Charlie Kirk Schools Newsom on His Own Podcast

[00:00:06] If you're a California conservative, a libertarian, a moderate Democrat, believe in common sense, or just the sane person, this is the political podcast for you. It's the California Underground Podcast.

[00:00:26] What's going on, everybody? Thanks for tuning into the California Underground Podcast, the most trusted podcast, all things California politics. I'm your host, Phil. And as always with me, my trusty co-host, the best, the fastest researcher in the West, Camille. How are you doing, Camille? I have good things. How are you?

[00:00:42] Not bad. Did a cold plunge this weekend, first time in a long time. For those of you who do not know what it's like to do a cold plunge, it is a terrifying, painful, and yet rewarding experience. What is the reward? I don't see the reward.

[00:01:04] Reduces inflammation, increases blood flow, you know, increases your energy, all that. It's supposedly like there's a list of things you can do. I don't want to go all Joe Rogan, but yeah, did it finally. I used to do it every day for a while because I was at a certain gym and they had cold plunges.

[00:01:21] Then I moved to a different gym. They don't have cold plunges. So I was at a gym where they had a cold plunge. I was like, I'm going to do it. But after not doing it for like several months, my body freaked out the minute I put like my feet in and like my heart was like racing. I'm like, so.

[00:01:38] Well, it's still cold too. Anyway, like the weather's. We started to go towards spring and then all of a sudden this last couple of weeks we dipped into cold. It's sunny, but it's still cold. I don't know about you, but we're expecting a bunch of rain this week. We got a bunch of rain. Yeah, it's still cold outside where the cold plunge was. So it was chilly outside and then you're in like 38 degree water.

[00:02:07] So that's like anyway, but after a certain point, once you get it, once you get it down pat and you get your breathing right, I think your body just goes numb and you just don't feel anything anymore. So, but it was good to get that in anyway. Tonight's episode is going to be a little, I guess a little less serious or as you know, one of our more unserious episodes, which makes it kind of fun.

[00:02:32] And we have to do that every once in a while we have to lighten up. But I do want to say like Keely's episode this past week, episode 302, if you haven't checked it out, go watch it because I know Camille feels the same way. It was honestly one of the most fascinating episodes we've done. And whenever we have guests who come on and educate us about stuff that we know nothing about it, we just sit there.

[00:02:58] I'm like, I'm just so fascinated to learn all this stuff. And there was some shocking stuff in there. So what'd you think about Keely's episode? Keely's episode. So you're, you're a reader. I'm a reader. To me, it felt like, like, cause it's our first episode since, since hers a few days ago. And it feels like when you read a really good book and you finish the good book and you like, you enjoy reading, but you're almost not ready for the next book.

[00:03:21] Because you're still just like, in that, that zone of like, just still processing that really good book that you just read. And that's kind of how I feel going in today, which I'm thankful that I guess we're going to be a little less serious, if you will, because that episode was so good.

[00:03:37] It was like, she, all the information she had was really important information, but she laid it out so well. And in a way that was entertaining, not to say that I like enjoyed the information, if you will, because it was kind of a heartbreaking subject. Really sad with the ranchers being just like, you know, kicked out of not only California, but America in general.

[00:03:59] But she laid it out so well and in such a good way that it kept my attention the whole time. And so I do feel like where it's like, I've just put down a really good book and I'm not ready for the next book. Yeah, it was, uh, there was a lot to learn and her site America on one, uh, she writes and she's a journalist and she does all this great work. And it is amazing and sad at the same time that this is news that like nobody's reporting on in California.

[00:04:25] Like we just forgot that like, there's a ton of ranchers and farmers here in California that just go unnoticed and like nobody cares and nobody hears what issues they have. And like they're facing drug cartels. It's just, it's really heartbreaking. So we're, we were happy to have her on. Um, we told her anytime she wants to come back, she can come back. Um, so highly suggest you go check out that episode, but tonight's episode is going to be a little bit more lighthearted.

[00:04:52] We're going to be talking about, uh, Gavin Newsom's first podcast with Charlie Kirk. Yes, we listened to the whole thing. So you don't have to suffer through it. Um, we're going to be, I mean, you're gonna have to listen to some of it cause we are going to play portions of it, but you'll have our commentary along with it. So hopefully that makes it a little bit better. Um, and then we're also going to be talking about how state workers are melting down on Reddit over the fact that they have to go back to the office. Um, but before we start,

[00:05:21] we do have our cringe moment of the week or at least this episode, um, here are our little stinger as always. You think you just fell out of a coconut tree future governor of California right there on our way.

[00:05:35] Um, don't jinx it. Don't say it too loud. Uh, so this video has been making the rounds and I, I, well, I'll play it first and then we'll, we'll give our, our feedback. I don't know who's been.

[00:06:14] I can't see that. I don't know who they're paying as their social media director for the Democrats right now, but whoever it is, they are ripping them off because it's bad. Like we actually, it's funny. We have a queue now, thanks to this week of like cringe democratic moments that we're just going to have to spread out over the course of the next couple episodes. We don't want to just lay all the cringe on you. Um, could be an entire episode right now.

[00:06:42] We could do a whole episode. Camille suggested we just do a whole episode of cringe. I'm like, I don't know how I'd get through a whole episode of cringe. Um, yeah, I, first off it's, it's the smash brothers thing. And it's the choose your fighter thing, which I don't, that was like a tick tock trend for a hot minute. Five years ago, like during COVID, I think. Um, and somebody had this idea of like, we're just going to grab a bunch of Democrats and do the same thing.

[00:07:11] It is. It's funny to see Democrats now, maybe it's a commentary on how culture has just completely shifted because they're grasping at stuff that is no longer trending or no longer interesting. And like when they do it, it's kind of like, okay, the trend's over. Like, it's not cool anymore. You guys have done it. It just seems like they've lost control. They just killed it.

[00:07:37] Yeah. It was, I don't think it was that popular anyway at this moment. It was a popular trend, but now it's like, now you've killed it. And now it's like, people are just laughing at you. Like no one's looking at this going. And how do you propose that to any of those women in that, that video? Like, oh, we're going to record this thing and you're going to bounce around and pretend like you're ready to fight. And like, I'm not sure any of those older women know what super smash brothers is, but.

[00:08:02] I don't even know what it is. It was, I said something about Fortnite and you're like, no, it's this. And I'm like, no, it's super smash brothers. That is.

[00:08:14] If, uh, for those who do not know is a widely popular game, it was super Mario and like that whole universe. And it was like a battle game where like they'd fight each other. And like, it was huge. I mean, it probably still is huge. People love playing smash brothers, but that was like the whole thing. It was like the intro choose your fighter. And like, you had to pick all these different, you could pick Mario or Luigi or Yoshi or whatever.

[00:08:38] Um, but yeah, it's, I also don't know what they're trying to convey with this. Like this video, like, are you trying to just introduce people to these characters? Like we know who AOC is and I don't know. I just, it's one of those things where they did it. It was cringe. I'm not sure what the point of it was. Everyone just kind of points and laughs at you. So is it that those are new newer, but that's not like from a year or two, five years ago.

[00:09:06] Uh, I actually don't know when I thought it was pretty new because people were, it just kind of surfaced right now. Okay. Um, and Jasmine Crockett, who's the new, uh, and she's like a whole nother story of stuff that came out about her this week. Like she's relatively new to Congress. Okay. I think she took over Sheila Jackson's old seat in Texas. Yeah. Yeah. I have the same question. Like who are they even tried to appeal to here? And again, I apologize. Sinuses. I'm yawning.

[00:09:35] I'm tired. And I just, I sound horrible. Um, I'm okay. But no, I really don't understand what audience they're trying to appeal to and what message they're trying to send. And be like, you remove the cringe from it. I don't know what's going on here, but then add the bridge back. And you're just like, this is just a hot mess. I don't know.

[00:10:01] It's, it's one of those perplexing things that I'm not sure who they're trying to go after, who, who, what needle they think they're moving with this. Um, but this is them grasping at straws now. I guess they thought like, Hey, remember when we were cool and like, we were part of the trends and now it's like, they're catching up to the trends. And that's not how it works. Like you don't catch up to the trend after it's already started. You are the, I don't know. Um, let's just put it this way.

[00:10:28] We've come a long way from, uh, the Barack Obama hope poster being the cool thing to now Democrats doing smash brothers videos. So social media has opened up a whole new world for people. So they just, they shouldn't be a part of, but. And maybe they need new social media people.

[00:10:52] So, um, anyway, uh, speaking of social media, uh, Reddit, are you familiar with the site? Reddit? I am. Yes. Okay. I don't know. I might, there's not, everyone's not familiar. My wife didn't know what Reddit was until she met me and I had to explain to her what Reddit is. I was texting you yesterday about something I saw on Reddit. I don't know. Oh yeah, that's right. Um, I don't know.

[00:11:17] It's, it's not a smash brothers was, well, I just want, I want to make sure, but for those who don't know what Reddit is, you probably heard about Reddit. It is a, it's kind of like a chat. I don't know how to like a chat board, like, I guess a message board. Like, I guess you could say that's how it started. And the idea is like topics. What's that? A forum with specific. Yeah. That's a good way to put it.

[00:11:45] So like, you can follow anything from like baseball to like your favorite TV show. And people talk about these topics. There is a subreddit. That's what they're called. There's subreddits on Reddit. There's one dedicated to the California state workers, which just goes to show you, there is a subreddit for. Literally. That's very niche. It's very niche. And it's quite literally like everything has its own subreddit now.

[00:12:14] But last week, Governor Newsom issued an executive order where he is now ordering everyone back into the office four days a week. And as you can expect, those on Reddit were not taking too lightly to this. Did you check out any of the posts on this subreddit before? Or. I briefly read one at only a few of the comments. Okay. Of course, the comment section is always where it's at.

[00:12:44] Unless it's like YouTube and YouTube is the trashiest comments. You'll never find that. Everywhere else, it's always about the comments. It's like TikTok. I think sometimes the funniest parts of a video are actually the comments. Oh, absolutely. I'll sit there and laugh my ass off at the comments. And my wife will be like, what are you laughing at? I'm like, it's the comments in TikTok. Don't worry about it. That's exactly how Dan is. He's cracking up at college. All right. I'm going to read a couple. Okay.

[00:13:13] Just to give everybody an idea. I feel like the fringe is coming. Brace yourself. Okay. So in preparation, I'm going to do my best dramatic reading of this. It's like a table read of a dramatic HBO Max show. And because of that, I needed to get good background music. So this first one is called Why Now Gavin? Now is capitalized with two question marks.

[00:13:41] So first reading of the California State Workers subreddit. Here we go. Here we go. Why? When Americans are staring down the barrel of losing social security, healthcare, worrying about their ability to be housed or buy food and gas. Why now when we are actively being terrorized on a daily basis by federal executive orders? By wildfires and the struggle to stay insured.

[00:14:10] What made you choose this moment in time to make hundreds of thousands of lives harder by ignoring data that shows telework is effective, productive, and more sustainable than none? RTO is not an emergency response. It didn't need to happen at all, let alone during this horrible, stressful, hardscrabble time that your constituents and civil servants are enduring.

[00:14:35] We are in survival mode and you chose to add to our woes instead of addressing actual problems. What on earth made you decide now to make it clear you are aligned with Musk and his destructive policies? So that was the first one. Why now, Gavin? Why now? One of the first comments is because his dumbass still thinks he can be president. All right, we hate him.

[00:15:04] He had a glass of wine as you read that. Just holding it. Just swirling a glass of wine. Why? Why, Gavin? Why, Gavin? We should rehearse this. There's a bunch of comments. So that's the first one. Oh, man. It could have been a whole thing, Phil. It could have been a whole sketch. Next time.

[00:15:34] All right. So why now, Gavin? They're losing their minds that they're going to lose. I didn't know this. They're losing Social Security as well. They're losing Social Security. If you're working. I mean, if you're working now, you're not getting Social Security. And if you work for the government, I know for sure you're getting health care, especially California State. So I don't know what they're worrying about. And, you know, we're in this horrible time that we can't buy food or gas.

[00:16:04] I mean, with them all that. I mean, a lot of people in the private sector can't buy food or gas. But that, I mean, people still go to work. They still commute. I worked outside the home in almost 20 years. And I used to save every, like, starting for when I was 16 and working, I saved every single paycheck step. Because I knew that by the time, you know, we got Social Security, we weren't going to get it. And I was getting demand.

[00:16:32] I was going to, like, have every paycheck stub and demand. Like, no, I paid into this. You took this from me. And somewhere along the way, I lost all those in, like, one move or another. And I no longer have them. And so I can no longer prove what the government took from me. But anyway, I would like to hear this next dramatic reading. I'm very much looking forward to it. Okay. Anyway, this one is in all caps. This one's called... Oh, you got to yell then. Well, I don't know about yelling.

[00:17:01] But you can just move back for the microphone and... Well, the title is in all caps. I'm going to guide you because, you know, my theater background and all. Well, the title is The Governor's Office Hung Up On Me. I called the governor's office to give a comment about return to office.

[00:17:24] And as I was telling the woman on the phone about how telework has had a profound impact on my mental and physical health, allowing me to be present with my children, lose 50 pounds, cure cancer, solve homelessness, and stop taking medication for anxiety. The woman said, quote, yeah, I'm not writing that down, end quote. Then she hung up. I hate to call back and leave a message on their voicemail. This governor literally does not care about us.

[00:17:53] If you want to call yourself 916-445-2841. Well, yeah, the governor literally doesn't care about you. We've been telling you that for years, but, you know, it's free to keep on. If they tuned into these shows, they would know that the governor doesn't care about Californians. I don't know why that's... Is that news to them? They just learned that he doesn't care about Californians? Good for that person for losing 50 pounds. Yeah. The other stuff I was embellishing.

[00:18:21] She did not cure cancer or solve homelessness, but... Obviously, but stay home with your kids. Like, I understand that's one of the concerns is childcare, and childcare is expensive. However, as a mom, now my kids are older, but see, they don't need me to stay home with them anymore. They're literally old enough to stay home by themselves.

[00:18:53] Mm-hmm. Sometimes. If you have more than one kid, they're probably not napping at the same time. If they are, kudos to you. You're a better parent than all of us.

[00:19:23] No, because like, okay, so I'm not going to get totally into this, but that was something... I've talked about this on my Instagram when I had a bunch of health problems a long time ago. But having four kids, and my kids were like five and under when the number four was born. So that was a little crazy. But they had different feeding times. They had different naptives. They had different sleep schedules. So it was like my life was like, get up and get one baby diapers changed and fed and nursed and another one.

[00:19:51] And like cut up their chicken nuggets for them. And then get the other one down and get this one bathed and play with this one. And you know, like whatever. That was how my day went. And like by four or five o'clock, I'd be texting my husband. And like, I'm sorry, I didn't eat. I didn't make food. Can you bring me home food? And also, can I shower when you get home? I don't know how you add work onto that. And so this whole, like, you're not working.

[00:20:20] If you are, like from home, I mean, from home, there's no way you can actually get in real work done while raising multiple children. You might be able to get an hour in. You might. Yeah. Or 30 minutes here or 30, but you're not going to get back to back a few hours. And so this is, if you're working, you're, I'm sorry, you're choosing.

[00:20:47] Your kids are going to go to childcare or you're going to stay home. Like there's, you just can't do both at the same time and excel at either one. Um, yeah, I think that's always the comment about work from home is that it's sort of the, um, it really kind of badly kept secret that you work from home. You are getting stuff done that you wouldn't get done if you were working at an office.

[00:21:16] So like errands, chores, stuff that you want to get done doing laundry. If you have little kids, you're taking care of little kids. Um, I mean, but it's, it's when you're a state worker or government employee, um, you know, are you getting a solid eight hours of work in 78 hours of working? No, I don't know. I mean, maybe if you're getting up at 6 a.m. and working till 8 p.m. And then you get that somehow managed to get the time in. Yeah, that's possible.

[00:21:45] Cause I don't want to say that like motherhood, mother, it is, it's work. It is hard. It's physically and emotionally exhausting. It's mentally exhausting. It's doable. And I don't want to say that women and this now, I don't even know if this woman could have been a ban, uh, but it's not, it's not possible to do both. It's just excelling at either one is hard.

[00:22:10] And look, I don't know if you just heard that my teenage girls are like squealing in their rooms, knowing it's supposed to be quiet time. And I'm like, I'm gonna have to text them. Hey, shut up. See? Um, it's, it's not everyone. Like, I guess from my perspective as someone who works in the legal field, like we get, we track our time based on billable hours, like attorneys, you know, and that's sort of the way we bill as attorneys. That's how we make money. Ethical ones.

[00:22:40] Ethical ones. Correct. That we actually bill and work and work the hours that we're doing. Um, so I guess it's a little different if you're an attorney who has to track literally every minute of their day of what they're working on. Cause you have to prove like, Hey, I'm working on this stuff for state workers who do not have to track every single minute of, of their time. I can imagine that gives you a lot of freedom to not have to work a full seven, eight hours a day.

[00:23:07] And maybe your life is pretty sweet because you still get the same, same life. And I'm not against working from home. I'm, I think if you can, and your company offers it and they're fine with it, there, there are benefits. There's cost benefit analysis of like, you know, remote work is great because you don't have to have a huge office. You're not paying for leases and people don't have to travel. There's definitely plenty of pros and cons, but there is something about being in the office. I will say there's, there's pros and cons of being in the office.

[00:23:36] Um, you know, for me, it's like, can I walk down the hall and talk to a colleague or can they come talk to me real quick? Like there is a little bit of camaraderie. People might be like, Oh, okay. Whatever boomer. Like it's nice working in the office. It's nice having the option to do both every once in a while.

[00:23:53] I'm not sure like people who get too comfortable working from home probably have got this, this emotional response is probably because they've gotten very comfortable doing what they kind of want to do and having that freedom and getting work done. But, um, yeah, if I were going to be working again, I would want to do it from home. Yeah, absolutely. Now I will say too, as, as a mom, certainly the early years can be very lonely.

[00:24:21] You're kind of only talking to children and then you go to the grocery store and you find yourself telling the cashier of your life story. You're like, I'm sorry. I haven't talked to an adult in a week, but, um, and so yeah, getting into the office, that actually can be very good for you mentally. Um, and then, you know, when it comes to groupings, being able to like have people right there and just bounce ideas off of each other instead of trying to coordinate phone calls, uh, that could all be easier there. Yes.

[00:24:48] There's pros and cons to both, obviously going to an office, you have to commute, um, which is going to cost money one way or another. Uh, it's more time that you're then taken away from home, especially, you know, in California where we know what traffic is like something down the street can still end up taking 20, 30, an hour, you know, like we know how this goes with our freeways and stuff. And, and you're doing that both ways. Yes.

[00:25:13] That is a couple hours more additional hours that you're away now from your life, your home, your free time. I see that. Um, I get that working from home as a woman. If you're not doing a bunch of zoom calls and stuff, you don't have to worry about your appearance. You don't have to do your hair and makeup every day. Uh, that another time saver. Um, I understand all that.

[00:25:37] I do, but if your employer wants you, they have expectations of you, like you can either take it or leave it. Yeah. Um, all right. I have one more. Um, so this one is a little bit profanity laced. I'm going to censor myself, but, um, this one's really, really angry. This one's feeling defeated and I'm tired of it.

[00:26:08] Feeling defeated because with the current national situation, I would comfort myself that at least we live in California. And now this. So F this, F you Newsom for showing your true colors and not being the safe space during everything going on. F you for your lack of transparency in your agenda. F you for working in your multi-million dollar home in Marin as we continue to go in.

[00:26:37] F you and your condescending email you sent out today pretending it's for us, for the greater good. We know your agenda. I would never vote for you if you go for a presidency. Who is with me? I will be at the S-E-I-O-U strike. F you Newsom. These are real. These are actually, I'm literally reading off Reddit right now. Are they really real?

[00:27:08] They're really real. Right on these shelf, like this is you. Nope. I did not write. There's the fact that he put in safe space. It shows you everything, uh, you needed to know. Um, the funny, I was reading cause there's been more since this. This was like a couple of days ago. It's, it's interesting. Now they're breaking down like how much we're spending on these buildings to have people there.

[00:27:32] And they're like, wow, what a waste of money to have all these buildings that, that no one should be working in. Like maybe we should get rid. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Wait a second. Maybe you're starting to see. What just happened to like, you're aligned with Elon Musk. F you. But it looks like Doge California is necessary. Is the underlying like theme. Like we, we, wow.

[00:27:59] We waste so much tax dollars and money on all this, this space for us to go work in. Oh, okay. There's also this whole, like they're, they're saying it's because of the downtown area is complaining that there's no workers downtown anymore. And that they're like Newsom donors. That's why he's doing this. Um, I wouldn't, I wasn't expecting this when this passed. I was like, oh, okay.

[00:28:25] Uh, interesting that he went with the whole return to, I figured it's anything close to aligning with Trump and Musk. He would not come anywhere close to. And instead he literally just parroted the same exact executive order that they did. People are turning on Newsom this week. And like, we're going to kind of get more into that with the, the Charlie Kirk podcast.

[00:28:50] But, um, it's funny because they're turning on him for all the things that they've supported. Like, it's like, these are things that we alleged MAGA people, you know, the extreme far right, you know, Nazis, you know, uh, it's things that we've advocated for. Which is all this unnecessary spending. And like, we've talked about if everyone's working from home for the last four or five years, why are we paying for all these buildings? Like, why is like, we're being taxed for that.

[00:29:20] And now all of a sudden they're bringing these things up, but they're bringing them up anti Musk. Yet this is what the Doge Musk thing has been about. And then we'll get more into like what they've turned on Newsom regarding the podcast. But like, I'm sure it's temporary. It's short-lived. People's memories are short. Next week, they'll be praising him for whatever and want him to be president. But right now they're really turning on Newsom. It's interesting to see. What's going on, everybody?

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[00:30:43] They'll get that discount. Support the show. You can support Stopbox. And this is proudly made in the good old U.S. of A. So go to stopbox.com forward slash California Underground for your discount. And let's get back to the show. About this. About this. And just kind of like not to give away any of the podcasts, but I don't like that Gavin was like, well, we're having real conversations. We need to change the conversations or shift the conversations or whatever.

[00:31:13] But like, yes, but no, we need to shift action. I want less conversation. Like I just said, I want more conversations like this. But I want less conversation and more action. You know, like you could say all the things in the world, but you're not acting on a single of them. And that's what we need. Right. All right. Ready to get into it. I do have some timestamps here in the show notes that we can hop around to.

[00:31:43] Should we just start off at the beginning or just jump to the first timestamp? We do have a lot to cover. So probably just the first timestamp. We can skip over. Let's see if I can get to. Unfortunately, I didn't write timestamps. I know. I bet too. And I told you I would, and then I didn't. I lied. Let's see. Let's get this set up. And we can start this up. All right. Like I told you, I listened to the audio.

[00:32:14] Haven't seen the video yet. So I might have all brand new reactions and I'm already this screen. The screen already looks bad. Very unattractive. I think this is the point that I want to start at. And then we'll skip to the first timestamp that we have. Favorite state in the union. You're doing such a great job here, by the way. No, I'm honored to be on the show. Thank you. And you were just down at USC. I was at USC yesterday. Drew a big crowd.

[00:32:40] By the way, I knew you were at USC early because my niece who's graduated. She was the one with the MAGA hat on. She was. By the way. But she was down there and she was like, she said. You never know. These kids are going to the right. I'm aware. She said, this crowd's crazy. He said, she said, and the only reason she said, she would have said it perhaps otherwise, but she knew you were coming on. The worst part though, Charlie, no BS, true story. Literally last night, trying to put my son to bed. He's like, no, dad. I just, what time? What time's Charlie going to be here? What time?

[00:33:11] And I'm like, dude, you're in school tomorrow. He's 13. He's like, no, no. This morning wakes up at six up. Then he's like, I'm coming. I'm like, he literally would not leave the house. Did you let him take off school? No, he did. Of course not. He's not here for a good reason. But the point is the point. You canceled school for like two years. Once one, the point is the point, which is you are making a damn dent. Thank you. I'm kidding. I'm no, but I know. And I did want to get that one. And I thought that was a pretty good jab by Charlie Kirk. You closed schools for two years. Why?

[00:33:39] Why all of a sudden you can't let your son go for one day. Also, he goes to a private school that you paid a bunch of money for. I think it'll be fine. I think that's hilarious that Gavin Newsom's son is obsessed with Charlie Kirk and loves Charlie Kirk. But is he like? Okay. I say that because there was this weird thing at the beginning and we didn't watch the beginning, but it was like my first note where they're both kind of doing this like kiss ass thing. Like, oh, but you're so great. Oh, but you're so. And I wanted to be like, shut up.

[00:34:08] Well, they were being cordial to each other, you know. Yeah, but there's cordial and there's like Drew Barrymore laying on the ground hugging Kabbalah's feet. Crazy kids. They were kind of in between the two. There's a little bit too much. Yeah, I imagine if Gavin is saying that on his podcast that his son loves Charlie Kirk and I've heard rumblings of like his kids or one of his kids is conservative. His kid is 13 and he's conservative because he likes Charlie Kirk.

[00:34:38] Also, his in-laws are also uber conservative. Like they live in Florida. They donated to Ron DeSantis like a ton of money. Like they are both like it's funny just like there are conservatives around the Newsom family. But it's even funnier thinking that Gavin Newsom's own son is tuning into Charlie Kirk and loves him. It's like we were talking at the beginning of the show.

[00:35:01] It's that culture shift of like people on the right have figured out how to grasp about this culture shift and are just taking a hold of it. And Charlie will talk about that in a little bit. So this first time stamp is where Charlie is talking about he didn't go to college. And for those of you who don't know this, Charlie Kirk did not go to college. He dropped out of college and then he went and started turning point. He dropped out of college basically. Yeah.

[00:35:26] But either way, he didn't complete like a college degree and he started turning point USA and wildly successful now as a businessman who started this. And he's talking to Gavin Newsom about degrees in education. And I just realized that we're now going to get to see all of Gavin Newsom's mannerisms in video because I didn't get to see him when I was listening on Spotify. It's just like you don't get to see the shoulder dance. The video was buried. Like.

[00:35:54] I was surprised it wasn't out right away with the team that he has. Also, why is the mic so far away from him in here? Sorry. That's just the podcaster in me. I'm looking at this like, Gavin, why is your mic like so far away? Anyway, let's watch this clip. Camille secretly moves hers closer. Like, is mine too far away? And so for you, I mean, it's interesting. Just, you know, this last week, I guess you were at USC.

[00:36:24] You were at University of Florida. You had thousands and thousands of folks. You get to your point. Your crowds are growing. 2012. Where were you? You were coming in and people were. I mean, you were taking. I mean, yeah. You were like getting threats. I mean, you still get tons of threats. Yep. But it was. I mean, what was it like just to paint a picture of you walking to a college campus? I had no money, no connections and no idea what I was doing. And yeah, I mean, we were. I didn't even have a social media account. I mean, it was just the ultimate startup. And what did you just say? I'm available.

[00:36:53] And you started at this sort of debate. It was even more scrappy. I would literally show up UW Madison with a card table and a big cardboard sign saying, debate me, you know, like here's some provocative. So you're 20 something years old. And I wouldn't even film it. I was 18 or 19. 18 or 19. And what you just. By the way, where does that end? And sincerely, to be able to debate anybody at any time, anywhere and in that environment, it's just just I mean, just you can you can say it's just confidence or it's just absolute. I mean, narcissism. What is it?

[00:37:22] Well, I mean, just or just. I hope it's not the other. But no, I mean, I guess it would just be. I mean, at the most charitable reading, it could be confidence. It also just be that I I wanted to try and challenge the predominant view. I always loved debate and disagreement. I love the kind of spar. Yeah. And yeah, I also find it to be exciting. And I wanted to try to, you know, figure out where my idea is actually that good and to kind of draw. Stress test. Yeah, exactly. 10x better than you were in 2012. At the format. Probably.

[00:37:52] Probably. And you study it or you just participate. I mean, what do you look at the old great debates or you're reading debating books? You're watching. So, yeah. And I mean, less about debate. I mean, debating is a practice that can really only be refined, you know, with lots of routine and reps and repetition. Just more about studying, you know, the great books, philosophy. Right. All those. And so you and you make a point prior to that. I mean, you to the point you never went to community college and. I didn't even graduate community college.

[00:38:21] And you didn't even graduate community, which is great. By the way, I was going to college in Marin. And I got lucky. Got a baseball coach that called me and allowed me to get to a four year university. I was joking with you before we started 960 SAT. I asked you about your SAT. I don't even know. I took the ACT. You took the ACT, which proves two things, how young you are and how different things were. You were in it. You grew up in Illinois. I grew up in Illinois. Which Midwest was traditionally more of an ACT. But this has been a point of pride for you that you didn't do a four year degree. Well, yeah.

[00:38:48] Because I represent most of the country is that actually still the majority of the country does not have a college degree. And if I may, you know, bluntly critique the Democrat Party, you guys have become so college credentialed and educated that you guys snobbishly look on the muscular class of this country, the people that kept things afloat and running during COVID. And yeah, I mean, the majority of the country didn't go to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, Caltech or Cal Berkeley. Right. Thank you.

[00:39:14] And the Republican Party has become far more representative of them, large in part, thanks to Trump. But yeah. And look, I say it with some pride also because as an entrepreneur, I tried to build something. Right. Not just seek a credential. Love that. And what? And there are what? 11 million folks. There are 11 million jobs out there. You make this point all the time. Oh, yeah. Open jobs that don't require college. They do not require a college degree. So when you say, and it's interesting because there's sort of that critique of the Democratic Party that we are captured by this sort of college elite. In what respect?

[00:39:44] I mean, stress test that for a second. Allow me to. What specifically are you referencing in that context? Well, your voters. Your voters have become nearly, I mean, the higher you go up the education ladder, the higher the correlation it is that you vote for the Democrat Party. It's almost a one-to-one with PhD. It's like 75% for master's degrees and it's 65% for 40%. Why do you think that's the case? What are the issues that sort of are identified underline in that respect? The sloppy analysis is like, oh, they're smarter, therefore they must be Democrats. Yeah, right.

[00:40:12] And I think that's silly and insane. Yeah, yeah. And insulting. I totally agree. The deeper and more profound analysis is that a lot of ideological bubbles that exist on these college campuses, they are homogeneous, not heterodox when it comes to what ideas are expressed. And then secondly, the value system that you leave on college campuses is high trust of institutions. So the biggest divide in America is not right versus left. It's whether or not you generally trust institutions or you don't trust institutions. And this has been largely inverted the last 20 years.

[00:40:42] Right. So back in the early 2000s, Democrats were low trust of institutions, Iraq War, anti-Bush, anti-NSA, anti-Patriot Act. And that's when you guys had a lot of activist spark and energy. That has been completely inverted. So the right is now low trust of institutions, where the left is high trust of institutions. We're the ones that challenge the COVID vaccine. We're the ones that think that public health authorities might have lied to us during COVID. We're the ones that don't necessarily believe the government when it says that we should keep on sending money to Ukraine. Again, that's a general rule. There are some exceptions to that.

[00:41:11] But when you go to college, you are trained to trust the experts, trust the scientists, trust the people that are leaders of authority. And the Democrat Party is largely the gatekeepers of that kind of ideological and intellectual regime. It's interesting. And so I think he, that's a great point. Excuse me. By Charlie there is that as someone who was, and I'm not ashamed to say this, as someone

[00:41:35] who was a Democrat in the early 2000s, it was this anti-trust of institutions, of the government, of the George W. Bush administration, this idea that we were being led into war. And it, that was what it really, what it felt like back then to be a Democrat was you were against this big establishment of neocons and warmongers. And you didn't like that.

[00:42:03] And that was the, that was the prevailing for the most part, I would say, ironically, until Barack Obama, that was sort of the spirit of the Democrat Party was we're against the establishment. We're against all of this. We're against big government. We're like, we're against all these authorities telling us, maybe not against big government, but against these big authority figures telling us what to do because we don't want to comply. Now, Barack Obama comes in and that was supposed to be the.

[00:42:32] The panacea for all of this of like, we got our guy in here. He uprooted it. He's the first African-American president. Like, this is the big deal. Obviously, he let a lot of people down, people like myself who then strayed. And then you, you do have that philosophical flip of now the Republicans don't trust government. They don't trust the institutions. And I could see why a lot of maybe disaffected early 2000 Democrats have moved over to the

[00:43:01] right, because if they've always been anti-authority, then this would be their natural home. Not Democrats now, because Democrats are like, you have to listen to government. You have to listen to science. You have to listen to what we tell you. You have to conform to what we want, which was never, you know, 25 years ago. That was not what the Democrats were all about. Right. Yeah. 2000 was not 25 years ago. That was rude. It was 10 years ago. I'm sorry. Yeah, exactly. No, I agree. It is.

[00:43:30] And that was an interesting point by Charlie Kirk, because yes, there has been this complete shift in that of who's not trusting the institutions and who's not trusting the, you know, the bigger, louder voices and telling us to trust the science and trust this and trust the experts and all that. And you guys, well, you are no longer a part of that. But back then, you were a part of that. And it has switched. So it is very interesting.

[00:44:00] Yeah. And it kind of, I guess maybe that's why it makes it, again, it's that culture idea of like they're trying to hold on to a culture and now I'm doing the hand thing like Gavin Newsom. Using your hand speak is okay. He just has a whole weird sign language that doesn't exist. It's like they're trying to hold on to this culture of like we're anti-establishment and yet you are completely for the establishment.

[00:44:27] You love propping up a lot of these people who have been in government forever. You love propping up the government that as it's been, you like the status quo. You know, the joke is like rage against the machine is now rage for the machine. Yeah. Or like Green Day, who was all like very rebellious. Then they ended up selling out for like Hillary Clinton, who is, you know, establishment swamp creature.

[00:44:50] So you can't, you can't have that identity of we're the resistance and we're against it and we're against big institutions, but you're also for big institutions. You're for authority and you're for people running your life. So I think they've lost that disconnect is not resonating with voters. I want to play a little bit more, see if he gets this, this good point. From your perspective, I mean, as you advocate for people to sort of open up a worldview that

[00:45:20] is life without a four-year degree and all the opportunities that present themselves anew in that respect. Are you arguing for the, the disestablishment, the end of higher education? I think it's going to happen no matter what. I mean, in 10 years, artificial intelligence is going to change everything. And I don't know what these four-year degrees are actually doing to prepare these kids for that. But no, as far as like, I'm not, I mean, am I advocating for the end of the pursuit of learning? Of course not. That's one of my big critiques is that at a lot of these schools, they're not pursuing

[00:45:49] what is good, true, and beautiful. It's become the oppression Olympics and a weaponized complaint seminar of people sitting in the circle and finding out who's the, who's been offended the most that day. That's not doing anybody any good. No. And in fact, it creates a very weak political movement, which I think plays into one of the reasons why we were able to steamroll you guys back in November is that once there's a little opposition against a group of people that have never actually been, you know, had to build the muscle mass of a very difficult and unpredictable world.

[00:46:18] Whereas those of us that are conservatives, we're insulted all the time. So think about the experience of a kid on a college campus. They say they're graded differently because of their views. They may or may not be right. I think they are, but they're definitely in the ideological minority, right? You wear a Trump hat on a college campus, at least until we came around. That was like a big sign of cultural rebellion. So you have two choices. You can either stop fighting for what you believe in, or you become really tough. Yeah. And you create that muscle that allows you to then carry and shoulder a heavier burden. Right.

[00:46:47] And so just, and I don't want to belabor the issues of the establishment plot called higher education. Some have not you referred to it, though. Maybe you align yourself. I wrote a whole book called The College Scan. So it's sort of stress testing that in the context of some would argue the contra argument is, you know, a million dollars more in lifetime earnings, more likely to get married, less likely to get divorced, more likely to be civically engaged and longer life spans with college

[00:47:17] degrees. And you would say- All of those is true. It's just let's, not everyone that goes to college graduates, the national graduation rate. 41% drop. Exactly right. Also, half the kids that graduate college will not even end up using their degree when it comes to the affiliated job. So the numbers are true at the highest income. So about 10% of kids that go to college stretch out the averages to be really, really high. Got it. And so, for example, you go to Caltech to study computer engineering and applied AI. Next level. You're crushing it, right? You go to Cal to go study North African lesbian poetry.

[00:47:47] Is that an actual degree there? You tell me, Governor. I don't know. I mean, we fucked it, but I'm not sure. That's one of the courses. You don't know? Well, I don't know every single damn course. I know. It should be like no. Yeah, that was the point I was looking for. Wow. He doesn't know all that. I mean, I don't expect him to know every single degree offered all over California,

[00:48:09] but it's, you know, California does fund a lot of degrees and they do range from crazy to useless. So, any thoughts on that before we hop to our next timestamp? Yeah. Let's go forward. At pre-apprentice apprenticeships looking, not even apprenticeships in the traditional sense,

[00:48:35] but valuing and highlighting and signaling the value of a life without a degree, et cetera. So, I'm not as far off on this as you are. That said, I've got to admire what you've been able to do, not to weaponize, but to organize on these college campuses a different point of view. And again, let's talk about some of that. When you go to these college campuses, I love watching your TikTok, which is next level. Clearly, that's expressed by my 13-year-old son. I want to meet this guy.

[00:49:02] Yeah, I actually have come into a turning point event this summer, Tampa Florida Student Action Summit. I have a comment. He allows his 13-year-old to be on TikTok? Okay. I guess. To each their own, but all right. Yeah, he loves them on TikTok. So, on the Tiki Talk. Well, you could talk about, I think, the NC2A, what, 510,000? No, no, but I just didn't realize. It's 890 medals and trophies that we know of in the last five years. That's a lot.

[00:49:30] No, so I'm going to, let me step back and say completely fair on the issue of fairness. I completely agree. So, that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that. There's also a humility and a grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression. And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well. So, both things I can hold in my hand. How can we address this issue with the kind of decency that I think is inherent in you,

[00:50:00] but not always expressed on the issue. No, I get it. At the same time, deal with the unfairness. So, you asked a good faith question. Like, how do we Democrats get out of the wilderness? Yeah. This one is an 80-20 issue. New York Times poll, right? No, I agree with you. We're getting crushed on. And like crushed. And you have an opportunity in the state to be like, look, I have a heart for A.B. Hernandez. I have a heart for the San Jose volleyball player. Yeah. Let's give them compassion. What's not fair is just for like a woman's, entire woman's sports. I agree. You know. By the way, I agree with you. I agree with you. And it's interesting. I stress this.

[00:50:29] This was the big, like, this was the controversy that this was, this is what made like national headlines was him basically agreeing with Charlie Kirk that he agrees that it's unfair for men to compete in women's sports. There is something else though that he talks about in here. I don't want to belabor the point because I'm sure so many people have probably already made comments about this. Whether it's moderating or whether it's him just trying, because it was such an unpopular issue.

[00:50:58] It was a third rail of politics and it obviously hurt Kamala Harris. I think that's what he goes into next about like a little bit of advice to the Democrats. I said this, Charlie, I was wondering, I said, you know, in California, and I've been a leader in the LGBTQ places as face, as you know, back in 2004 was marrying same sex couples. And I know we have different opinion on, on, on, on marriage equality. And so I've been at this for years and years. I take a bad seat to no one, but I was actually on the issue of sports, which in the last few

[00:51:28] years has just exploded. Trying to understand and understand the 10 athletes in the NCAA, 510,000 athletes, but 10 athletes. And what, but how profound, and even my own friend cohort, people saying the hell is going on? Why aren't you calling this out? When did this happen? And so in 2000, it turns out in 2014, years before I was governor, there was a loss. If you, if you're not listening or you're not watching on YouTube and you're just listening

[00:51:52] on audio, uh, I think you can see in Charlie Kirk's head is based on his reaction of like, we've just made national news with Gavin Newsom agreeing about agreeing with me on transgender athletes. And you can see his like eyes get like, like, okay, are we getting this? Okay. We're making sure we're getting this. Okay. Just want to make sure. Establish that established the legal principles that allow the, allow trans athletes and women's sports.

[00:52:20] Um, but the issue of fairness is completely legit. So I completely align with you and we've got to own that. We've got to acknowledge it. And I don't say that through the prism of politics because you disagree with same sex marriage on principle. Um, and so I'm not in, and by the way, I value the fact that you're not trying to walk away from that principle because electorally. I'm in the minority. Yeah. And I don't want to walk away from this principle because of electoral, but it is an issue of fairness. And I think Democrats.

[00:52:49] I think that the, I wish that we would have done this podcast last week. Last week. Well, because the U S Senate just vote every Democrat voted against that bill. And I'm just telling you, like, again, not, I'm not one to give governor Newsom advice. You guys are giving us an 80, 20 issue. That is just permeating the country. It's an issue. It's such an affront to our senses. And you look at these videos, governor, cause it's not just that it's okay. You read an article about it, but these young men that are, you know, are in these sports

[00:53:17] that are thrown around girls and it is an issue of fairness, but it goes to a broader arch narrative. There you go. Which is important. No, and this, I want to hear this, which is this, that, that, that you, that the Democrats, you guys will tend to view an incident through an oppressor oppressed lens. Yeah. It's your training. It comes from college. It comes from, and we as conservatives tend to view things through right or wrong or just or unjust. And the country is going far more in our direction and away from your direction, because the problem

[00:53:45] with oppressor oppressed is eventually you run out of oppressors and you start creating them out of thin air. Yeah. And you start trying to say, well, these people must be blamed for all of our problems. Or that's where you get a lot of the, um, let's just say a lot of, for example, there's a wall street journal editorial, like when will the white men shut up or stop complaining? That does no good for anybody. Right. No. So what, what I'm, what I'm getting at though, is it's a worldview difference. Right. And so that's why the issue is so much more powerful.

[00:54:13] I think, uh, you know, not to sit here and just fluff up Charlie Kirk. He does make a lot of good points. And this is why these conversations are really important is because he's making these points to someone who is on the other side and he's saying to them very, very confidently, like, this is why you guys lost. You guys lost because I think that line is so perfect of when it's oppressor or oppressed, sooner or later you run out of oppressors. Yeah.

[00:54:42] Kind of a, a, a not kind of a derivative of Margaret Thatcher's line about socialism, but he's right. But like sooner or later you, when it becomes oppressor and oppressed sooner or later, the amount of people who are oppressed gets smaller and smaller. And I think that's where the culture shifted, where it wasn't just a broad group of victims. It now became a narrower and narrower and narrower group of like, and that's probably why transgenderism

[00:55:12] does resonate with voters is this idea of like, well, we're oppressed and everyone's like, okay, but you're like one half of 1% of the entire population. And you think we all are oppressors and you do start running out of oppressors. And then you turn those people into voters for your other party. So he's, he's completely right that you can't keep rushing out the victim mentality. And I don't think the Democrats have learned.

[00:55:38] So kudos to Gavin Newsom for sitting here and listening to it. I don't think Democrats in the left have learned this theory. I think they still are placing everything in oppressor and oppressed. Look at what, how they're talking about Trump and Musk is, you know, they're oligarchs, they're billionaires, they're oppressing us, they're taking away this, they're destroying our government and they're stealing from like, it's this oppressor oppressed idea and they can't get past it. Um, and you know, keep going with what you're doing.

[00:56:06] And if you want to keep suffering big losses, which I'm not, I'd be okay with, but, um, yeah. Any thoughts? Well, I'm going to take a step back and go to, so in this issue of transgenderism, transgender, I cannot speak trans gender, they are people. They, they absolutely, their lives matter.

[00:56:32] Now we could argue and we're not going to, but we could sit here and argue all day long about, is this a mental thing? Were they bored this way? Is this right? Is this wrong? Yada, yada, yada. Remove all that. They're still people. Um, that doesn't mean that males should be allowed to compete in female sports, especially what we're talking about, like at the, like the high school level and stuff where these girls are getting their butts kicked and bet, you know, awards taken away that should have gone to them and stuff.

[00:57:00] Uh, but back to what I said earlier about Gavin Newsom wants to change the conversation and have these real conversations and stuff. Talk, talk, talk. Great. And he, you know, the headlights have been Newsom breaks from Democrats. No, he didn't. He tried to just say something that would hopefully get him. It has, it has gone viral, uh, you know, talking points for his presidential election, but his actions speak louder than words and his actions have very much been not protecting the girls and women.

[00:57:30] And so, uh, I just wanted to hold it on that for a moment because we just, you know, passed that part of the message. And I think that's important. And I know, I know everyone's talking about it and it's been said a thousand times. And like I mentioned also early in the episode, now we've got the Democrats turning on Newsom. They're turning on him for this, but again, all he said was a few things and kind of agreed with Kirk on like fairness. Okay. Maybe he believes that, but again, he hasn't done any sort of action to prove his words.

[00:57:59] And so dear Democrats, he did not break away from you. He's totally with you still. So dear conservatives, he is not moderate. He is still a raging liberal. Still a San Francisco liberal at heart. Um, yeah, it, and the internet's forever. That's he's trying to change his positions. Like we know this podcast is geared towards, it's not geared towards people in California, right? It's not geared to the voters in California.

[00:58:28] It's geared to the people in Iowa, right? Which is why Charlie Kirk is here and nothing against Charlie Kirk. But I thought this was going to be like a California podcast. Silly me. Uh, no, it's, it was going to be Gavin Newsom commenting on national politics. It's, uh, it's clearly his trying to pretend like we're more aligned than you think. And we probably are more aligned than we all think. We love to all disagree.

[00:58:56] We probably really, if we sat down, we would agree on most basic issues. We just kind of disagree on how to get there. But, um, but Newsom, no, he's, he's not, he's not middle of the road. He is nowhere near moderate. Um, I'm going to continue to watch these podcasts, but, but it's, it's a lot of BS. So, um, no, I think that point needs to be emphasized really well.

[00:59:26] And generally for those listening out there, we do get in our little bubbles and political tribalism does take over, but it is so important that you do realize there are more things we have in common than we don't. And usually if you talk to people on the other side, we all sort of agree on a lot of the same things. And yeah, you're right.

[00:59:49] How we get there may be completely argumentative, but I think it does, it's sort of, you have to be able to reach out to people on the other side and talk to them and find out we do have a lot more in common. There's stuff we don't agree on. Um, because they want you to think we're like this far apart when in reality, I think like most of America is like, like this far apart. Right. Like we're in people who can't see, like, I just put my hands out and put them in real close.

[01:00:20] People were listening on audio or like, what's he doing? Like really out like arm's length away from each other. And then like really close together. Like we're that close together. Um, all right, let's, let's hop ahead to the next point. It's a super turbocharged issue that is kicking the tail of Democrats. The third one though is quality of life is quality of life. I agree with you on this one. But like, I mean, look, no, I know you listen, 10 minute camp is out of control. Unacceptable. Yes.

[01:00:51] A little bit. You know, why is it you were able to clean it up? Uh, I, in fact, directly, we actually put out the data. I was, I actually reached out to the administration saying, are you not aware that California coordinates and cooperates with all CDCR releases over 10,000? Explain the sanctuary state thing then. What is the difference? That the statewide sanctuary state in the local sanctuary cities. Not you. Yeah. Which in the statewide framework allows us to work as it relates to issues of criminals and

[01:01:19] coordinating the release of criminals from our federal or from our state prison population, prison system. We coordinate with ICE on the deportation. We've done that over 10,000 times since I've been governor. We're not denying access. We're not denying coordination. I'm glad to hear that. That's why I asked. For criminals. Sanctuary policy was never. I would, I would say if you break into the country illegally in eight USD 1325 is a breaking of federal law, right? Civil, not criminal. But it is a federal law. I get it.

[01:01:48] So I'm saying so, by the way, if you, if you're serious about moderating the party, eight USD 1325, mass majority Americans. So we got that. No, no. Majority Americans want mass deportations. It's just the thing. Until, until they don't. Well, okay. That's my humble opinion. Until they don't. Okay. Someone has been here too. What dumb logic. Vast majority of Americans want mass deportations until they don't. Oh, okay.

[01:02:15] Mass amounts of people want the N64 until they don't. And then they want the next video game system. What? Like that. Right. Like, but okay. We're talking about now. Right. Like we're talking about people now want mass deportations. So your, your argument is, well, we're not going to do anything because we know the American people might eventually come around and they might not want mass deportations.

[01:02:39] Who cares if the large majority of Americans want it now, but down the line, they may not want to give us some time to use our corporate media and to use our talking heads, tell people why mass deportations are bad. Then they'll come back around. And until then we're just going to drag our feet and not like do what the American people want because we really know what they want. Like that's such weird logic of like, they want it until they don't. Right.

[01:03:06] I wanted a 2020 Range Rover in 2020, but now it's 2025. So. You don't want that anymore. I don't, I, I've upgraded my dreams. So yeah, we'll see. Then your husband was, you know, he was doing the Gavin Newsom. You want it until you don't. He was correct when he said it wasn't a good use of money. He just said, I'm going to wait this out. And sooner or later, she's not going to want a 2020 Range Rover. So. Her wants are going to just increase in value.

[01:03:37] Yeah. No, that is, you're right. Like that's. That's, this is how elections work. I do understand what his point was. His point was they want these mass deportations, but then when it comes to anybody who is a farmer or employs their illegal housekeeper that they pay under the table or their nanny or something like that, I get that that was his point, but also those aren't the people that are being deported.

[01:04:07] In fact, I've heard that the deportations have actually decreased greatly. Like, you know, those first couple of weeks, Trump was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they were starting with the people that were like known rapists, you know, murderers, robbers, like whatever. Violent criminals. Violent criminals. They were violent. And that wasn't your housekeeper or your strawberry picker. But that also goes back to the part where it's racist Democrats because they are always

[01:04:37] implying that the illegals are the cheap labor. They're always who's going to do this in this for you. You know, who's going to clean your house? Who's going to nanny your children? Who's going to pick strawberries? Who's going to pick your crops? Who's going to mow your lawn? It's the Kelly Osborne, you know, Trump better be careful because if he deports all the illegals, who's going to clean his toilet? And it's like, whoa, OK, right. What you and that was that was dropped really quickly. That was all over X for a while.

[01:05:06] That talking point of like, oh, well, you know, food prices are going to go up because they're deporting all the illegals. And everyone's like, so that's all you think illegals are just out working in the fields like, OK, or that's why you want to keep them here is to exploit cheap labor like that. That's not a winnable argument. Don't make that argument to the American people. Just by your standards, by Democrat standards of virtue signaling and wokeness, don't make

[01:05:33] that argument that you're for cheap labor and basically slavery. That's that's not a good look. All right. We'll keep going. You're 10 years paying taxes. I don't buy it. You might. Well, but at the moment, you're right. You might be right. The number is buried up. We'll see. Number two, we mentioned the trans stuff. It's an affront to all of our senses. It's out of control. You don't believe in it fundamentally. It's not just sports. It's not stuff. You just don't. I mean, get back to living. I mean, I think the views are separate than the political advice.

[01:06:02] But if you'd like me to do a whole. No, I get it. Charlie Kirk asked me anything and you would show up to Cal State Northridge on Thursday. I've got 25 talks of what your feelings are. So actually, that was a question. I didn't know if you want it. It's fine. I just don't think that's the best use of my time. But on the political advice is that Americans increasingly believe that their good heartedness and charitable nature towards the LGBT issue has overblown, especially with youth sports, youth curriculum, and the chemical castration of our kids when it comes to this medical therapy.

[01:06:31] And you seem that you want to really – I encourage you, Governor, to learn about some of the butchery under the guise of health care that is happening under chemical castration in this state and in other states. We don't spend a lot of time on that. The American people are overwhelmingly against it. They're overwhelmingly against it. I think we have to be more sensitized to that. Youth should be off limits. I think that's the political direction things are going. You might be right on deportations. I know I'm right on this. I know that this issue is picking up steam. There is no good counter to it.

[01:07:00] The cast report, the United Kingdom cast report, the NHS came out and said there's no good reason to ever operate surgically on a young person. Puberty is not the problem. Puberty is the solution. I think I encourage you. I'm not an expert in this, but I appreciate your broader. But I'm saying politically, it's a turbocharged issue that is kicking the tail of Democrats. The third one, though, is quality of life. Is quality of life. I agree with you on this one. Especially. But, like, I mean, look. There's one point. If you are not watching and you're just listening on audio, we were talking about body language before.

[01:07:29] Like, we both listened to this before we saw the body language. You could see Newsome was, like, getting up in his chair. He was very, like, oh, no. Like, don't tell me this transgender issue is, like, a real, like, loser politically nationwide. Because we've had Sonia Shaw on here, on this show. And we've talked about the whole parental notification and basically all this around transgenderism.

[01:07:57] And he came out pretty hard on one side in favor of... With Jessica Tapia, who was fired. Jessica Tapia, who was fired. So, we've had two people on this show talking about parental right notification here in California. And he came down, like, a ton of bricks. Him and his whole administration. Rob Bonta, Tony Thurman. They all came down, like, a ton of bricks on the side of transgenderism. So, ooh, you know, the internet's forever. And we don't forget.

[01:08:27] So, saying you don't think it's fair about athletes and you're not an expert in all this stuff. Well, maybe you should become an expert rather than shoot from the hip and see what, you know, what policy you think was popular back then. Any thoughts? Body language. I did notice that right off the bat. There was a whole shift where he kind of, he didn't fully stand up, but kind of got up in his chair and shifted his entire body.

[01:08:54] And you could tell it was because he was not necessarily physically uncomfortable from sitting that way for a while, but, like, physically or mentally uncomfortable, like, oh, no, not this topic. I got to kind of rearrange myself for this. Yeah. And that's going to, that's going to follow him in 2028. Like, sorry. You're either on one side or the other. He's going to try and create some wiggle room for himself. But, all right, let's keep going.

[01:09:23] Look, no, I know you do. Because this is a great point that he makes about homelessness. So, I think this will be the last point that we watch. Yeah. It's out of control, unacceptable. Yes. You know where I'm going with this. Why is it you were able to clean it up for Gigi Ping? Oh, that was you guys. By the way, you guys weaponized that. I saw that on 25 things. It was ridiculous. That was, you know what? I will happily, happily revert back.

[01:09:53] So, because we didn't watch the whole thing, this is actually the first time that we're hearing it on this podcast where Gavin Newsom says, you guys weaponize X, Y, and Z. I have it in my notes because he used that so often every time that basically not every time, but the majority of the time that Charlie Kirk said something that Newsom disagreed with. Newsom would immediately say, you're weaponizing that. Everything was your weaponizing. And anyway, I had written that on my notes.

[01:10:21] No, disagreeing is not weaponizing. And we need to stop that argument. And I said both sides are guilty of that. In this particular instance, we're talking about Newsom versus Kirk. But certainly everyone's guilty of like, oh, you're victimizing me. You're a weapon. But Newsom very much throughout this podcast several times says, you guys weaponize this. You weaponize this. No, it's not weaponizing it. We're just speaking truth. Yeah. So, we're just telling you the facts.

[01:10:51] And Kirk does call him out and say like, you keep using that line. And we're just bringing it up. You keep weaponizing that. You keep weaponizing that. It's like, well, if telling the truth is weaponized. And he hit a sensitive nerve with this whole Gigi Ping thing about how he cleaned up San Francisco. Yes. Because he got really defensive. I'm going to raise my hand in a minute again as we continue because Gavin says something that I – anyway. All right. We'll talk about it.

[01:11:20] We'll talk about it in a minute. Back to your counterpoint as clean as Gigi Ping. In this case, weaponized. In this case, weaponized. Can I guess the Gigi Ping streets back? Give me a break. No, but Governor, with all due respect, I saw a beautiful picture of San Francisco that looked like Singapore. By the way – And then Gigi Ping leaves and the walking dead come back. By the way, he was – I had dozens and dozens of foreign leaders. And California is not San Francisco, but I'm the governor of California, not the mayor of California. I'm not the mayor of San Francisco. You were the mayor, but I just want to understand why is it that we have to clean it up?

[01:11:50] But you have to admit, it's emblematic of something that if enough – Yes. I'm sorry. I know. We're like we've gone way over time. So, Senator Scott Weiner has already come out lashing against Newsom with the transgender issue that we already talked about. But then Newsom here says California is not San Francisco. Like he really just threw San Francisco under the bus there.

[01:12:19] I'm surprised Scott Weiner didn't have more to say about that. Maybe he will. After – he probably stopped the podcast after the transgender thing and couldn't even anymore and went to a safe space. And so I'm curious to hear Scott Weiner's thoughts on California is not San Francisco. Okay, California is not San Francisco, but San Francisco is a huge part. It's like the fourth largest city in California, I believe. It's a huge part of California, and it's a part of California, and Newsom is the governor of California.

[01:12:47] And therefore, San Francisco matters. It counts. It's important. And you are still responsible for what's happening in San Francisco, Governor Gavin Newsom. Yeah. So the fact that it is not clean 364 days a year, and that is a drug wasteland, and as Ron DeSantis pointed out, people are pooping on the sidewalks. Like, no, you don't get to just say California is not San Francisco and leave it at that.

[01:13:13] You're failing San Francisco, Newsom, as well as much of the – most of the state, you're failing it, but you're big-time failing San Francisco. All right. That's my thoughts. Carry on. No, I agree with you. And he does that. He does like to push back on when things go wrong in cities. He pushes back and says, well, I'm not the mayor. This is like with the wildfires we just saw. Like, he basically was like, well, the local authorities are going to have to figure this out. It's like, well, you're the governor.

[01:13:41] Why don't you lead and tell these local authorities what they have to do? Obviously, Xi Jinping coming to San Francisco was a big deal. He was a big part of that. He did roll out – remember that whole campaign where they were getting the, you know, San Francisco PD and the California Highway Patrol and the National Guard? And they were, like, rolling out everybody. And they're like, we're going to clean up the tenderloin. And it's like, tenderloin still looks like a war zone. So what happened to that?

[01:14:10] They were, like, staffing extra police for the holiday shopping duration. You know, so that – encourage people to come out and shop and you'll be safer because we're going to have extra police around. Yeah. So, I mean, you do have some control. You do have some control. Don't write off San Francisco. Yeah, I know he's throwing San Francisco under the bus.

[01:14:33] But I did post today on Instagram about how the Bay Area is all of a sudden getting way more moderate than most people expected. San Jose Mayor just came out and said they're going to start arresting and throwing homeless people in jail who don't accept housing. And I'm like, wow, okay, that's the Bay Area right outside San Francisco. So don't throw San Francisco under the bus yet. They might be the model that you're going to run on in 2028. Yeah, they just might be.

[01:15:01] They might just create the model. They're going to be the rags-to-riches story that we all love in America. We love a comeback. And, you know, people love a city comeback. Like when New York came back in the 90s, like people love a comeback story. So San Francisco might be on that trajectory. Fingers crossed. Yeah. If important people show up, it can get clean. So why not make it clean all the time? That's exactly my – by the way, that's my energy. I think you missed a lot of my press conferences. I've been saying that to all these mayors. State vision is realized at the local level.

[01:15:30] It's about accountability, transparency. If you can't clean up the streets, we're going to redirect the money. I hope the new mayor can do that, right? He seems to be more moderate than the other. Great progress is being made. By the way, what's going on with homelessness in all these red states? You're seeing it through the roof. Went up 18% across the country. I'm not here defending every red state or what we're doing, right? But I'm making the point. This is hardly unique to California. I'm sure there's a lot of governors and mayors. Quality life is huge, right? Yeah. And then, look, the number one thing, which I know you're going to agree with, and I'm sure you'll have a super slick response, right? That's about half true.

[01:15:58] Which is the cost of housing. Average home in California, $850,000. I like what you said about BlackRock. What? So, yeah. I mean, that was interesting to me. I think that is – but again, that's not a majority of house purchasing. About one in four houses are bought by private equity. Would you agree to say that BlackRock should not be able to own homes in California? I think – and then turning around and renting them. It's insane, right? This is a huge problem across the country. You should propose a bill in the California state house. We've had one. It didn't get very far last year, and there's more conversations.

[01:16:27] A $10 trillion fund shouldn't be able to come in and buy homes. But it's not just BlackRock specifically. I mean, this is what's happening in this space. It's the idea of mass asset managers that have $50 billion asset management are now competing against our college grad from Cal State Fullerton. I love that you say this. By the way, just in that spirit, don't you agree one of the Doge things should be dealing with the $1.5 billion of subsidies on carried interest? Oh, carried interest I think is a huge problem. And by the way, you know President Trump has proposed in his tax bill to get rid of – I know he proposes it all the time, but it doesn't actually –

[01:16:56] I mean Joe Biden didn't get rid of carried interest. That is the holy grail of private equity. You know that. Carried interest. I mean – I get it. But let's go back to housing. And by the way, you're going to have a revolt in Palo Alto if you get rid of carried interest. Yeah, I should be careful about that. They're going to light torches and run to Sacramento. On the issue of housing, you couldn't be more right. All right. Those are some of the points I wanted to make. We don't have to sit here and watch the whole thing. You can go watch it yourselves, or you could just enjoy the fact that –

[01:17:26] We watched it for you. First episode, Gavin Newsom. Obviously, I think the general consensus, and we agree with it, is he is doing this for one reason and one reason only. He's not doing this because he wants to sit across from Charlie Kirk. Maybe because his son thinks Charlie Kirk is cool. I don't fault Charlie Kirk. You know, I don't fault – why people were like mad at Charlie Kirk. And this was weird.

[01:17:53] I made this comment on his post in Instagram where people were like, I can't believe you're platforming this Nazi and this fascist and da-da-da. And then equally on the right, people were like, I don't know why you're giving time to Gavin Newsom and why you're platforming him. And now people have to tune in and listen to him. But, again, I'm all for people talking to each other. I think America does better.

[01:18:17] Even if it's for selfish reasons for Gavin Newsom, this podcast had good points back and forth of like tug it a little bit back and forth. And we don't do that enough in our country. That's for sure. And that's really one of the reasons why we are so polarized is because people just don't talk. So I know he's doing this because he wants to moderate for the presidency. It'll be interesting to see. He has – I did see – I think the leak was it's Tim Walsh is coming on next.

[01:18:47] I might have to skip that episode because I don't want to listen to Gavin Newsom give a tongue bath to Tim Walsh. We're supposed to be opposing voices, but okay. Yeah, I think he was like – it's people he agrees with, but also some people he disagrees with. I saw it on X. I don't know. That was the rumor was that it's Tim Walsh is coming on next.

[01:19:11] I think it was a smart move to do the podcast in the sense that he's obviously trying to get a jump on 2028. But he is still the governor. He does still have a job here. And we know that this was done during business hours. Of course, was it a paid time off day? You know, who's paying for this podcast production? It's a nice production. It's a nice set. I hear that Charlie Kirk commands a very hefty six-figure speaking fee.

[01:19:39] And I don't know if he was paid to come on this podcast or not. I would imagine there were certain travel arrangements that were paid for. Again, who was that? Is that Gavin Newsom personally? Was it one of his presidential PACs? That's not really a presidential PAC yet, but we know it is. Was it California state dollars? Those are certainly legit concerns. We know he's doing the podcast for presidential reasons.

[01:20:04] And we know that Trump's podcast tour certainly was a huge help in his run and helping with getting him elected. You know, going on Joe Rogan and other such podcasts was a big deal. I like that this podcast will highlight different issues and maybe issues that even us on the right need to hear about and consider.

[01:20:26] But it could also fall on like, you know, it could end up being a negative for Newsom as the right exposes some of his major weaknesses and failures within California. His failed promises is just, you know, failures. If they're consistently called out, then people are going to, you know, they're really going to start to see that or start to look at it like they're going to hear it over and over again.

[01:20:51] And then they hopefully will look at it for themselves or start to believe it because it's like he did fail us on so many issues that I don't need to rehash right now. I have a few other thoughts if we have time. We really don't have time, but just a few other thoughts that we didn't go over in the episode that I can go through real quick. They talked about the book bans. Obviously, Gavin Newsom was like, why are we banning so many books? Charlie Kirk is like, well, don't we all agree that porn should not be in kids' schools?

[01:21:20] And Newsom wants to then deflect to, well, the Bible. Shouldn't we then, like, let's talk about the Bible and, like, you know, some of the stories in there, some of the verses in there may not be necessarily very appropriate for kids. And he's kind of trying to point out that maybe parts of it could be soft porn, if you will. There's no pictures. But Gavin claims that he's a devout Catholic. He recently claimed he was a devout Catholic.

[01:21:49] And I thought it was so weird that a devout Catholic would give so much pushback on the Bible. It's not like Kirk brought up the Bible. It was Gavin who did. And he really wanted to be like, well, let's talk about how the Bible's not, you know, shouldn't be in schools because this could be considered porn and whatever. Okay. At some point, Kirk asked him about running for president. And he kept deflecting on that question. Of course, he wouldn't answer it.

[01:22:16] And then just kept joking with Charlie Kirk about what Charlie Kirk should run for. Then I brought up the weaponizing thing and let's, the California is not San Francisco. That was, and then the homelessness when he's, he talked about, well, let's talk about the homelessness in the red states. But no, we're not talking about the homelessness in the red states. We're talking about the failures of California and how you proved that you can clean up San Francisco if you want to. So why not do it all the time?

[01:22:44] Anyway, those were most of my notes and everything else we kind of discussed. So bringing it back to the topic we were talking about before with the Redditors and the California state workers, you'd be surprised how many people don't understand how podcasts work because someone posted call his podcast.

[01:23:03] It says, since the people at the governor's office are not writing down our complaints and hanging up on people, let's start calling into Newsom's podcast, leaving negative views, negative reviews for his podcast. And most of the comments are, how do you call into a podcast? And then you can call into a podcast. I didn't know you could call into a podcast. It wasn't even live. It's not live.

[01:23:31] It's not how they recorded that on a Tuesday and it was released on a Wednesday, right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we know it was a work day because his son was at school. So therefore it was. Right. That's why I questioned the, these are operating hours where he should be cleaning up San Francisco. He's entitled to time off. I don't expect Newsom to work 365 days a year, 24 seven.

[01:23:57] But, you know, how much time is he taking off to produce this podcast? Yeah. There was another point I want to make. And now I've completely forgot outside of the, you can't call into a podcast. Well, we'll see. Well, there may be some I'm going to skip. I'll tune into the ones that do feature people on the other side of the aisle because it will be interesting. And maybe, oh, this is the point I want to make.

[01:24:23] Maybe for him tactically, again, we, I will give credit where credit's due. Newsom is a smart and slick politician. Maybe part of his goal of having these people on is to continue to steel man, his arguments in favor of California and the job he's done. And possibly see who might be a good running mate for vice president for 2028. Oh, good. And that might be a good idea.

[01:24:50] Maybe he's interviewing to see what he always does something with an ulterior motive that Gavin Newsom. So doesn't do it just because he wants to sit down and chat with Charlie Kirk. He wants to do it because he wants to. He has an ultimate goal. All right. Any other final thoughts on Gavin Newsom or the state workers crying about going back to work? Oh, I'm sure have lots of thoughts. But wow, that was that was a long episode. That was usually when we get into videos, it gets a little bit longer. So all right.

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