On this episode I'm joined by Layla from the account @propagandafluent to discuss the power of propaganda, how to identify it, and the power of language to accomplish political goals.
Links in Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBo4GViDxzc
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-allies-attacking-biden-plan-005310169.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2022/08/09/inflation-reduction-act-will-restore-irs-staffing-to-1995-level-by-2026/?sh=251171f87757
https://time.com/6204928/irs-87000-agents-factcheck-biden/
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Thanks for tuning in to another episode of California
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underground. I have here with me.
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Layla from the account, Instagram account propaganda
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flowing, we've been chatting back and forth.
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A lot about propaganda and language and I think she's very
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on the ball with this stuff and I love her takes on this.
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So I decided this week especially with all the stuff
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that's been coming out with legislation and how they name
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legislation especially the inflation reduction act, which
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we're going to get two. How propaganda is really kind of
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subtly put out there and how you can recognize it and most
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importantly how you can learn to use language to your Benefits o
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Laila. How are you tonight?
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I'm really good. I'm really excited to see what's
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going to be happening. What's going to be coming up?
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A lot is changing. Yeah so tell us a little bit
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about yourself. When did you start getting into
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propaganda specifically and language and all of this because
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I think people think propaganda and it's not necessarily just
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propaganda like Soviet propaganda.
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It's the power of language how How people kind of push a
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narrative, push their goals. How did you get into this?
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Yeah, so I've always been interested in design and human
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behavior and I think propaganda sort of Blends the two because
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it's essentially designing, how people process information
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process, cubes and, and how you as a propagandist could
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manipulate that. So it was just something that I
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thought was fascinating after learning about World War 2, when
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I was a kid and how they were able to Only so many people to,
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you know, do such, you know, atrocious things.
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I thought, obviously, this is a very powerful tool.
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So I've just, it's been a hobby for a long time and then when
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2020 hit and I just was like, wow, this is propaganda, like a
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no way else to describe it. That's when I started to really
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think about how I could, you know, get involved in a
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community. Unity and how I could help
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people understand what was happening because it was really
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overwhelming and I don't know many people remember, but it was
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really scary when it first started, you know, it was so
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confusing and overwhelming. But for me, I was like, this is
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obviously propaganda so it was easy to not believe what they
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were saying. Yeah, that's just how I got into
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it and there's not a lot of people who actually talk about
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it we don't really have. You don't really have a language
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as a society to discuss and dissect propaganda.
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We have the term fake news which is amazing and such a blessing
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that we have that at least to be able to recognize and understand
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what's happening. But yeah, I just wanted to start
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my page to help people understand.
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Complexity of it. Yeah.
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And I think people because we live in such a tribalist world
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where people believe that their language is correct and the
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other size language is correct. And then we kind of go well how
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come we can never talk to each other.
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It's really a lot to do with. I mean basically language and
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how it does trigger emotions in people and certain feelings and
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it gets people motivated. To do one thing or the other.
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And I think people, you know, the people didn't realize that
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when you read news that agrees with you, that is a form of
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propaganda. That's a form of a narrative, is
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the form of media, that is trying to get you to do
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something. And I think, people don't look
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hard enough into the sources that they themselves even agree
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with. They, I think they just kind of
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take it as it is and go. Well, I agree with it, so I'm 2.
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Therefore just believe that is true.
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Exactly exactly. Yeah.
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They don't really understand the complexity and how it actually
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works. They think that there's some
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sort of There's some sort of way that they're actually in control
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of whether or not they get conditioned by Propaganda, you
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know. And that's not really the case
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law the time, because propaganda actually works on people without
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their conscious awareness. Yeah.
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And articles and things like that when it's really apparent,
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and usually, at the later stages of the conditioning process,
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that's when we sort of notice it.
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But when it's first starting, it's very subtle and really,
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really difficult to detect. So I thought that was something.
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We should definitely start to discuss, you know, as a
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community more in depth and with this Stakes as high as they are,
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in terms of, you know, in a lot of ways, our freedom, I mean,
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especially after the lockdowns, I think, being able to pay
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attention to what it is, they're conditioning us to accept is
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really, really important. I guess.
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Who's maybe I'm jumping ahead to the question that should be at
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the end, but I'm going to ask it.
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Anyway, who do you think is better at propaganda right now?
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The left. And why is that they utilize?
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First of all, they have the authority and they utilize so
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many different types of propaganda.
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So, propaganda is news, articles, it's conversations,
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its textbooks. It's also, you know, films and
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TV shows and they utilize all of it and they spend a lot of
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money. Me on it.
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So they've been investing in this for a very long time.
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And unfortunately, the right doesn't really, I mean, they're
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starting to now to invest in media and different types of
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media and things like that. But yeah, the left definitely
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does, it definitely does cater to all of the necessary
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components to running an effective propaganda campaign.
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Yeah, it's definitely a machine from the top down where they
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just hit you from every angle and you can just see it
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everywhere you go. And you just like every movie,
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every award, show every basketball game, it's just like
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on, and on and on and yours. Like, it gets grinding, it gets
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wearing on a lot of people, but you picked some articles that
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you wanted to share specifically and we can kind of go through
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them and I pulled them up. So I No, which one specifically
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let's start with the box article.
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So which one the Vox article the box article?
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Okay, Rich. So this was a good one.
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Yeah. So this is really important
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because you know, now we're seeing that of course, with the
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inflation act carefully renamed from the build back better.
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Bill, you see that we're going to have this huge Army of new
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IRS agents? We're going to have, you know,
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potentially Armed IRS agents. We're going to have a whole new
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environment in terms of Taxation.
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Obviously, that's what they're doing and building the
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infrastructure. But when you think about
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propaganda, and you think about Society, you have to start to
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ask yourself. How did we even get to the point
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where people are willing to accept that?
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You know, I asked a leftist I was like what do you think about
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them hiring you know, a 80 new people and they said, oh, I
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understand They're just trying to, you know, get more jobs but
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it's not really, you know, it's not that big a deal.
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They didn't seem very alarmed about it and it when you look at
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it they've been building us up this article how to tax the rich
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explained by Vox very leftist. Extremely love this publication.
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2019. There are here giving you detail
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of whites good to have more. Taxation because obviously left
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their whole agenda is to consolidate power to the top.
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You know, have this total control of people, these
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socialist Marxist, whatever agenda they have and that
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definitely requires. You not having a huge amount of
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income or just written discretionary income.
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So they start in 2019, when this article and, you know, they've
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always see how these articles like way earlier, they've had
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this notion. Is attacks in the Ridgeway
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earlier, you know, you have Cortez with the dress, she went
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to the mecca, Gala with the tax, the rich dress, and so it's easy
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for them to because they built this structure already in
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people's minds that. Okay, it's expected taxing, the
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rich more taxation means you're going to be taxing the bridge,
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that's what immediately happened to people's heads.
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They connect that and it's a good thing, right?
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You know, we need to help. It's the inequality we need to
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help with all these things. By making sure corporations,
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regardless of how large or small, they are, our parents are
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paying their fair share things like that.
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So, You know, this article started and then you would go
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through to articles like the Forbes article, how should we
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tax the rich is the title. And these are more, you know,
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detailed explanations of okay, what is this?
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Look like when we have more taxes basically and preparing
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people? Because this is the main thing
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that I think a lot of people just really miss is that
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Propaganda works over time, it builds up, its not the all of a
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sudden, you know, here, all these ideologies.
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Here's these, you know, crazy things like the, the, the gender
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ideology that they introduced, all of these things and builds
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up over time, and because it's not so in our faces and because
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there's no like immediate visceral reaction, a lot of us
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get, we just dismiss it and think it.
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So it's just an article. but it's conditioning people to be
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willing to accept things and then, you know, there's various
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other articles and then if you go to the Trump allies article,
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the news dot Yahoo, Yeah. Yeah.
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Trump allies are attacking B in so the so this is just released
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August. Not youth 2022.
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As is different article. Maybe just Google Trump allies
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attack by 1000 Trump allies IRS. Just Google app.
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But what this article, this was released August 9th, right after
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they, you know, did their thing and announced it did several
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things. But with this article, this is
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like the final, you know, closing argument.
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This is the final thing that's going to help solidify the
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concept for the left. You know, that's been
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associating, taxation with being a good Aang, Trump Alibis are
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attacking attacking Biden for a plan to hire 87, new IRS agents
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that doesn't exist and a obviously there is a plan to
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hire more iron. We're not really concerned about
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that but this is really really making sure that the trigger
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that they built up in these peoples heads because I know
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we're all familiar with Trump derangement syndrome.
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We don't actually have to like him or anything.
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But we do know that people take it to an extreme.
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So whatever is seemingly connected to Trump is something
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that they you know, hate. So if he doesn't like the IRS
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then by default, they're going to like whatever is happening
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there. They're going to you know do the
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opposite thing. So it's really interesting the
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way they they frame not. and so, the route and I didn't even
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really yeah, and I was just going to say, I didn't even
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notice that the Articles you sent me were over two years old
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and that I thought these were all sort of like recent
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articles, and then I now you're pointing out all, this is
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September 2019, this was March of 2019 and you're thinking now,
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it's starting to make sense of where we're at with the
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inflation reduction act, and how they're increasing tax rates
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here and there and they're closing loopholes Those are the
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closing apps are deductions it's like well yeah this is been in
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the works for a while. This isn't like all the sudden
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these articles there's just a flurry of Articles right now
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this these articles have been out there for a while and yeah
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we've been talking, the left has been talking about taxing, the
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rich and making them pay their fair share for a while and I
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guess that's when they found a phrase that worked.
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They've definitely run with it. This whole idea.
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A of like making the rich pay, their fair share.
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What's the fair share and they just keep pulling out what's
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their fair share? What's their fair share?
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And then you get to articles, like the first one, the
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Vauxhall, which talks about, what is the fair share and they
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obviously Find some studies and they sell these academic.
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Researchers say that 73% is the perfect rate.
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Well, what academic researchers. Yeah, we're like, do you have a
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link to the article? Do you have a link to the study?
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No, they just say stuff like well academic.
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People say, that's the perfect rate and the left naturally
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agrees with anybody in Academia because the Agrees with them.
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So, yeah, I guess I didn't put it together.
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When I was reading these articles that you sent over that
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these are years old but they seem like they could have been
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written just this week when it comes to taxing the rich.
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Exactly. And I also think we miss because
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humans you know human behavior is really complex and what we
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really do a bad job on is seeing things you know over time the
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effects that will happen over time.
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A lot of us, don't study things like systems theory and systems.
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Thinking you have complexity where the the cause and effect
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are not directly correlated. In a very short time, you know,
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I turn on a pot and then it starts boiling, you know, that's
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really something for used to tracking and seeing as people as
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a society that immediately caught that immediate cause and
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effect, but when you do something over a long span of
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time, it's really difficult to see and connect and find that
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correlation and that's what propaganda, really takes
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advantage of that sort of time blindness.
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And people don't have a good way of anticipating what certain
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behaviors. Like the long-term
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ramifications, we're not actually been taught to do that
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honestly. No and it does it will because
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it has to work its way into the vernacular.
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It has to become something that you start to see people quote
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over and over and over again. And that's how you know, it's
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working and that's how you know, it's It's kind of like when you
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run a social media account and you say, like what works, what
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is my audience? Like, what are they like
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listening to? And once you grab onto something
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like, okay, this is what they like and this is what they're
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going to make go viral. It's the same thing.
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When you're pushing a certain political point or any sort of
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propaganda, is you latch onto phrases.
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I mean, for everyone phrase of like we have to make them pay
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their fair share. There's probably hundreds of
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like failed. Natives or phrases that they try
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to roll out which were just really bad and they didn't catch
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fire, but once it gets in the vernacular and it becomes part
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of like the political, like the Zeitgeist, I guess, you could
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say, like political Zeitgeist, all of a sudden and then you
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have something and then it becomes a sort of feedback loop
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of will. People are talking about their
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fair. Share, this is great.
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Let's keep writing articles about the fair share.
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And then explain to them what the fair share, really is, which
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is 73 percent or whatever. They want to make that fair
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share and then it just keeps going and they just keep feeding
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into the loop until one day they accomplished it because most
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people believe in it. Yeah.
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They're complicit with it. If people weren't, you know,
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trained and prepared for this and primed for this, a lot of
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people wouldn't be complicit, they would be upset about it
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because who wants to deal with the IRS?
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No one. But for whatever reason, Reason
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because well, because of the propaganda, the left is not
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really. They don't feel like this is a
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huge issue. You know, it's associated with
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conservatives and those, you know, conservatives and all the
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negative things associated with that.
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So there's no particular outrage even though it's in their best
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interest to be concerned about it.
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Mmm. Because they don't, they could
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come after anybody regardless of whether you At the altar of the
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state or not. How I had this question.
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I was going to do you see have you seen over time?
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And maybe I've seen it a little bit as well, is This worship of
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the state has it always been part of our American political
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mindset or has it grown over time.
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Like, have you seen people start to believe that the state is
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God? We worship at the altar of the
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state. The state can do no wrong.
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I mean, we saw it and covid. There were people who believed,
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whatever the state says we have to do.
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We have to do it. And there's no Have you seen
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that before? All of this, like over time
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building up, or is this a new phenomenon?
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Well, yeah, this was definitely, okay, so that whole worship of
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the state and the authoritarian like running to the
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authoritarian left. That is something they're
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utilizing and it's a huge basically, they're utilizing
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trauma, because if you look at the person who is on the left,
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who worships the Date. What are they generally say
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about themselves? Number one, they're victims of
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something, okay? What is a victim?
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Do they get victimized? Unfortunately?
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So that right there is the first Q.
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So they're going to find someone who could potentially, who will,
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or potentially victimize them and the greatest, the greatest
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thing to do would be fun the state.
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And then they also do they, they lack confidence in themselves in
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a lot of ways because, you know, they see themselves as victims
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and losing at things. So of course, they're going to
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latch on To, whoever can be that that parent parental figure for
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them. And so, they're utilizing a lot
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of those things fear. And they're more springing off
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of the hatred of trump because they built that up.
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So, persistently, over several years over, you know, his
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presidency, the hatred of trump is so ingrained in them that
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they automatically do. Whatever is the opposite to Him
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they don't really evaluate. Okay.
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So is this beneficial to me? Potentially, they just know,
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orange men that, you know, so that is something they're
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utilizing and I've seen, I haven't seen it build up slowly.
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I think this is just, you know, with the whole covid thing that
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was really polarizing and that really drove them all, you know,
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toward that toward the state toward the Open Arms of the
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state Because it doesn't make a lot of sense.
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If you look at it, like, why they would, why do we be okay
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with some racist white people versus other races white people
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that they view? I don't know, it just it just
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doesn't make any sense because apparently America's racist but
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not this America, I don't know. It's it's a lot of loopholes and
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a lot of mental gymnastics are going through like similar to
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how they feel about gun control. You know, like the state is
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systemically racist in and just but they should control, they
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should have a total Monopoly of all violence or potential
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violence. You know, it doesn't it doesn't
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register, but that's because they're so fragmented, like the
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really fragmented people. And that's ultimately what
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happens when you go through a really, really serious
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propaganda campaign. You you become this sort of
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fragmented person, mentally. Yeah, I think people before
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covid who ended up being worshippers of the state likely
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were the people who believed government can solve everything
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and then covid happened and their natural instinct.
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And again, this could be that sort of subconscious building up
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over time of where they read articles and every Left-leaning
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article says, how do we fix this problem?
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Well, the government should come in and do this, or the
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government should come in and enact this program like free
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health care. Free college at the.
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Yeah, so I guess over time they've been built up to
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believe, whenever there's a crisis, the only people who can
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solve it, the best is the government.
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And then when covid happened, they looked like superheroes to
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them in their eyes, because they could do.
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No wrong in the government was doing everything.
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However, they didn't believe in the government when it was run
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by Trump. But the minute Biden took over
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all of a sudden, everything was fine.
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You know, like Kamala said, I'm not going to take Trump back
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vaccine and everyone's like yeah you go girl and then the minute
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she got into office she was like okay everyone go get your
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vaccines and your posters and everyone's like yeah it's Queen
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let's go get our vaccines so yeah I think it's accelerated it
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that people. All who worship at the altar of
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the state are definitely more. They're almost dogmatic at this
00:24:10
point when it comes to how much they just listen to that.
00:24:17
So there's a couple more articles.
00:24:18
Did you want to discuss any of these?
00:24:20
I have a times width times article.
00:24:23
No, I think that's a good. I think that's a good
00:24:26
progression for people to see. Yeah, that was the main thing.
00:24:29
I wanted to show people that progression because again,
00:24:32
that's what we have to look for when we're observing things.
00:24:35
Things it starts off really really subtle.
00:24:37
And then yeah, those are my time going out for a while.
00:24:40
It was this book that you shared with me but I'm not planning on
00:24:45
reading. I don't think anyone else should
00:24:48
probably really is this guy from taxing the rich history of
00:24:52
fiscal fairness in the United States and Europe.
00:24:55
Yeah. Groundbreaking history, what
00:24:57
governments do and don't tax the rich.
00:25:00
Because it's has diminishing returns but there was I did want
00:25:06
to bring this up. We were talking about before
00:25:10
hopefully we have no technical issues tonight with sharing a
00:25:13
video. I think we'll be fine.
00:25:16
This is one of my favorite styles of propaganda and John
00:25:21
Oliver is got to be one of the biggest propagandist out there.
00:25:25
And I don't know we were talking about before the show but it
00:25:30
Kind of clicked for me when I saw this post being shared
00:25:34
around different message boards, it was a snapshot of 4chan.
00:25:40
I wasn't on 4chan. So anybody who's out there as
00:25:43
like, you know, California undergrads on 4chan and all that
00:25:46
stuff. I've never been on 4chan, I
00:25:48
don't even know how to log on to Fortune.
00:25:50
It was a snapshot of 4chan and they described specifically the
00:25:55
formula that people like John Oliver use, or Trevor Noah.
00:25:59
I mean, put your Comedian in. They basically make a point and
00:26:06
before you have time to think about that point, they make a
00:26:10
joke and the way in the reason they do this is if because one
00:26:16
it distracts you from thinking about that point it
00:26:20
short-circuits your brain because you're about to think
00:26:23
about something ago. Well, is that correct?
00:26:26
No, he made a funny joke about something.
00:26:28
Okay, now, I'm laughing at the joke. and you get that extra
00:26:31
dopamine head of I mean it's just basic lizard brain when you
00:26:37
get a dopamine hit you associate.
00:26:39
Oh that's good. I like that.
00:26:41
So then that point becomes relevant.
00:26:43
Your mind is this is good. I like that.
00:26:46
So it's a pretty interesting formula.
00:26:50
We could take a couple minutes, this is him talking about
00:26:53
inflation if you want if something jumps out at you.
00:26:59
Tell me to pause and I'll go ahead and pause and we can talk
00:27:02
about it. Let's examine inflation.
00:27:06
What caused it? What we've done to address it so
00:27:08
far and what could happen? Next, let's start with how
00:27:11
exactly we got here because you've probably heard a lot of
00:27:14
explanations flying around. This is bide inflation at 39.
00:27:18
Year-old High created by Joe Biden make no mistake.
00:27:21
Inflation is largely the phone Improvement.
00:27:23
The supply chain is the Catalyst at the end of the day.
00:27:26
Inflation is not caused by the bill back better or the
00:27:29
bipartisan bill is caused by corporate greed.
00:27:32
Yeah, there has been a flurry of Good pointing with many tending
00:27:35
to place. The blame on whatever they were
00:27:37
already mad at with some Democrats blaming corporate
00:27:40
greed. Republicans blaming Joe Biden,
00:27:42
Biden, blaming Putin and your dog.
00:27:44
Presumably blaming the vacuum cleaner and so insert joke ever.
00:27:51
He was the in thing, aside from the dog, they're probably all at
00:27:55
least a little bit, right? Because the truth is there is no
00:27:58
one cause of inflation. At the best of times it involves
00:28:02
a multitude of factors and the Situation that we're in right
00:28:05
now has been an unprecedented Perfect Storm.
00:28:08
And to understand that storm, it might actually help to pause for
00:28:11
a moment to talk about the mechanics of inflation.
00:28:14
Very basically, it happens. Whenever there is too much
00:28:17
demand for too little Supply. If you have lots of money to
00:28:21
spend they usually want to buy more stuff but if there is not
00:28:23
enough stuff to go around, then the price of that stuff goes up,
00:28:28
I'll give you an example. Let's say that every single
00:28:30
person in America suddenly wins the lottery and everyone now has
00:28:33
14, Million dollars to spend. What are they going to do?
00:28:37
Well, Otis you, so first off, that's not really how inflation
00:28:43
happens, but that's just, that's just what supply and demand.
00:28:49
He's trying to conflate supply and demand.
00:28:52
Yeah, glaciation not the same thing.
00:28:56
Like the reason the Mona Lisa is priceless is because there's one
00:29:00
of them not because of inflation.
00:29:05
You know the reason that a original first print Beatles,
00:29:11
White Album is expensive because there's not many of them and
00:29:15
people hold on to them not because A lot of people want it.
00:29:21
I mean a lot of people do want it but that's not, he's not
00:29:25
explain it but he does bring this up about if everyone 140
00:29:28
million dollars. Yes, that's exactly what
00:29:32
inflation happened here in 2020, was everyone sort of won the
00:29:37
lottery in a small way like not a lot but people won the lottery
00:29:41
because they were being given thousands of dollars by the
00:29:45
government and all of a sudden were It with trillions of
00:29:51
dollars of money, that was not here in the economy, not long
00:29:54
again, so he did get that, right?
00:29:59
That it is sort of like, if everybody won the lottery and
00:30:02
all of a sudden, we all have more money.
00:30:03
That's what inflation really is. But then again, he'll tell a
00:30:09
little joke and get you distracted by it.
00:30:12
But they do what I would, which is immediately by this 1500
00:30:15
dollar emeralds, patina Fountain statue of a frogs, Spreading its
00:30:19
unnaturally, long legs in the manner that seems offensive.
00:30:22
But I'm not exactly sure to, who, by the way, is the fraud
00:30:25
comes in two sizes, large and Giants.
00:30:28
Now obviously if you win the lottery, you are springing for
00:30:32
the giant one, but here is the problem, there are currently
00:30:34
only three of them left in stock.
00:30:36
So the statues are likely to get more expensive because everyone
00:30:40
suddenly wants one as they all have more money to spend, but
00:30:44
there are only three left basically high demand not enough
00:30:48
Supply. That's how we get frog.
00:30:50
Floatation. Frog.
00:30:52
Creation. That's not how you get frog.
00:30:54
Collation again, he's using the Mona Lisa example, which is
00:30:59
there's only three of these statues left and a lot of people
00:31:03
might want. I guess a lot of people want
00:31:05
this frog statute. Yeah.
00:31:07
That's not a still not inflation even though if you add a cute
00:31:10
little name like frog relation. So too much money.
00:31:16
Chasing a limited supply of goods can lead to inflation and
00:31:19
someone the right have seized on the too much money.
00:31:21
Part of that idea, to suggest that inflation is really just
00:31:25
down to one thing when you put six trillion dollars of fiscal
00:31:29
stimulus into the economy as President Biden and Democrats
00:31:32
did last year, you're going to end up with Big Time inflation.
00:31:35
The March stimulus package, literally manufactured
00:31:38
inflation. This inflation is caused by
00:31:40
Democratic policies, didn't just happen.
00:31:43
To the Democrat tax on the middle class.
00:31:46
Wow. That is some pretty heavy fire.
00:31:48
They're calling something a tax on.
00:31:50
The middle class, is one of the best ways to make it look bad.
00:31:53
Just after calling it, a close associate of prince, Andrew
00:31:58
blaming Biden. Stimulus package has become a
00:32:00
common refrain on the right. When discussing inflation.
00:32:03
And the reality is there is a kernel of truth to it.
00:32:07
Thanks to the pandemic era, stimulus bills, people did have
00:32:10
more cash on hand, but that is not the only Reason estranged.
00:32:14
It sounds many people saved money during the early days of
00:32:17
the pandemic. Simply because we were all stuck
00:32:19
at home by one estimate households, actually
00:32:22
accumulated, two and a half trillion dollars in excess,
00:32:25
savings joined the pandemic and to the extent that people were
00:32:28
spending money. Mostly wasn't also if you pause
00:32:31
it for a second. So, a lot of the things that
00:32:35
we're seeing right now and this is what the left does really
00:32:37
well. Is they talk down to you?
00:32:40
Like you're a child, they explain things to you.
00:32:45
Their propaganda, always comes with okay, here's our
00:32:48
propaganda. Here's what we want you to do
00:32:49
but let me explain to you in very like, childish detail
00:32:53
exactly what it is, you know. So there is little bits of
00:32:57
truth. But of course they're missing
00:32:59
the whole point because obviously, what they want to do
00:33:02
is divert responsibility and I'm assuming, at some point, he's
00:33:07
going to blame well. Your people somehow the problem.
00:33:11
I don't know what is, what is, who does he end up blaming?
00:33:15
I mean it still has like 20 minutes left but he blames a
00:33:19
little bit of everybody. We can go on for a couple more
00:33:22
minutes and then we'll get back to conversation about I think
00:33:25
we'll we can move on to like the power of language and how it can
00:33:28
use it. But I what we do a couple more
00:33:30
minutes of John Oliver like Furniture appliances or I don't
00:33:38
know some steamy water color, rat erotica, I'm just describing
00:33:42
what most people did in 2012 R2 and what's more the notion that
00:33:47
our economy would be fine. If not for Biden stimulus,
00:33:51
completely ignores what it would have looked like without it
00:33:54
because I'm not only protected low-income workers who were in
00:33:57
real trouble. It also helps us avoid a covid
00:34:00
into, okay. So this this actually if you're
00:34:03
not really paying attention, He breezes past this point and this
00:34:10
is kind of what we were talking about before this worship of the
00:34:14
state and he just kind of breezes past it and makes the
00:34:18
point as if everyone agrees with him.
00:34:21
Boy, things would have been so much worse if we didn't have
00:34:25
this enormous. Six trillion dollar, spending
00:34:27
bill, What's, what's the alternative that he's leaving
00:34:33
out there? Put in shut down the economy.
00:34:38
Exactly. If we didn't shut down the
00:34:40
economy and the government didn't say, okay, everyone has
00:34:43
to shut down their economy. We wouldn't need six trillion
00:34:46
dollars for everyone to do this. So he just kind of blows past
00:34:50
that point as if it's a given. Yeah.
00:34:53
Well the government had to step in and do something, that's what
00:34:56
the government does, we fix things?
00:35:00
But of course, he doesn't acknowledge anything in this
00:35:03
whole clip about. What if we just didn't shut down
00:35:08
the economy? Maybe we wouldn't have this
00:35:11
problem with not enough goods and Supply chains and all that.
00:35:15
So that's the ultimate thing. But he's building this whole
00:35:19
like elaborate web of justification.
00:35:23
And at the end of the day, yeah, it's just because they
00:35:25
manipulated the markets, they manipulated the economy and
00:35:30
threw it out of balance. Like that's what they did.
00:35:33
They made people vulnerable. Unfortunately, and that's why
00:35:36
we're seeing, like, people are already feel vulnerable.
00:35:40
They've already been to stabilized and now they're going
00:35:42
to come in with the more taxation to, really, I guess
00:35:47
finish it all up. Yeah.
00:35:49
And I mean, this incredible inflation reduction act, which
00:35:54
amazing amazing. Again, it's another perfect
00:35:59
example of how they just rename something and people gobble it
00:36:03
up and say, oh, All the name of the bill is the inflation
00:36:06
reduction act. It's probably going to reduce
00:36:09
inflation. Now what happens six months from
00:36:11
now when inflation is introduced Are we going to look back and
00:36:17
say the inflation reduction Act was a failure.
00:36:20
The left probably won't. The media will probably just
00:36:22
glance by it and say well we didn't get everything we wanted.
00:36:26
It's not working yet. We have to give it more time.
00:36:28
Bubba Bubba know something else to be upset about.
00:36:33
Yeah the have a new issue. Monkey puppies.
00:36:36
Something It was financial crisis.
00:36:40
And while with hindsight, most economists would say that we
00:36:44
could have made it more targeted and precise so that we didn't
00:36:47
increase the money supply. Any more than we absolutely had
00:36:50
to. It is very important to note
00:36:52
that according to one estimate, without the American Rescue
00:36:55
plan, the economy would have come close to suffering a
00:36:57
double-digit recession in the spring of twenty.
00:37:00
Twenty one. So, two things are likely true
00:37:03
here. The government stimulus did
00:37:05
contribute to inflation but it was also a Necessary
00:37:09
intervention and the much bigger Point.
00:37:12
Again, not necessary. It was not necessary because it
00:37:18
was not necessary to shut down the government or shut down the
00:37:21
economy. That's the base that that that's
00:37:25
the premise that he's missing is that it had to be one of the
00:37:28
other It had to be the government stepped, in, or we
00:37:33
would have seen this enormous recession.
00:37:36
Yes, everything was closed. Of course.
00:37:40
I mean, you kept it, he's given you this binary Choice.
00:37:45
Yet. There's this big, third choice,
00:37:46
like the elephant in the room. Going.
00:37:48
There's this other third choice. You could have just not shut
00:37:51
down the economy. Yeah, but then, that would be
00:37:55
engaging our community. We can't do that.
00:37:58
You can't do that. Now isn't just about the
00:38:02
stimulus at all. I thought it's not just a
00:38:04
problem here in the US Britain and Germany have seen inflation
00:38:08
rates hit for decade highs. And in seven Eastern.
00:38:11
European nations is now expected to Surge past so kind of trees
00:38:14
they shut down. Its how stimuli dramatic
00:38:17
consequences? How convenient?
00:38:19
We're at an aquarium in hakone, the effects of inflation can be
00:38:23
felt here too. Is that I know could with the
00:38:25
rising price of feed They've chosen to use the cheaper
00:38:28
mackerel. How did it?
00:38:30
Oh, no, no, there is nothing here with this.
00:38:39
What they're doing. They're opening up their
00:38:40
normalizing. It.
00:38:42
They're making it 0. This is, this is not just us,
00:38:46
it's okay, it's okay. You don't have to get upset.
00:38:49
Everybody went through this everyone.
00:38:51
At least that we respect. Went through this, you know, is
00:38:53
they? They went along with the agenda.
00:38:56
Yeah. All these other European nations
00:38:59
that you love are also going through the same thing.
00:39:02
And what's the same commonality? Yeah, but they all shut down and
00:39:06
they all passed it enormous amounts of stimulus.
00:39:13
She tries to coax it to eat. The penguin doesn't like it.
00:39:22
No no it does not and I do not blame it.
00:39:26
I love absolutely everything about that.
00:39:28
My new favorite genre of new segment is now footage of what
00:39:31
appears to be a large flightless bird being a massive bitch which
00:39:35
now that I say it out loud would be a pretty accurate title for
00:39:38
the show but also remember him. Okay, so that's pretty good
00:39:43
place to stop on that show because he actually made fun of
00:39:45
himself. But yeah, that's that's a whole
00:39:49
exam. If you watch any John Oliver,
00:39:54
show your you always see people say, oh, did you see John
00:39:59
Oliver? They pass around this video of
00:40:00
John Oliver because it's so funny and they get the tangles
00:40:04
and it makes them feel good and it reaffirms their world for
00:40:09
you. But it is an example of how
00:40:11
propaganda is used and how language the power of language
00:40:14
is being used through culture, like you said, The left is much
00:40:18
better at they have controlled. These comedy shows, they have
00:40:21
controlled the late night shows. Stephen Colbert is I wouldn't
00:40:26
say Stephen Colbert's as good as John Oliver, John Oliver's a
00:40:29
little bit smoother because he kind of like, pushes things
00:40:32
through and you don't really notice, if you're not paying
00:40:34
attention, Stephen, Colbert. Just comes out and says it.
00:40:38
Trevor, Noah, tries to do the same thing.
00:40:40
I blame Jon Stewart for all of this.
00:40:42
Thank you Jon Stewart for? Yeah, he's in this on the world.
00:40:47
But let's talk about now the power of language from the rest
00:40:51
of the show. And we've talked about this
00:40:52
before, how we can use language to really enact change and get
00:40:58
people to believe in your cause. Yeah and how important that is
00:41:04
and how I believe. Conservatives, don't really know
00:41:06
how to do that. They don't their messaging,
00:41:10
they're focused on themselves and what sounds good to them.
00:41:15
And the thing that people forget is probably an de, you know, it
00:41:19
doesn't really matter for a propagandist.
00:41:23
It doesn't matter what they have to say to you, or what they have
00:41:25
to do, to get you to believe something because they can have
00:41:31
language. That's totally contradictory and
00:41:36
get the result that they Want, if the result could be totally
00:41:39
contradictory to the language they use.
00:41:41
So it's the sort of like Mindless Beast that they sort of
00:41:46
put into people where they just follow whatever the trigger is
00:41:51
like if I say somehow drinking this type of Kool-Aid is going
00:41:57
to heal me. Well logically that's not true,
00:42:00
but if they propaganda, is it enough people believe it?
00:42:06
They're not going to you know, dissect it.
00:42:08
It. So yeah, language is really,
00:42:10
really powerful and it ties into symbolism also and this is
00:42:14
another thing that people don't really have a firm grasp of, you
00:42:17
know, why is it every corporation has a logo, what do
00:42:21
they do that just for fun. No, it's because symbols carry
00:42:26
huge amounts of meaning subconsciously and yeah and that
00:42:32
is something that we've developed over time because
00:42:36
initially human beings. We Read or write for a long
00:42:40
period of time, right? We use symbols like symbols
00:42:43
represented things especially like earliest languages.
00:42:46
They use symbols like the sun. We all over the world have a
00:42:51
shared meaning of what the sun represents.
00:42:54
We don't have to use the same word to, you know, use the Sun
00:42:58
or describe the Sun, but we all know what it means.
00:43:01
It's like sunshine happiness, warmth growth, you know, all
00:43:06
these things. So they utilize language and
00:43:10
they utilize the symbols associated with language.
00:43:12
So now Trump is not just a name, it's a symbol, you know, it
00:43:16
represents all of these things Maga represents all of these
00:43:20
things and they can just use whatever they need to do.
00:43:25
They can use it to do whatever they want with it.
00:43:29
Here in California. I think there's a huge problem
00:43:33
with conservatives or Republicans.
00:43:38
Not understanding the power of language to in their case win
00:43:45
over voters who are not on their side.
00:43:47
Yeah and I've talked about this before because if Republicans
00:43:55
are fine with patting themselves on the back and you know Brian's
00:44:00
Ali just yeah they're patting ourselves on the back that the
00:44:04
participation trophies are fine. They're fine with Brian doll.
00:44:08
Just even got on the ballot to challenge.
00:44:10
Newsom. Then I guess they're doing a
00:44:13
good job. Then they're doing a fine job of
00:44:15
just being in the race. I don't think they'll be in the
00:44:19
race much longer if they keep down this path, I think they'll
00:44:21
become irrelevant because they don't know how to talk to
00:44:25
Californians. And I don't think they know how
00:44:28
to talk to a wider audience of Californians, outside of their
00:44:32
small of their small base and it is certainly an issue of
00:44:39
learning how to Take conservative values or
00:44:45
republican values and change them into language.
00:44:50
That would make Californians go, huh?
00:44:54
Okay, I can agree with that. Would you would you say that?
00:44:58
That's a problem here in California?
00:45:00
Yeah. I would say, more importantly,
00:45:02
though rather than try to make their own sort of phrases and
00:45:07
things like that, it would be even, it would be better and
00:45:11
faster. To just co-opt existing
00:45:15
language. Co-opted, you know, build new
00:45:18
associations with it, and use that path because there's
00:45:23
always, there's already sort of that Tunnel built.
00:45:25
You know, there's already sort of that infrastructure built
00:45:28
when there's meeting assigned to a phrase and if they just, you
00:45:33
know, Co-op that you and you can do it.
00:45:35
You just make media that explains things to them.
00:45:40
You make a similar type of Of John Oliver thing that says, oh
00:45:43
no taxing. The rich is this, and then
00:45:46
change the meeting to being a negative thing or we don't need
00:45:49
to do that or it's unnecessary. And, and you can very well do
00:45:53
that because that triggers still there that that positive
00:45:57
associations already there with that phrase, let's say, like
00:46:00
that's a good thing. That's something I aligned with
00:46:03
and you can co-opt it but that's like, really, really complicated
00:46:06
and that's something that people I think are really scared to do.
00:46:13
And it requires a lot of different.
00:46:16
It's like sort of like a greeting a weed.
00:46:20
You still that grass but you can't uproot that we didn't even
00:46:22
plan something else. Yeah.
00:46:26
Yeah. It's like one example.
00:46:29
And I've been trying this out on Twitter just to just see if
00:46:32
leftist heads explode, is this whole issue of the open air drug
00:46:39
or the safe drug injection sites.
00:46:43
Now what's one quality? That leftist, usually think they
00:46:47
are when they vote for certain things.
00:46:52
They usually paint themselves as very compassionate.
00:46:55
I vote for stuff because I'm compassionate because I care
00:46:57
about the little guy. But when you bring up the idea
00:47:01
of well you're pushing this policy that is effectively
00:47:08
keeping people in a horrible State and slowly poisoning them
00:47:13
to death. That's not very compassionate.
00:47:16
And it's one of those things where you can kind of take their
00:47:19
own emotions and values kind of flip it around and go.
00:47:23
Are you compassionate if you're voting for someone to quite
00:47:27
literally kill themselves? Exactly.
00:47:30
And it's fun to watch leftist, try and argue their way out of
00:47:33
it and be like, what what else do you want them to do?
00:47:36
I'm like, Get off drugs, that would be compassionate, get them
00:47:40
a life back. Give them, meaning that's more
00:47:43
compassionate. You want them to die in a
00:47:45
gutter. And I think that's, you know,
00:47:49
it's funny. But it's, you have to kind of
00:47:52
latch onto these qualities that they have in, turn it on their
00:47:57
head and be like, you're not very compassionate.
00:48:00
You think you're compassionate but you're not very
00:48:02
compassionate. Yeah, it's flipping it around,
00:48:05
on them. Yeah, exactly.
00:48:06
But, you know, honestly, I actually saw a piece of
00:48:09
propaganda. One of those little like means
00:48:11
where they're doing the explainer videos, and this guy
00:48:14
was explaining, oh, who are you to tell people what they can do
00:48:18
with money? You know, that's not fair if
00:48:21
they want to do drugs. That's their right.
00:48:24
That's their life. So it's just like, really.
00:48:28
I thought we did this whole mask thing because we care about our
00:48:32
neighbors so much When did that stop like, should we care?
00:48:37
They're not going to poison themselves stuff.
00:48:39
So, yeah, they have a lot of Frank again though.
00:48:43
They have a lot of fragmentation.
00:48:45
So, yeah, and it's not necessarily winning over leftist
00:48:50
like that because you're probably never going to win them
00:48:54
over there until they come to a full like coming to Jesus
00:48:58
moment. But people who Maybe independent
00:49:05
voters, or moderate Democrats. Who identify?
00:49:08
What some of those values you can learn to use that language,
00:49:12
and push it too. Meet your goals.
00:49:18
Like one thing is school choice. If you phrase school choice in a
00:49:25
way of well a lot of people say school choice, the left will say
00:49:30
ah school choice is racist, it's horrible and that it that.
00:49:33
But if you phrase the argument in that actually, it helps more
00:49:36
children in lower inner city communities to get out and to
00:49:43
have a better chance. A more successful future.
00:49:47
Why are you against that? And also pointing out that
00:49:53
you're fine with public school, they should go to a school based
00:49:57
on where they were born, that doesn't seem very fair.
00:50:00
It doesn't seem very like. It doesn't seem very
00:50:03
compassionate, doesn't seem very helpful to that that child.
00:50:06
I think that's a way to kind of argue school choice.
00:50:10
So that moderates moderate Democrats or Independents can
00:50:13
kind of look at it go. Yeah.
00:50:15
Okay. Now I can get on board with it.
00:50:18
Exactly. Yeah.
00:50:20
That that will require a nice video, you know, some friendly
00:50:25
pictures of people going where they want to go and feeling
00:50:28
free, you know, associate Freedom with it and and, you
00:50:34
know, more equality, I guess, you know, all of these positive
00:50:37
aspects that you could associate with that.
00:50:40
But for them I mean that's why the left is so good.
00:50:42
They've already prepackaged like okay, this is your media
00:50:46
response to it. I asked a leftist, okay, why are
00:50:51
you against it? And they're like, oh, it'd be
00:50:53
funds the schools and I'm like, oh no, it did fund schools and
00:50:57
in bad neighborhoods and I'm like, okay, so throwing money at
00:51:03
something is not going to work, it hasn't worked.
00:51:05
So what's wrong with that? And they you know, they don't
00:51:07
really have an argument but it's just it's mean to defund the
00:51:10
schools because those poor Public School teachers might
00:51:16
actually have to go. Go do something else.
00:51:19
No, another piece of propaganda. I saw in California and we just
00:51:22
talked about last week. Was this whole issue of monkey
00:51:26
pox and how like you were saying before?
00:51:29
Made me think of it for two years.
00:51:31
It was we have to care about our neighbors.
00:51:33
And we have to do X, Y, and Z. And we have to do all this
00:51:37
because we want to contain covid as much as possible.
00:51:42
Then you have door Ali Festival. We're basically at their like
00:51:48
screw everybody else in the world.
00:51:50
We're going to go to Door alley and we're going to make this
00:51:52
even worse than it already was. So that's an interesting how
00:51:57
they switch that around to it went from We have to shut down
00:52:01
the economy because we care for each other and we don't want
00:52:05
this to spread to, you can't shut down this Festival because
00:52:09
we want to go out and have fun. So, and that's the hierarchy.
00:52:16
Now, there's a hierarchy of people.
00:52:19
There are they they they are allowed whatever you associated
00:52:24
with them, they're allowed to do, you know?
00:52:26
Yes. So it's still got a couple
00:52:31
minutes left. This might be a good question to
00:52:35
end on. Or maybe a tough question to end
00:52:39
on. What's the best piece of
00:52:41
propaganda? You've seen.
00:52:44
Oh, the best piece of propaganda.
00:52:46
I've seen. Um, that's really difficult
00:52:52
because I would have to say, honestly, the best piece of
00:52:57
propaganda is the whole masking propaganda that they created
00:53:03
that campaign, the way they did it, and I'm sure people don't
00:53:06
remember this, but when they started the whole covid thing,
00:53:10
you're in your house, you're on your phone, you're watching TV,
00:53:13
you're not going to work. They flooded the internet with
00:53:17
those means just images, images, images explaining to people.
00:53:22
Why you wear a mask, you were a mess because you About people
00:53:25
you wear a mask this and I think they had just like a bunch of,
00:53:28
you know, like filler accounts, like a bunch of bots, whatever
00:53:33
it is. And they had a huge amount of
00:53:35
artwork on the ready for it to explain why you're going to
00:53:39
adopt this mask. And so after you know a week of
00:53:43
that just seeing that all over the Internet and everybody's
00:53:46
accounts. It was just common sense, you
00:53:52
know, you need to wear a mask because you're protecting other
00:53:54
people and other people have to wear a mask because it's
00:54:00
necessary. And then, then they finally at
00:54:03
the very, very end tail. End of it.
00:54:05
They brought out a piece of like, propaganda about Linda,
00:54:10
woo. I think that's who she was.
00:54:12
She's like, a talking head for MSNBC and she was like, okay, we
00:54:17
have one way masking now. So you know if you're wearing
00:54:20
your mask you're fine it's just like is insanity.
00:54:26
It's literally. So that was definitely I think
00:54:28
the best because it works so well.
00:54:29
Everybody was doing it. Yeah.
00:54:33
And it's still ingrained in people, people still do it and
00:54:36
then if they see numbers go up and the media tells them numbers
00:54:40
are going up, which out for covid.
00:54:42
All of a sudden you start to see you can just walk down the
00:54:44
street and start to see more and more people wearing masks and
00:54:47
that's how Trained people are at this point to just accept it and
00:54:52
not even think or look through it.
00:54:55
So, it's a, it's interesting to look at this stuff and I urge
00:55:02
everybody to look twice when you're whatever news article
00:55:06
reading, whether it's Source, you agree with Source, you don't
00:55:11
agree with you know, take what we talked about today and look
00:55:15
at really what people are saying and kind of figure out what
00:55:17
their language is and what their goal is Yeah and see if you can
00:55:24
find other. What's the end goal?
00:55:26
That's what you. Yeah.
00:55:27
You definitely have to ask yourself.
00:55:28
What's it what's the purpose of this disregard?
00:55:31
What they're saying, what are they ultimately trying to get me
00:55:34
to do? And I do want to say to because,
00:55:37
you know, for everybody watching it's great to analyze as, you
00:55:41
know, gawk at all. This like horrible propaganda,
00:55:43
we see. But the point of us, being able
00:55:46
to recognize it and understand it is, so we can form it
00:55:50
whatever way we can. Counter-propaganda, you know, go
00:55:54
against that narrative start to build that resistance because
00:55:58
over time, you know, is going to, let's say someone who's a
00:56:02
moderate, you know, if they hear you saying something
00:56:07
contradictory over time that will help displays and mitigate
00:56:12
the effects of propaganda. So we have to be responsive to
00:56:16
it. We have to be able to recognize.
00:56:18
Okay, this is the narrative. They're going to push.
00:56:21
Let's Let's start building our own language, our own messaging
00:56:24
around it, and that's what we should be doing, but obviously,
00:56:28
yeah, we're not that great at it, but hopefully locally we can
00:56:33
at least start to do it. I don't know.
00:56:36
Yeah. And I think California is a good
00:56:40
place to start, and I say that in all Earnest, in all honesty,
00:56:45
because I think, there are people who think differently out
00:56:47
here. And if you're going to try
00:56:48
something different, try it here in California.
00:56:51
Yeah. and I think if you're going to innovate and change
00:56:55
language and how people talk about issues, I think you could
00:56:59
do it here in California and you might be surprised at the
00:57:02
results and I think people just need to get out of their heads
00:57:08
regarding. Well, we keep saying the same
00:57:11
thing we want to lower taxes and X y&z.
00:57:15
Why aren't people voting for us? Is it because you've been saying
00:57:19
the same Ronald Reagan line since 1980s and people in 2022,
00:57:24
don't identify with Ronald Reagan anymore.
00:57:28
Maybe that's one thing so it's not going to be immediate.
00:57:34
It's not going to be really. What's the gradual?
00:57:36
There's no intermediate. It's just a or be like do what
00:57:41
we like agree with us under percent, there's no gradual
00:57:44
transition, there's no gradual narrative like hey what about
00:57:48
this? And then this and then this and
00:57:49
then this the left doesn't just say automatically oh we're going
00:57:53
to make it so you're you know, in your house 100% And And
00:57:57
totally rely on welfare. They're slowly gradually
00:58:00
building that and everything they do.
00:58:03
So we have to practice that we have to find how do we slowly
00:58:07
introduce this to people so they can be comfortable with it?
00:58:11
Yeah. Absolutely.
00:58:14
Well Layla. Thanks for the great
00:58:15
conversation. Thank you for coming on.
00:58:18
Where can people find you and follow you and all that stuff?
00:58:22
Yeah, so I'm on Tick-Tock and I'm on Instagram propaganda
00:58:26
fluent And I have a YouTube channel, I'm working on because
00:58:31
I think a lot of, a lot of what I've trying to get out needs
00:58:35
like longer form. So I'm working on that, too.
00:58:37
Getting you know some 40 minutes is because it's hard to explain
00:58:41
a lot of this stuff into reels like 60 seconds and people are
00:58:46
like wait what. So yeah on on my Instagram I
00:58:51
generally just look at news and try to help people understand.
00:58:54
Okay what is this leading to like what are they going to be?
00:58:57
Building to next because you can, you know, look at it and
00:59:00
see and anticipate think the first time I saw your username I
00:59:04
was like propaganda flowing. It's like the heck does that
00:59:08
mean? I know I and then II then I put
00:59:12
it together. Okay.
00:59:14
Okay. And then I started to follow you
00:59:16
and watch your lives like she's fluent in.
00:59:19
Dissecting propaganda. And she understands I think you
00:59:23
actually. Did you pick up?
00:59:25
Don't think of an elephant because I had suggested it.
00:59:29
Were you one of those people? Yeah, yeah.
00:59:32
Yeah. That was one of the First
00:59:33
episodes I saw for miracle and I was like, whoa, this is perfect
00:59:38
and I made a little like meme around it and it goes like this
00:59:42
guy. He's, he's the perfect
00:59:45
compliment because he understands I'm new to politics.
00:59:48
So it's great to watch your show and get to understand California
00:59:51
politics, especially, it's so nuanced.
00:59:55
Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you.
00:59:57
So yeah, everyone go follow Layla.
00:59:59
A propaganda fluent, follow around tick, tock, Go Bump up
01:00:02
her. YouTube numbers, give her a
01:00:04
reason to put more YouTube content out there because I
01:00:07
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