Ep. 275: 2024 Proposition Roundup (3, 33, 5)

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[00:00:27] What's going on everybody? Thanks for tuning into another episode of the California Underground Podcast, I'm your host Phil.

[00:00:32] And as always with me, it's my trusty co-host, the fastest researcher in the West Camille, how are you doing?

[00:00:37] Good. Thank you, Haru. I'm good. We had that week off last week, which actually kind of worked out in our favor because of the debate, which, you know, not that I don't think there's people who love watching us, but I think Trump and Kamal is debate probably would have overshined us going live at 6 o'clock.

[00:00:57] I don't think anyone was really interested. Maybe I think in my, yeah, when I was like, oh, it lines up perfectly at 6 o'clock at Tuesday. Oh, then it just worked out for the better.

[00:01:09] Yeah, I was busy with work last week, work we went to trial last week, so unlike other attorney influencers after on social media, I actually do go to trial and I have a day job and then office and all that stuff.

[00:01:22] So you just like file cases and dismissed them, like, oh no, no, no, yeah, we actually try and see cases through to the end, like clients want us to.

[00:01:31] It's interesting concept. Yeah, and trial is a lot of work, which I can see why some attorneys probably don't want to do that, but I'm in the middle of one right now. So anyway, worked out actually better for I think the podcast, but we're back this week talking about propositions because it's getting down to the wire.

[00:01:50] It's almost, well, we're almost what average of temporary. Oh, we're like mid September already. We're doing our best. I'm going to be less than three weeks.

[00:02:01] Yeah, that's even crazier is that the early voting is going to start soon, which is why we're trying to get a lot of this proposition stuff out there so that you guys can at least be made aware of what's going out with these propositions.

[00:02:14] There's 10, I think in total. So not too bad this year. There's some years where it gets a little out of control and there's a lot, but we're going to do three today.

[00:02:24] We're also going to be talking about a new story that came out regarding Gavin Newsom and well-watching down in Baja and how he was shocker, not completely forthcoming on who paid for the trip.

[00:02:37] So we'll get into that story also before we get started. We have been doing this thing every week where we are doing the cringy moment of the week and we have one for you again, God bless.

[00:02:53] I can't wait to do this so on.

[00:02:54] Yeah, it's completely a shock to you, which is the best way to get a genuine reaction. So this was from Kamala this past week in Pennsylvania, which at this point, Pennsylvania is going

[00:03:05] to be a very special reaction. And it's basically who Pennsylvania picks I feel like is going to win the election so

[00:03:10] Don't forget to put it on the phone.

[00:03:11] Don't forget to put it on the phone, please don't forget the sound effect.

[00:03:13] Oh, I'm sorry. I gotta remember this sound effect. So important to sting us coming in. So yep.

[00:03:21] So this week was Kamala was in Pennsylvania talking to voters because those are the only voters that matter in this election right now.

[00:03:30] And here's her answer of what she is why Pennsylvania should vote for her. So I am feeling very good about Pennsylvania because there are a lot of people in Pennsylvania who deserve to be seen and heard that's why I'm here in John's town.

[00:03:52] And I will be continuing to travel around the state.

[00:03:56] So the people of Pennsylvania should vote for Kamala Harris because there are a lot of people in Pennsylvania.

[00:04:05] Oh, so if that's the compelling argument as to why people in Pennsylvania should vote for Kamala Harris, I don't know what is because that's where we're in Pennsylvania.

[00:04:16] So what do you want to do? One of those lots of people.

[00:04:18] I once would love to live in a state that actually is a swing state where you feel like your vote is like, you know, consequential to the presidential election here in California.

[00:04:27] It's already predetermined. So you can just vote for whoever the heck you want.

[00:04:32] How I mean just vote for RFK at this point if you want to do a protest vote.

[00:04:37] But yeah, I don't know. Get out there's I mean we're talking about the props. These props are on the ballot.

[00:04:41] Yes, we'll vote for elections. So don't not vote.

[00:04:45] Yes, don't not show up to vote. And it's what we always say, yeah, presidential stuff doesn't really, I mean, effects us in the long term.

[00:04:51] Our vote doesn't really matter in California, electorally, but that doesn't mean don't show up for local. There's a lot of local stuff going on legislators.

[00:04:59] That's why we're doing this proposition roundup today is the goal.

[00:05:03] I'm sorry. I keep an earring. I forget the episode number. But a few episodes back.

[00:05:07] We did discuss what was it, prop 32, prop 36 and prop 2.

[00:05:14] Yes. So I might have said the wrong numbers.

[00:05:18] But a few episodes ago we did discuss the re of them. So if you're, if you're curious about all the props, please go back and watch find that episode that I have no idea what it was.

[00:05:28] It was, it was somewhat recently.

[00:05:29] It was like two or three weeks ago, wasn't that far, you know?

[00:05:32] Yeah, just go look for prop roundup in the past couple weeks and check it out.

[00:05:38] So before we get started, I want to, you know, last week was the debate as we mentioned why we, one reason why we weren't podcasting last week.

[00:05:48] Guess we'll take a couple of minutes to kind of give our thoughts on the debate, not that bunch of people already haven't given our thoughts, but hey, I want to give my thoughts anyway.

[00:05:59] Did you have any thoughts on the debate, regardless of like what happened any initial thoughts?

[00:06:06] Did it most forgettable debate I have ever seen.

[00:06:11] Okay, most of that.

[00:06:12] I think probably it's the only reason it's memorable right now based on social media is because of the cats and dogs line, which has been turned into an absolute meat on TikTok right now.

[00:06:23] We got to put it up so how we got the cats and dogs, you know.

[00:06:27] Cats and dogs we got coconut falling out coconut trees.

[00:06:31] Lots of great lines this presidential election. So I think here's my take is that if you're a Trump supporter, the good news is I don't think it moved the needle that much.

[00:06:45] If you're a Trump supporter, the bad news is I don't think it moved the needle that much because, you know,

[00:06:53] there was definitely opportunities for Trump to do a lot better.

[00:06:58] And I mean, we're not going to sit here and pretend like Trump is Ted Cruz when it comes to debates he's not like a skilled debate or he's not a finesse debate or he's sort of a, you know, Hammond Agar in the sense of like he just comes out guns of blazing.

[00:07:13] He has him great one liners he has some great singers.

[00:07:15] The sending you a maga hat was probably one of my favorite. The whole I'm speaking was great that he used her line against her, but there were a lot of opportunities where Trump could have gone into policy more like it's not that arch like Kamala has no policies.

[00:07:34] So you could have easily pummeled her with your policies and then the independent voters like well this guy has a plan this lady is talking in platitudes about how she grew up in middle class kid.

[00:07:44] And that's like now her sticking point or talking point.

[00:07:48] And he could have just done a lot better in my opinion like and it didn't, what didn't have taken him to be like a policy wonk.

[00:07:57] He didn't have to be a policy wonk where he's like I'm going to explain this and explain the numbers and blah blah blah.

[00:08:01] He could have just said well if you know I'm going to get in I want to extend the Trump tax cuts which being great for business, which is being great for hiring and all that stuff and I want to extend it even more.

[00:08:12] Like he could have done more policy debate.

[00:08:16] I think he missed a lot of big opportunities with Kamala, I think he missed he he got sidetracked with the whole like rally size kind of argument which you know for some reason that's like one way to get Trump off his mark is to talk about his rally size.

[00:08:35] Yeah, I just feel like he really didn't have like he didn't knock it out of the park.

[00:08:41] I know people probably give me some flack and yeah, I get it.

[00:08:44] There's people who will be like well he was debating three against one.

[00:08:47] Yeah, you know like he's debating three against one like that's if your Trump at this point you've ran this is your third time running for president how many presidential debates I mean he's probably going to set the record for presidential debates at this point.

[00:08:59] How many of you been through that you don't expect that the ABC moderators are going to somehow be biased against you and like be prepared for that.

[00:09:09] So those are my thoughts is that he had plenty of opportunities he could have moved the needle.

[00:09:14] I don't think Kamala moved the needle as much either she was her bar was much lower like she just basically had to show up and sound competent.

[00:09:25] And for the most part she sounded more competent than she does on the campaign trail like that video we just played.

[00:09:32] So for the media that's like a complete win is that she sounded like she rehersed her talking points and remembered what she had to say.

[00:09:40] But she had no policy she had no policy she had nothing to say I mean you only policy I remember bringing up was this six thousand dollar tax credit which.

[00:09:49] I don't know if that like is a huge difference maker and why how she's going to fix the economy so.

[00:09:54] Any thoughts on that.

[00:09:56] Yeah, I I felt like if you if you had to pick a winner I don't think Trump won the debate and guess we can argue it was three on one but like you said.

[00:10:08] He knows this is going to happen so he should have been better repaired and he did let Harris get under skin like it was like he came out strong the first few minutes and then all of a sudden she starts throwing whatever at him and if bothered him and it showed.

[00:10:24] Which is why I kind of checked out like you know I think we were we were on a group text texting about it and then I literally started looking at home school curriculum that I don't even need like I had the debate on in the background I was like for Aussie the homes go curriculum because I was like this is.

[00:10:41] This is boring and it's probably not going to change my vote and then of course it didn't change my vote but but yeah I mean I know some some people were like oh she sounded so good but it was like but she doesn't have policy I don't care how she sounded yes she sounded competent but she there's no policy here and and then what she did throw out.

[00:11:01] It's like well who's paying for this whose that sounds lovely but someone's got to pay for it and that someone is taxpayers and we're broke.

[00:11:12] We're all like personally broken the state is broken the country's broke.

[00:11:17] We're just broke all around and then I'm just thinking I don't have ground drum to get but Sunday I'm going to be a grandma and I'm like they get my great kids are going to have to fund this like this is.

[00:11:27] And more this is getting so ridiculous you have to hand.

[00:11:31] Yeah she mentioned like the $25,000 down payment which we I think we've mentioned before.

[00:11:37] Yeah great $25,000 down payment from the federal government what's I can do the housing market if it's not already in a bubble already.

[00:11:45] If I have thousand dollars exactly it's if we're not already in a bubble already when it comes to sale prices it's like you know doing that is not going to help either.

[00:11:54] The you missed the opportunity.

[00:11:57] I understand that there's like states that are far more affordable than California but for the most part is that really going to help the majority of people.

[00:12:04] You know I don't I mean in some states maybe it is that 20 but that's not even 20% like houses aren't going for a hundred thousand dollars anymore so that's not even 20% of a down payment.

[00:12:17] Maybe I doubt it's even 10% for a lot of houses like what kind of house are you going to get for 25,000 dollars.

[00:12:23] My sister literally lives in the middle of nowhere Oklahoma like nobody's heard of where she lives she military wife.

[00:12:34] Her house that that was not a 20% down by any means.

[00:12:40] And and we're talking like I'm not insulting my sister but we're talking like middle of nowhere fly over state like we're nobody wants to live that still wasn't that wouldn't account for 20% down her home.

[00:12:53] When you know we're in here.

[00:12:55] I guess this is a good way to tie it back to California politics is just a couple weeks ago we're having a whole episode about first time home buyer assistance and that was something that California rolled out.

[00:13:06] Was we'll pay for you know a hundred up to $150,000 or first down payment and now you see that policy making its way up to the national level and being rolled out on the national level so.

[00:13:21] It makes sense being a San Francisco liberal like Kamala Harris is that you you are seeing California policies bubble their way up to national.

[00:13:31] Which is why we say you got to start stop we got to start working to stop stuff here you know and that starts with local elections that starts with fixing what's going on Sacramento destroying the super majority.

[00:13:43] Because these policies that get tested out here in California to them it's like okay well California is a democrat utopia we have a super majority we get to do whatever we want we get to try out all these cookie brain ideas.

[00:13:55] And if people like them great we get to roll them out on the national level so where the we're the testing lab for these far left ideas.

[00:14:03] And this is a perfectly example of it you know first time down the government will help pay for a down payment on your house there you go.

[00:14:23] You know what it can use it right now like you know maybe to year or two it'll there'll be a you know budget for it and so it does feel like well thought exactly was going to happen with this 25,000 how many people can actually take advantage of it before they run out of money and then they're like.

[00:14:41] It's it's this policy takes place I mean like then you know they run out of money and they're like sorry we are not accepting any new.

[00:14:51] You know.

[00:14:52] It's just I don't know it just like because eventually you run out of other people's money which we had and that's the difference between the state kind of state budgets and the federal budget the federal can.

[00:15:05] And then it's been our selves into oblivion in terms of debt.

[00:15:10] California can't do that states cannot have huge running debts they have to balance their budget every year.

[00:15:16] So California sure the reason it's not working right now is because there's no money for it no one remembered to fund it.

[00:15:24] But on the federal level like.

[00:15:27] The federal just print more money they'll just go into debt farther and farther like there's there's a bottomless pit of money to give away to people to buy their votes.

[00:15:34] And then they should will just keep skyrocketing it will just get better and better and you'll be spending 20 dollars for a half a gallon of milk it'll be great.

[00:15:42] We saw my eight for like 30 bucks it doesn't you'll be.

[00:15:49] But that's all another episode talking about inflation and how that's going to screw everything up but yeah just a yeah that point about how California policies they bubble up into national politics so keep an eye on.

[00:16:02] And that's just a perfect example of it so to some at all up Trump missed opportunities he could have called common I'll on a lot more stuff.

[00:16:11] I don't think you really move the needle poles are still super tight so.

[00:16:15] Nate silver released his projection still says Trump has a 60% chance of winning electronically.

[00:16:22] Take from that what you will but anyway on to California stuff.

[00:16:30] California stuff if you don't remember there's still other stuff going on this election rather than just present.

[00:16:36] So we have three props we're going to go over tonight we're going to go over prop 3 prop 33 and prop 5.

[00:16:43] First one that we'll go over which is not really super consequential unless you're sort of a social conservative warrior I could see why you might oppose this.

[00:16:53] This is the right to reaffirm or to reaffirm the right of same sex couples to marry.

[00:17:00] What would proposition 3 do it would enshrine the right to same sex marriage into the California constitution repealing prop 8 measure approved by voters in 2008 that defined marriage is between a man and a woman in practice about measure would not change who can marry.

[00:17:16] It's crazy I think that not that long ago in 2008 California actually voted and approved a proposition that enshrined marriage to be between a man and a woman.

[00:17:27] That is that is crazy because.

[00:17:31] Sixteen 16 years ago.

[00:17:34] Yeah, not that it's not that far so.

[00:17:38] Califinal elections consequences elections of consequences and prop 8 yeah I think yeah I was graduating from college up at your p at that time so I remember I could invoke California elections so I could only follow it tangentially.

[00:17:54] Anyway, why is it on the ballot?

[00:17:58] It is introduced because while prop 8 is still on the books is effectively void after the US Supreme Court in 2013 allowed same sex marriage to resume in California in the high court legalized same sex marriage nationwide and historic 2015 decision in 2020 Nevada became the first date to enshrine the right to same sex marriage in their constitution.

[00:18:18] No shocker.

[00:18:20] California state senator Scott Weener and assembly member Evan low both Democrats and the legislative LGBTQ caucus introduced the constitutional amendment as a preemptive protection after the US Supreme Court overturned the federal abortion protections in 2022 those who are in support of it equality California.

[00:18:39] American civil liberties union playing parenthood democratic party Gavin Newsom California labor Federation Lauren he can tell us League of Women voters and the opponents are California family council and the American council of evangelical evangelicals.

[00:18:55] I think that is a very important issue of money wise this is why I say it's not super consequential 3.9 million dollars have been raised to support this not really that much money and money raised against it zero.

[00:19:10] So well it's not going to raise taxes.

[00:19:13] Well now it's not going to change anything because this already been law for how many years since 2013 so.

[00:19:21] I mean this makes sense to me.

[00:19:24] It's built because I understand that they now have a fear of like.

[00:19:28] If they don't ensure I'm in the California constitution that then.

[00:19:33] You know, there could because we're being told if Trump wins he's going to like banish all gaze to Mars and you know.

[00:19:43] Handmade stale all the women are just going to be forced to get birth and all the stuff and so no but I understand why they're doing this bill they want to make sure that California remains regardless of what happens federal and stuff they want to make sure that.

[00:19:56] This is a very important issue of how it remains legal in California and.

[00:20:01] If my family ever sees this episode they're going to scream at me but I'm fine with this.

[00:20:10] I.

[00:20:10] I am a Christian I do believe that the Bible says marriages between a man and a woman.

[00:20:17] And on that note if.

[00:20:20] People want to get married and have like you know marriage is supposed to be a commitment to a man and woman and God and.

[00:20:27] And yet we've somehow turned it over took our rent which I don't believe should have ever happened.

[00:20:32] And since we did that it's kind.

[00:20:36] Legal fear game for anyone in my opinion not not anyone because I understand there's a slippery slope here but if I go out to eat.

[00:20:44] And there's a gay couple see this like see that the table next to me and they're married.

[00:20:50] Not married this has no consequences on my life whatsoever this changes nothing for anyone if we say you can't get married they're not going to be suddenly not be gay they're not going to cease to exist.

[00:21:01] They are humans if they want to have a legal marriage certificate.

[00:21:06] Fine fine what I don't want to see happen is that Christian pastors priests that are forced to.

[00:21:13] Perform their marriage ceremonies I think that like they should have a right to get married but.

[00:21:20] People should have a right to say no I don't condone this and therefore I'm not going to be a part of this yeah fair enough I mean it's already been.

[00:21:28] Law and legal for over 10 years at this point.

[00:21:32] Like it's sort of like the horse is already out of the barn at this point like we're not going backwards on this issue.

[00:21:39] And to your point of like yeah I.

[00:21:42] This is sort of the issue my thing about localization and why like communities and localization is so important is.

[00:21:50] You know you can be in America the great thing about America is you can be mostly whatever you want to be you can be a Christian you can be Jewish you can be muslim.

[00:21:59] You can be atheist you can be straight you can be gay and that's sort of like either we believe in freedom or we don't believe in freedom right.

[00:22:07] And I think that's that's either that's sort of what we have to.

[00:22:11] And I think that's kind of a very grapple with hearing California on the right or the left red team versus blue team you either approve of freedom or you don't like freedom and it can't be.

[00:22:20] I approve of freedom as long as it checks my social boxes and that's where I think people especially on the right here in California people get so tripped up and and it's probably why so many candidates kind of don't even get a foothold maybe more candidates on the right are starting to figure this out.

[00:22:41] Like it's not worth fighting a lot of these cultural issues here in California because freedom is freedom either we believe in freedom or we don't believe in freedom.

[00:22:50] So I think it doesn't change anything either we believe in freedom and laying people be who they want to be in liberty and stuff like that as long to your point again.

[00:23:00] As long as you don't infringe on my right to practice religion my religions right to not have to go against their religion anybody in my religion to be forced no one's bacon any cakes that forces them to go against their religion.

[00:23:14] It's sort of this mutual respect of I you know I respect if you want to get married as the same set of same sex couple.

[00:23:22] Please also respect that.

[00:23:25] I have my religion and I my own views and social views so don't force your social views on me and I want to force my social views on you.

[00:23:33] Right.

[00:23:34] Yeah, as a Christian if I'm going to believe the Bible and that God says that marriage is between a man and woman then I don't need to be concerned if God recognizes their marriage or not like that's between them and God whether not they believe in God just like.

[00:23:51] That's just that's not for me to like be like you're you're wrong you're a sinner like.

[00:23:57] Yeah, it's again that's their journey in their path and you're right we're all kind of flawed in that sense of like we have our own skeletons to deal with to sit around and judge other people.

[00:24:10] I don't I don't I'm not a big fan of judging other people based on their lifestyles and stuff like that so.

[00:24:16] Yeah, you're either for freedom or you're against freedom and that's just judge them on their social media posts.

[00:24:22] People yeah, I mean that we we like judging people based on their cringe is also being opposed.

[00:24:27] That's was being gay people that was.

[00:24:30] No just because gringy people on social media has nothing to do with gay marriages same second marriage or just talking about judging people on social media or cringy.

[00:24:38] Yeah, so.

[00:24:41] The consequential to me I mean look you can vote no on this you can abstain your vote what you can say yes whatever you want like.

[00:24:48] I don't it doesn't change anything doesn't really make a big financial impact to California like it's been this way for 10 years like this is happening just in shrines in the in the California constitution so.

[00:25:01] That's why I said really it's kind of inconsequential in terms of like it just kind of insurance in the in the constitution so.

[00:25:10] Yeah, it's basically any other thoughts on this one no.

[00:25:13] Okay simple enough all right next one we will talk about is okay which one are we going to talk about next that we have.

[00:25:22] Okay, so the next one I think is actually more consequential way more consequential than prop prop three actually the next two are actually pretty consequential so.

[00:25:34] You know please pay attention to these next to and keep in mind almost as consequential as like prop 36 so prop 33 allows local governments to impose rent controls.

[00:25:45] What would it do if prop 33 passes it would allow for cities to set rent control on single family homes or apartments built after 1995.

[00:25:57] And landlords are free to set their own rental rates when new tenants move in.

[00:26:02] So there was this I guess something called cost a Hawkins rental control act a long time ago for 30 years.

[00:26:10] Which is limited the ability for rent control right now it's on the ballot because nearly 30% of California renters spend more than half their income on rent higher than any other state except Florida and Louisiana according to public policy institute California supporters of prop 33 say that doesn't go far enough.

[00:26:31] They hope the hope is finally this year is to up in the decades old rules controlling rent control.

[00:26:38] But landlord groups opposing the idea tend to have deep pockets and have been willing to spend a small fortune to convince voters that rent control is not the answer to the state's housing crisis.

[00:26:48] If you've been watching any local TV you've probably seen this commercial or this ad every single commercial break as I've noticed it's someone talking out against prop 33 and this is what he's talking about and talks about affordable housing prop 33 is talking about rent control.

[00:27:08] And this idea of well cities will be able to set how much you can increase your rent.

[00:27:16] It's not going as far as setting strict caps I guess you could say like you can't charge more than x but it does set sort of incremental basics of how much it can go up so it does kind of.

[00:27:36] The argument is.

[00:27:39] If you allow rent control obviously landlords and developers are not going to want to invest money in California anymore.

[00:27:47] That's the plainest and bel argument of it if you say well, you can build this apartment complex.

[00:27:54] And you can create all this new housing and apartments which is the only thing that California is building right now in terms of housing.

[00:28:00] If you're told projection wise you can only make a certain amount of money over the next 10 years.

[00:28:08] You as an investor are probably going to go and I'll pass and then they just don't build it so you now effectively shot yourself in the foot.

[00:28:18] Whereas there's there's not more supply there's still demand but now there's less supply.

[00:28:23] It's only applied to a part of the building is not not single family resident rentals.

[00:28:29] Let's see this is a can rate the policy and she.

[00:28:32] I'm sorry I should have.

[00:28:35] Single family homes or apartments.

[00:28:38] So it's it's on both.

[00:28:41] Opponent say if cities adopt strict rent control or it says it will make California's already dire housing shortage even works they argue property values will drop and developers will be less likely to build new housing which internal drive a price is an existing rental units.

[00:28:55] Critics also point out the measure does not actually include protections for renters.

[00:29:01] Those who are arguing for arguments for prop 33 boil it all down to one basic point the rent is too damn high.

[00:29:09] Teachers police officers and firefighters starting their careers are paying half of their salary to live in many California cities while others on fence fixed incomes or one step away from homelessness.

[00:29:19] So those who are against it have raised 53.9 million dollars those who are for a raise 31.2 million dollars so you know they've been out raised by the against but still a good amount of money is going into prop 33.

[00:29:36] Who's who's the money behind this one?

[00:29:39] I think I have a but.

[00:29:40] What's your name?

[00:29:43] AIDS healthcare foundation donated 30.5 million dollars.

[00:29:48] Okay so they do it in a good shock at that you said it was.

[00:29:51] What was the number that was they raised?

[00:29:54] 31 31.2 million dollars.

[00:29:57] How total raised in favor.

[00:30:00] Oh in favor.

[00:30:02] So out of the 31.2 AIDS healthcare gave 30.5.

[00:30:07] Okay so.

[00:30:09] And everyone else is like a couple thousand dollars like heaven daily own transfer to 600 thousand dollars and then it drops off precipitously.

[00:30:17] Democrats socialist of America chipped in five thousand dollars.

[00:30:21] So I don't know where they got the money from.

[00:30:25] That's interesting.

[00:30:27] So who's donated the most against this?

[00:30:32] California apartment association has donated 21.5 million dollars and then the California association of realtors has donated 19 million dollars.

[00:30:43] So a lot of realtors are against this.

[00:30:47] So I'm trying to say that those commission.

[00:30:50] Yeah they don't they don't want you know they don't want to cap on the rental prices so obviously and then obviously if there's demand goes down like it's harder to rent out this stuff.

[00:31:01] So if you don't want to get a lot of money from the state market even worse then realtors aren't going to have a good time.

[00:31:04] As we were I said AIDS healthcare foundation is a supporter, democratic party, california, democratic party,

[00:31:10] california, and housing is a human right tenants together consumer watch dog,

[00:31:16] unite here local 11 opponents.

[00:31:18] It's just a human right.

[00:31:20] I don't like I don't want people homeless but is it a human right?

[00:31:24] I mean if you boil it down to I think human rights do not include stuff that requires the labor of someone else.

[00:31:33] I think that's a good principle to live by.

[00:31:35] I don't think anything's a human right that that requires the labor of someone else because once you say something's a human right.

[00:31:41] We're without payment or just engine right right yeah it's kind of like healthcare is a human right that kind of whole argument and it's like yeah but.

[00:31:51] If it's a human right that's not a whole thing.

[00:31:54] No it's I mean it's it's a good question to ask because this is sort of at the heart of what's going on in California with our housing is this is one way to tackle it is the government to say.

[00:32:05] You know, oh we're going to step in and impose rent controls that will help.

[00:32:09] But yeah I don't believe human right a human right to me is something that you are naturally born with in the sense of like this is part of just being a part of nature.

[00:32:19] And I don't want to get down this rabbit hole of like original natural rights and all that stuff.

[00:32:24] Toity books we don't have time for this.

[00:32:27] I mean natural right is like to live you know unburdened by the government and raise a family like for people having all that stuff is like.

[00:32:36] You know the right to protect yourself like those are all things the right to protect your property those are things I think are human rights that have been around since like we've been on this planet.

[00:32:47] So you have you have a right to housing but you don't have a right to demand that someone give you.

[00:32:53] Yes, yeah and that's where I think I draw the line is like human rights are not stuff that somebody else in labor could include not just labor of people who have to do it it's the forced pain of people to pay for that labor.

[00:33:08] So when the government says well how is human right so you have to help we're going to increase your taxes so everyone can have a house and it's like.

[00:33:16] Excuse me so I labor for the money that I'm making that you then tax and then turn around and give it to people because you say it's a human right like that's I don't think that's how it worked.

[00:33:27] In that's regard we all have the human right to just not work anymore we're all just quit and then see what happens.

[00:33:34] Right, you know that's what usually happens in communist societies is that sooner or later people just don't see any value and working anymore.

[00:33:42] Man we've been very libertarian on this episode today between prop 3 and this one we've been very very libertarian so.

[00:33:50] Not I'm sure we'll get complaints for someone about how libertarian we've been on this this episode or the libertarians will say that we're not libertarian enough whatever.

[00:33:59] Well, yeah, that's true as libertarians if you're out there you know there's never a you're never libertarian enough.

[00:34:07] There are people who say like Dave Smith isn't libertarian enough so that's how well yeah, but now we're going to be told our public enough for conservative now we're Paul and now we're not going to oh my gosh you didn't you didn't be a pose prop.

[00:34:19] I'm a bit of enough.

[00:34:21] This has become a very controversial episode.

[00:34:24] Yeah, I thought there was you know we're just going to talk about a couple of props and now all of a sudden we're we're going to get canceled by people farther on the right.

[00:34:32] Anyway, opponents of prop 33 include California small business association California rental housing association California senior alliance council of carpenters California in B.

[00:34:44] So in B is opposed to this those are the yes in my backyard one thing I've always noticed side note about in these.

[00:34:51] In B's are always yes in my backyard, but it ends up not being there in their backyard have you ever noticed that they're always like yeah we should build more of this stuff I'm a yinby and it's like.

[00:35:03] But not this neighborhood I think we should buy we should build more high density apartment complexes but just not like on my street like anywhere everywhere else.

[00:35:13] Senator Tony Akins.

[00:35:15] Senator down here in San Diego who's running for governor she's actually opposed to it this I thought was pretty surprising I would never think I'd see these two on the same side assembly member Buffy Wicks from the Bay Area Oakland specifically.

[00:35:29] Who very very far left and how are Jarvis taxpayers associated.

[00:35:33] Are both.

[00:35:34] This is such.

[00:35:39] Potics does get interesting but this one has been very interesting because going back to prop 36 we saw that you know it was very like oh that's right wing.

[00:35:48] Extreme and all of a sudden all these Democrats are now promoting 36 because it does affect them and they're they're coming to this realization something needs to be done and so this is very interesting to see now like 36 has become pretty much nonpartisan and now this is three we're talking about.

[00:36:09] 33 yep 33 okay and now 33 seems to have people from opposite sides or groups from opposite sides coming together this is very interesting.

[00:36:19] Yeah I think maybe it's a sign from some Democrats that maybe they've gone off the rails a little bit too much.

[00:36:29] And they have to kind of moderate back towards the middle a little bit already has got a little bit out of control.

[00:36:35] I think you know what I'm saying absolutely power.

[00:36:40] Absolutely power corrupt absolutely so maybe they figure we've been right in this gravy train too long and we're getting a little out over our skis and a whole saying.

[00:36:52] But maybe the I mean to see assembly member Buffy Wicks or again is a far left Oakland.

[00:36:59] And she's proposed like single bear healthcare. She's proposed them like really far left ideas for her to be on the same size of our Jarvis tax period association in opposing rent controls that's that's just telling of how it is I think this is the third time they've tried to impose rent controls in California.

[00:37:18] I haven't seen the pulling on it, but I imagine.

[00:37:23] I don't know if my guess today if I were a betting man I would say probably doesn't pass I think the idea of rent control probably scares a lot of people because they see rent control and they might think of a government that's gone a little too far a little too crazy.

[00:37:36] So what do you thought you think it passes or do you think it it.

[00:37:39] I don't know well we guess today's we see her in like common sense says this this should or shouldn't pass and then we see what happens at the polls and we're like common sense did not win.

[00:37:54] Yeah, I mean to your point though about people not wanting to invest here there's been several things that have been happening over the last few years like most mostly local.

[00:38:01] And my I've wanted to talk about my sisters I have three sisters so it's not all the same sisters, but I have a sister that lives here.

[00:38:10] And her and her husband own a few investment rental properties that they will not buy investment rental properties in California because of all the government control that keeps happening with them so all their rental properties are out of state.

[00:38:24] And that's a bar for California to not have like people wanting to invest in California.

[00:38:32] Yeah, it's um this was a thought I was having the other day asking about the podcast I was like at what point someone's got to make an argument.

[00:38:45] Someone who is a better you know better orator in California who can make the argument that we kind of got stuck in this cycle of.

[00:38:54] Every election we're voting for someone because we want the government to fix something and that's true unlike the right and the left like both both sides kind of elect someone because they're like oh if this person gets in the power.

[00:39:09] Then they'll use the government to fix this problem.

[00:39:15] I think the conversation has to be like how do we just stop the government from doing things altogether because it's it's like we've we've trusted the government so much.

[00:39:28] At this point it's like it's you know I don't have any teenage children, but I can imagine if like you have a teenage kid and you give them a line.

[00:39:37] Or 14 it.

[00:39:39] Then tell me if this is correct or not, you know if you you give them allowance they overspend it they keep asking more and they keep overspend it and making bad decisions as a parent sooner or later you're going to go wait no no no I'm not giving you any more money like giving you more money is not going to help the problem you've got to figure out how to like get your life under control.

[00:39:59] And that's where I think we're at with government and maybe that's a lot of frustration right now a voters is like the government just seems like way out of control and like I don't I think if you're a politician.

[00:40:11] And especially here in California it might be worth campaigning on my goal is to get the government to stop doing a lot of things because the government's not good at doing a lot of things.

[00:40:26] Right I want to see them undoing.

[00:40:31] But you know so what like just there's too many there's too many laws about our little thing and it's time to just start.

[00:40:40] So stop passing more bills and start undoing things that have been done and and I mean we've taught you and I have talked about this a lot over the years but it's funny every so often I'll have an epiphany and like actually after the debate a week ago was a week ago right.

[00:40:57] It seems it actually seems like it was longer I saw tweet and.

[00:41:02] I'll talk to you about later because I don't want to take up too much time talking about it but it was a moment for me of.

[00:41:09] There's there's too much policy and and I think I had a realization that maybe I'm personally I'm a very conservative person but I don't want.

[00:41:20] The government even controlling conservative like things like going back to the game a huge thing it's like oh let them be that them be but physically I'm like.

[00:41:32] Okay, I don't I just I'm conservative in the sense of like stop spending all the money.

[00:41:38] And that's just like control not spending money that's that's all I want the government to do I want the government to be like we're not going to spend money on that and then socially I'm kind of like everyone needs to figure it out by themselves anything this word like local community matters.

[00:41:54] I kind of hate the saying it takes a village because I don't know I just personally like was very much like an independent mom in the sense of like I didn't have a village and it wasn't dependent on a village when it comes to when it came to being like a young mom young kids and even homeschooling I was very much alone in that this isn't a what was me thing.

[00:42:18] But then when Hillary Clinton started talking about it takes a village and people were like I've seen the village and I want nothing to do with that but local community.

[00:42:27] Does come together when you have like a small local community and you see it on like Facebook groups and stuff.

[00:42:32] You know you're local like someone needs help and everyone pitches it and makes happen and I just think.

[00:42:37] But we could be more like that word dependent on each other we're helping each other we're finding a solution.

[00:42:42] We don't need to run to this is a problem and everyone's like whoa let's contact our local representatives and see what we can do like we stopped doing that.

[00:42:50] We work among ourselves and fear itself.

[00:42:54] Yeah, I just I want every I want more political debates and discussions to start not in a framed argument of how can the government solve this but more let's because that seems to be step one.

[00:43:08] How can politicians solve this no no no I don't I don't want politicians to necessarily solve a lot of this stuff I want them to stop pretending they know how to solve all this stuff.

[00:43:17] I think we should start from the the frame or maybe just bust the frame and start with a new frame of like well.

[00:43:24] What happens if we get the government out of this like you know I think we should start from that frame of what if we take government out of this thing will it get better.

[00:43:35] And not to really go down this this long rabbit hole but I mean it's a good philosophical discussion about rent control and government over reach in California.

[00:43:43] We had a dinner last week for a local like lawyer get together and it was in Bobbo Park and if you're from San Diego you know Bobbo Park you love it.

[00:43:55] I want to walk around the bubble park.

[00:43:57] It's you know it's a shining you know park jewel of California it's just beautiful if you're never in San Diego definitely check out Bobbo Park.

[00:44:06] But walking through it like when we were done with the dinner it was still you know dirty and full of homeless people like it just looks like it's not as clean as it used to be years ago.

[00:44:17] And the city manages it the city manages Bobbo Park if you don't know where Bobbo Park really came from Bobbo Park was mostly wealthy benefactors who kind of donated and started to like help build a lot of these buildings.

[00:44:31] And that's where a lot of like America's shining jewels come from like Carnegie Hall came from you know Carnegie Rockefeller Center came for Rockefeller like a lot of wealthy benefactors who stepped up and said we're going to beautify our city.

[00:44:46] And it's kind of like well if you take government out of this and like prosperous people do what they want to do you get things like Bobbo Park you get things like Rockefeller Center you get things like Carnegie Hall.

[00:44:58] You get stuff like unions like you get these beautifications of cities and these things that make it look good but then somehow along the way.

[00:45:07] We've got we've gotten tricked into believing like you have the government to thank for this beautiful thing and it's like.

[00:45:15] Okay, but you're not making it any better you're actually making it worse like it's getting more dirty it's getting more over run with homeless people.

[00:45:22] It's getting dangerous like you know I was talking my wife on the way out. I was like this is you know it was dark out when we left I was like I don't feel safe walking through Bobbo Park she definitely wouldn't feel safe walking through Bobbo Park at night.

[00:45:37] So yeah that's my rant I think we should change the argument to I think things would be better if we just got the government out of X let's start there instead of let's get the government more involved.

[00:45:50] God we are so libertarian right now. We did not plan this we just became like straight like.

[00:45:56] I don't think we discussed this episode you just threw a notes.

[00:45:59] We were putting notes I didn't really just put notes of like what props we were talking about I didn't put like in bold letters and caps of like be as libertarian as possible just this stuff is just turned to a libertarian.

[00:46:10] I said I asked you what props are we discussing you said it's in the notes.

[00:46:16] That was it.

[00:46:18] Yeah I mean like I said I was busy last week so I was like I threw the notes in and I was like yeah they're in the notes and can be like okay but that was it there were no other we did not plan our.

[00:46:30] Combined libertarian takes I was like dead tire just to do not feel well and I went to bed at seven o'clock.

[00:46:39] So so I was like supposed to research for this episode of literally went to bed at like seven o'clock last night and so I only spent limited time like making sure I like read a new word discussing you know and like do I have opinions.

[00:46:54] I was kind of like well feel break this down and all the opinions from there.

[00:47:00] Here we are we've now gone down a minarchist libertarian rabbit.

[00:47:07] That's our plan for saving California turning it into a libertarian minarchist state.

[00:47:12] I love it.

[00:47:14] All right move it on to prop five which also has big consequences which I think people should pay attention to.

[00:47:22] Prop five would make it easier for local governments to fund affordable housing infrastructure projects.

[00:47:28] So what would it do California makes it difficult for local governments to borrow money not only do most city and county bonds require voter approval they need the support of at least two thirds of those voting to pass.

[00:47:40] Prop five would amend the California Constitution by lowering the required threshold to 55% for any borrowing to fund affordable housing construction.

[00:47:49] Down payment assistance programs remember those and a host of public infrastructure they put in quotes public infrastructure projects including those for water management local hospitals and police stations broadband networks parks if it passes the new cutoff would apply not to not just a future bonds.

[00:48:08] But any that are on the ballot this November.

[00:48:13] So what was the episode.

[00:48:16] That's it I can't remember no but we didn't episode about those local very very local.

[00:48:23] Got rent things what was that even called I'm totally blanking on it.

[00:48:28] Oh, there's an article that I that's in the opposition to this and I know what you're talking about we literally just had a whole episode on it.

[00:48:36] But they bring it up.

[00:48:37] It's so new to us that we've already for one yes this would be part of it as far as I believe I think this is part of it.

[00:48:45] Yeah and now people are like where do you guys talking about we don't know what we're talking about I apologize.

[00:48:49] There's a lot we talk about and sometimes we forget so why is it on the ballot assembly member Cecilia agar care curry a democrat from winters no idea where that is.

[00:49:00] You know I okay this is funny winters is now it's like 40 minutes outside of Sacramento and I was just there at April and it is the cutest little town.

[00:49:13] It is so cute.

[00:49:14] I bet there's a lot of cute towns in California it's a big state imagine there's a lot of cute towns in California outside of the big cities.

[00:49:22] She's been trying and failing to get some version of this on the ballot since 2017 after a helpful promotion to assembly majority leaders she finally got away this year.

[00:49:33] Against so again it's a big lopsided it to put this into context this is all part of like.

[00:49:41] Prop 13 and we're not going to go deep into prop 13 but prop 13 was passed way back in the 70s I believe.

[00:49:48] And that basically made it harder for California government to raise taxes on a lot of things and every election cycle every two years maybe some off years.

[00:50:00] Democrats in California have been trying their hardest to like chip away at prop 13 little by little because it's like the last frontier of taxes.

[00:50:09] That that they can't get their hands on they just if they could get property taxes.

[00:50:14] I mean it would probably destroy the housing market here and tons of people would move out but that's a whole different episode.

[00:50:21] So this is prop five is part of this whole prop 13 and they're trying to chip away at it so those who are against have raised 29.6 million dollars and they argue that it's always easy to support taking on more debt if you aren't the one who has to pay it back.

[00:50:37] When a local government decides to borrow money that tab almost always gets put on the property owners who might make up a minority of voters through higher taxes.

[00:50:46] Rather than allow a now majority to make what are potentially financially irresponsible decisions.

[00:50:51] The choice to issue a bond should be made only when a broad consensus exists critics also call this measure just the latest attempt by democratic lawmakers to undo the taxpayer protections that California voters embedded into the state constitution with with prop 13.

[00:51:05] I mean my own personal rule when it comes to bonds every time I see it will raise a bond or ask for a bond I always vote now.

[00:51:14] Those who are four they've only raised five million dollars.

[00:51:20] So being out raised which I imagine will end up in ads being blown up under commercial breaks coming soon.

[00:51:28] You're just starting to see the ads like I feel like the ads are just starting to roll out but you know come October it's going to be like every single commercial is going to be an ad pretty soon.

[00:51:39] Supporters argue that allowing just one third of voters to overrule the wishes of two thirds is on democratic.

[00:51:45] If the majority of voters want their local government to borrow money to fund desperately in the affordable housing or other public infrastructures they should be able to do so.

[00:51:53] So supporters of this include the Caltering Democrat party obviously the AIDS healthcare foundation again.

[00:52:00] You just decided they wanted to get all political this year.

[00:52:04] Yeah, they just that you know and they're really involved in a lot of stuff that doesn't really have been.

[00:52:08] Watch that like something big is going to come.

[00:52:13] California, you mean again is now on this side.

[00:52:16] They are for it California Labor Federation Lorraine Gonzales a League of Women Voters of California.

[00:52:24] Against it is the California Chamber of Commerce Howard Jarvis National Federation of Independent businesses and catalyst for local control that's basically where we're at okay so there is an article that was written in opposition and it's on Cal matters and says want property taxes to go up by California should reject about measure easing bond votes.

[00:52:43] This is written by Susan Shelley she says the November ballot measure gets around property taxis by making easier for local governments to pass bonds.

[00:52:53] A method of borrowing money that is then paid back with interest by adding extra charges to property tax bills sometimes for decades.

[00:53:01] Currently local bonds require two thirds of vote of the electorate this type of taxpayer protection predates the 1879 California Constitution and was first inscribed during the states in inaugural constitution convention three decades earlier.

[00:53:15] The handwritten document from the Gold Rush era states quote.

[00:53:19] It shall be the duty of the legislature to provide for the organization of cities and incorporate villages.

[00:53:24] And to restrict their power of taxation assessment borrowing money contracting deaths in loaning a credit so it's to prevent abuses and assessments and contracting debts by such municipal corporations.

[00:53:36] I think that's actually pretty cool that that's part of our founding documents you know 200 years ago this says.

[00:53:44] We should be restricting their right to power of taxation.

[00:53:48] Yeah.

[00:53:49] We should continue doing that.

[00:53:54] We should be.

[00:53:55] We should continue to go.

[00:53:57] Let's keep going back to that say this is what California was founded on by those back in the Gold Rush era.

[00:54:05] Anyway, let's see 2000 voters were persuaded to pass Prop 3 9 and cut the vote threshold for school bonds from 2 thirds to 55% because.

[00:54:13] Hey, it's always the school kids right it's always school kids and first responders that's that's who always who they draw out in the years since it's made easier for districts to pass parcel taxes to pay for school buildings and many can see the impact on their tax bills.

[00:54:28] Oh, so this is what it is it's not just in these counties that take on the debt either so can a quote transit district a regional transportation commission an association of governments.

[00:54:39] So that was that's what I think you were thinking of well, I was but there was a name for it.

[00:54:45] Yeah, what was the name for it? I can't remember now.

[00:54:49] But anyway they're like not government, but they are governed like sand bags one of them you're going to look at that.

[00:54:55] I think it goes scroll.

[00:54:57] It's like anything else.

[00:54:59] You keep talking all interrupt you.

[00:55:03] What I find it.

[00:55:05] Now that's basically it.

[00:55:07] You know, the article against it if you don't want property taxes to go up in terms of you know, re assessments locally.

[00:55:16] Prop five and I think if you're against taxes going up in general excuse me.

[00:55:23] Prop five is just more chip in a way at prop 13 and slowly they're going to just keep chip in a way at prop 13 until everything that like.

[00:55:31] Prop 13 protects in terms of getting past that two thirds majority.

[00:55:37] I'm going to go by the wayside and next will be your home property taxes. So right and they are there they're always going to use the first responders and the children and those kind of issues and that's.

[00:55:51] I don't know if the first responders for now, California sunflower.

[00:55:54] Yes, shout out to those who are out there fighting the fires. There was a good tweet I saw about how it's like kind of like this lazy argument of people to be like,

[00:56:06] I'm not really sure if you're upset at this issue so I'll pick this one person or one example that's an anomaly out of this larger issue and be like so you hate that person.

[00:56:18] Yes, and that's sort of like how this argument always goes as you're like well, you know we don't I don't want to be able to raise bonds for school districts and they'd like so you hate school children.

[00:56:32] Yeah, no I'd say schools.

[00:56:35] I hate public schools that raise money and then turn on the.

[00:56:40] I have children.

[00:56:41] Yeah, I mean you're a perfect example so of not trusting public schools.

[00:56:47] Yeah, it's always like that's say that I want public schools to fail because those children are going to be our future leaders and future entrepreneurs and you know all the things.

[00:57:00] So which okay episode 259 special districts special districts are like the most local of government as you can get and so we're talking about in this prop when you're talking about the transportation, the water and stuff like that those are usually special districts.

[00:57:20] Yes, yes, so I think it falls under that too.

[00:57:23] Yes, yeah again my my golden rule when it comes to looking at these ballots the minute I see it says props I want so authorized just the issue and so the bond I'm like nope don't have to go further.

[00:57:36] I don't need we don't need anymore debt we don't need to again change the argument the argument should be well this be better with the government not involved in it.

[00:57:45] So let's go back to now like the whole record troll cap and how these things actually line up together because if suddenly we're having our property taxes increased someone owns the property that you're renting it if they're paying more property taxes it's fair of them to raise the rent one of the 10 it comes in accordingly.

[00:58:06] Between inflation you know anything that they have to do to fix up the apartment and now if they're paying more property taxes then of course.

[00:58:15] They're trying to make profit they're trying to turn it on money so.

[00:58:20] Well not only that it becomes like if your a renter or like.

[00:58:27] They just allowed for this the California public utilities commission they just approved it for like PG and E to like raise their rates more so it's just like so they're allowed to raise low like electric companies are fine to continue raising the rates even though electrical and utility rates are astronomical here.

[00:58:48] And politicians power whatever they want.

[00:58:52] Yeah, there's a lot you know oh it's too hot everyone has to shut off their ac.

[00:58:56] No politician has ever taken a strong stance against any of these public utilities it just seems like they all with or like even down here Todd Gloria folded under pressure and just let's say SDG and do whatever they want and like raise our rates like.

[00:59:11] I don't know they just they always fold when it comes to these public utilities, but that's an example of like they allow everything else in California to get expensive.

[00:59:19] And then they turn around and like point landlords and property owners and like not a you can't raise your your rates like you have to keep the same even though everything else the cost of everything else to be a property owner is going sky high.

[00:59:31] No, no you can't raise your rent a certain amount of money so.

[00:59:36] Um, again what if we just got government out of it what if we just stop letting government pick and choose our electric companies I don't know let's get crazy here.

[00:59:45] Yeah, let's try let's try some new things hearing California let's just get government out everything.

[00:59:50] Let's start from there let's clean slate it start start fresh hearing California just clean slate it.

[00:59:56] That would be my platform clean slate 20 24 20 28 anyway.

[01:00:04] All right, we have an ultimate full is not running for anything.

[01:00:07] I'm not ready for anything and ready for no that's not really.

[01:00:12] Yeah, we're running for anything.

[01:00:15] All right, so those are our propositions.

[01:00:18] This one I don't know I give away the tail for us.

[01:00:22] I did but we're coming up on the hour and I don't want to rush through this story because it's an interesting story.

[01:00:29] Maybe it's kind of a developing story so yeah, so maybe we'll save that for another episode because it's a developing story will leave you hanging in terms of it's about new soon.

[01:00:38] All right, actually research that one like see what I can find on it.

[01:00:43] That one's actually really interesting it's about new soon whale watching down in Baja that was his story, but did he even go well watching who knows.

[01:00:52] What was he down there for we'll leave it at that.

[01:00:55] But anyway, prop five I don't know maybe this one has a good chance I think to pass because people the language is always like so flowery and wonderful of like allows cities to raise funds to but you know build affordable housing saved the children in the puppies and ice cream shops.

[01:01:17] And then like I like that sounds wonderful than you vote for it and then you get hit in your property taxes so prop five I think probably is a better chance in prop 33 because the idea of rent control just.

[01:01:30] Doesn't go over well with a lot of people prop three will probably pass no problem because I don't think people care enough to really as you can see no one's even against it no one's raised any money against it and honestly like we said who cares at this point like horses already out of the barn it's already a lot.

[01:01:47] So any other thoughts on our props that we covered today we have a couple more props I think there's like.

[01:01:54] There's four there's four more props we may have to do one episode one more episode just get all those for they're not as exciting I think the last four so we could probably get the last four in not to say don't tune in I'm just saying they're not as.

[01:02:09] I don't think it's substantial.

[01:02:11] But anyway they're all substantial I should say all propositions are substantial and they'll have an impact so any final thoughts on any of the props.

[01:02:21] No.

[01:02:23] Okay, so that's our episode for today we'll be back well we're back now we'll be back on schedule finish up the year with up until election day going over more propositions what's going on.

[01:02:36] What's going on with what bills are signed into law what are what's going into effect all that and then yeah it's going to be a busy couple weeks until November election so.

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