On this episode of the California Underground, Phil and Camille discuss the recent tragedy in Stockton where a shooting at a birthday party left 4 dead and 11 wounded. They discuss the problem with crime in Stockton, the history of gang violence, and the laws in California that go soft on gang violence. They also discuss California spending $450 million on a new 911 system, only to scrap it and start over. Finally, President Trump sues California over in state tuition for undocumented students.
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Tragedy in Stockton with more gang violence.
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We're going to talk about all of the crime that's going on
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stocked in the gang wars that are happening up there as well
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as California spending half a billion dollars on a new 911
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system only to just scrap it and start all over.
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Trump sues California for in state tuition for undocumented
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citizens and students. And we're going to get into all
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that and more on this episode of The California Underground,
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starting right now. What's going on, everybody?
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Thanks for tuning in to another episode of the California
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Underground. I'm your host, Phil.
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We got a ton of stuff to get to, including gang violence up in
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Stockton. Half a billion dollars wasted,
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again, by the state because we just love wasting taxpayer money
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here in the state. And Trump sues California over
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in state tuition for undocumented students.
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Before we hop into all that, make sure you subscribe, like,
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share, comment, all that stuff helps with the algorithm,
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especially if you're tuning in here on YouTube, where we love
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listening to our chat. And as always, joining me is my
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Co host, the best, the fastest researcher in the West, Camille.
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What's going on, Camille? Do you know what?
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I didn't mention this to you before we hopped on and I just
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remembered December 1st, 2022. It's your birthday.
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It's it's my three-year birthday, three years.
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Oh, it's your three-year anniversary.
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Thank you. You're welcome.
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I I remember I had one sound cue on my board so.
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What sound cue? Yeah.
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The applause. Crazy, crazy.
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It's been three years. Three years already.
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Wow. Newsome's still our governor.
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Newsome's still governor and we're still talking about him,
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and we've covered a lot. And yeah, it's been quite a
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ride. So in 2026 is going to be even
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crazier. So first story of the night,
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kind of a really downer of a story, but a very serious story
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that I felt like we had to kind of cover because there's a lot
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of, there is a political slant to it because obviously this
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stuff wouldn't happen if it weren't for politics and what's
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going on in the state. And obviously these are
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important stories that we want to talk about.
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It's not always just about politics.
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It's about what's going on in California in general.
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There was a shooting up in Stockton this past week.
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It was very tragic, I think, as four people died, including
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children. It was a birthday party, 11
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injured. It is believed that this was
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gang violence and gang retaliation.
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So gang wars going on in Stockton.
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Just as a disclaimer, this story specifically to me, I lived in
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Stockton. I went to uop up in Stockton.
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So I was a Stocktonian for four years, know the city pretty
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well. So it kind of hits a little
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personal home. Personal note for me when I see
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anything about Stockton, especially something like this,
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'cause I'm like, man, you know, I believe it.
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Stockton is a rough town. They told us when we were on
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campus, don't go off campus. They're like, it's beautiful
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campus. Don't go anywhere off campus.
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Like just don't go out in Stockton.
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And yeah, there's a lot of tragedy here.
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Let's just get into the video right now and we're going to
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kind of dissect the history of what's going on in Stockton.
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Like how bad is it in Stockton? If you're in the chat and you
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live in the Central Valley or you know about Stockton, let us
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know your thoughts. Also, if you're in the chat,
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make sure you check in where you're at in California or maybe
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not in California. We've been getting a lot of
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people who are like, hey, I'm out in Texas and I enjoy your
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show and keep doing what you're doing.
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So wherever you are watching, just let us know and let's hop
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into this first video. Stockton community is reeling
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from Saturday's mass shooting. It left 4 dead and eleven others
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injured. And we know three of those
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killed are children and one barely an adult at 21 years old.
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And as these people try to figure out what led up to the
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shooting and who did this, hundreds gathered yesterday for
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a vigil to honor and support the victims, with faith leaders
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calling on city leaders for direction and to bring the
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community together. Many of those who took the
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podium demanding change, saying enough is enough.
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I'm not just here only wanting to come to a vigil, but I come
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with frustration, I come with rage, I come with anger.
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I'm mad as hell that a 8 year old that a nine year old that a
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14 year old that a 21 year old was killed in our city.
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There is something that everybody can do.
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Every single one of us have some kind of influence.
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If we are moms, our children is our influence.
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If we are working, our workplace is our influence.
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But we have to, every one of us, do something and be on the same
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page. Stockton city leaders joining
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individual as well, saying now is the time for the city to come
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together in the face of violence.
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It's never been gangster to kill kids.
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Never. It's never been gangster to kill
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kids. You went in a in a birthday
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party and shot people's children.
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And I can't imagine a parent burying their child, what that
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must be feel like when they should be making their Christmas
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list. And our hearts go out to those
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families that have lost someone, especially now with the holiday
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season. And again, the question is what
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led up to the shooting and who committed it?
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So if you have any information about the shooting or any
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possible suspect, you're asked to call Stockton Crime Stoppers.
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The number is up here on your screen.
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It's 209-946-0600. You can leave a tip anonymously.
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And there are thousands of dollars in reward money now
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being offered. And ABC 10 will continue to
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fall. All right, the lady who was
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talking there at the end, the blonde lady is her name is
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Stockton Mayor Christina Fugazi. I'm assuming that's how I, I
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sorry, I'm trying not to make light of something, but in
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Italian, Fugazi is kind of like a slang term for something
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completely different. If you're Italian, you know what
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I'm talking about. She had a statement to say about
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all of this. And it looks like contrary to a
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lot of mayors across the country who are refusing the help of
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Donald Trump in terms like with Chicago, we know what's going on
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in Chicago. They're refusing help there.
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They don't want help in LA. They don't want help from the
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National Guard and the federal government to kind of crack down
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on gangs. This is a complete opposite
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take. And the Stockton mayor is
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basically saying bring it on. Bring on like everybody you
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have, she's requesting all sorts of federal resources, Fugazi
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said. This is from an article from CBS
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News said the city has cracked down on illegal guns, seizing
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752 guns off the street so far this year, up from 610 in the
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same time period last year. Quote, we've got approximately
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5000 gang members and 100 gangs in the city of Stockton, which
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that is a ton of gangs in one city, like 100 gangs and 5000
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gang members. She goes on to say we need more,
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we need more. We want to be their pilot site
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for the United States of America.
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Come to Stockton, We're here ready with our arms open for you
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to come into the city and let us lead them the nation on how to
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do it right. This was the statement she
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released. I'm calling on the full power of
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the federal government not only to stop crime, but also to give
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our community the tools to prevent crime before it starts.
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We propose an anti crime and human development program called
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the Community Impact Program that brings appropriate
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resources from the Department of Health and Human Resources or
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Services, the Department of Housing and Urban Development,
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the Department of Justice, the Department of Education,
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Department of Labor, Department of Agriculture, Department of
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Transportation, Department of Treasury, Department of
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Commerce, the Department of Veterans Affairs and Department
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of Interior directly into Stockton so we can build a
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safer, healthier and more resilient community.
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So yeah, but basically, like I said, everybody, anything that
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the federal government can provide is what she's asking
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for. She wants all of it.
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She needs all the help she can get.
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And this has been a problem in Stockton for a long time.
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I want to kind of get into a timeline that I have in my
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notes, but before I do, I wanted to see if you had any thoughts,
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Camille. Well I actually have a question
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which I should have. Should have figured this out
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before I hopped on here. Do we know why they're
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speculating this was gang related?
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That's just to speculate. I think because of the way it
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went down the the shooting into a birthday party, just kind of
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the wild shooting, it's just kind of characteristic of those
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types of shootings. Like it wasn't targeted to
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anybody. It was just sort of a drive by
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shooting. That's why it seemed they
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haven't linked it to anyone specifically yet.
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That's why they're looking for information.
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But all the stories I read are just that it is related to gang
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violence. And if you're in Stockton then I
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I assume they're all just assuming horrible violence like
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this is gang related. I'm not familiar with Stockton
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at all. I had to look up where it even
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is today so. You didn't know Stockton is the
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biggest inland port in all of the United States.
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That is a fun fact for everybody, I think.
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I'm sorry I I feel dumb. Thank you the.
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Port of Stockton. I'm going to make a a bold
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statement that. OK.
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I could be very wrong on, but I understand that Governor Gavin
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Newsom, did you know he's not behind the shooting.
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He didn't hand someone a gun. He didn't ask someone to go do
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this. But November 2024, California
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absolutely voted Prop 36, which was basically to reform Prop 47,
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which was to, you know, start really going after these crimes,
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petty crimes and bigger crimes because California has really
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let this slide. And so my statement here is that
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Governor Gavin Newsom is definitely partially responsible
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for this happening as he has just turned his head absolutely
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from funding Prop 36 and has just forgotten that it ever
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existed. And he prioritized Prop 50 this
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year. He was more concerned with
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making sure that we packed the Congress with more Democrats,
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and therefore he decided that spending nearly $300 million of
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taxpayer money on the special election for Prop 50 was far
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more important than funding Prop 36, which could put criminals
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like this behind bars and prevent children being killed
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senselessly. Somebody in the chat said this
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happened about a mile and 1/2 from my home.
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It's very sad and frustrating. I volunteer with the Stockton PD
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and it really is a small percentage of people that do
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most of their crimes here. I mean, that was my experience.
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I was there from O4 to O8. There were lots of great people
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in Stockton, but it is, it's a small minority of what's going
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on in Stockton. I had worked at the district
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attorneys, I was an intern as a pre law minor and worked at the
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District Attorney and well, some of the stuff that we had to look
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at evidence, crime scene photos were just absolutely awful.
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I had to do a project once. It was like the first day I was
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there. I don't know if it was hazing or
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just had to be done. They were like, hey, can you
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organize these photos, these crime scene photos?
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And it was a woman who was shot 8 times just walking home from
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the grocery store because she was wearing red in the wrong
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neighborhood. Like she was wearing red.
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And they just pulled up and shot her eight times.
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And you had to go through the whole crime scene and the
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autopsy and all of that. And I was like, Wolf, OK, so
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this is what's going on in Stockton, not on UOP campus.
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It was kind of like bursting your little, you know, college
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bubble. All right, So I want to go over
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a little brief history of what's going on and then we're going to
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talk about the politics side of it.
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Like why? Why is it so bad?
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Why can't they crack down on anymore gang violence or any of
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these gang really a crimes basically, let me try and get
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through this as fast as possible.
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Through the 1950s and 1960s, Stockton's first recognizable
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St. gangs emerged in the African American and Mexican American
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neighborhood South and West of downtown small turf.
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There were some Asian gangs. 1980s became the crack cocaine
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era in the birth of modern gangs. 84 to 89.
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Crack epidemic hit Stockton hard.
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Crips in the Bloods, which I heard about is that Crips in the
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Bloods moved from LA all the way up to five and started to
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recruit locally in Stockton, which caused more gangs to kind
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of move into Stockton. Mexican Hispanic gangs,
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solidifiers, the Nortenios then there was Soreno's and then the
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Dicato St. and Vicki's town. Those were more Mexican gangs.
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Early 1990s was when there was really bad.
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Stockton ranked in the top five to 10 most dangerous cities per
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capita in the US. 1993 record 71 homicides, mostly gang related
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Asian gangs exploded, including original Asian gang, Asian St.
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walkers and especially tiny rascals gang, which is a
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notorious gang became major players after Southeast Asian
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refugees reached their teenage years.
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So think about this is what the 30 and OK, I'm trying to think
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of like Asian refugees, Southeast Asia, maybe Vietnam
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and something like that. Late 1990s, early 2000s, there
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was a kind of a pushback. More gangs appeared like subsets
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and hybrids, young gangsta Crips, the Taliban boys.
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That's a interesting name. Around that time, in 2000, the
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Great Recession hit, which obviously caused more gang
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recruitment. When there's obviously bad
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economic factors, more people are going to join gangs.
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From 2011 to 2012, 58 of 71 murders were basically gang
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related. Now there was Norcal versus
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Socal beefs and Stockton and Sacramento gangs and rappers
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were all of a sudden in part of it.
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Now we jump to COVID, more gang violence, younger shooters and
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then we have today, which is 2024, there's 54 homicides up
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slightly from the past years. And then we come to today, which
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is the horrible shooting, including four dead and children
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11 to 14 wounded. And this is Flyboy Crips and the
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Muddy boys beef with this possible rap scene ties.
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So if you needed a little bit of a timeline on what's going on in
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Stockton, it's not great. They've been trying to tackle
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this gang problem for a long time now.
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It ebb didn't flowed. It looked like even though they
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made progress, some years it wasn't enough.
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So it's kind of like, well, we, we reduced gang violence by 30%,
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which still means that it was still pretty bad compared to
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normal cities. That's how bad Stockton is.
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Is that even reducing it by 30% or something is still really bad
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in in most cities and Stockton is still one of the most
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dangerous cities in the country. I think you sent me stats on
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violent crime in Stockton, how bad it is.
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It always ranks in like the top ten.
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It's just really one of the worst cities there was.
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I was looking at this 2024, there's 145 plus shootings.
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That's about 1314 per 1000 residents.
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That's terrifying that it's 14 shootings per 1000 residents.
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There is gang members tracked in Stockton, 88 thousand
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statewide. Sorry, that's 88 gang
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murders statewide. It's a lot.
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Gang problem is a really bad problem in California and no one
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seems to really talk about it. You know, we talked about Rob
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Bonta last week and how he's in the middle in this huge scandal
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with Andy Duong and what's going on in Oakland.
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And these are things that you think like the attorney general
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should be cracking down on. The governor should be cracking
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down on. We should not be as lenient as
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we are with gang violence because this is the stuff that
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happens when you just kind of turn a blind eye to gangs and
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gang related violence. This is what happens.
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Someone is going to get caught in the crossfire.
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And unfortunately in this shocking and tragic case, it's
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young children who got killed, who lost their lives right
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before Christmas. Like the mayor was saying, they
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should be filling out their Santa Christmas list.
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It shouldn't be like this. And you know, for all Gavin
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wants to go on X and post a statement.
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Oh, this is so tragic. And our hearts go out to it.
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And it's like, well, you're part of the problem.
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You're part of the problem. You to your point, Camille, you
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don't want to fund Prop 36. You don't want to get tough on
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crime. I want to show a video in a
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second. Newsom also signed something
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else that also made this problem even worse.
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You're all part of the problem. Rob Bonds is not stepping up.
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It's just this type of crime is just for some reason ignored in
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California. And I, I, I don't know why they
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ignore it. Maybe they just don't want to
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tackle it. It's kind of like what's going
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on with illegal grows, like cannabis grows in North Northern
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California. We just don't talk about that
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either. You know, we have Chinese and
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Mexican cartels operating in our state.
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No one cares about that. There's horrible gang violence
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and children being gunned down in the streets.
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I mean, awful, awful stuff. Let me get your thoughts because
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I'm going to take a sip of water before we hop into our next like
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video. Well.
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You may be coming to this, but I think because I think one of the
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articles you sent, the mayor said she doesn't want the
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National Guard to come in because she doesn't want a
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situation like what happened in Los Angeles.
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But I guess I am. I don't know what the word is,
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so I won't describe the word. I won't say my emotions.
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But why is she going back to Newsome?
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Why is she going over Newsome's head in the sense of like, why
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isn't she calling on Newsome? Newsome do something?
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Perhaps she's realized Newsome doesn't do anything and it's
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just pointless. And so she's like, I'm I'm going
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above you. I'm going to higher grounds
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because somebody needs to do something and you haven't.
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But she did say she doesn't want the National Guard, which, yeah,
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I don't know what the National Guard could necessarily do.
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So I suppose they just need more funding for police, not just
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that, but that, you know, there needs, needs a lot of things.
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But more funding for police would obviously be a good, good
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start. But yeah, I was kind of confused
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about why she was like, no National Guard.
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But again, I guess that would be temporary.
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And yeah, so it needs to be a permanent fix, not just
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something like bring them in for a couple weeks.
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On the comment, this is This is why we do this live, I just want
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to say, and This is why we love our chat because I didn't know
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that about this story and I was listening, I promise.
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But somebody brought this up in the chat.
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I can multitask. Anybody remember Patrick Purdy?
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And I never heard about Patrick Purdy.
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This was a Stockton schoolyard shooting. 1989 a guy by the name
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of Patrick Purdy, 24 years old, shot and killed five children
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and wounded 31 others, all but one of them children, before
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committing suicide with a single pistol shot to the head.
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Wow. OK.
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That's that's tragical around. Yeah, it's wow, more bad news
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for Stockton. Just there's something that
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there's like bad juju going on in Stockton, like they need AI.
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Don't know. I don't know what you would call
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it. Like they just need like a big
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exorcist of of Stockton. But to my next point, we were
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talking about Gavin Newsom and people who are not taking this
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seriously and and fostering sort of a soft on crime gang violence
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stance or public safety stance. And I looked into it, but I
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think I want us to watch this video because I don't, I don't
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think anyone can explain it better than this District
00:21:11
Attorney from Tulare County about a bill called AB 333,
00:21:16
which is called the Step Forward Act.
00:21:18
And he's going to explain why it is so terrible for California
00:21:21
and why it's going to cause more gang violence and more gang
00:21:25
crime. It's going to make our cities
00:21:27
less safe. Hello Tulare County, As your
00:21:31
District Attorney, I believe that part of my job is to
00:21:34
inform, to ensure the reality of how public safety in the
00:21:37
criminal justice system right here in Tulare County is being
00:21:40
affected by decisions made in Sacramento by the governor and
00:21:44
the legislature. A bill that very few people have
00:21:48
heard of is Assembly Bill 333 relating to criminal St. gangs.
00:21:53
Governor Newsom signed this bill and it took effect January of
00:21:56
2022. It changes the law in several
00:22:00
ways and ultimately reduces and limits our ability to charge and
00:22:04
prove gang related crimes. While current law does allow for
00:22:09
an additional sentence to be imposed for crimes that benefit
00:22:12
a gang, this new change will result in fewer cases having
00:22:16
that additional punishment imposed.
00:22:19
Also, the new law bifurcates or splits criminal gang allegations
00:22:24
from other crimes in a criminal trial proceeding.
00:22:28
In doing so, prosecutors must prove 2 phases of a case
00:22:31
separately, 1st that the crime was committed, followed by a
00:22:36
separate trial phase proving the crime was gang related.
00:22:40
This bill also removes District Attorney's ability to prove a
00:22:43
list of offenses that includes some fraud and identity theft
00:22:47
crimes, but most shockingly, felony vandalism from the list
00:22:51
of crimes that define a pattern of criminal gang activity.
00:22:56
In other words, the felony crime of tagging gang graffiti across
00:23:01
our cities can no longer be used as evidence that gang members
00:23:05
engage in a pattern of criminal gang activity.
00:23:09
But I want you to know that I was against this new law.
00:23:12
Due to the aggressive efforts of law enforcement in Tulare County
00:23:15
and members of my office, we've seen a drastic decrease in gang
00:23:19
crimes in our cities. The number of alleged gang
00:23:22
crimes submitted to our office over the past few years has
00:23:26
reduced as much as 40%. But the ramifications of this
00:23:30
bill are simple. You're going to hear about
00:23:33
crimes committed, and this law will now limit our ability to
00:23:37
charge the special enhancement and increase the punishment.
00:23:41
Once again, the Legislature has reduced sentences for some of
00:23:46
the most dangerous criminals who prey upon our communities.
00:23:49
This law was also applied retroactively, so my office and
00:23:54
law enforcement are going to have to review every pending
00:23:57
case to ensure the evidence meets the requirements of the
00:24:00
new law. My fear is that inevitably, some
00:24:03
of our cases will now have that additional punishment stripped.
00:24:08
I hope this short summary has been helpful to raise some
00:24:11
awareness of the new law. But going forward, please know
00:24:16
that members of my office are going to continue to charge gang
00:24:19
enhancements when there's sufficient evidence to establish
00:24:22
the required elements. But thank you for listening and
00:24:25
God bless you all. Right.
00:24:28
So that video was from several years ago when AB 333 was signed
00:24:34
to break it all down legally. What he's talking about is
00:24:40
they've now made it so it used to be you could get a gang
00:24:44
enhancement to your sentence, meaning the sentence would be
00:24:47
harsher if they could kind of link you to gang activity.
00:24:51
So in terms of you talking about graffiti, that's one example.
00:24:55
I watched another clip of people who were advocating for AB333
00:24:59
and they were talking about how this one guy who was a member of
00:25:03
a gang and they were they were advocating for it because
00:25:05
they're like, wow, this is so in just this isn't fair.
00:25:10
They were, their hypothetical was well, if this guy went to
00:25:15
the store, I guess this really happened and he was a gang
00:25:18
member and he needed to get milk for his starving child or
00:25:22
something and he didn't have the money so he stole the milk.
00:25:27
Then they were like, oh, he could get a gang enhancement
00:25:30
because he stole the milk and he was part of a gang.
00:25:32
So it made it a harsher penalty. So their argument is that's not
00:25:36
fair because he's not really, it's not really gang related,
00:25:39
even though that same case he stole a beer, which then I guess
00:25:43
he shared with his gang buddies. Regardless, that's their
00:25:47
argument is that he was a member of a gang, he stole milk and
00:25:50
they were like, well, he shouldn't be penalized as a gang
00:25:52
member. So that's what AB 333 is all
00:25:56
about is they're trying to take that away.
00:25:59
And like the District Attorney was saying is you can first go
00:26:02
through and prove that the crime did happen.
00:26:05
So in the case, if it's graffiti or robbery or something like
00:26:08
that, then you could say, OK, well, this is the crime.
00:26:11
You've been convicted of this crime.
00:26:14
The second phase of that trial is then you have to show it was
00:26:17
for the benefit of a gang, which is much more tenuous.
00:26:21
It's much harder to show that it's for the benefit of a gang
00:26:27
because not everything necessarily is for the benefit
00:26:29
of a gang. It you may just be a member of a
00:26:32
gang and committing crime and that makes it harder to give
00:26:37
them the gang enhancement sentencing to kind of drop the
00:26:42
hammer on them and say, like, don't be a member of a gang.
00:26:45
Because if you get caught committing any crime, they're
00:26:47
really going to drop the hammer on you.
00:26:49
Instead of going away for three years, maybe you'll go away for
00:26:51
eight years or something like that.
00:26:54
That's what the DA is talking about.
00:26:57
And, you know, could they could a jury of their peers say like,
00:27:03
oh, they so they got caught with graffiti vandalizing.
00:27:09
Is that for the benefit of a gang?
00:27:11
I don't know, like, how do you make that case That's for the
00:27:14
benefit of a gang by just doing some graffiti.
00:27:18
So that's one way. And this was signed into law by
00:27:22
Gavin Newsom as part of his Step Forward Act to kind of, you
00:27:28
know, there's part of that whole phase early on in his career
00:27:31
about it feels like it was a long time ago, but it was really
00:27:34
just like five years ago that Democrats were going through
00:27:37
this whole soft on crime criminal justice reform wave.
00:27:42
And this was part of it was they were trying to get rid of this
00:27:47
gang enhancement. So AB 333 was AI think in my
00:27:51
research, a bad law that look, if you're trying to crack down
00:27:57
on gangs, you one deterrent you can use is to use gang
00:28:02
enhancements to say don't do any crime, Don't be a part of a gang
00:28:07
because you'll go to jail for even longer.
00:28:10
That's one way you can do it. And that's one way you can crack
00:28:12
down on crime. But if you're just going to get
00:28:15
picked up for vandalizing, I don't know how long are you?
00:28:19
Are you even going to go to jail like in California?
00:28:22
Like is that is that a slap on the race?
00:28:24
You'll be back out on the street anyway, or in this case, you'll
00:28:29
be back on the street a lot sooner.
00:28:32
So that's, that's what's happening.
00:28:34
Is this soft on crime? Soft on gang crime is happening
00:28:38
here in California thanks to people like Gavin Newsom who
00:28:40
signed laws like this. Any thoughts on that?
00:28:46
Yeah, I like what you said. Just don't be in a gang.
00:28:49
Like just stop, stop doing stupid stuff.
00:28:52
Maybe, you know, find better friends, go get a job, go back
00:28:57
to school and and don't be in a gang.
00:28:59
Don't be in a gang, it's probably not going to workout.
00:29:02
Good for you. And that's why, like in the
00:29:05
recession, in COVID, you saw gang membership rise because of
00:29:10
the fact that when things get desperate and you're in a
00:29:14
neighborhood that doesn't have a lot of economic opportunity,
00:29:16
sure, your only place to turn is join a gang.
00:29:20
That's the only place maybe you can make money.
00:29:22
So that's why gang membership rises during recessions or times
00:29:25
that are not economically great. But I don't know how they crack
00:29:30
down on the has there been any good examples of cracking down
00:29:34
on crime? Or I mean, I know in LA they
00:29:37
really cracked down on gangs during the 90s, but it feels
00:29:42
like Stockton just never did. It feels like Stockton never did
00:29:45
what it was supposed to, to crack down, and now we're seeing
00:29:48
the ramifications of it. Yeah, I think people don't
00:29:52
realize ramifications can can come years, decades later.
00:29:57
Like we kind of mentioned on a recent episode that it was I
00:30:01
think in the 1990s that the UK started, you know, making it so
00:30:06
much harder to own a gun. And now here they are getting
00:30:09
arrested for Facebook, Twitter posts, like crazy stuff.
00:30:13
And, you know, that didn't happen right away, obviously.
00:30:15
But it's sort of like, well, like we always say here, this
00:30:18
Second Amendment protects the First Amendment kind of thing.
00:30:23
Anyway, that's getting off topic.
00:30:24
I hope that I don't sound insensitive to this incident
00:30:28
because this sometimes I have to just kind of like tune out
00:30:33
emotionally because as a as a mom, I always am like, that's
00:30:38
the same age as like like 14. I have a 14 year old daughter.
00:30:43
My kids are, you know, of course, getting older every
00:30:45
year, but 8 and 9 year old, I have 8:00 and 9:00 year old
00:30:48
nieces and nephews. And so it's very easy for me to
00:30:51
connect that like that, that could be that kid, that could be
00:30:54
like this kid that I know that I love.
00:30:56
You know, it's like that that could have been them.
00:30:59
It could 20. I have a 20 year old son. 21 is
00:31:01
so young still. And we, I know like it's
00:31:04
technically an adult, but my gosh, when you really look back
00:31:06
and think about when you were 21, like that's, that's so
00:31:08
young. And so I, this is very tragic.
00:31:11
This is very sad. And, and so I hope that nobody
00:31:14
thinks that I'm just sitting here being sarcastic or like,
00:31:17
just like, Oh yeah, whatever, you know, happened.
00:31:20
No, like this is awful. This I, I hate that this, this
00:31:23
kind of thing is happening so often that we do tend to just be
00:31:26
like, oh, look, another one, another one.
00:31:29
Like that's, that's horrible. And it it's horrible that anyone
00:31:35
would that any child would die like this at any time.
00:31:38
But yeah, bring like, when we think about we had just had
00:31:40
Thanksgiving and now we're preparing for this new holiday
00:31:43
season. And like everyone said, this kid
00:31:46
should be making their, you know, Hanukkah or Christmas wish
00:31:48
list. They should be excited to go get
00:31:51
the Christmas tree. And we don't really have that
00:31:54
much snow. I don't know if Stockton has
00:31:55
snow, but it's like, you know, the winter, like it's just the
00:31:58
Christmas break coming up from school.
00:32:00
Like all the things, all the fun things that these kids should be
00:32:04
excited about and the parents excited to do with them.
00:32:07
And instead it's just a whole different story.
00:32:10
And it's hug your babies. Yeah, you really don't know
00:32:18
where Stockton is. That's funny.
00:32:23
We never got snow. As it gets cold, it gets cold in
00:32:25
Stockton. It gets super hot too.
00:32:27
I remember the summers would get like 112.
00:32:30
Someone in the chat said please don't tell me a baby died.
00:32:33
I think what was the youngest age 4 is 48 and 14.
00:32:37
I I think they were 8914 and 20. Nine, yeah.
00:32:41
We don't know the ages of the injured.
00:32:44
Yeah, there's injured, there's 11 or 14 injured.
00:32:47
So they are babies. I mean, the 8 year old is like
00:32:54
maybe a kid, but it just feels like wow, it's crazy.
00:32:59
So obviously we're going to keep up on this story.
00:33:02
This is still a developing story.
00:33:04
What's happening? Who there is the allegation
00:33:08
there is the belief that it's gang related.
00:33:11
We've been talking a lot about gang violence.
00:33:14
Someone said Stockton has snow, but not the kind that you can
00:33:17
think of, right? That's probably why there's so
00:33:19
much gang violence that. Makes.
00:33:22
Sense, thank. Thank you for that.
00:33:24
We're going to keep up on this story as like it progresses, but
00:33:27
this is important. This is one of those issues that
00:33:29
not wholly political. There is some politics to it,
00:33:33
but is an issue that needs to be talked about in Stockton because
00:33:36
it seems like no one else is talking about it.
00:33:38
Kind of like illegal grows up in Northern California from the
00:33:43
Mexican and Chinese cartels. You talk to most people, they
00:33:45
don't know about this stuff. And then people don't know about
00:33:48
how bad gang violence is here in California.
00:33:51
It's just never talked about. So it's not always political.
00:33:56
Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say real quick
00:33:58
too, because California is such a, you know, a large state.
00:34:01
We've got what, 58 counties and Phil's in San Diego County, I'm
00:34:05
in Orange County. So we're here in Southern
00:34:07
California. And we do try to search the news
00:34:10
constantly, but sometimes there's these little like niche
00:34:13
stories that we don't necessarily hear of.
00:34:16
You guys are always welcome to send us tips.
00:34:19
You know you can make a comment here.
00:34:21
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00:34:26
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00:34:29
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00:34:33
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00:34:37
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00:34:38
aware of a story that you feel like needs eyes on it that just
00:34:42
is not being talked about in California, we're we're happy to
00:34:45
look at it and see if if there's something we can say about it.
00:34:48
Yeah, we'll, we'll put it out there if it's, you know, it's a
00:34:51
good story that we need to get people to know about.
00:34:55
We'll we'll definitely talk about it because the news, as
00:34:58
much as we follow the news and report it and relay it to you
00:35:02
guys, that's what we're here for, is also the stuff that
00:35:05
falls through the cracks that maybe they don't want to talk.
00:35:07
You probably are. Tired of us talking about Gavin
00:35:09
Newsom every week, you know, So unless he does something new.
00:35:14
Crazy, but yeah. Think about it, we have one more
00:35:17
year of Gavin Newsom. We're literally at the last year
00:35:20
of his governorship. So, but to to switch gears now
00:35:27
and talk more about Gavin Newsom.
00:35:30
Speaking of. You know this, this story was
00:35:33
very heavy. This story might be pretty heavy
00:35:35
too. I know you'll be shocked, but
00:35:37
California took our tax money and wasted it on something that
00:35:41
didn't go anywhere. I know that's Camille shocked
00:35:45
face. I'm shocked.
00:35:46
I saw the headline. I was like the no, California
00:35:49
wasting our tax dollars on something.
00:35:51
Turns out they spent almost a half a billion dollars on
00:35:55
revamping the 911 system. Maybe this is a good segue from
00:36:00
crime and all this happening in Stockton.
00:36:03
They were trying to revamp the 911 system because it's in
00:36:07
Gavin's own words, it was antiquated.
00:36:10
So they spent $450 million on it. 2 Just scrap it and start
00:36:15
all over again and say whoops, this doesn't work, so let's
00:36:19
watch the video and we'll talk about it afterwards and break it
00:36:23
down. And the state of California
00:36:25
spent more than five years and $450 million upgrading our aging
00:36:30
911 system, only to overhaul its plan and face spending more time
00:36:35
and taxpayer money. AB Sense Becca Ha Becker joins
00:36:37
us live in studio with more on this tonight.
00:36:40
Becca. Yeah, Alex, the California
00:36:41
Office of Emergency Services published a new report this
00:36:44
month shedding light on why it paused the statewide rollout of
00:36:48
what it calls Next Generation 911.
00:36:50
The Sacramento Bee broke this story, and tonight we show you
00:36:54
how much taxpayers have paid so far, what we have to show for
00:36:57
it, and how much more this project could cost. 911
00:37:01
emergency what are you putting? Throughout the state, California
00:37:03
has about 450 emergency dispatch centers, also known as public
00:37:08
safety, answering points or peace apps.
00:37:10
California's overall system, what connects all these
00:37:13
emergency services, is more than 50 years old.
00:37:16
That's why in his first week as governor in 2019, Gavin Newsom
00:37:19
vowed to modernize what he called the state's antiquated
00:37:23
911 system. Cal OES led the charge, choosing
00:37:26
a unique regional approach with multiple vendors so an outage in
00:37:30
one area wouldn't become an outage statewide.
00:37:33
From 2019 to 2024, Cal OES says the state paid more than $450
00:37:38
million upgrading to what it calls Next Generation 911.
00:37:43
But earlier this year, Cal OES paused the plan.
00:37:46
A newly released Cal OES report sheds light on what happened.
00:37:50
The good news? System upgrades are in place at
00:37:53
every dispatch centers statewide, it says, allowing
00:37:56
dispatchers to better pinpoint a caller's location and receive
00:38:00
text to 911. However, only 23 of the peace
00:38:04
apps have begun the migration for voice calls, and those 23
00:38:08
centers ran into significant operational disruptions, the
00:38:11
report says. Cal OES found dispatchers had to
00:38:14
handle incoming calls from both the old and new systems while
00:38:18
transitioning over, which is a time consuming and risky process
00:38:22
during emergencies. It found the regional system
00:38:25
creates interdependencies, delaying issue resolution.
00:38:28
SoCal OES paused the rollout and is scrapping the regional plan
00:38:32
in favor of a statewide approach.
00:38:34
They'll seek just two contractors in a process
00:38:37
starting early next year, which means more money and more time.
00:38:41
How long have we been paying for the next Gen. system?
00:38:44
I believe it was in the 2019-2020 budget.
00:38:48
And that includes the installation of the
00:38:50
infrastructure across the 447 peace apps.
00:38:54
And how long did we say then it was going to take?
00:38:58
The last time we were before this body, we assumed that we
00:39:01
would be completed by the end of this year.
00:39:03
The new Cal OES report says it now plans to complete the
00:39:07
transition to statewide Next Generation 911.
00:39:11
So they first proposed this plan 2019 when Gavin Newsom was sworn
00:39:17
in as governor. It was his first year as
00:39:19
governor. Remember, he was elected in
00:39:20
2018. They predicted it would be done
00:39:26
this year. And it's basically kaput.
00:39:33
And they're like, well, how much money do we spend?
00:39:37
Well, now we need more money because we have to start from
00:39:39
scratch. We basically spend all this
00:39:40
money all this time, six years on this, and it's all for
00:39:45
naughty. So just to give you that quick
00:39:49
summary of where we're at. By 20-30.
00:39:53
The report doesn't give a cost estimate, but the Sacramento Bee
00:39:56
talked with the chief operating officer of one of the vendors
00:39:59
paid by the state to build the now scrapped regional design,
00:40:03
who said the change will cost tax.
00:40:07
Just to reiterate, 2019 is when they first proposed this.
00:40:12
They said it'd be done this year.
00:40:13
They spent $450 million on it, and now they're proposing it'll
00:40:17
be done in another five years. And it's going to cost hundreds
00:40:22
of millions of dollars to start all over, redo, and just
00:40:25
basically get rid of the infrastructure and build a whole
00:40:27
new system. I was actually going to ask
00:40:30
because when you pause before then I heard 2030 and I was
00:40:33
like, wait, what? So this is now double the time
00:40:41
and it's probably going to end up being triple.
00:40:43
It's probably going to not even be doubled the time.
00:40:45
They probably won't get it done in that time, but and it's going
00:40:48
to be triple, possibly quadruple what they originally estimated
00:40:51
it would cost taxpayers us, us little innocent peasants.
00:40:57
Yeah, OK. Yeah, OK.
00:41:02
This project going swimmingly well.
00:41:06
Here's even more money, estimating hundreds of 1
00:41:08
more. The Cal OES report says the
00:41:10
expenditures between 2019 and fall 2025 for Next Generation
00:41:15
911 in California were substantial but not lost.
00:41:18
The intent will be to build upon a large component of the
00:41:22
infrastructure that already exists.
00:41:25
I reached out to Cal OES and the Governor's office today for
00:41:28
comment. A Cal OES did not get back to me
00:41:30
by deadline and the Governor's office directed me to Cal OES.
00:41:34
Alex. Shocking.
00:41:36
Reached out to both of them and no comment.
00:41:39
I understand technology is difficult regardless of how much
00:41:45
we have. Like I feel like we all kind of
00:41:48
think at this point because of all the technology we have, that
00:41:50
we should be able to like literally just open our
00:41:52
computers and type in a few things and new technology just
00:41:56
works for us. Like I understand that like,
00:41:58
this is a huge thing. This is huge state.
00:42:00
This is 40 million people that they need to connect, that need
00:42:04
to be able to like, call 911 at the same time if needed, you
00:42:07
know, like, interesting and like, hopefully that never
00:42:10
happens. And so this isn't just something
00:42:12
where they can snap their fingers and get it done.
00:42:15
But I do feel like the technology exists that a few
00:42:20
smart brains together could make this happen pretty quickly.
00:42:27
Like I feel like a one to two year, this should have been
00:42:30
done. And now when they kind of
00:42:32
restart or build off of this, the technology is going to be,
00:42:36
it's already outdated. And that's why I feel like it's
00:42:39
not going to be completed in five years because they're going
00:42:41
to there's they're just going to be like, wait, no, this new
00:42:43
technology is better. This is scrap that, start this
00:42:47
and they're going to come across that often where they're going
00:42:51
to be like, oh, wait, this is better.
00:42:53
We got to include this upgrade because you know, it's an
00:42:56
important system. This is an emergency system.
00:42:58
And that's why I don't believe it's going to be done in five
00:43:02
years because they already couldn't do this one in five
00:43:05
years. And so I don't think that 2030
00:43:07
it's going to happen. Just like, you know, the he
00:43:10
didn't fix homelessness. He made it worse, no matter how
00:43:13
much money he threw at it. We aren't all in electric
00:43:17
vehicles like we were supposed to be, or wasn't it the initial
00:43:21
2030 or 2028 or something like that?
00:43:24
The majority of the state was supposed to be in that.
00:43:26
And they don't even have enough charters or the infrastructure
00:43:29
for the chargers And the, you know, the cars don't necessarily
00:43:33
exist or aren't affordable for us yet.
00:43:36
So I love, I love all these promises that Gavin Newsom has
00:43:41
made and cost us billions of taxpayer dollars and things have
00:43:47
not improved. Yeah, someone in the chat said
00:43:51
I've got a lot of Commodore 64 S if the state's looking to
00:43:54
upgrade, and I think they still have a few copies of Windows 95.
00:43:58
Yeah, to your point, they'll be out of date.
00:44:00
By the time floppy disk. Yeah, the the old floppy disk,
00:44:04
remember the old, old floppy disk like that was actually
00:44:06
floppy like the big one. Anybody in the chat remember
00:44:09
like the big ones that were like like this big and they had like,
00:44:12
I don't know, 3 bytes of memory on it.
00:44:15
And now our phones are like supercomputers, but you'd
00:44:17
actually like flop them around and then you got like the
00:44:20
smaller, more compact ones. They're still called floppy
00:44:23
disks or they're called hard disks.
00:44:24
I remember after that someone said, I bet Elon could get it
00:44:28
done. Elon probably could get it done.
00:44:30
He. Probably couldn't get it done.
00:44:31
He'll Elon and then and then extreme liberals will stop using
00:44:37
911. But shout out to the chat.
00:44:40
Hi everybody. I see that it's going quite
00:44:43
active. So hi, thank you for being here.
00:44:47
So this is a op-ed from Cal Matters, Newsom's 911 debacles,
00:44:51
California's latest fail tech adoption, and we're going to get
00:44:55
to Gavin Newsom and his pie in the pie in the sky ideas.
00:44:59
And then there's something I learned about Gavin Newsom.
00:45:04
This was after he got elected. His first stop was in San
00:45:07
Francisco, he said. Quote.
00:45:08
During my first week in office, I proposed making crucial
00:45:10
updates to modernize our antiquated 911 system, Newsom
00:45:14
said during a media event. The idea that it's 2019 and we
00:45:17
are using analog systems designed decades ago is
00:45:20
astounding, and we need to make investments to make sure the
00:45:22
technology aligns with the devices people are using their
00:45:25
daily lives. California's antiquated analog
00:45:28
microwave network must be upgraded to a digital network to
00:45:33
maintain safety operations that can integrate into the 21st
00:45:37
century technology everyone is using, Newsom added.
00:45:41
And then the article goes on to say this is really what
00:45:45
happened. So this isn't Gavin Newsom
00:45:47
talking anymore, says Quote. California settled on a design
00:45:49
that no other state had implemented, A regionalized
00:45:53
approach that divided the massive state into four sectors.
00:45:57
Between 2019 and 2025, California paid 4 technology
00:46:02
companies over $450 million to build out its Next Generation
00:46:05
911 system, a more advanced emergency communication tool
00:46:09
that would provide dispatchers with enhanced location services
00:46:11
and other ways for the public to communicate with the first
00:46:13
responder operators. But when the time came to turn
00:46:17
that system on, it didn't work. That's fascinating to me that it
00:46:24
is. They did all this work for six
00:46:27
years, and they worked on this for six years and spent almost a
00:46:30
half a billion dollars, and that when they went to turn the
00:46:33
system on, it just didn't work. Not that they didn't do any beta
00:46:38
testing, not that they tried it out, not that they tried to
00:46:41
figure out small samples of whether it would work.
00:46:44
They just went to turn it on and it didn't work.
00:46:47
The state now proposes a new design similar to what other
00:46:50
states have adopted. Cal OES will seek proposals next
00:46:53
year for a substitute additional cost of hundreds of millions of
00:46:56
dollars. This is not the first time they
00:47:00
failed to deliver on promises. This one is the poster Child
00:47:06
estate's most ambitious technology project, called the
00:47:08
Financial Information System for California, or fiscal for short.
00:47:13
Launched in 2005 as a one stop application for managing state
00:47:16
finances. It consumed more than a billion
00:47:18
dollars, is many years overdue, is not likely to be completed
00:47:21
until sometime in the next decade, if ever.
00:47:24
The common denominator demonstrated a new in the 911
00:47:26
project is the effort to create something new rather than
00:47:29
relying on systems with proven functionality, which is the
00:47:31
bureaucratic equivalent of reinventing the wheel.
00:47:36
So this is not the first time that California has fallen on
00:47:39
its face when it comes to implementing any sort of new
00:47:42
technology. Hold on, Let's see.
00:47:46
We see. We got Camille back now looking
00:47:50
at the chat. Hey, welcome back, Camille.
00:47:56
Speaking of technology, I need upgrades apparently.
00:47:58
Apparently, if only you knew someone who was good with
00:48:01
computers. Let's see, I was talking about
00:48:05
the technology failures. I don't know if you heard the
00:48:08
part where I said they went to go and turn it on and it just
00:48:12
didn't work. So they spent $450 million and
00:48:14
they weren't to turn on. It just didn't work.
00:48:18
So it's like we should have inserted a clip of that scene
00:48:21
And what's, what's that? Classic Christmas movie Any?
00:48:26
Oh, that would bring a Chevy Chase when he goes, like, he
00:48:29
tries to put it together and it doesn't work.
00:48:32
And yeah, that's exactly. That's Gavin Newsom right now.
00:48:34
It's like, it's like it doesn't work.
00:48:38
Yeah. So this was something else that
00:48:40
I didn't know about Gavin Newsom.
00:48:42
Did you know he had all these, like, pie in the sky ideas?
00:48:46
And actually there was something on last week's episode that we
00:48:49
discussed. I didn't pick up on it, but it
00:48:52
came up again in this article. Gavin Newsom is a Gavin Newsom
00:49:00
is an author, and before he was governor he wrote a book, I.
00:49:05
Recently learned that. It was called Citizenville.
00:49:10
It's on Amazon. You can go check it out.
00:49:12
It's it's on there. I didn't actually see how many
00:49:14
stars it has or what people said about it, but I did find a
00:49:18
review of it. And this was somebody who just
00:49:22
kind of gave me a rundown because I'm not going to read
00:49:24
this whole book that Gavin Newsom wrote.
00:49:27
Basically to give you a summation of what Gavin Newsom
00:49:30
was talking about in this book is he's saying that California
00:49:35
should be this new technologically advanced
00:49:39
government, that we shouldn't have this overly bureaucratic
00:49:43
old system, that because of technology, politicians should
00:49:48
be accountable. They should be accountable in
00:49:49
this new form of techno democracy where we don't need
00:49:55
all these bureaucratic, old, antiquated systems.
00:50:00
And that was what his book is about.
00:50:02
So remember when we talked about last week, Eric Swalwell said he
00:50:05
wanted to modernize the state. And then Alex Michaelson said,
00:50:09
oh, it's kind of like Gavin Newsom wrote this book
00:50:11
Citizenville. And Eric Swalwell was like,
00:50:12
yeah, I read it, but I want people to vote by phone.
00:50:16
This is what they were talking about.
00:50:18
And I read this review, so I only read a couple snippets from
00:50:23
this review so you get an idea of what he was talking about.
00:50:27
Newsom does provide some ideas of his own, most notably the
00:50:30
titular Citizenville in which citizens can collect points by
00:50:34
doing real life good in their communities.
00:50:39
Which again, I haven't read the book, but to people in the chat,
00:50:44
I imagine you're smart enough to figure out.
00:50:46
That sounds a lot like social credit scores of like you're
00:50:50
going to be tracked at how well you do in your communities by
00:50:53
technology. Interesting.
00:50:56
He models it on FarmVille. I don't even know if does
00:51:00
FarmVille still exist. Remember that online game that
00:51:03
people were playing? I never played it.
00:51:05
I have no idea but I'm thinking did he play FarmVille?
00:51:09
Maybe he played FarmVille. He didn't do much as Lieutenant
00:51:11
governor. In fact, he was notoriously like
00:51:14
out of work. Like they couldn't find where
00:51:16
Gavin Newsom was during his time as Lieutenant governor.
00:51:18
So maybe he was playing a lot of FarmVille.
00:51:21
Well, he treats the concept as a quote, shorthand for how
00:51:23
government needs to adapt to this new technological age.
00:51:26
He keeps returning to it throughout the book quote.
00:51:29
It's the perfect mash up of gaming and real civic engagement
00:51:33
with the bonus of not only virtual rewards, but real
00:51:35
physical rewards. Again, that sounds like social
00:51:40
crediting. Like if you do good then the
00:51:43
technology overlords will reward you.
00:51:46
At moments like that, he almost needs to channel Thomas
00:51:48
Friedman, other mass market intellectuals, with their
00:51:50
sweeping pronouncements of what will fix the world.
00:51:53
In the end, he argues, technology will transform how
00:51:56
people interact with their government.
00:51:58
No longer will the political elites pass down laws and only
00:52:02
care about the constituents concern.
00:52:03
As Election Day approaches, social networks and other
00:52:06
websites are turning that interaction into a two way
00:52:08
street with those constituents offering constant feedback on
00:52:12
their representatives performance.
00:52:14
Which to that I say bullshit because nothing has changed.
00:52:19
We still have political elites like Gavin Newsom who hand down
00:52:23
edicts and executive orders. I mean, COVID is a great example
00:52:30
and are not accountable to the people.
00:52:33
And yeah, Gavin Newsom's on X and all these social media
00:52:36
platforms crowing about one thing or another or trying to
00:52:40
mock Trump. Is he listening to any of the
00:52:43
comments? Is he listening to any of the
00:52:44
replies? Is he listening to any of that
00:52:46
stuff? I doubt it.
00:52:48
It's probably his team who's on there.
00:52:49
He's behind a bunch of walls of a team member who is filtering
00:52:56
this to him, if they even filter it to him at all.
00:52:59
So no, I don't think his idea that technology has made
00:53:03
politicians more accountable or more accessible has come to
00:53:08
fruition. In fact, he's become basically
00:53:10
what he's railing against in Citizenville.
00:53:12
He's become the political elite who doesn't listen to the
00:53:14
constituents, doesn't like what their ideas are, wants to do
00:53:18
exactly what he wants to do. So Citizenville, I don't suggest
00:53:24
it. You could go read it.
00:53:25
Maybe people want to go read it and see what a load of BS it is.
00:53:30
All more power to you. Tell us about it.
00:53:33
You can e-mail me and say like, hey, I read that book and I'll
00:53:36
be like, I'm sorry you read Gavin Newsom Citizenville book.
00:53:39
Thank you. He's Speaking of him.
00:53:42
He actually left the state again today, so.
00:53:45
I saw that, yeah, he he's in on his way to Washington, DC,
00:53:48
right? Yes, DC and Arizona.
00:53:57
OK, for what purpose is he on his way?
00:54:02
I think he was asking for more wildfire relief or something
00:54:04
like that. Oh yes, I think that was the
00:54:06
purpose of DCI. Don't know what Arizona's for?
00:54:11
Just to just because, you know, not we've said it before on this
00:54:15
show, like Gavin pretends like he has all this time to leave.
00:54:19
He went to Brazil. Now he's in DC and in Arizona.
00:54:22
He's all, he's all these different places he travels as
00:54:26
if like he's solved everything, like California is perfect, like
00:54:29
everything's good. I, I, I'm done.
00:54:32
I'm done with my assignment early so I can go travel to all
00:54:35
these places as governor, when in reality he should be here
00:54:40
trying to fix things. So, Gavin Newsom, Citizenville,
00:54:46
go check. Well, there was just that
00:54:47
disgusting shooting and he's like, oh, that's a bummer.
00:54:51
Anyway, see ya. Yeah.
00:54:53
Here's a half hearted post on X Good luck everybody.
00:54:58
I'm not going to roll out anything or maybe send like the
00:55:00
California National Guard or CHP or something like that to kind
00:55:03
of maybe help out in Stockton a little bit more.
00:55:06
No, I'm just, I'm out of here. I'm going to go to Washington,
00:55:09
probably start measuring the drapes for the White House that
00:55:12
I think I'm going to win in a couple years.
00:55:14
So that's basically the situation in California.
00:55:19
Gavin Newsom promised all this stuff.
00:55:21
Nothing came to fruition. Hundreds of millions of dollars,
00:55:25
if not billions of dollars in taxpayer money is going to be
00:55:28
wasted. And yeah, nothing ever gets
00:55:31
better. So any other comments on Gavin
00:55:34
Newsom's move to modernize the state?
00:55:36
Do you think Eric Swalwell do any better if he ever becomes
00:55:39
governor? God forbid Eric Swalwell
00:55:40
because. I don't even want to think about
00:55:43
him becoming governor, so I'm not not to speak that into
00:55:46
existence. Don't even put it out in the
00:55:48
universe. No, Yeah, just somebody said
00:55:51
Citizenville equals China. I was like, yeah, it sounds like
00:55:54
that's it. Kind of sounds like that's what
00:55:56
he's advocating. He's advocating China.
00:55:58
He basically wants us to be on a social credit score where it's
00:56:02
like FarmVille, everybody. It's like a fun little game.
00:56:04
Like you just do good in real life and you get rewarded with
00:56:08
all these things as opposed to just being a charitable good
00:56:11
person. Reward happens in FarmVille.
00:56:14
It's it's FarmVille in Stockton because I have no idea what
00:56:16
happens in FarmVille. Farmville's not in Stockton, no,
00:56:21
I don't know if FarmVille gets snow, which Stockton does not
00:56:24
get snow. So Camille knows literally
00:56:28
nothing about Stockton. So maybe maybe we can raise
00:56:34
funds and like send Camille to Stockton to go check it out so
00:56:36
she can learn more about Stockton first hand.
00:56:38
We'll, we'll start a GoFundMe the the send Camille to
00:56:41
Stockton. What is?
00:56:45
This. It'll be fun.
00:56:48
It's, you know, short flight to Sacramento and then a short,
00:56:52
I'll take hour drive. I was going to say we'll just
00:56:55
take the bullet train there. No, can't do that.
00:56:58
It's not ready yet. OK.
00:57:02
All right, Speaking of Washington DC, you like that
00:57:06
segue? Last story we're going to cover
00:57:09
tonight because we're coming up on the hour right now.
00:57:11
And thank you everyone for tuning in and the chat has been
00:57:14
awesome tonight. So great seeing everybody.
00:57:17
I'm trying to like bounce back and forth between what you guys
00:57:20
and someone said you'll regret it.
00:57:21
Don't go. I went there a couple of years
00:57:24
ago to visit again and I was like, man, I, I must look back
00:57:29
on Stockton with rose colored glasses because it was college
00:57:31
and everything. I was driving down and I was
00:57:34
like, I was driving down like Pacific Ave.
00:57:36
I'm like, oof, Stockton always this bad.
00:57:39
Or did it get worse since I've been here?
00:57:41
But anyway, San Diego is a little bit nicer than Stockton.
00:57:44
Sorry, and I don't think a lot of people will disagree with me
00:57:48
on that. So anyway, back to what I was
00:57:50
talking about with Washington, DC.
00:57:54
This will be our last story of the night.
00:57:57
In State College tuition for California's undocumented
00:57:59
students is a legal Trump suit alleges so the Trump Department
00:58:03
of Justice has sued California over in state tuition benefits
00:58:09
for undocumented students. The suit, which names Governor
00:58:12
Gavin Newsom, Rob Bonta, so basically all the heads of the
00:58:16
UC, the Cal State and California community colleges, also seeks
00:58:21
to end provisions the California DREAM Act that allow students
00:58:23
who lack documentation to apply for state funded financial aid.
00:58:26
Quote California is illegally discriminating against American
00:58:29
students and families by offering exclusive tuition
00:58:31
benefits for non citizens, Pam Bondi said, saying the state has
00:58:37
a flagrant disregard for federal law.
00:58:40
The tuition suit targets Assembly Bill 540, which we'll
00:58:44
talk about in a second, which passed with bipartisan support
00:58:47
in 2001, offers in state tuition rates to undocumented students
00:58:51
who completed high school in California.
00:58:52
The law also offers in state tuition to U.S. citizens who
00:58:55
graduated from California schools but moved out of the
00:58:57
state before enrolling in college.
00:58:59
Between 2004 thousand students attending the University of
00:59:01
California, with its total enrollment of 296 are
00:59:05
estimated to be undocumented. Across California State
00:59:08
University campuses are about 9500 immigrants without
00:59:12
documentation and rolled out of 461 students.
00:59:16
The state's biggest undocumented group, estimated to be 70
00:59:19
our Community College students. The Trump administration's
00:59:22
challenged The California tuition statute focuses on a
00:59:25
1996 federal law that says people in the US without legal
00:59:28
permission should, quote, not be eligible on the basis of
00:59:31
residents within a state for any post secondary education benefit
00:59:35
unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible
00:59:39
for such a benefit without without regard to whether the
00:59:41
citizen or national is such a resident.
00:59:45
Let me see if I can pull this up.
00:59:47
Did I get the right? Did I find the right here?
00:59:52
It is AB 5:40. So this was 2001, signed by Gray
00:59:58
Davis while he was still in office before he was kicked out
01:00:01
and we got the governator. Or at least you guys got the
01:00:04
governor. I wasn't living here at that
01:00:05
time. This bill would require that I
01:00:10
was not in Stockton in 2001. No, I was in high school in
01:00:14
2001. This hill this bill would
01:00:16
require that a person other than a non immigrant alien as defined
01:00:19
who has attended high school in California for three or more
01:00:22
years was graduated from California high School or
01:00:24
attained the equivalent thereof was registered at or attends an
01:00:27
accredited institution of higher education California not earlier
01:00:31
than the fall semester 1/4 of the 2001 2002 academic year and
01:00:35
who if he or she is an alien without lawful immigration
01:00:38
status has fill filed an affidavit as specified to be
01:00:41
exempted from paying non resident tuition at the
01:00:44
California community colleges in the California State University.
01:00:47
Basically the bill allows if you've been living here and you
01:00:51
graduated from high school here in California then you can apply
01:00:57
for in state tuition which that is what the Trump administration
01:01:01
is suing California over. Any thoughts on this story while
01:01:07
I check the comments because they are going wild right now.
01:01:11
I there's, you know, good arguments for why students that
01:01:15
have been living here. And like one of the arguments
01:01:18
was, you know, they've been living here, they're going to a
01:01:20
school here and they're likely going to stick around.
01:01:22
And so why not help them with tuition as they're probably
01:01:25
likely going to be residents? Oh, California, that could be
01:01:30
our next, you know, lawyers, politicians, doctors, etcetera,
01:01:33
etcetera. And I understand that argument.
01:01:39
I do disagree with how much funding tax dollars goes to
01:01:43
illegal immigrants. So there's that.
01:01:48
Nope, looks like we lost her again for a second.
01:01:51
All right, some of your comments, Let's see.
01:01:55
I'm assuming it says except for the campus of it says Europe.
01:01:57
I'm assuming Uop Stockton really has not a whole lot to see
01:02:01
except maybe a trip out to Garlic Brothers.
01:02:04
I think I went to Garlic Brothers while I was in college.
01:02:06
Somebody else said we have a great neighborhood decorated for
01:02:09
Christmas, a Stockton positive. I remember Northern Stockton was
01:02:13
sort of the nice area of where Stockton, like there was
01:02:18
northern and southern. Anyway, Camille's back.
01:02:20
You can finish your thought. I was just talking about the
01:02:22
chair. I was talking to myself and it
01:02:24
wasn't until I used my hands and on the video it didn't go.
01:02:27
Anyway. I was just saying I understand
01:02:30
both sides of the argument of this issue, but I don't
01:02:35
understand why this is like it's so important to Trump because I
01:02:38
do feel like there's probably so many more pending issues that
01:02:41
California could be sued over and go after.
01:02:44
But but at the same time, we are just bleeding tax dollars to
01:02:48
illegal inference and U.S. citizens as taxpayers are, are
01:02:53
definitely hurting for it. Yeah, yeah.
01:02:58
I guess if in an optic sense, if you're looking at this
01:03:00
politically, does it endear you or not?
01:03:05
Does it endear him to his base? Yes.
01:03:09
Does it endear him to the independents and the swing
01:03:11
voters? Probably not.
01:03:13
But then again, this is California.
01:03:15
So you're not really swinging anybody here in California,
01:03:17
which may it may hurt in the gubernatorial race, but I don't
01:03:20
think Trump's worried about the gubernatorial race.
01:03:22
And that's going to be a big issue coming up next year, which
01:03:26
I'm sure the two Republican candidates are going to have to
01:03:29
talk about is any sort of allegiance or support of
01:03:33
President Trump. And they're going to try and get
01:03:35
them on that. I mean, we saw what happened
01:03:36
with Prop 50. They just made Prop 50 all about
01:03:38
Trump. So, yeah, they're going to make
01:03:41
any Republican candidate about Trump.
01:03:43
Somebody asked, is Gray Davis still alive?
01:03:47
I think, I think so. I think I've seen him on like
01:03:49
CNN and stuff like he's a political commentator now.
01:03:53
Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I think we would have heard.
01:03:56
Pete Wilson still alive too. Fun fact, he recorded a video, I
01:04:01
was at the Lincoln Club dinner a couple weeks ago and he recorded
01:04:05
a video for somebody else, like Pete Wilson still alive.
01:04:07
Wow. OK.
01:04:08
I didn't know Pete Wilson was still alive.
01:04:11
So is this another fight that I feel like the I look at it from
01:04:16
a legal perspective of like, so there's this conflicting federal
01:04:20
law and there's something that California is doing.
01:04:22
And the question is, does the federal law preempt what's going
01:04:25
on in California? I feel like a lot of times, I
01:04:28
don't know if they're smart enough to be doing this, but a
01:04:32
lot of times with the Trump administration, both Trump 1.0
01:04:35
and 2.0, they throw a lot of stuff against the wall, like
01:04:40
lawsuits and stuff. And they assume it's going to
01:04:43
get up through the court system and eventually get to the
01:04:45
Supreme Court. And it's basically like, we we
01:04:48
think there's a novel theory here or we think this should be
01:04:51
overturned. So we're just going to throw a
01:04:54
bunch of lawsuits out there and maybe 1, we'll get up to the
01:04:58
Supreme Court. Kind of reminds me of the whole
01:05:00
birthright citizenship issue, which to me, I'm as a lawyer, I
01:05:05
still don't understand the argument for or against
01:05:07
birthright citizenship. I I really want to look into it
01:05:10
and learn more about it. But that's one of those issues
01:05:13
that like, yeah, we've, we've never really decided that and
01:05:16
like the Supreme Court's never really thought about that.
01:05:19
So I wonder if these are sort of those issues that Trump just and
01:05:24
his DOJ just throws against the wall and they're like, we think
01:05:27
there's an argument and maybe if it gets to the Supreme Court,
01:05:30
it'll get overturned. It's worth a shot.
01:05:33
And what's the worst that can happen is that we lose and then
01:05:36
we just move on. But I don't know.
01:05:39
That's maybe I'm giving the DOJ at Trump administration too much
01:05:43
credit and Pam Bondi way too much credit.
01:05:44
But who knows? That's what I think is happening
01:05:48
is they're just trying everything and they're like,
01:05:49
let's just sue and see what happens.
01:05:54
So, yeah, yeah. Maybe with all the lawsuits
01:05:57
California has against them, they're just like, well, we'll
01:05:59
just start filing some here and there.
01:06:01
So that's a good one. Yeah, it seems to be like law
01:06:05
fair on both ends, which just remind you on both federal and
01:06:11
state, like it's the taxpayers, we're all just paying for these
01:06:15
legal fees. So just keep that in mind, like
01:06:16
all these lawsuits are flying back and forth.
01:06:19
Remember Trump when he got elected, the first thing they
01:06:23
did was put $50 million aside just to fight Trump.
01:06:28
And remember, they said they couldn't fund Prop 36 because
01:06:31
there was absolutely no money. But they found $50 million for
01:06:35
suing Trump. Again, they also found $300
01:06:38
million for this dumb special election for Prop 50.
01:06:42
So, you know, I know you're shocked that politicians lie to
01:06:45
you because they won't don't want to do things.
01:06:47
So just keep that in mind. It's like, it's like they're
01:06:52
fighting in court and they don't have to worry about the legal
01:06:54
fees. It's like we all just have to
01:06:56
end up paying. Like we get the bill at the end
01:06:57
of the day, we have to pay for all this stuff.
01:07:01
You know, when I, my kids were younger, I think a lot of
01:07:04
parents have this rule like, OK, you dumped out that box of toys
01:07:08
and you want to move on to the next box of toys, you need to
01:07:12
clean up the first box. I feel like in like politics,
01:07:15
the government shouldn't be allowed to have all these new
01:07:18
funded programs while they're still trying to fix like the the
01:07:22
ones they allegedly, you know, are fixing or funding like this.
01:07:27
The first one we talked about with 911, it's like you didn't
01:07:30
even complete that one. You don't get to propose new
01:07:32
projects. Go work on that fix
01:07:34
homelessness. Then maybe we'll talk about a
01:07:37
bullet train. But like prove yourself and and
01:07:40
they're not proving themselves. That is like the biggest issue
01:07:42
we have is these politicians, they're always just like, well,
01:07:45
elect me again so I can keep working on this.
01:07:47
I'm like, no, no, you had your your three month trial and you
01:07:51
suck like. Yeah, kind of end on a lighter
01:07:56
note because everyone's talking about it in the chat.
01:07:59
Here's one good part of Stockton Garlic Brothers.
01:08:03
We're not sponsored by Garlic Brothers, but that pizza sure
01:08:06
looks pretty good. Yeah.
01:08:09
Did I ever go to Garlic? I feel like I remember going to
01:08:11
Garlic Brothers. But anyway, here's a Garlic.
01:08:14
I think he's right on the. This is the port.
01:08:17
So Camille, it's part of a body of water and there's a port and
01:08:22
that's Stockton. They, they have a lot of ships
01:08:25
that come in. That's why they're called the
01:08:27
port of Stockton. In fact, actually their AAA team
01:08:32
or the AA team is called, I think they're called the
01:08:34
Stockton ports. Correct me if I'm wrong in the
01:08:37
chat, but I'm pretty sure it's called the Stockton ports.
01:08:40
That oh. You don't even know Stockton
01:08:41
Boyd. I'm pretty sure it's the
01:08:43
Stockton ports that's good. People in the Chat 100.
01:08:48
Percent. People in the chat let me know,
01:08:50
is it the Stockton ports before we sign off?
01:08:53
I'm pretty sure the AA team down on the water is called the
01:08:56
Stockton Ports. They're the AA team for the
01:09:00
athletics. I'm going to look this up.
01:09:04
You sound so sure of yourself and all your Stockton
01:09:06
information. I look, I know a lot more about
01:09:08
Stockton than you. You thought Stockton got snow.
01:09:11
You thought Stockton was? I said I don't know if it's OK.
01:09:16
We're just kidding. We don't need to.
01:09:19
People are. We're going to lose our base.
01:09:22
People are like this is getting silly now.
01:09:24
Yeah, they're like, this is not what we're here for.
01:09:26
Sorry. It's.
01:09:27
Not what we're here now. Boom.
01:09:30
I was right. It is the Stockton ports, yes,
01:09:36
I'm going to show you see, it is the, it is the Stockton ports,
01:09:40
the official site of the Stockton ports, the AA team in
01:09:42
Stockton. Anyway, much love to Stockton.
01:09:46
I, I really am hoping that on a serious note that they figure
01:09:51
out what's going on with crime and so they don't have tragedies
01:09:55
like they did this past week. So Modesto has the nuts, right?
01:10:00
Modesto has the Nuts, Garlic Brothers, Gilroy, Central
01:10:04
Valley, all stuff that Camille has no idea about because it's
01:10:06
too far north of Orange County. So it's too far north on the
01:10:10
five. Anyway, enough bashing on
01:10:14
Camille for not knowing anything above Los Angeles County.
01:10:18
It is the Ports, thank you, see, and the Modesto Nuts.
01:10:22
See, there's another team. They were called the Modesto
01:10:24
Nuts. You're learning so much about
01:10:25
Central Valley right now. That's not the point of
01:10:28
tonight's show. Anyway, we've gone way over.
01:10:30
We're getting silly. Any other final thoughts before
01:10:34
we sign off for tonight, either about Stockton and the Garlic
01:10:37
Brothers and the ports or whatever or anything else we
01:10:39
talked about? No, no final thoughts tonight.
01:10:47
I, I'm going to just go learn about Stockton, you know, and
01:10:49
every other city in California. Yeah, I really think we should
01:10:54
start a GoFundMe. We're going to start a GoFundMe
01:10:57
with people who are tuning in and we're going to send Camille
01:10:59
up to Stockton. She dropped off again.
01:11:02
Anyway, with that, we have gone on for oh, she's back.
01:11:08
I was just saying we're gonna, we're gonna get that GoFundMe
01:11:11
started to send you up to Stockton.
01:11:12
It'll be a nice time. Yeah, I think that's a it's a
01:11:15
good idea. Yeah, you can go to Garlic
01:11:17
others. We'll we'll make a reservation
01:11:19
for you. Educate myself.
01:11:21
Thank you, I appreciate it. No problem.
01:11:24
All right. With that said, we've gone on
01:11:26
way too long. We got a little silly at the end
01:11:27
there, but we can be silly every once in a while.
01:11:30
So thank you everyone for tuning in live, Everybody in the chat.
01:11:33
Thank you so much. It makes these live so much fun
01:11:36
is when you guys are in the chat and giving us these answers and
01:11:40
giving us this commentary like I didn't know anything about
01:11:42
Patrick Purdy and you guys taught me about Patrick Purdy
01:11:45
tonight. So all this stuff.
01:11:47
Thank you and. Look at that.
01:11:49
Oh, look at that. It just popped on the website.
01:11:51
They were the ports are playing the Pacific tigers, my alma
01:11:54
mater. That's fun anyway I got I got to
01:11:57
sign off. I got to wrap this up all right.
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