights out. Yeah, she got a also weird
00:38:13
haircut and she had to come out and say Melissa and I'm a public
00:38:16
servant. I have to look nice.
00:38:18
No Gavin. Newsom was definitely going in
00:38:21
front of my professionally done weakly.
00:38:25
Wow. Oh yeah, he never had his hair
00:38:27
out of place out of here on place ever Nancy.
00:38:32
Pelosi definitely got her Roots, did at all that, or highlights
00:38:35
or Ever, but, I mean, that very thing I didn't even know.
00:38:39
Gavin, Newsome was our governor. Like, I was so out of touch.
00:38:42
I did not know anything. I'd like barely voted, but when
00:38:46
that came out, that this man was like in The French Laundry or
00:38:50
whatever doing this, I was like, okay that's it, I don't want
00:38:53
him, I didn't even vote for him. I didn't I didn't vote at all.
00:38:56
I didn't know anything that was going on, but this made me like
00:38:59
perk up and be like, nope, no, no, no, to all of you because
00:39:03
this is crazy. This is crazy.
00:39:04
What you're doing is So it was so clear.
00:39:07
Yeah, let's talk about that for a minute.
00:39:10
I'm just going to say, let's, let's go down this road.
00:39:12
Let's talk about all the political hypocrisy that went
00:39:16
on. During those two years, I mean
00:39:17
you have Nancy Pelosi you have. Gavin is not the French
00:39:20
launcher. You have Gavin Newsom going to
00:39:22
Kabul in the middle of a state of emergency.
00:39:25
I mean there's so many examples of people who were engaging and
00:39:28
hypocrisy and they tried to rationalize it away, like oh
00:39:33
it's because we have to do this or because we have to get out or
00:39:38
I don't know. There's there's so many examples
00:39:39
of Uncle hypocrisy, which I don't think help their cause and
00:39:43
a lot of people probably scratch their head and say, wait a
00:39:46
second. I mean, I the people who tried
00:39:49
to defend Gavin news like Nathan Fletcher at The French Laundry,
00:39:52
that was some impressive mental gymnastics to be like, well,
00:39:57
technically, that County isn't in a bad like it's not in a red
00:40:03
collar according to our tier system.
00:40:06
So like that restaurant could be open so like he's not breaking.
00:40:10
Any of his own will and it's like, that's not the point,
00:40:12
dude, like, no, you're telling everyone to stay home and not do
00:40:16
stuff and you're having a birthday dinner.
00:40:19
A birthday dinner with, like, 15 people like, isn't it supposed
00:40:24
to be? What was the rule for
00:40:25
Thanksgiving? No more than four can also make
00:40:32
sure you are outside, six, feet apart and excuse me.
00:40:37
Like, you know, you're not gonna tell me that.
00:40:40
Over an hour. You know how fan blowing have
00:40:45
the windows open, you can put up a screen but no just kidding.
00:40:53
Yeah, they're telling people at theme parks try not to think
00:40:55
about. Remember that dude, what I left
00:41:02
my church when they okay first of all my pastor was here on a
00:41:07
work visa from another country. So I had like Grace for that.
00:41:11
I was like, okay I get it, he's like learning the ropes, he's
00:41:14
new, you know, doesn't want to get sent back, that's okay.
00:41:19
But then when they finally did somewhat reopen and then they
00:41:22
were Okay, we need you to register for church and we're
00:41:25
going to have some people outside and some people inside,
00:41:27
were not going to sing and I was like oh no no goodbye goodbye.
00:41:32
No we're not like know that just told me and I don't want to like
00:41:38
sit here and like taco bad about him as a person but that just
00:41:43
kind of showed me like Who as a pastor like.
00:41:46
Okay you need to open up your Bible mom not the child sneezing
00:41:51
like not Not these government papers.
00:41:55
Like you're living in fear to man and not living in fear to
00:41:58
God. And therefore, I don't respect
00:41:59
you as a pastor, I'm gone. Yeah.
00:42:03
But that's a good point about there was so much of, like, I
00:42:07
don't know what past pandemics were like, but you probably
00:42:10
didn't go. And it was probably, it's either
00:42:12
safe to go into a restaurant or it's not, it's not safe enough
00:42:15
to go into a restaurant, but then you have to wear a mask and
00:42:17
then take it off. Pretty, pretty much go to the
00:42:19
movie theaters, or it's not, and I don't agree with shutting down
00:42:21
churches, but it's either Safe to go to church or it's not it's
00:42:24
like this weird. Oh, okay.
00:42:26
It's safe to do this, but we've got to wear a mask and then when
00:42:29
the vaccine came out, it's just very bizarre.
00:42:31
It's probably not safe to do that.
00:42:33
If you feel like you need all these things it was it's almost.
00:42:37
I don't I don't know what happened to people.
00:42:39
It seems like common sense of like know if it's deadly don't
00:42:42
go out to a restaurant please. It doesn't matter if you're
00:42:44
wearing a mask and then you take it off and then you put it on to
00:42:47
go to the bathroom. Like that is there's no logic
00:42:49
there and I'm so bad at science, I failed Science.
00:42:53
But it doesn't make sense at all.
00:42:56
Yeah, you can smell a fart. You don't scratch the science, I
00:43:00
guess now. I know.
00:43:02
And that's when we that's when we officially get taken off
00:43:05
YouTube with that line. I'm sorry.
00:43:08
And we're streams down now. Just getting cut.
00:43:13
Yeah, if it was, I don't know where I was, I was looking at
00:43:17
crazy things. People were doing during covid,
00:43:19
so you get a big. We should that you read those.
00:43:21
So I wanted to do, I wrote Zach's.
00:43:23
Got some stuff. I have a couple of Justice.
00:43:26
Maybe we can one thing I thought was Crazy and it was a string of
00:43:31
events so it started with the county in San Diego County in
00:43:36
August on August 31st 2021 where Fletcher in the board passed
00:43:41
misinformation is a Public Health crisis, right?
00:43:44
And this is where they were going after those voices that
00:43:47
were questioning the rhetoric or the questioning the narrative.
00:43:51
And this to me got I got very very personal with this one
00:43:57
because you know, my Mom and I'm at Liberty to share with her
00:44:01
permission, but my mom took a flu vaccine at the time and it
00:44:07
severely paralyzed her from the waist down.
00:44:11
Now, she went to UCSD they tested for like several weeks,
00:44:15
they had all these Specialists come in.
00:44:17
Try to figure out what was wrong with her, they concluded and
00:44:20
wrote on paper and paper. I have it with me and my wallet.
00:44:23
They said that it was the flu vaccine that caused this
00:44:27
reaction to your body. She was diagnosed CBS which is
00:44:30
Guillain-Barre syndrome, which is a nervous system.
00:44:34
It's a lifelong nervous system issue and they said to stay away
00:44:38
from the, you know, the other vaccine because of the similar
00:44:42
components and why it may not be advisable for you given what
00:44:46
just happened to you? So that's pretty clear.
00:44:48
Simple. Feels like that's not kind of
00:44:50
crazy direction from somebody such a health professional and
00:44:54
then I turn around and my county is telling me that stories like
00:44:58
my mom is BS. Yes, they're made up there their
00:45:01
conspiracy theorists. They there's not legitimacy
00:45:04
there and watching him deny my mom suffering, who I thought I
00:45:08
was going to lose my single parent mob.
00:45:10
I thought I was going to lose her while Nathan is out in Big
00:45:14
Bear at the freaking Petco Park. What was the Brooks Garth Brooks
00:45:20
concert, right? You just being a hypocrite all
00:45:23
day while also trying to lecture the public on.
00:45:26
What's real? What's not real?
00:45:28
That got me going. Come to find out, go back to.
00:45:31
What many of those people were saying the county was spewing
00:45:35
this information actively if that's how we're going to
00:45:39
determine what's misinformation are correct information.
00:45:42
Go back today and go look at what the county was trying to
00:45:44
say to people. Like they were the biggest
00:45:46
proponents of misinformation so that I feel like is something
00:45:49
they don't want to go back and look at because they are filled
00:45:53
with being wrong left and right that led to November 21 where
00:45:59
Because people were pissed off about this new declaration, the
00:46:03
public was speaking more and more at the meetings.
00:46:05
Well, what do you do when you don't wanna hear the public you
00:46:08
limit their speaking? So they pass an ordinance to cut
00:46:11
speaking from 2 minutes. 50 percent to one minute, which is
00:46:15
pretty significant when you're up there talking constantly.
00:46:17
Like when you take a half someone's whole minute away,
00:46:20
that's a, it's bigger than just a minute to minute know, that's
00:46:23
a big deal. And then the city of San Diego
00:46:27
passed, an ordinance that said, you must be back.
00:46:29
New hires current hires elected officials board members and
00:46:34
volunteers must all be vaccinated with covid.
00:46:37
The vaccine before doing any work with the city.
00:46:40
And when, when they said that you can't run for public office
00:46:43
without being vaccinated, like that is like, there is clearly a
00:46:50
game underway. I mean, they were already.
00:46:52
This is, this is a year almost 2 years into covid.
00:46:56
And it's like they're pulling these types of stunts because
00:46:59
they, A know there's there's power in that they know the
00:47:02
factions that are vaccinated are not and they know hey we can
00:47:06
literally eliminate half the people if we put this new
00:47:09
restriction that we know many of them didn't comply with.
00:47:12
Yeah we knew at the time I feel like most people knew like well
00:47:15
this is unconstitutional that this isn't going to stand.
00:47:17
This is this is completely Barb like this is wrong and yet they
00:47:22
confidently Champion those policies up until the courts
00:47:28
sued or Up until the courts ruled off of reopen, San Diego's
00:47:33
lawsuit against them like they, I don't know, I'm kind of, I'm
00:47:38
kind of rambling cuz I just it blows my mind the audacity that
00:47:41
our city went to try and control things and it just it's the
00:47:46
Silver Lining as we were Natalie.
00:47:47
When we were speaking earlier the Silver Lining here is that
00:47:49
they lost in court, right? And the city had to backpedal
00:47:53
off of those those mandates. And it's like damn why was it
00:47:56
anybody listening to the people sounding the alarms when they
00:47:59
We're trying to pass this. It's like, oh now it's okay to
00:48:02
to agree with how crazy this is. But when it's happening, people
00:48:06
don't want to hear the criticism or like the weight, you know,
00:48:09
they just want, they want to react and that's I think that's
00:48:12
how a lot of things got past is by people allowing the quick
00:48:16
reactions to kind of cognitive dissonance kind of confuse them
00:48:20
and there's a fine. You know what, it's like when
00:48:23
people were questioning, those people were called crazy or
00:48:26
uneducated or science deniers or Ever.
00:48:30
I mean you're losing in court. So clearly somebody was right at
00:48:34
the end of the day but like a lot of damage has been done
00:48:37
since but yeah and I mean as far as controlling things to this
00:48:41
day as far as I know to be an election worker in the County of
00:48:44
LA, you have to have proof of vaccinations to watch the pulse.
00:48:48
You know, so I feel like I feel like that's taking out a certain
00:48:52
group of people that you might not want to watch the whole
00:48:55
thing for sure, very that definitely screens who's going
00:48:59
to potentially be poll workers up in l.a.
00:49:00
That's yeah. So, I did put out a call to all
00:49:06
my followers Q&A to ask for some weird stuff that happened during
00:49:13
covid. And I got a lot of stuff so
00:49:15
we'll see how much we got throwing it.
00:49:17
Like, I'm looking through it. All right now, and I'll see I'll
00:49:22
try to get through as much as possible.
00:49:26
Let's see that the dining and plastic, and clothes, covered
00:49:32
and feet of snow warmed by outdoor heaters.
00:49:36
Yeah, someone made the joke about how somehow we're supposed
00:49:42
to dine outdoors and then they created four, walls and plastic
00:49:46
and heaters in those. And We just were dying indoors
00:49:50
Outdoors, extended building was extended buildings.
00:49:56
I definitely remember that. I thought this makes no sense
00:49:59
because we're basically still on doors, not indoors indoors.
00:50:05
Let's see temperature checks for well, if you don't think about
00:50:08
it, it makes sense. Yeah.
00:50:09
I mean, just don't think about it and, you know, make perfect
00:50:12
sense. Temperature checks for socially
00:50:15
distance, outdoor events, okay? To walk on the beach, but no, No
00:50:18
stopping this one. I actually my wife brought this
00:50:24
up to me. We're talking about the other
00:50:25
day and I was like, is there anything?
00:50:26
You remember be a good topic? And she was like, remember when
00:50:30
they finally let us back on the beach but you couldn't stop.
00:50:34
They were like, keep it moving. Like the lifeguards were
00:50:37
literally in their trucks. Like yelling at people like
00:50:40
don't stop, don't sit down. It doesn't matter if you're
00:50:43
sitting down all by yourself, not surrounded by anybody and
00:50:47
within like a hundred. The View they were like, nope,
00:50:50
can't can't sit down. That was, I saw that first
00:50:55
person quads on the sand, chasing after people like
00:51:00
yelling on their microphones. Like dude, this is like a really
00:51:04
sexy like a badass until skitter something like it.
00:51:07
Like reminds me of which was it like Mad TV.
00:51:09
Russoniello were like he's like barely just sitting in the spa
00:51:12
and the lifeguards like jump Splash, you know That was the
00:51:18
point where Garcetti said stay on the dry sand, but don't go on
00:51:22
the wet sand of the beach. But what say that also happened?
00:51:26
I don't know the science behind that at all, but I'm here.
00:51:30
Well, that's that's the same guy that said, I wasn't it like the
00:51:36
West Coast, the sand, the water was unsafe, but on the East
00:51:39
Coast, the sand was unsafe, but the water was safe.
00:51:43
So it was like to be on the sand here but not there you could be
00:51:47
entire there but not Here like the science was adding up.
00:51:50
Sorry for going back clients. Yeah, no, Nathan Fletcher, had
00:51:55
an online discussion tweet with people, you need that think, he
00:51:58
still has it up for some reason to him trying to explain to
00:52:02
somebody about why, you know, certain kayaking is safe out
00:52:07
there. But paddleboarding is, you know,
00:52:09
you got to be careful like he was, he sounded like a lunatic
00:52:13
but was dead serious. And it just it's great.
00:52:16
It's funnier to watch. It is, I mean, it's easy.
00:52:18
He to laugh at now but I'm really Stu, I'm not smart at all
00:52:23
and I'm really bad at science and I just feel like I need I
00:52:26
need somebody to explain to me because I'm so dumb.
00:52:30
How you just how you fell for this?
00:52:31
Like to me it was so clear like I don't even know the science
00:52:34
behind it but I can just tell you that for sure walking on the
00:52:37
beach is okay. And it was like instinct usual
00:52:40
and I don't understand how other regular lay people just didn't
00:52:45
really see that. I don't know, get there.
00:52:49
I forgot how I worded it but I had to put on Facebook.
00:52:51
I was like today, I can go and get an abortion and go buy
00:52:56
enough alcohol to kill myself from Costco.
00:53:00
And then I could go get chemicals injected in my
00:53:02
forehead to get BOTOX, but I cannot get my hair dyed science.
00:53:08
Yeah. Like 11, please just, I'm just
00:53:11
looking for the science. I want the peer-review.
00:53:13
No reviewed. I want the like, just show me
00:53:16
the science, so I'll Trust it. Just show it to me.
00:53:18
But I just want to see it. I remember there was some but I
00:53:22
may have dreamt this or thought of this, but early on they
00:53:26
especially on the west coast. They didn't want people going in
00:53:29
the water because they were afraid that covid maybe in the
00:53:33
water coming over from China, like, I don't know.
00:53:38
Remember, I saw that they were like, that's why you can't go in
00:53:40
the water on the beaches because it may have covid.
00:53:43
Like, yes covid. Got in the water in China and
00:53:48
Flow. Floated all the way over.
00:53:52
Like 9 of the current goes up through Japan it goes up
00:53:58
around Alaska in freezing-cold temperatures were viruses can't
00:54:02
live comes back down the West Coast somehow covid.
00:54:05
Still survive, that 12 mile trip and it's just polluting our
00:54:11
water Natalie. Thanks you for explaining the
00:54:14
science. That was beside my favorite to
00:54:21
were the people that was kept their mail and delivery
00:54:24
packages, like they would sanitize them in the garage and
00:54:26
then leave them for a week because they didn't want to
00:54:28
bring covid in their house. The people who doubt that was
00:54:33
something else we were talking about, like, the people who
00:54:35
would sanitize, their to go and their groceries.
00:54:38
And then they had like, corners of their house where Amazon
00:54:41
packages would go, and they would just leave them there
00:54:44
because they're like, well, if you wait a A certain amount of
00:54:46
time covid-19 die-off off the packages.
00:54:51
And I was like, I sure, I guess I sure haven't told you.
00:54:57
That that that's how you're supposed to do it.
00:54:59
The craziest one of the craziest things I saw and Yvonne showed
00:55:03
it to me. And she sent it to me, and I
00:55:04
just said, no, we're not doing this.
00:55:06
It was a diagram of when you get into the house, there's a square
00:55:12
and you step into the square and you take Mall, you're outside
00:55:16
clothes off immediately, throw them in a hamper and you, To put
00:55:21
clean clothes on because the outside close have a lot of
00:55:25
covid sticking to them. So you have to immediately wash
00:55:28
them. I was like no, we're not doing
00:55:31
that. That's absolute Insanity.
00:55:33
I mean I didn't know the science race.
00:55:35
I know size family. Like did that.
00:55:37
Yeah, you know, like put it in the trash bag and close it
00:55:41
suffocated. Yeah, I knew I knew somebody
00:55:45
that literally any time they would travel to their parents
00:55:48
house, they would have to go into the garage and get like,
00:55:52
chemically sleep sterilized and even made to come together cuz
00:55:56
he thought it was funny but it's like she was dead serious about
00:56:00
it. She was like, you know,
00:56:01
screaming at him cause you know, she's getting recorded and she's
00:56:04
like spraying him spraying the clothes, throws it immediately
00:56:07
in the washer sprays inside the washer closes.
00:56:10
It wipes the you know washing machine.
00:56:12
I mean it's like it was like I'm just now realizing I missed a
00:56:15
golden opportunity to upload a sound effect of dr.
00:56:18
Fauci saying the science I'm playing that every single time
00:56:22
we talked about this, we'd get cancelled for sure, that's for
00:56:27
the size of the Tik toks. You know, we're hearing that
00:56:32
we're killing grandma and everyone.
00:56:35
The hospitals are just lying to the people falling over and
00:56:38
death of covid. And the nurses are like let's
00:56:41
make dancing Tick Tock videos. What?
00:56:45
Get back to my family member like what you do is jump all
00:56:49
around us but lets you know, it looks gorgeous.
00:56:56
Yeah. All right.
00:56:57
Let's see. What else am I laughing?
00:57:00
Because it's crazy. That's why another thing, you
00:57:03
know, I think. Yeah, I think San Diego.
00:57:07
Surprisingly shares, a privilege here, but a big thing, I know it
00:57:12
was big in LA and sort of On here was the vaccine passports
00:57:17
so they they really like so Todd Gloria, Gloria said on Twitter,
00:57:25
he posted basically saying hey any business that burst
00:57:29
implements a vaccine passport. I will issue a city declaration
00:57:36
for that company like trying to give them an award for being the
00:57:41
first company to implement their their vaccine passport.
00:57:44
Well, luckily we, you know, say like I said, we're very
00:57:46
privileged to have certain groups here in San Diego, that
00:57:49
just spoke up very loudly and protests physically at these
00:57:54
businesses to where they backpedaled from that.
00:57:57
But that's another thing that we were so close and places,
00:58:01
actually did Institute it. When I went up to Seattle during
00:58:04
Thanksgiving, I tried to use the restroom on the pier, you know,
00:58:08
in one of the little stores after a, I just bought food from
00:58:10
them, and they would not let me go in, unless I Showed them my
00:58:15
card and it's like, I just bought your food.
00:58:18
You're overly priced food. Let me pee for freaking couple,
00:58:22
freaking minute. I are a minute.
00:58:23
Just let me go and they were like, no, we can't do that.
00:58:26
Like, you know, you you have to put your mask on and if you want
00:58:29
to come this close to us and like they were just super like I
00:58:34
want to use the oh, you're right.
00:58:35
I mean, for a while ago, today I was not allowed in restaurants
00:58:39
and bars Etc. And I will never forget that.
00:58:42
I'll carry it with me for the rest of my life.
00:58:45
And I don't think anyone should forget it.
00:58:46
Because he has 20 21, 20 22. I was not allowed as the
00:58:50
taxpaying law-abiding citizen in restaurants and bars in other
00:58:54
places and I hope no one ever forgets that Yeah, the favorite
00:59:00
Parts when they said yes. Native, people can sit here?
00:59:02
Unvaccinated, people can sit here.
00:59:04
We literally had Jimmy Jimmy Carter's Mexican restaurant on
00:59:09
5th. Ave, yeah, I just called them
00:59:10
out. They had this exact system where
00:59:12
it was literally unvaccinated. People are out on the deck by
00:59:16
themselves and then the vaccinated people get the Cozy
00:59:19
inside. And it's like, dude, how is this
00:59:22
even? I don't know if you went to
00:59:23
Padres games during like when they started to let people back
00:59:27
in, but they had vaccinated and unvaccinated.
00:59:30
Unvaccinated sections. And it was like, here's actually
00:59:34
better to be in the unvaccinated section because they gave you a
00:59:37
lot more space. They would like, they'd give
00:59:41
you, like, almost a whole row to yourself.
00:59:44
So it was like, sure. I'll be in the unvaccinated
00:59:46
section because I get to spread out.
00:59:49
I get all this and all the vaccinated people.
00:59:51
You saw him, like, in the seats, they were all like, right on top
00:59:54
of each other. I'm like, this make sense.
00:59:57
Absolutely. And we're outside.
01:00:03
Let's see. Some other things filling up the
01:00:06
skate park with sand. Oh my gosh.
01:00:08
Yeah, of course, they were like walking off all the playgrounds,
01:00:13
my family, I didn't go, but my like my sisters and my parents
01:00:17
had gone camping and they were hiking during the summer and
01:00:21
they weren't wearing masks, and somebody on the trail came
01:00:23
across them and like, full-on started yelling at them.
01:00:26
You know, you're killing us. And it was like, no, you could
01:00:29
have just moved us. Side and kept going, but no, you
01:00:32
wanted to make an argument. My mom was just like your fear
01:00:35
your problem deal with it. Not gonna lie as a germ freak.
01:00:41
I saw at a grocery store. Yesterday, they're still
01:00:45
sanitizing. The grocery carts.
01:00:46
And I'm like, I'm here for that. Yeah, that's what should have
01:00:53
been doing that for, that was something that you remember?
01:00:57
Yeah, I'm not opposed to that, that's a good one.
01:01:00
I hope this stays forever. I remember at the beginning.
01:01:03
Well Trader, Joe's. In the beginning was completely
01:01:07
ransacked. I remember like right in the
01:01:09
beginning, when we started the pandemic, like you couldn't get
01:01:12
anything and they were just people are buying like as much
01:01:15
as possible to the point where they were blocking off whole
01:01:17
aisles. And they were like, we have to
01:01:19
restock that give us a half an hour to restock and people were
01:01:22
like reaching over people and they're like, yeah, taking
01:01:24
stuff. And like, all the frozen food
01:01:26
was gone. And for some reason, all the
01:01:28
fresh produce was gone. Gone.
01:01:30
And I was like, I don't know what you plan to do.
01:01:32
If we're stuck in the house for longer than a week with all
01:01:35
that. Fresh produce Frozen make sense,
01:01:38
but not fresh produce. Toilet paper.
01:01:41
Remember the run on toilet paper.
01:01:43
Yes, you couldn't find toilet paper.
01:01:47
Like we weren't even lockdown when people were like.
01:01:54
Yeah, that happened immediately. That was like the bum.
01:01:56
That was like the first panic was go to the store.
01:01:59
Buy You know, I was asking myself like what does this give
01:02:02
you like, diarrhea. Is there a reason for all this
01:02:05
toy? That was a like but they didn't,
01:02:07
I guess people thought they were just never going to get out of
01:02:09
their house. Do you remember that?
01:02:12
They was always these rumors of like you know we're not doing it
01:02:16
strong enough and we're not locking down hard enough.
01:02:19
Yeah. So the next step is everybody
01:02:22
literally has to be locked in their homes and the National
01:02:25
Guard will come around and bring you like rations every single
01:02:28
day. To remember that room.
01:02:30
We're being propagated like around social media.
01:02:34
That might have just been, like, conservative thing, like, people
01:02:37
were trying to scare you like w. Yeah.
01:02:40
That was, we all thought we were there.
01:02:43
We have to have like apps on her phone that we were going to have
01:02:45
to check in and they're going to track US and spit speaking of
01:02:48
Trader, Joe's. Remember it, when any faith to
01:02:51
line up outside in crowds with no social distancing, but only a
01:02:55
certain amount of people could be let in Yeah, I actually kind
01:03:01
of like that because Trader Joe's can get kind of crazy.
01:03:03
So the fact that they were kind of rationing how many people
01:03:05
could go in. There's actually enjoying that a
01:03:08
little bit exercising with masks on outside.
01:03:14
Yeah, yeah alone but being alone in your car with your mask on,
01:03:20
oh still do you have like a million responses there to get
01:03:24
the room? Yeah, I'm going through him to
01:03:25
trying to pick out because some of them are like really long
01:03:28
story. There was this one time.
01:03:32
I was arrested for keeping my gym open.
01:03:34
I think we probably know who that is.
01:03:36
We know that is wonder who that is having to bring your own
01:03:41
bitch out to a hotel. Remember, they wouldn't, oh, my
01:03:44
God, turn down your hotel because they didn't want people
01:03:48
going in and out of your room. Like, if you travel the which we
01:03:51
were going, a lot of trouble. Yvonne and I were rebellious and
01:03:55
we traveled a lot actually drink.
01:03:56
Oh you know what's great? Their fares were low and drop it
01:03:59
in. We did not.
01:04:06
They had a but we just had to see sleep in the same bed in the
01:04:10
same sheets. Sounds were no worse, right?
01:04:19
Do you get a discount or something?
01:04:27
I remember posting a because like I follow a lot of Home
01:04:32
Decor stuff and they, you know, all those dumb sign.
01:04:35
Like that, would you say something like, gather here?
01:04:38
And then someone posted that, it was the funniest thing.
01:04:40
It was like, take it down here and that's illegal.
01:04:43
Like I remember just cracked me up.
01:04:49
Someone said, being kicked out of the Yorba Linda Public
01:04:52
Library, because my two-year-old wouldn't keep a mask on.
01:04:56
I don't know who that is, but that's interesting.
01:04:59
Yeah, that's I mean, all those that we saw those videos from
01:05:02
the planes and all of that, and we were the only country, right?
01:05:05
The only tree in the west to the only country.
01:05:08
Maybe at all to have two year. Olds backs.
01:05:11
Masked. That's something also to never
01:05:15
ever forget. Yeah, you can say that the
01:05:17
treatment of children was. Yes, insane.
01:05:21
Yeah, those are, we won't know for many years.
01:05:24
The ramifications, the mental implications of what's going to
01:05:28
happen to these kids, but I mean you've stolen like two years of
01:05:31
their lives for this and like what they went through.
01:05:35
Critical. Yeah, I don't even like the
01:05:38
final answer has got up and they couldn't like speech development
01:05:42
and yes, Zoom classes. And, yeah, it's just kids, could
01:05:49
not do it. It's just, I don't think we'll
01:05:51
ever will see it down the line. I think like 10 15 years,
01:05:55
they'll have a study and show like what was the educational
01:05:58
impact on American Kids by shutting down schools in
01:06:02
California, was like, absolutely the worst at shutting down
01:06:05
schools. And because we have this
01:06:06
incredibly strong teachers union that wanted like their demands
01:06:12
were so ridiculous. They were like, we need brand
01:06:15
new filtration systems and we need all of the air ducts taken
01:06:19
out and replaced and we need like all these.
01:06:22
It was like billions and billions of dollars of
01:06:25
concessions to basically tear down schools and like rebuild
01:06:28
them. So they were covid safe.
01:06:30
And that was the only way they were going back to school kid,
01:06:33
like teachers were I'm not putting my life on the line to
01:06:38
go back to teach kids in class and it's like, okay, well then
01:06:42
maybe we need to find people who are willing to go back in person
01:06:45
and teach kids, which is why I think private schools and
01:06:49
parochial schools and Catholic schools, boom.
01:06:52
During this time because they were actually open and public
01:06:55
schools. We're not.
01:06:57
So yeah, I had an, I had an issue with the masking, you
01:07:04
know, the teaching with a ask on because when I was a kid, I
01:07:08
relied very heavily on the movement of mouth and watching
01:07:11
the mouth. When I'm listening and learning.
01:07:14
Like, I'm just, I'm gonna even reading lips, like, I just, I'm
01:07:16
very good at like, paying attention to the mouth.
01:07:18
And that's how I developed learning early on sort of think,
01:07:22
going through school, not seeing the teachers mouth as they're
01:07:25
talking, I'm not gonna pay attention, I'm not gonna catch
01:07:27
everything. I need to catch or be aware of
01:07:29
what I need to, and it's like that, you said a whole
01:07:32
generation of kids who I'm sure have similar styles.
01:07:35
Of learning out there. We're just completely evaporated
01:07:40
from their lives. And now like Phil said, like
01:07:43
it'll be some years till we see what that cause but like, mark
01:07:48
my words we will see my first husband is deaf and relies on
01:07:53
reading lives and so that for him that was obviously I know
01:07:58
that the stream issue and then even with like autistic children
01:08:02
when they're trying to teach some of our emotions, they are
01:08:04
teaching them pay. Social Rec it.
01:08:06
Like what these mean? And so that's a huge setback,
01:08:11
for those kids who are learning those things is, you know,
01:08:14
emotional cues and whatnot. Yes, I work with kids with
01:08:18
autism and one of them had to drop out of school and go to
01:08:20
Virtual forever because she can't do the mask.
01:08:23
And another one, carries the mask with her to this day,
01:08:26
wherever she goes, and will not leave the house without it and
01:08:29
it's just like so many little dominoes of people affected that
01:08:33
you're right. We won't know for a long time.
01:08:35
I'm of how this affected. So many people.
01:08:38
I also wonder like the digging deeper like the long-lasting
01:08:44
psychological. I'm trying to find the right
01:08:50
word, like psychological grooming of these younger
01:08:55
Generations because there's some kids who just they grew up in
01:08:59
these formative years learned. That whatever the government
01:09:04
says we must do in to trust the government 1000 percent, which
01:09:10
is a scary thing. And I think that is really
01:09:12
terrifying that like, kids will grow up in these formative Years
01:09:16
be like the government has the best our best interest at heart.
01:09:19
Of course they want us to where I'm at, it may be uncomfortable
01:09:22
but that's what we have to do because we're good people and it
01:09:25
becomes this like there, then programmed to believe in this
01:09:30
like collectivist I Ideology as opposed to an individual
01:09:35
ideology, and that's going to like then form how they grow up
01:09:40
in the politics that they then subscribe to.
01:09:43
If that makes sense, like, it'll be much more of a collectivist
01:09:46
idea. I mean, yeah, it was already
01:09:49
exact spot. Say Yeah, school is already like
01:09:54
a kind of formidable, like, follow here.
01:09:57
Line up here. Be this already, has that
01:09:59
ingrained in it. Now, that on steroids, you've
01:10:02
got very much compliance, very much shaming other students.
01:10:07
And you know, all of these little human dynamics, happening
01:10:11
with the youngsters are going to continue to carry, you know,
01:10:14
stay with them in one way or another, when they're adults.
01:10:17
And they already are practiced running through these.
01:10:22
Types of procedures through school and covid.
01:10:26
So the next time the government snapped its finger, they're
01:10:31
going to already have this like really ingrained because it's a
01:10:34
part of their education as well. So now they're going to know
01:10:36
exactly what we need to do. How we need to do it, you do
01:10:39
better when really truthfully all that was a disaster but you
01:10:43
know your you have to follow now when you're in school like
01:10:47
you're really tied to the system a lot more than you are, I feel
01:10:51
Well during this time are you know or any of us here like
01:10:54
children are like unless the parent has an outside of that
01:10:57
system. It's the system on top of covid.
01:11:00
Yeah. Hope it on top of the three.
01:11:01
I know. I'm really thankful that.
01:11:03
I've always homeschooled not to shame anybody who didn't
01:11:06
couldn't whatever like I, it's just for us.
01:11:08
It was like there's no transition here.
01:11:10
We get to just kind of keep doing our thing and don't like
01:11:14
Mission like my son's best friend.
01:11:17
He was only allowed to hang out with.
01:11:21
With his friend, if they were outside wearing masks and I
01:11:25
didn't I didn't stop him from hanging out with him, I just
01:11:28
he's older. My son is is teenager, he least
01:11:31
17 now so I let him, you know, have that choice and like if you
01:11:36
want to go hang out with them and you wear a mask like that,
01:11:39
that's what his mom wants. So it's up to you, if you're
01:11:41
willing to do this, like, I'm not going to be like you will
01:11:44
never wear a mask. Like I was, it was just like,
01:11:46
you know, you need seeds grains and stuff, you know, they need
01:11:50
to be around their friends. Indoctrination was the word I
01:11:54
was looking for. I was like, I was trying to
01:11:57
figure it out. Yeah, it's more things that
01:12:01
people brought up. They feel you're a little you're
01:12:05
gonna get yourself cancelled. Well, we'll just move over.
01:12:09
It will move over to rumble where all the cool kids are
01:12:13
being forced to take a PCR test. Every week mask exemption
01:12:17
tonight breathing issues. I forgot about the PCR test.
01:12:23
I remember Yvonne would have to go, she would have to travel for
01:12:28
work to Hawaii and Hawaii was horrible.
01:12:31
Because Hawaii was like, you can't come in without a vaccine
01:12:34
without negative test. You have to get a negative test
01:12:37
like within Twenty-four hours of your flight and then show it
01:12:41
like on your way in and remember the like tents that were you
01:12:47
could just pull up and get like a free PCR test.
01:12:50
They would like, shove it up your nose, and then they would
01:12:52
give you a free covid test. Like I remember going to that
01:12:55
and it's just, I forgot all about that.
01:12:57
I blocked out, like the covid test tense that were everywhere.
01:13:02
We're about that to my dad had to.
01:13:04
He was essential, he had to travel with papers in case
01:13:07
anyone You know, question him? Yeah, yeah, I did too.
01:13:13
In order for me to drive to work, I had to carry certain
01:13:16
documents that permitted me to be able to drive to work.
01:13:19
I was like a nice grass the from the mouse things, right face.
01:13:24
Just completely got like a really bad rash and she had a
01:13:26
doctor's note. That said she cannot wear a mask
01:13:29
should not will not do not wear masks.
01:13:33
Directional arrows, just to stand on the floor, actually
01:13:41
hours were fun. Oh my God.
01:13:54
I have to admit I guess I was trained pretty well by a Trader.
01:13:57
Joe's, because we went in there all the time and they showed us
01:13:59
like you went down the fresh produce aisle.
01:14:02
And then you came back around up the Frozen and then you go back
01:14:06
down this way. I go that way.
01:14:11
Like every time I'm in Trader, Joe's I'm like I'm like a mouse
01:14:14
that's been trained in a while. I can't go down this aisle this
01:14:28
way. This is just she's not allowed.
01:14:30
Do you have an official chassis? You don't you?
01:14:33
Yeah, I'm just like and now my wife makes fun of me.
01:14:36
Every time I go Trader. Joe's, she's like you want to
01:14:38
walk down every aisle, don't you?
01:14:40
I'm Mike, I just feel like I have to walk down every aisle to
01:14:43
get out of the store. Now, what do you want on this
01:14:46
one? So I've been professionally
01:14:49
indoctrinated by Traders. Yeah, just decided to just
01:14:54
decide that. Do you do you guys think that
01:14:59
people today? Not everybody but do you think
01:15:02
there's a large population of people that are wearing masks
01:15:07
because of their insecurities? Absolutely kids probably
01:15:10
especially? Yes.
01:15:11
I I I I feel like I feel very strongly about this because just
01:15:18
mean I like there's a lot of reasons but it just feels like
01:15:21
there is certain inclinations by those who I knew were already
01:15:25
in. Continue to wear the mask as
01:15:28
like a security blanket. And I've even talked to people
01:15:30
that say, they feel secure, not just from covid, but from the
01:15:33
World Behind it almost like a kind of hiding, like, emo kind
01:15:38
of, I would have done it as an adolescent, no braces, your
01:15:43
teeth, your acne, whatever else. I used to hide behind my hair,
01:15:47
when I was little, I feel like a lot of young adults.
01:15:49
Adolescents teenagers, probably do it.
01:15:52
I have long hair down to my shoulders and I did the same,
01:15:55
okay? I know exactly.
01:15:57
I think it's honestly like a fashion statement now, which is
01:16:00
weird. Like, I see a lot of, like,
01:16:02
teenagers getting out of the middle school and they're like,
01:16:05
still wearing masks, but they're not wearing them like correctly.
01:16:09
I kind of stole Wham like down and like, yeah, that's like,
01:16:16
you're still wearing it, and I feel like it's just become a
01:16:18
fashion thing now. Like, people are just wearing
01:16:21
masks for some reason, that's weird.
01:16:26
Member, you will be wearing a mask and then you'd see people
01:16:29
be like, pull it up, pull it up, and then people with glasses
01:16:33
fogging up there called. Yeah, yeah, I just went through
01:16:38
that. Yeah, I've had people tell me,
01:16:40
put it over your nose. There is still enforcing it,
01:16:43
like at hospitals and it would not apply to.
01:16:46
My nephew was getting x-rays today.
01:16:48
He broke his arm and he sends a picture of himself.
01:16:51
He's 14, he sends a picture of himself at like at the doctor's
01:16:55
office, wearing a mask and micro.
01:16:56
Oh take that off. He was like, well I'm at the
01:16:57
hospital I have to and I'm like no first of all, you're a child.
01:17:00
Second of all were over this. I think that ends on April 5th,
01:17:04
I could be wrong. No actually he's an Oklahoma.
01:17:08
So that very problem or it didn't like looks like I
01:17:13
understand yeah, I had to go through that two weeks ago when
01:17:19
I was Getting ready for Lasik surgery.
01:17:23
I had to wear my glasses and I had my mask on and like, it just
01:17:28
kept fogging up my glasses. I was like this sucks.
01:17:31
I don't want to do this anymore. I'm getting really sick when
01:17:35
they're like, good thing, you're here because this is the place
01:17:39
you get Lasik done. So, yeah, good news for that.
01:17:43
I'm trying to find some other some of these are really sad and
01:17:47
I don't, you know, I want to bring it down because We're
01:17:51
having a good time here. The other art there is some sad
01:17:55
stuff. I don't want to talk about it.
01:17:59
It's probably the molarity, our side worry.
01:18:01
I'm not gonna like are sad. Someone said, all right fine,
01:18:05
I'll tell you one and then we'll go back to light-hearted.
01:18:08
Yeah we're going to get all sad. My boyfriend wasn't able to be
01:18:12
with either of his parents while they passed away.
01:18:15
They died alone. That's not terrible.
01:18:20
But I mean, it's Grandma who died alone?
01:18:25
How many old people at the end of their lives?
01:18:28
Couldn't my grandmother. It's like a family member
01:18:31
because of covid. I lost my stuff, grandpa and my
01:18:35
grandfather in 2020, neither to covid.
01:18:39
But neither alone either because my family isn't down for this
01:18:43
nonsense. So, My grandmother passed away
01:18:48
in 2018 and as you know, I've come to peace of isn't as weird
01:18:53
as this may sound. I'm really, I'm thankful she,
01:18:56
you know, she passed away when she naturally did because her,
01:19:02
well, she didn't actually it was from, she passed away from
01:19:05
dementia, but to think of her going through that and us going
01:19:09
through that winter during covid where they're telling my mom,
01:19:13
who would punch a doctor in the mouth to not see their her Mom,
01:19:17
like I cannot imagine what what life would have been like, if I
01:19:21
had to be in those scenarios with the loved one because I
01:19:24
could, you know, I've heard the stories and it just it gets me
01:19:27
heated because I think about my own family on like like, no,
01:19:31
you're not about to prevent me like, I like I'm going to jail
01:19:35
because I'm getting through this like this office building, like
01:19:38
it's just you just reminded me of artists who had to give birth
01:19:41
during that time. Wearing masks.
01:19:43
And like, how are the, like, always But having had four
01:19:49
children, you get to a part of Labor where you're like, don't
01:19:54
touch me, don't sit like everything's really irritating.
01:19:57
And and they say a lot of women even are like, taking off their
01:19:59
clothes because it's like just if they feel like constricted,
01:20:02
like everything's just like bugging them, like, they don't
01:20:04
want anything touching them. And they're forced to wear masks
01:20:06
and I just like, have, oh my gosh, I can't even see him, the
01:20:10
thought of them. And like, that's terrific.
01:20:14
That's so sad and it's just Like and you Judi like you're being
01:20:17
taught before you know like that.
01:20:19
You need to be taking zero so relaxed.
01:20:21
And yet now you have this massive stuff on her face that
01:20:24
you're not supposed to take off. Hola.
01:20:28
I'm trying to find a good one and up and what they deny you
01:20:33
service. If you don't do that, you know,
01:20:35
I've always let it snow what happened.
01:20:38
My kids are older, I didn't go through that.
01:20:42
Someone said, my cousin told me that they spent Thanksgiving
01:20:45
with Macon, including the kids. Wow, that was the happened.
01:20:53
Probably a lot more than I absolutely do.
01:20:55
Think it did, we have some family members who in the
01:20:57
beginning were very worried about covid to the point where
01:21:04
like we couldn't see them like physically for a long time.
01:21:09
Like we drop something off for them at their house and we had
01:21:12
to like drop it off. On their little, like, path to
01:21:16
their house. Not let go up to their house,
01:21:19
like to the path to the house. And then they'd like, they were
01:21:22
like, looking pretty when you're waving at us and it's like, okay
01:21:26
bye. But they finally, like cracked
01:21:29
after a while and I think they came to their senses and they're
01:21:32
like, this is dumb. Like, what are we doing here?
01:21:35
And that never happened. But try by birthday parties
01:21:40
drive by birthday parties. Oh my God.
01:21:44
Attended one of those. I we weren't driving by, but
01:21:47
we're part of the, we are putting the VIP that actually
01:21:50
got to be part of the viewer quarantine crew.
01:21:54
And we just watched everybody else drive by and like the kids
01:21:57
with their Mass driving by in the car.
01:22:00
And they were like, waving like this is so sad.
01:22:03
Like, what the hell are we doing here dry by graduations?
01:22:08
Try by graduations. I saw that across the street
01:22:10
from where we were. They remember that to a whole
01:22:13
bunch of people kid. It's like they were just in
01:22:15
their cars and they were all like honking horns and trying to
01:22:18
make it as fun as possible. So less depressing local church
01:22:26
that like, did that for people. They did it fun and I, my son
01:22:30
had graduated eighth, grade homeschool we were?
01:22:33
He didn't care to do anything but they were giving out free in
01:22:35
and out. So, we were like sweet.
01:22:37
Let's go to freaking out, but they weren't really do anything.
01:22:42
It was like drive up and get some free in and out really
01:22:44
cool. So we did did any of you guys
01:22:47
use, excuses covid, excuses to get out of things though?
01:22:51
Yes. I was true, vocal on line, two
01:22:56
Heats, how to get away with it for the rest of our life.
01:22:59
People knew I was feeling well and I Gia low.
01:23:02
That's a good enough because I never used to call it a work
01:23:05
sick and I used to work in a restaurant and they used to let
01:23:07
me come and sake. Nobody cared and now that'll
01:23:10
never happen again which is probably for the best and I feel
01:23:13
like now for the rest of my life I can just say I'm sick.
01:23:16
And what employer? I mean, I don't know.
01:23:19
This isn't that a good excuse? We all live through this and it
01:23:22
seemed to be a good enough excuse for three years.
01:23:24
So yeah, Phil I remember my entire office area all got sick
01:23:31
before covid. All of us are sneezing and
01:23:33
coughing and I mean it's gross and you know probably should be
01:23:36
doing that but it was life. Like so what was the you know
01:23:39
what was the solution on the yeah, they're just continuing on
01:23:42
either and it's like but now it's like we always sneeze which
01:23:48
is That was like the first one of the first things they said
01:23:56
was a part you know God it's enormous imposition but did you?
01:24:02
I was before covid. I had I was going to a church.
01:24:06
That was pretty left-leaning but the people were great.
01:24:11
I had a good time there. I you know I looked past the
01:24:14
politics. I was like a these are really
01:24:15
nice. People love the church, love the
01:24:18
vibe. They were methodists.
01:24:20
So you know got over that But it was.
01:24:26
Well, now that I'm Catholic, I can make fun a Methodist, a
01:24:29
discussion. Okay?
01:24:30
For a whole different discussion.
01:24:33
Anyway, so they were this church was very, very Pro lockdown.
01:24:41
Like and they waited forever to reopen, which is probably one
01:24:45
reason why I stopped going to that church and ended up going
01:24:47
to the church. I go to now because my Parish
01:24:50
was actually open for service. Which ended up good for both of
01:24:56
us. And I remember, they were like,
01:24:59
oh, we're having this housewarming party.
01:25:01
You should totally come. And they're like, just to be
01:25:06
just so, you know, we're all going to be outside.
01:25:09
And there's going to be social distancing, we're going to ask
01:25:11
people to wear masks and I'm like, okay, first off this
01:25:15
sounds awful. It's like, where's the party and
01:25:17
their likes and San Marcos? Yeah.
01:25:20
And Zach can attest from PB to San Echoes is a trick.
01:25:26
It's like almost an hour away in North County.
01:25:30
Yes. So the idea of going to a party
01:25:35
where you have to stand outside and socially distance and wear a
01:25:39
mask, and not really get close to each other for someone's
01:25:43
house warming party, an hour away, I was like, I'm not doing
01:25:46
this, so I just responded back. I was like, yeah, I was like,
01:25:50
hey, I just got back from traveling.
01:25:54
In, you know, and because they say, like, you're supposed to
01:25:56
quarantine for, like five days after travel, we're just gonna
01:26:01
stay home and make sure that we don't spread covid around there.
01:26:04
Like, they totally bought it. They were like, oh yeah, that's
01:26:07
cool man. Like guys for, that's really
01:26:09
considerate of you. Thanks for thinking hope.
01:26:13
You're good. Oh my.
01:26:15
Yep. I finally got to use covid as an
01:26:17
excuse. So One benefit came out of it.
01:26:22
So, well, this has been an unbelievable fun and heavy
01:26:28
conversation. I'm sure we could keep going and
01:26:31
talk for like a probably another two hours.
01:26:33
A lot of any final thoughts on covid from anybody tonight?
01:26:38
Three years later? Do we think we've learned
01:26:40
anything? Do we think, where do we go now?
01:26:43
After covid, now that we're kind of officially, I would have it
01:26:48
in past it, Now, and it's in the rearview mirror.
01:26:53
We visit, it's not so sorry. Go ahead.
01:26:56
Now we all have learned. Something you're right.
01:26:58
The mill have others. You know.
01:27:04
We're still voting for the saying I'm not gonna go there.
01:27:07
Well, I mean this is not an answer and it's not a solution
01:27:11
and it's a downer so maybe someone has something to say
01:27:13
after. But I'm sure we all realized and
01:27:17
everyone listening, realizes the amount of damage that public
01:27:20
health officials have done and then they blame, you know,
01:27:23
people who question. I was never someone who was anti
01:27:27
anything. As I said, I'm not a questioner.
01:27:31
I'm not anti-authoritarian anti-government and say
01:27:34
anything, but I will never hear the word vaccine.
01:27:37
Seen and think anything of this for the rest of my life.
01:27:42
And I think that I don't know if they realize the amount of
01:27:46
damage they've done to regular people as far as trusting
01:27:50
science and even trust the caliph and trusting doctors.
01:27:55
And then they want to paint us all as people who are already
01:27:57
this way. But at least for me, and for
01:28:00
many others, I wasn't already this way, not that there's
01:28:03
anything wrong with being this way, but I wasn't and you guys
01:28:06
maybe this way. So, there's a good meme online
01:28:11
that I keep saying, that's like, who radicalized you.
01:28:15
And then, it's like, you radicalized me.
01:28:19
That's not only true for lots of things besides covid, but you're
01:28:23
right. Yes.
01:28:23
That's it's like, it's like a LoJack on one side and the chat
01:28:26
on the other side. So can't believe he'll my body.
01:28:30
My choice was used against us 2020 and then we tried to flip
01:28:34
it. They are house.
01:28:41
Yeah, Sarah Jacobs is big on. She's pushing a bill right now,
01:28:44
my body, my data, and it's about protecting one's own personal
01:28:48
health information which she had no problem absolutely exposing
01:28:53
of people during covid. But now that's, you know, she's
01:28:57
a big proponent of your privacy and yeah, I think that's why I
01:29:00
think that's what I want to. I will leave it off on pay
01:29:03
attention to the flipping of the narratives and how the people
01:29:07
that created the problems. I'm going to try to come around
01:29:10
and be the saviors of the, you know, Solutions.
01:29:14
But just you know, keep our attention spans are so small
01:29:18
today and society. And I really think if people
01:29:21
just remember and connect those dots, there's not a way in hell
01:29:24
any of these people get reelected because the damage is
01:29:27
clear, the science is known that.
01:29:29
We know lockdowns hurt more people than it helped.
01:29:31
Like we know these things, the economy is still like, I mean,
01:29:35
it's arguably on a, on a password on a After downward.
01:29:41
And that's, you know, the pain demux, certainly jacked the
01:29:45
economy. So, yeah, just connecting the
01:29:48
dots and seeing the perpetrators as the as the people that they
01:29:53
are. Yeah.
01:29:55
You know, what's not cute. Is this little 2020 toilet
01:30:00
paper, Christmas ornaments. If you have one of those, your
01:30:04
Cummins get rid of it, we have one of those.
01:30:11
We have one of those. It's Q.
01:30:15
It says we survived 2020 even though 2020 wasn't the end of
01:30:19
it. So no definitely it was
01:30:24
personalized. It's you have not for 20 21 and
01:30:27
20 22 and just can't even count. You keep scratching it up like
01:30:33
baby's first Christmas Camille. You have any other final
01:30:39
thoughts of covid. I cannot I will go silent now.
01:30:44
Okay. Outside of Christmas ornaments.
01:30:47
Yeah, I think the one thing I kind of always pushed and I
01:30:53
pushed it, I think opposed to previously, is that the lesson,
01:30:57
everybody should learn is that when politicians were given
01:31:01
basically free rein to do, whatever they wanted under the
01:31:04
guise of a state of emergency, they had No.
01:31:08
Hesitation to literally dictate every single aspect of your life
01:31:14
and to govern your life based on their ideology and how they
01:31:21
think you should live. And I think that should be the
01:31:23
biggest lesson people take away from covid.
01:31:25
Is that if you continue like it we're going to get there
01:31:29
eventually if you keep voting this way, but covid, kind of
01:31:33
like gave you a sneak preview of 10 years down the line, if you
01:31:37
keep voting, aye sir. Some way where politicians will
01:31:40
eventually just want to dictate every single part of your life.
01:31:43
You can't do this. You can't do that.
01:31:44
You can't drive here. You can't go there and we're
01:31:46
still seeing it. We're still seeing it in
01:31:48
California. We're still seeing you can't
01:31:50
drive here, you know, you can't drive, you know, certain amount
01:31:54
of time because will start taxing?
01:31:56
How many miles you drive? This is bad for you.
01:31:59
You can't do this and its really.
01:32:01
It's just a sneak preview of how bad it can get and the Silver
01:32:07
Lining. I That a lot of people did kind
01:32:09
of wake up to their local politics and say like okay, who
01:32:13
are these? People, who are do making all
01:32:15
these decisions and like school boards are great.
01:32:17
That people are starting to flip School boards.
01:32:20
Really quickly. A lot of people are getting more
01:32:22
involved in school boards but yeah, I think there's a lot of
01:32:26
lessons. People still haven't learned
01:32:28
from covid, they just kind of blissfully continue on with
01:32:31
their lives and but I think it's important people like us keep
01:32:34
talking about it because people forget And they go.
01:32:39
Okay, I'm back to normal covid and the rearview mirror.
01:32:42
Everything's fine. We made it, but like we should
01:32:44
never forget the lessons and all this craziness that happened
01:32:48
from covid. So, yeah, that's my files up.
01:32:52
Well, thank you too. Natalie and Zach for joining us,
01:32:57
an amazing conversation. I kept looking at the time like
01:33:00
man, this time is just flying by right now, we're just killing
01:33:03
it. Yeah, really quick.
01:33:06
Thank you. I don't even Zach for coming on
01:33:09
and Converse and let's not wait until another covid year.
01:33:12
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