On this episode Cynthia and I break down two more Propositions that you will be voting on in November. The first is Prop 30 which taxes individuals and families making over $2 million to pay for electric cars infrastructure, and the second is Proposition 1 which would add an amendment to the California Constitution which would allow for enfettered abortions in the state.
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podcast. What's going on in the way?
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Thanks for tuning in to another episode of the California
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underground tonight. We're doing another proposition
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breakdown because we are several weeks away.
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Away from election day. Cynthia, how many exact days are
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we away? I know you probably have a
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countdown going. I do it is exactly 25 days.
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Exactly. 25 days. And it's going to come up really
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fast. So like we did a couple weeks
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ago. We're going to do another
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proposition breakdown, we're going to do two propositions
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tonight, we're going to do prop 30, and we're going to do prop
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one because they're both. I would say, prop one is
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definitely more controversial. Prop, 30, but prop, 30 is
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typical California, raising your taxes, for all the green stuff.
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And, as always, I am referring to my handy dandy general
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election book, which at this point is now starting to get
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tattered, and dirty, and full of marks and highlights and all
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that stuff, which I suggest any political nerds out there also
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do as well, is take, take the time, look at your general
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election book and read about all this stuff.
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Read the arguments for Read the arguments against and all that.
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And yeah. So, first off Cynthia, how are
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you doing tonight? Doing great.
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I like, we're speaking a little bit before we went live.
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Very hectic day because we are 25 days out.
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So people that you know, work in politics, this is like, you
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know, our moment to shine. It's the end, the end, almost
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the end of an era. So, very productive day.
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That's for sure. How are you doing?
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Oh, you know, just living the dream.
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Just You can get going here in California.
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So let's start off, I would think we would start off with
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prop 30, and then we'll go into prop one because I think prop
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one is definitely more controversial, and I think
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there's a lot more to say about prop one.
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Not that there's not much to say about prop 30.
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There's a lot to say about prop 30, but let's start with prop 30
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and I'll read you from some of the this general election
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booklet. The tile is a provides funding
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for programs to reduce air pollution prevent wildfires.
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Fires by increasing tax on personal income.
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Over two million summary increases tax on personal income
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over 2 million by 1.75 percent, for individuals and married
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couples. So if you're a married couple
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and you make over two million dollars, that also counts and
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allocates new tax revenues as follow 45% for rebates and other
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incentives for zero emission vehicle purchases and 35% for
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charging stations for zero emission vehicles with at least
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half of this funded direct it to Income households and
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communities and 20% for Wildfire prevention, suppression
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programs, with priority, given to hiring and training
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firefighters and a quick summary of the fiscal impact is
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increased state tax revenue ranging from 3.5 billion to 5
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billion dollars annually with the new funding used to support
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zero-emission vehicle programs. All right, let's go in a little
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bit more of the analysis, the state collects a tax on personal
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income earned Within The state, they collect a lot of that.
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That is something California is very good at is collecting a lot
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of tax on their personal income last year, the personal income
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tax raised over 130 billion dollars in Revenue.
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That number alone is pretty astounding, they raised a
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hundred, thirty billion dollars, mostly Revenue helps pay for
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Education, prisons Healthcare, drag, queen story hours, gender
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reassignment surgeries, sorry, the last two don't really count
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but you know, they do pay for that stuff.
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And then they go on to talk about the state has programs
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that promote zero-emission vehicles and they abbreviate it
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Zev, which For the rest of this thing.
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I just keep seeing the words f. So examples of saves include
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electric cars and hydrogen fuel cell cars, the state requires
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ride-sharing companies, such as Uber and Lyft to use increasing
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number of zeros for their services.
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Now, I just can't get seb's out of my mind.
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Now, this is where it gets really interesting when it comes
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to taxes and I'll just ask you right off the bat, Cynthia, when
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California implements a tax? Do you think that tax ever goes
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away? Absolutely positively.
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No, well, you would be wrong because according to prop, 30.
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There is a sunset clause. On this tax.
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So far, really interesting. Beginning, January, I know
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you're probably shocked but I could understand your
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apprehension. Beginning January 20 23 prop 3
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requires taxpayers blah, blah, blah.
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We don't know that this additional tax would end by
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January of 2043, so it would automatically go away in 20
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years so it's not forever. They just want to do it to get
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us off the ground with our zeb's and and once everyone is driving
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around in their new shiny zeb's, and we can charge ourselves
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They're going to drop it. There's also an incentive, the
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tax could. And several years earlier if
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California is able to drop its Statewide greenhouse gas
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emissions below certain levels before then so for all good
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little boys and girls and we all run out and get zeb's as fast as
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possible that tax could and faster than we anticipate.
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So like I said, do you think this tax would ever go away or
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do you think they would keep extending it?
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Like, we should believe anything that California state government
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actually does. It'd be like saying well we're
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only going to spend this many billions on the high-speed rail
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and I promise we're going to get it done in the next 10 years.
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That's what it sounds like to me.
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So let's see the breakdown of the revenue for where all this
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money is going to go. All these billions of dollars.
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Payments to help buy new zeb's. Most of his money would be used
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to help households businesses, and governments, pay for part of
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the cost of new passengers apps, such as cars, Vans and pickup
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trucks, and the money would be used to install and operate Zev
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charging and fueling stations. I place the such as apartment
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building single-family homes and public locations.
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For each category above, at least half of the money must be
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spent on projects that benefit people who live in or near
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heavily polluted and, or Income communities.
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Because the first thing that I always think of, if I am driving
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through a low-income Community is Good, Golly, they have a lot
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of Tesla's and Chevy leaves or bolts or whatever is the Chevy
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version of it. That seems odd because I don't
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think a lot of people could afford in low-income communities
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fancy zaps. Would you agree with that?
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I would agree with that. So I don't know where that She
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is going to go or what it's going to be spent on in those
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neighborhoods but that's where half the money is going to go is
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it's going to go to low-income neighborhoods.
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So there's more zeb's in those neighborhoods.
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Now this was interesting because there is the whole mandate about
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we have to get rid of gas-powered cars.
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Everyone knows about that. They break down what happens if
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the state approves this mandate and what if it does not approve?
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The Mandate says if the state approves the Zev mandate then
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the additional funding from the proposition to help buy new.
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Zeb's would not have much effect on the total number of zebb's
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driven in California. Let me say that again.
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If it's state approves, the Mandate that you don't have to
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or that we have to get rid of gas-powered cars, the
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proposition to help by news, apps would not have much effect
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on the total number of zeros driven California.
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This is because the Zev mandate would already require a
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significant increase in the number of zeb's tails even
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without the additional spending. So, if there is a mandate and
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we're all required to buy electric cars in 10 years,
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they're saying this won't really have any effect.
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Which makes me wonder, then what's the point of having this
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proposition? If the mandates already going to
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go through and we're all going to be forced to be buying
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electric cars? Then what's the point of this
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specific proposition? Instead, if the state does
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approve, the Zev mandate, then the funding from the proposition
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to help by news, ABS would increase the number of zevs and
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decrease the number of gasoline or diesel powered vehicles,
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driven in California as a result, the amount of gasoline
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would used would be less. Yes.
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If there are more electric cars, there would be less gasoline,
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that is a logical statement. This is a good one, decrease
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state revenue for other activities, some taxpayers
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probably would take steps to reduce the amount of income
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taxes, they owe? Correct.
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Yes. When you raise taxes on people
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usually what those people do who are worth or make over two
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million dollars a year, they're usually smart enough to go to
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their financial planner and go what are some tools and things
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that I can do to not pay as much in taxes and usually financial
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planners. And tax attorneys are very good
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at saying, there's a whole bunch of things you can do to stop
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paying taxes. This would reduce existing state
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revenues used to pay for He's not funded by Proposition 32
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degree to which would happen and how much the revenue State might
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lose as a result is unknown. Are you ready for arguments?
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Let's do it. All right, argument in favor of
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prop, 30 Fire season, is now year-round, the air quality in
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California, is the worst in the country.
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Now, I thought we got much better.
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If I remember, did it La used to have, like, enormous amounts of
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smog over it. Like, all that yellow Smog and
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everything and now it's gotten a lot better.
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I don't I don't go to l.a. pretty much at all, but hasn't
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the air quality gotten a little bit better in California and
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it's still the worst in the country for all the things that
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we do. All the green policies we have,
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this is still the worst air quality in the entire country.
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Existing programs are not enough to address this growing threat
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to California's economy, environment and public health.
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We must act urgently to reduce the top two sources of air
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pollution greenhouse gases wildfires and vehicles.
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They say only the wealthiest point two percent will be
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impacted. Small business revenue is not
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taxed. Gasps, it's too expensive,
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consumers, want options, but maybe can't afford electric
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vehicle prop, 30 provides direct rebates and financial assistance
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for consumers. And it says, it's going to
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expand infrastructure, prop, 30 develops, the network of
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affordable charging stations throughout the state that we
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need creating thousands of good-paying green jobs,
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thousands because when the government creates a job, it's
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always good. Paying the measure will upgrade
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the electric grid to ensure reliability as we transition to
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more electric vehicles. Now, we read the through this
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whole thing. I don't see anything talking
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about the electrical grid. And that's something that does
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concern me, is that really not a lot of.
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This is how they're going to actually pump electricity into
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any of these communities, any of these homes.
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To actually power up these cars. So they're going to take
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billions and billions of billions of dollars.
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Give that money back to people so you can go out and buy is EV
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and then there's going to be charging stations that
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everyone's going to have to rush to to charge.
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But where does the electricity come from?
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Let's see. Do argument against prop 30.
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Californians already pay, the highest state income taxes and
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highest gas tax has one of the highest sales tax and grapple
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daily. With among the highest cost of
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living in the nation. Crop three will be the largest
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tax increase in California over a decade as utility rates
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Skyrocket for homeowners and small businesses and higher
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taxes. Get passed on to Consumers.
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Prop 30 without of 23 million, new zero emission vehicles in
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California over the next 10 years, which means the state
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would need to increase the current capacity of electricity
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grid to handle this massive increase.
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This expands its not including prop, 30 and could be paid for
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by regular utility ratepayers who already pay some of the
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highest in the nation utility costs could Skyrocket and rate,
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payers could pay as much higher electricity bills each month,
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state budget surplus grew by 90 is 7.5 billion this year.
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The state is already developed the spending plan to Rather
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rapid adoption of zero emission Vehicles without raising taxes.
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Without threatening the stability of electricity grid
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and there's already budget 10 billion to achieve these goals.
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So that's the argument against obviously, it's the Howard
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Jarvis taxpayers Association. They are against it.
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Small Business Association. So what are your thoughts
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Cynthia on Prop 30? Do you think It's it's a good
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idea or do you think you would vote?
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No, or yet? Well, how would you vote on Prop
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30. Yeah.
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So full disclosure if you guys follow me on Instagram, it's
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create what said I was requested by my community to do a voter
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guide. So I did post how I would vote
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for the Statewide proposition. So, full disclosure I am voting,
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no on all of them so including prop 30.
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So right off the bat. I have a very easy roll.
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Whenever I see climate crisis, I brought the red flag Emoji.
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I just don't believe in that. I do think Republicans can do
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better as far as branding and messaging and wine to conserve
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and protect and do good things for the environment.
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But and then also too from a financial standpoint, I don't
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necessarily agree with, you know, taxing people who are
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wealthy, who you know, did what they need to do to be able.
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All to work for everything that they have.
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So all that being said from the financial standpoint and what I
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think, you know, how we can improve the environment, the
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language of the proposition and also to like how they're
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committing to, you know wildfires.
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I mean the Republicans in the State Assembly have provided you
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know opportunities on where we can improve that.
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I just there's just a lot of different And things that, you
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know, I'm against, as far as like the climate, angle the
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financial standpoint. What, what they're hoping to
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accomplish with this? I think also too, you know
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before, because I'd like to hear your take as well.
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Phil, I think. So, you also mentioned some of
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the supporters and opponents, I think people would be very
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intrigued because I know I was giggling.
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When you're reading, you know, who was against it.
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I was kind of waiting to see if you would say, you know, well
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should be against it. So the supporters Representing
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the road Khanna. Barbara Lee State assemblyman
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Kevin McCarty. One of our favorites.
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Assemblywoman Buffy. Wicks Oakland, mayor Libby,
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Libby schaaf the California. Democrat Party supports.
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It lifts the corporation supports it for the Union's
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calfire, California, State Association of Electrical
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Workers. Unit here they are more
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left-leaning, the American Lung Association, the California.
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Voters organizations that support it Tom steyer.
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He supports it. The, the people that oppose.
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It shouldn't be no surprise. So for political parties, like
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the Republican party of California, the Peace and
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Freedom Party. This is where it gets
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interesting, the organization. So as you mentioned, fill the
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Howard Jarvis taxpayers Association, that shouldn't
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surprise people like these business organizations Chamber
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of Commerce, a union that's actually against it is the
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California Teachers Association. So see ETA and my favorite is
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Governor, Gavin, Newsom is against it and I'm going to read
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this quote some about pedia. So if people would like to read
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it for themselves their you're more than free to do.
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So Governor Gavin Newsom said this, he's against it because
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prop 30 is a special interest carve out and yes, he said
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special interest. The man, that's funded by
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special interest. He said, prop, 30 is a special
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interest. Yeah, he said prop 30 is a
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special-interest carve-outs. A cynical scheme devised by a
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single Corporation to funnel state income tax revenue to
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their company. Californians should know that.
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Just this year, our state committed ten billion dollars
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for electric vehicles and their infrastructure.
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So all that being said to some of them up, those are people and
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that are against her support it, I have my own reasons from a
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financial and a, you know, environmental standpoint.
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I just think there's a lot of things.
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As we could do with this other Solutions out there to, you
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know, combat our environment and, you know, our forest
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management because that's really what it is.
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It's when we talk about wildflowers, it's about managing
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our forests, so I'm voting no. Yeah, it's interesting to think
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that you actually are on the same side as Gavin Newsom,
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right? Yeah.
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It's wild II busted my butt off to try to recall him like gung
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ho like trained, volunteers gathered signatures help.
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People, phone bank and door, knock.
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And I am on this the same side for once it's wild never would
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have thought that one year later.
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A lot can happen in a year. Well, we're he's got a pop-up,
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we're get this guy's him a lot in this episode which is why I
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wore my noodle shirt. But yeah, it's a I think it's
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interesting that he is against it.
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The California Democratic party is for it.
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So sometimes it does seem like new.
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Some is out of step with the California Democratic party and
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would not to go down the rabbit hole that we've talked about
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before, but I do think you're going to see a lot more of
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Gavin. Awesome out of step with the
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California Democratic party because he is going to try and
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run for governor probably sooner rather than later for all those
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were watching. Yeah, for all those who are
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watching or listening, I'm sorry if you lost your dinner right
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now, just thinking about that. But I think that you're going to
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see a lot of that coming up pretty soon.
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It's interesting in California Democratic party.
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It's just saying, yeah, we support this but of course, they
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support it because it's all about green energy and it's all
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Everyone driving. There's abs and their sexy news
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ABS, but yeah, and him coming out against the, his reasoning
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is he's got pretty much what the Howard Jarvis Association said,
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which is there's already been ten billion dollars put aside
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for all this. So why continue to tax more?
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And if you do, look at who does benefit the most, it is most
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likely going to be these big corporations like Lyft and Uber
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because they'll be able to get Get more rebates and people will
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be able like the drivers will be able to get rebates and paid off
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to get these cars and their for Lyft.
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And Uber don't really have to lift a finger because they can
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say, well go apply for this program Californians, giving up
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billions of dollars to buy these new abs abs.
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So therefore, Uber and Lyft aren't really on the hook.
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So I could see in a way, I could actually agree.
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And oh my God, I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.
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I could actually agree with Gavin.
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Newsom a little It that it is sort of a big hand out to Lyft
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and Uber because they're going to get off the hook if we end up
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giving them billions dollars to do this.
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So it is sometimes weird how um, people end up on the same aisle
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on stuff and Yeah. Anything what taxes in it?
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I'm usually a I'm pretty much always a hard note.
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Once I say it raises taxes on like nope.
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Right. Fine.
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Automatic know for me, red flag. Red flag.
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That's, that's a no for me. But there has been some polling
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on Prop 30 and this was, as of last week October 4th and it
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says, while this see, I'm trying to find the right.
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A new poll released on Monday, has shown that while prop 30
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continues to A double-digit advantage in terms of support
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percentage among voters that support has dwindled from
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earlier polls with total support coming under the 50% Mark for
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the first time according to the new UC Berkeley Institute of
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governmental studies poll released on Monday support for
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proposition. 30 is currently at 49% with those opposing it
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currently sitting at 37 percent and 15 percent undecided.
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So if those 15%, it depends on how they break if they all
00:22:24
break. Against it, then it won't pass.
00:22:28
But there's probably going to be a split of people who don't know
00:22:30
what to do and they're probably probably going to be like a
00:22:33
60/40 split split amongst party preference, 69 percent of
00:22:37
democrats favor? Yes, of course is there's never
00:22:40
a tax Democrats don't like while only 15 percent of Republicans.
00:22:45
Okay, which 15% oh Republicans. Are actually supporting this.
00:22:50
I want to know and I want to have a nice chat with them about
00:22:53
why you would support this and 49% of both no party preference
00:22:57
and other parties were in favor broken down by age.
00:23:00
Those 39 or younger had an above 50%, level support with older
00:23:04
groups, trending more and more below that Mark.
00:23:07
It's easy to see the real split on Prop 30, explain Elise
00:23:11
Castro, a ballot issue, advisor to the globe on Tuesday.
00:23:14
A lot of people especially younger people want the rich tax
00:23:17
more because they think That it needs to pay brother.
00:23:19
More fish are at the same time, the way it's being presented as
00:23:23
a tax on the rich to help. Make it better for electric cars
00:23:25
and such as a lot of support. But in recent weeks, many are
00:23:28
questioning prop, 30 more and more.
00:23:30
Some of it has to do with people, not liking life, seeing
00:23:33
this as a huge money saver on their part and others becoming
00:23:35
more aware of electrical grid. Stresses after a recent heat
00:23:38
waves, I mean, millions of Californians, got text messages,
00:23:41
warning them to turn off power. Now, there is that only will
00:23:45
increase electrical uses usage. So, it's interesting.
00:23:50
The polling is trending down for prop 30.
00:23:53
And I wonder how much of it has to do with noodles coming out
00:23:58
and having ads that say vote, no, on Prop 30.
00:24:02
I think that probably has a big effect.
00:24:03
If noodles is coming out and saying vote no on Prop 30.
00:24:07
There's a good chance that a lot of people are going to start
00:24:09
trending downward. So what do you what do you?
00:24:13
What do you think is the likelihood that this one's going
00:24:15
to pass? I'm actually a little bit.
00:24:19
I'm actually very hopeful, it seems, and I don't recall a few.
00:24:25
If we covered this in the last episode, we went over
00:24:28
propositions by know, you shed light on this and I have as well
00:24:34
usually when it comes. So people are pretty, gung ho
00:24:37
when it comes to voting like for candidates, but they seem to be
00:24:41
a little bit more open-minded and be willing to dive into
00:24:46
nuances. Comes to ballot propositions.
00:24:50
So for example, like I was a little bit worried about, you
00:24:53
know, for the last election cycle, with, like, the firm of
00:24:56
action, I really thought that somehow that was going to end up
00:25:01
passing and then ended up not. And so, you know, I kind of so
00:25:07
as far as like having that quote unquote, radical language, you
00:25:10
know, the wealth tax is a little bit worrisome, but I actually, I
00:25:15
do have hope, you know, as and and, Unfortunately, you know,
00:25:20
Newsom is pumping money into it. We, you know, I think it could
00:25:24
help us to. Yeah.
00:25:26
And sometimes the enemy of my enemy is my friend and in this
00:25:30
case, the enemy of prop 30 turns out to be Gavin Newsom.
00:25:35
And so, we're all on the same side, we're all one.
00:25:37
Big happy, anti-tax family for now.
00:25:39
But yeah, I think it's, I think, the more people dive into it,
00:25:45
even though it doesn't affect a lot of people. people, it's
00:25:49
always interesting to me because like you said propositions are
00:25:53
They're an odd thing in California, you know, we had was
00:25:57
two years ago. Somebody pointed out this trend
00:26:01
that while Californians vote for really radical left politicians.
00:26:06
They vote pretty conservative on propositions.
00:26:11
So when you take Republican and Democrat out of the, like,
00:26:14
whatever the out of the proper out of the race and you just
00:26:18
say, here's a proposition. Would you vote?
00:26:21
Yes. Or no.
00:26:22
On it based on your And more often than not, they kind of
00:26:28
break conservatively. You know, people vote against
00:26:31
new taxes, people vote against new bonds, and in the end, it's
00:26:37
like, I think it's interesting to see that people.
00:26:41
There is kind of like a conservative desire out there.
00:26:46
It's just people are not connecting that to politicians.
00:26:49
So we have to go through everything throu propositions.
00:26:53
So I'll so I don't know, I think it's a 50/50 shot that this one
00:26:56
loses. I hope it loses just because any
00:27:01
new taxes, I like to see when new taxes go down in flames
00:27:05
every time they try and come after Prop 13.
00:27:07
It always goes down in flames, which is always exciting to say,
00:27:11
people are not going to let Prop 13 be be.
00:27:14
Knocked over. If you don't know what Prop 13
00:27:16
is, it's an old property tax proposition, which protects it
00:27:21
from being out of control. It's the last really.
00:27:24
It's like the last thing that is protected in California is your
00:27:27
property tax from not getting super crazy.
00:27:32
And speaking of how people vote when there's not a Republican or
00:27:35
Democrat and this is one proposition that I'm really
00:27:40
interested to see the breakdown. When all is said and done in the
00:27:45
dust settles and I'm talking about Proposition 1, the
00:27:49
constitutional right to reproductive Freedom legislative
00:27:52
Constitutional Amendment. Now, this was proposed by the
00:27:55
legislature, you can do that as a legislature.
00:27:58
So there are different ways you can get a proposition on about
00:28:01
one the most popular way. Is somebody starts a ballot
00:28:04
initiative. You have to go out.
00:28:06
Everybody has to sign and send in a whole bunch of signatures
00:28:10
the other way they can do. It is have the Nature, put it on
00:28:13
the ballot for people to decide because there are some issues
00:28:16
that the people have to decide under the California
00:28:18
constitution in the rules the way it's set up.
00:28:20
So, this is one of those things that right after the Dobbs
00:28:27
decision which was the Supreme Court case that overturn Roe v--
00:28:32
Wade, this was immediately proposed voted on and then
00:28:38
placed on the ballot so they don't need signatures.
00:28:41
They don't need to go gather like Like 500 signatures,
00:28:44
they just proposing it goes on about but this is one that I'm
00:28:47
going to be really interested to see the breakdown of how people
00:28:49
vote on this and specifically, I'm interested to see what
00:28:54
groups vote yes or no on this because I think that's going to
00:28:58
be a really interesting glimpse into the minds of whether it's
00:29:05
like the Asian Community or the Latino Community.
00:29:08
How did they break on Prop 1 and the idea of giving basically?
00:29:12
Abortion access to people in California, but let's go
00:29:18
through. Some of the stuff that says in
00:29:21
our general election, booklet and we'll talk about it and then
00:29:25
some other stuff we can talk about, I found some good pastor
00:29:28
quotes and what Newsome's doing with Billboards and we'll talk
00:29:32
about that in a little bit. So existing California laws
00:29:35
provide that every individual has a fundamental right to
00:29:37
privacy in the personal reproductive decisions which
00:29:40
includes the fundamental right to choose to have an abortion
00:29:42
and the fundamental right to choose or refuse contraceptives,
00:29:47
due to recent court case, That's actually due to recent court
00:29:51
case, due to a recent court case, I feel like that's core
00:29:55
Macklin. Correct, right to abortion.
00:29:57
No longer protected by US Constitution in the past.
00:30:01
The US Supreme Court found that the US Constitution generally
00:30:03
protected the right to abortion, as a result States had limited
00:30:07
ability to place restrictions on abortions.
00:30:09
However, in June 2020, to the US Supreme Court decided that the
00:30:12
US Constitution does not protect the right to abortion.
00:30:17
Correct, that's what they decided.
00:30:20
They decided this was one of those things that they couldn't
00:30:23
find a right specifically enshrined or written out in the
00:30:27
Constitution. So they said this is something
00:30:30
that has to be sent back to the state legislature is.
00:30:32
This is a state-by-state basis has to go back to the
00:30:35
localities. I know very horrible in fascist
00:30:40
that the Supreme Court basically said, we don't have the power to
00:30:43
carte blanche, make a rule for the entire country out of thin
00:30:46
air. They said we were wrong, which
00:30:49
is also odd for something to hear out of Washington, d.c.
00:30:52
that they were wrong and they said, look, we're going to give
00:30:54
up our power you guys at the state level.
00:30:57
Figure it out. Now, California already has an
00:31:01
abortion law on the books and a lot of this is fear mongering.
00:31:06
When people say, oh, they overturn Roe v-- Wade.
00:31:08
No one will be able to get an abortion and, you know, it's
00:31:11
going to be like, a handmaidens tale isn't, that's my favorite
00:31:14
is going to. It's always going to be like the
00:31:16
handmaidens tail. But there is an actual law on
00:31:21
the books, in California, it's health and safety, code 1234 66
00:31:29
and it's a couple of them and says the state may not deny or
00:31:33
interfere with a woman's right to choose or obtain an abortion
00:31:36
prior to viability of the fetus or when the abortion is
00:31:40
necessary to protect the life and or health of the mother.
00:31:43
So, The kefir. Raised here is press.
00:31:50
So no late-term abortion. That's what the law says, right
00:31:54
now, and viability according to the statute.
00:31:59
Because as an attorney, I had to go in and look at the Statue and
00:32:01
see exactly what it says. Viability means the point in the
00:32:05
pregnancy. When in the good faith medical
00:32:07
Judgment of a physician on the particular facts of the case.
00:32:11
Before that position. There's a reasonable likelihood
00:32:14
of the fetus sustained survival outside of uterus without the
00:32:17
application of extraordinary medical measures. which even
00:32:23
then, I think that's a weird definition of the application of
00:32:27
extraordinary medical measures because you do hear these
00:32:30
miraculous stories of someone being born, prematurely, maybe
00:32:36
like a month or two early, they do put them on respirators and
00:32:41
incubators to Help them survive. I guess you could call that
00:32:48
extraordinary medical measures. So that would still be viability
00:32:54
if the baby could live outside and they could still save it
00:32:59
which would then shorten the kind of the window of where you
00:33:02
can get an abortion, but that's the law.
00:33:06
As is right now, in California, you can get an abortion Can't
00:33:11
get a late-term abortion. This I think changes, everything
00:33:18
goes on to say, for example, California law requires,
00:33:20
abortion providers to be licensed in addition, abortions
00:33:23
can be only be performed on a viable fetus.
00:33:25
We talked about that under state law, a fetus is considered
00:33:28
viable. If the fee is likely, we and we
00:33:30
talked about that proposition one would change the California
00:33:34
Constitution to say that the state cannot deny or interfere
00:33:37
with a person's reproductive freedom and that people have the
00:33:40
fundamental right to choose Whether or not to have an
00:33:44
abortion whether or not to use contraceptives, I don't think I
00:33:48
ever heard are we at a point in America, where people can't
00:33:52
aren't allowed to use contraceptives?
00:33:54
Is that a thing? I don't I feel like there's an
00:33:58
abundance of choices for contraceptives in America.
00:34:01
I don't know where this idea of like is there, if there's a
00:34:05
state that's not letting you use contraceptives.
00:34:08
I mean, put it in the chat or something because I don't have
00:34:11
any idea in case you were wondering about the money,
00:34:15
there's no direct physical effect because we don't know
00:34:18
what problem one is really going to do.
00:34:22
Let's see. So, if the court finds that the
00:34:26
proposition expands these rights, in terms of Reproductive
00:34:29
Rights, there could be a physical effects to the state,
00:34:33
right? Because they would be paying for
00:34:36
medical Medicare and all that stuff.
00:34:40
Ready for the arguments, I'm sure you're interested to see
00:34:43
what is the argument in favor of prop 1.
00:34:46
Why? Yes, I am.
00:34:49
The argument in favor of prop, one is screwed em babies.
00:34:53
Because who cares? Now that's not actually the
00:34:56
argument for nearly 50 years, Americans have relied on the
00:34:59
legal principles set by our Roe v-- Wade that allowed
00:35:02
individuals to make their own reproductive Health decisions.
00:35:05
Privately access to abortion is no longer federally protected
00:35:09
and is under attack across the country.
00:35:12
It's under attack, Cynthia, just everywhere, doctors, nurses and
00:35:19
health providers. All all doctors nurses in all
00:35:24
Health Providers everywhere. In the state of California, they
00:35:27
all agree. Yes.
00:35:30
On Prop one is necessary to keep reproductive medical decisions
00:35:33
where they belong with individuals and their health
00:35:36
care providers based on scientific facts, not political
00:35:40
agendas. Isn't the whole purpose of this
00:35:44
proposition, sort of a political agenda, you could say.
00:35:49
I mean California already has a very laxed abortion law.
00:35:53
It really is no reason to have this.
00:35:59
Other than they're just trying to score some points as for the
00:36:02
Roe v-- Wade crab. Yeah, the California medical
00:36:07
association Planned, Parenthood. Affiliates of California in the
00:36:10
League of Women, Voters of California support prop, one of
00:36:14
course, Planned Parent, Hood supports it because they're
00:36:17
going to be rolling in dough, support prop 1, because no
00:36:21
matter who, or what political party, controls, the government,
00:36:24
a person's right to an abortion or contraceptive, should be
00:36:27
protected in California. Which actually goes against the
00:36:32
ruling and Ops. Because the ruling in Dobbs
00:36:35
says, this is something that should go to the people and the
00:36:39
people should decide on a case-by-case basis.
00:36:41
If you live in a community where they say, hey, we're going to
00:36:46
ban all sorts of abortions, any abortion?
00:36:50
That's that communities Choice. That's something that they have
00:36:52
chosen. If you don't like that choice,
00:36:56
you can move out of the community.
00:36:58
There's a whole bunch of choices you could do.
00:37:00
You could try to change it, you could get your own people
00:37:03
elected. There's a whole bunch of things
00:37:05
you can do. I'm not sure this is a
00:37:07
fundamental right as much as they think it is.
00:37:13
Let's see in somebody had asked me before, they said, what's the
00:37:18
difference between it being a law and being a constitutional,
00:37:22
right? Well, once it's a constitutional
00:37:25
right under the California Constitution, it's going to be
00:37:27
much harder to repeal and get rid of.
00:37:30
So, let's say in our Ideal World Cynthia, one day, after all of
00:37:36
our hard work and everything, we're doing California turns
00:37:39
red. We have a legislature full of
00:37:43
great Republicans, and let's just say Libertarians as well.
00:37:48
The state has come to its senses.
00:37:50
We're a free market State. We have a republican governor
00:37:54
for the first time. In a long time.
00:37:55
Republicans control the state of California, and things are going
00:37:58
to change. Now, they could come in and
00:38:01
simply vote and get rid of this abortion law as opposed to now,
00:38:06
there's a Constitutional Amendment, which enshrines it
00:38:09
and they would have to It this repeal to the people to vote.
00:38:13
Now of course, if we ever got to that point where we've elected a
00:38:18
state legislature that is entirely Republican or let's say
00:38:22
70 percent Republican like a supermajority and a republican
00:38:25
Governor, I would think California is probably pretty
00:38:27
different at that point, but that's I think what they're
00:38:31
trying to say here is that it does keep it a lot more secure
00:38:36
than before where you can easily change the law.
00:38:41
All right, argument against prop 1.
00:38:47
Those of us scientist argument have different views on many
00:38:49
issues, including abortion, but we all agree.
00:38:55
Prop one is an extreme expensive and pointless waste of tax money
00:38:59
that will allow unrestricted late-term abortions.
00:39:01
Costing taxpayers Millions, this is not the answer prop one was
00:39:06
put on the ballot for one reason to score political points, not
00:39:09
to make serious policy prop. One will allow late-term
00:39:12
abortions at taxpayer expense without limitation for any
00:39:16
reason at any time up to the moment of birth.
00:39:18
Even when the mother's life is not in danger, even when the
00:39:21
healthy baby, could survive outside the womb.
00:39:24
Instead of preserving our state's, compassionate carefully
00:39:26
balanced limit. I don't even know if it's, I
00:39:29
don't even know what's compassion and carefully
00:39:30
balanced limits on late-term abortions.
00:39:33
Prop, one will push California far outside the mainstream
00:39:36
today, Most states and 47, European countries, limit
00:39:42
late-term abortions. Remember, how all the everybody
00:39:44
on the left says, we have to be a lot more like Europe, they
00:39:47
just do everything so much better in Europe.
00:39:49
They shouldn't look into their late term, abortion policies, a
00:39:53
recent Harris poll found that ninety percent of Americans
00:39:56
support limits on late-term abortions.
00:39:59
Likewise recent polling shows that most California voters
00:40:02
support limitations on L abortions as well.
00:40:05
The pro-abortion got mucker got got to move cargo, mature
00:40:10
Institute estimates that, California could see a nearly
00:40:12
3 increase in the number of people from other states seeking
00:40:16
abortions here, with many coming for more expensive, late-term
00:40:21
So, that is the argument against prop 1, according to dr.
00:40:27
Anne-Marie Adams was a gynecologist tack on Prison of
00:40:30
international faith, based Coalition and assembly member,
00:40:34
Jim Patterson. All right.
00:40:39
Prop 1. What are your thoughts Cynthia?
00:40:44
Absolutely positively. No.
00:40:48
So if peep so when you know the opposition came down you know we
00:40:53
did we actually did Library action to Newsome doing like a
00:40:57
press conference which was very fun.
00:41:00
So if people you know watch the program they would know that I
00:41:05
am in very anti-abortion. I'm pro-life.
00:41:08
So, you know, any kind of attempts to, you know, make
00:41:12
things worse than they are. Someone that, you know, cares
00:41:15
about life, both for the mother and the child automatically, no
00:41:20
automatic red flag red flag. So, there's already that the
00:41:26
other aspect is, when, as you've broken down, it is very, very
00:41:31
extreme. So right now, as you have
00:41:34
mentioned, an illustrated, the existing law for California and
00:41:39
this is just the law not like what's in the state constitution
00:41:42
at the moment. You know, California's
00:41:45
restrictions on abortions is, it's after the age of viability.
00:41:49
So usually that's usually around like 23 24, 25 weeks.
00:41:53
So the language of this potential amendment to our state
00:41:57
constitution would basically make abortion legal up until the
00:42:02
moment of birth. So by definition it is
00:42:05
infanticide. So this you know that's already
00:42:10
so you know for people that you know, are Our are trying to
00:42:15
promote life and save lives, you know, it's alright.
00:42:17
There's already like a huge, a pathetic thing that we deal with
00:42:20
you know as far as trying to tell people the truth break down
00:42:24
all different angles of it. So I understand like, you know,
00:42:30
for example, you know, sharing like the timeline of like when
00:42:33
the heartbeat is there, when there's feet that grow.
00:42:36
It's a very complicated thing. When you talk about the science
00:42:39
of it, this is pretty black and white.
00:42:42
This is Advanta side as I mentioned, you know, we would be
00:42:47
in the same category as like a small minority of countries that
00:42:52
have this like North Korea and China.
00:42:54
They do permit late-term abortion, this is even when the
00:42:58
mother's life is not in danger, or when you know, a baby after
00:43:02
an abortion or whatnot, you know, could still live, so
00:43:06
California. If this passes would be going in
00:43:09
that direction, It's really funny because, like, you know,
00:43:15
after the tops decision, it's interesting just seeing all the
00:43:18
breakdowns, right? One thing that's really
00:43:20
insulting to me, one reaction that still gets me to say is
00:43:23
when Congress woman Sarah Jacobs, like I was kind of for I
00:43:27
was forced to watch this but there would be interviews where
00:43:30
she would be like exacerbated. Like I feel like my rights have
00:43:35
been Stripped Away. I feel like I have less rights
00:43:37
than my grandma and my mother. It's so insulting honestly 44.
00:43:42
Goodness sakes. Like I don't know what's up with
00:43:45
these people that like, I don't know, like I grew up with strong
00:43:49
women and, you know, I don't like, I just think that they
00:43:54
went people that are older than us, had a tougher than us.
00:43:56
So, I just think just things like that are insulting, they
00:44:00
just overreact and whatnot. So anyways, long story short,
00:44:05
this is a, this was a very easy decision for me, out of all the.
00:44:09
There's no Nuance has to be had. I think it's disgusting.
00:44:12
Gusting and it's just, it's really a Paul.
00:44:15
I'm not surprised that after this happened that all the
00:44:19
Democrats and state legislation, they had their press releases
00:44:21
ready to go and, you know, they don't waste any time and to
00:44:25
their credit. I mean, if Republicans were in
00:44:27
power, I would expect them to do something, you know, to to to,
00:44:32
you know, own their power to if, if that was my dream.
00:44:35
But you know, it is what it is. So I also am curious about the
00:44:40
breakdown shoe because You know, four or even even for like,
00:44:46
historically communities. That tend to vote Democrat.
00:44:50
They also tend to be socially, conservative to because they are
00:44:53
religious and people typically who are of Faith, they for some
00:44:58
reason. This is like their one hell that
00:45:00
they don't we left. So I think it will be curious to
00:45:03
know. I mean if I had to guess I don't
00:45:08
I I think it will pass but I want to be very hopeful but
00:45:11
because this is one that I'm very, very worried about.
00:45:15
I think it would we be going down a huge step in the wrong
00:45:18
direction if it passes. So that's my answer.
00:45:22
I would vote no and I hope people vote no to, yeah, I mean
00:45:28
it's is maybe we're far removed from that but there was a time
00:45:32
in California where we voted no on a marriage, you know, Prop 8
00:45:37
did fail in this state and that's to some people that that
00:45:40
was like extremely shocking to the rest of the nation, but
00:45:45
that's also because People are genuinely just thinking there's
00:45:50
a stereotype of everyone lives in LA and San Francisco which is
00:45:53
not true. And when you get out into the
00:45:56
more rural areas and when you get out any of those cities,
00:45:58
California gets a lot more conservative and a lot more red.
00:46:03
And yeah, I am particularly interested because I think this
00:46:06
could be one of those things that could be a catalyst and and
00:46:11
the left has been pushing farther and farther left and I
00:46:15
think there's some Old school Democrats who are, you know,
00:46:20
people like Bill Maher. I think of like old-school
00:46:22
Democrats who are looking the at the way the Democratic party is
00:46:27
going and even he's going. Whoa would like guys.
00:46:30
You're going way too far, way too fast.
00:46:32
Like this is too much, you're even like turning me off.
00:46:37
So I wonder how many people like this could be one of those
00:46:42
political turning points in California.
00:46:45
Where, if it makes, I don't know, a good percentage of let's
00:46:51
say, Hispanics are Asians who are Democrat and they see this
00:46:56
pass because Democrats wanted it and they go, you know what, I'm
00:47:01
just not on board anymore. With Democrats is that an
00:47:05
opportunity for like the California Republican party to
00:47:08
come in and go. Hey, We don't support it, you
00:47:12
know, we don't think that's right.
00:47:15
It could be a small political kind of Turning Point.
00:47:18
I'm not going to say it's, it's going to turn everybody right
00:47:20
over night. And all of a sudden, everyone's
00:47:21
going to go like, oh we're all Republicans and then we wake up
00:47:25
in our Dream fantasy where you know, it's a completely Red
00:47:28
State like Arizona or something, but I think it could have that
00:47:33
effect and I honestly think it could be one of those things
00:47:37
that like, you said, It is a sticking point and it is
00:47:42
something where they go. You know, if your cat,
00:47:45
especially if you're Catholic, if you're Christian, this is
00:47:48
something you're going to look at and go.
00:47:51
I don't think I'm on board with this, and I think you've gone
00:47:53
too far and I think the left continually pushing themselves
00:47:57
farther and farther left and they're going to push a lot of
00:48:01
people out of their own party, and it could be better, it could
00:48:06
be good news for California in the long run, they'll be bad
00:48:10
news for us, if it passes. I haven't honestly heard a lot
00:48:14
of stuff about prop one, which is interesting.
00:48:16
I haven't seen ads. I guess they figure in a state
00:48:20
like California. They don't really have to run
00:48:22
Pro prop One ads. Like as people will just see you
00:48:26
know protects a woman's Reproductive Rights and
00:48:29
everyone's just going to check. Yes but I also haven't seen a
00:48:31
lot of like opposing prop 1 which is interesting to me.
00:48:35
I think there would have been more Pushed up poses, like it
00:48:39
seems like people gave up on this prop and figured it's
00:48:43
passed before it even hit the ballot.
00:48:46
So have you seen anything against prop 1 on TV or
00:48:49
anything? I have not.
00:48:52
And that's interesting that you mentioned that because we laugh,
00:48:57
because we talked about Kathryn Blake's years ads, because
00:49:00
that's the cheese on cheese. She's a, you know, she believes
00:49:05
in, you know, the woman's right to choose and all that stuff.
00:49:08
Right? So kind of breaking down on the
00:49:11
election side. The campaign side too.
00:49:13
No, I haven't seen any ads promoting know, and that's quite
00:49:17
unfortunate because Republicans are missing out on the great
00:49:21
opportunity for it. However, I will say this though,
00:49:25
to just because this is public, but there are some candidates,
00:49:31
you know, locally and then Statewide that publicly, you
00:49:35
know, are are you know, On that side of things, they aren't, as
00:49:40
they aren't pro-life. They aren't there more
00:49:42
anti-abortion. I've even have heard of a local
00:49:46
San Diego candidate who, who's running for a local office here
00:49:53
and he actually supports prop 1. So it's also kind of interesting
00:49:57
because, you know, I feel like the Democratic campaign Playbook
00:50:02
has been, you know, attacking how because someone by virtue is
00:50:06
a republican, they It's a little complex thing for me because
00:50:10
again, like, I am someone that is against it, but it's also
00:50:15
interesting how the Republicans kind of had that high ground
00:50:18
because they're like, no, actually, I am, we would
00:50:21
probably agree on this and whatnot.
00:50:23
So that's very interesting as is, the second thing is even
00:50:29
like a nationwide Trend that seems, I feel like a lot of
00:50:32
democratic candidates are harpooning on this and really
00:50:36
relying on this to turn out there.
00:50:37
Democrat face because it's no surprise that people on both
00:50:40
sides are incredibly unmotivated to vote at all and it seemed
00:50:45
ends, you know, the timing of it nationwide.
00:50:48
The trend has been for Democrats to push this.
00:50:51
I mean, for example, Joe Biden is in California and he's
00:50:54
stumping for this. So they're obviously especially
00:50:58
in California doing everything possible to motivate their base.
00:51:02
And so I think another Trend that I think you admire you and
00:51:04
me would be curious to analyzes. Yes, I think.
00:51:07
Interesting to see the interest groups, the identity groups who
00:51:11
are voting for this and what happened, what is the resolved
00:51:14
it by think it would be also, interesting to notice how much
00:51:17
it's actually going to motivate the Democrats because in the
00:51:21
beginning and I kind of had to stop kind of going down this
00:51:25
Rabbit Hole, just because it's kind of like, you know, I just
00:51:27
need to see what happens all action day, right?
00:51:29
But, I firmly believed in the beginning was I actually don't
00:51:34
think it would motivate the Democrats as much as people
00:51:37
think. Think, I think that the economy
00:51:40
especially because we found out today, too, we are going more
00:51:44
towards a recession. We are officially at a four-year
00:51:47
high for inflation. I just strongly believe when
00:51:52
people are struggling economically there is nothing.
00:51:54
That trumps harder than what's hurting in your wallets.
00:51:59
There's no social issue. There's no culture issue like
00:52:02
nothing's going to matter to people if they can't afford
00:52:05
basic necessities and if they're pissed Off at the gas station.
00:52:09
And the thing with the economy to is it's not like when things
00:52:14
are going downhill, it's not like, it gets better.
00:52:17
You have to go down for it to go up eventually.
00:52:19
So I'm so like, you know, if you ask this question, six months
00:52:22
ago, I would say, yeah, it's going to get worse, it's not
00:52:25
gonna get any better. And right now, if you look at
00:52:27
Joe Biden's, Twitter, I mean he's talking about how he's
00:52:30
added jobs. I think, I saw that say on
00:52:33
Twitter, they're trying to convert the messaging that
00:52:35
they're doing everything that they can, to make they call you.
00:52:37
Better. And actually, they call me is
00:52:39
proving even though literally just today or yesterday.
00:52:42
Actually, I was today. I mean, the inflation's to
00:52:46
worse. So, those are my thoughts on
00:52:49
that. So, yeah, I unfortunately have
00:52:52
not seen the ads going against it and one of our guests,
00:52:55
Jonathan Zacharias and he was onto.
00:52:56
So he's kind of betting because of the language of extreme is,
00:53:00
you know, he has a little bit more hope.
00:53:02
So we'll just have to see what happens.
00:53:06
When President, Biden comes out and says there's a chance we
00:53:10
might head into a slight recession for him to admit that
00:53:13
a couple weeks before, midterm. That signals to me that we're
00:53:18
probably headed for a terrible recession because for the
00:53:22
president to admit weeks before midterm, where his party's going
00:53:26
to get wiped out that there's going to be a slight recession
00:53:30
means they're probably looking at going through things are
00:53:34
really bad here. So yeah I agree with you.
00:53:38
I think at the end of the day, I don't think people are as you
00:53:43
know, in politics a month, two months, three months, Like a
00:53:46
lifetime June was a long time ago in a row v Wade was a long
00:53:51
time ago, you know, what's not a long time ago waking up and
00:53:55
seeing gas prices at 680. That was just like last week so
00:54:01
and it's still above six dollars.
00:54:03
And a lot of places in here, in San Diego.
00:54:05
I see, six dollars every where that is.
00:54:10
That's going to stick in people's minds at the end of the
00:54:13
day, like they're going to think about that.
00:54:15
And go, we have to change something in California because
00:54:19
six dollar gas is not good enough and they're going to sit
00:54:22
there and go who cares about abortions when I can't afford to
00:54:27
put food on the table or drive to work.
00:54:29
Like, that's not really my top priority are my top concern.
00:54:35
Now, maybe people will vote for it just because they want to
00:54:37
feel good and they want a virtue signal.
00:54:40
But I don't think it's as galvanizing.
00:54:45
If bro, v-- Wade happened in September, it would make a huge
00:54:50
difference. Yes.
00:54:52
But because it happened because I happen in June, it's a long
00:54:56
time ago. And when it came out, everyone
00:54:59
said, oh, you know, this is this is going to Doom the Republicans
00:55:02
chances for winning the winning over Congress.
00:55:06
I thought to myself was like, yeah, there's still a lot of
00:55:09
time. And there's a lot of stuff that
00:55:11
can go wrong between now and June.
00:55:16
There was a quote so Southern California, John MacArthur?
00:55:22
He was a pretty adamant anti covid.
00:55:25
Pastor. He was I think he's the one who
00:55:28
sued and they went up to somewhere pretty far.
00:55:32
I think was the Supreme Court and he won against that but he
00:55:37
wrote a letter to Gavin Newsom because Gavin Newsom.
00:55:41
If you don't know, it's been spending his campaign money.
00:55:45
Not on actually campaigning in California, but putting up
00:55:49
Billboards and sending ads to other states.
00:55:53
And most recently, he's put up an ad in Austin, Texas, and he's
00:55:59
also put ads in Indiana. The one that says Indiana does
00:56:04
not own your body. And there's another one that he
00:56:08
tweeted out, that says need an abortion, California is ready to
00:56:12
help. Learn more at abortion.
00:56:14
Does ca.gov. And then below it it has a
00:56:18
quote, inspiring quote, love your neighbor as yourself.
00:56:23
There is no greater commandment than these Mark 12:31. and I'll
00:56:30
let that sink in for everybody that on a Billboard that says
00:56:36
need an abortion Gavin Newsom? Puts scripture, not just any
00:56:44
Scripture, this is the gospel we're talking about.
00:56:46
This is Jesus speaking. If you were to look in your
00:56:51
Bible and you open it up some Bibles, it's in red.
00:56:54
This would be in red in your Bible.
00:56:56
So Pastor John MacArthur wrote him a letter.
00:57:00
In mid-september, you reveal to the entire nation.
00:57:03
How thoroughly rebellious against God?
00:57:06
You are when you sponsored Billboards Across America,
00:57:09
promoting the slaughter of children whom he creates in the
00:57:13
womb. Psalm 139 13, through 16.
00:57:16
Isaiah 45 9 through 12. You further compounded, the
00:57:21
wickedness of that murderous campaign with a reprehensible
00:57:24
Act of gross blasphemy quoting, the very words of Jesus from
00:57:28
Mark 12:31. As if you could somehow twist
00:57:32
his meaning and arrogate his name in favor of butchering
00:57:36
unborn. Infants, you use the name and
00:57:39
the words of Christ to promote The Credo of moloch Leviticus
00:57:43
twenty one through five, it would be hard to imagine a
00:57:47
greater sacrilege. So definitely scathing rebuke by
00:57:53
John MacArthur and I agree with everything.
00:57:55
I mean I don't know who told him putting gospel and scripture on
00:58:02
a billboard that has need an abortion, come to California on
00:58:09
it. What are your thoughts, Cynthia?
00:58:14
I have have some more but I want to hear your thoughts first.
00:58:18
The nerve, the nerve is a good way to put it.
00:58:22
Yeah. It's um, It kind of reminds me
00:58:28
when what are one of our amazing supervisors Nathan Fletcher,
00:58:32
like with awaken Church in San Diego.
00:58:34
I remember hearing you Instagram lives at Pastor sharing their
00:58:37
experience because, you know, Nathan Fletcher was obviously
00:58:41
you know, the covid-19 King with locking down businesses and
00:58:45
churches and whatnot. And like, I remember one that
00:58:49
the pastor's had shared that, you know, he Nathan had given
00:58:54
some kind of like comment, like, you know, basically You know, it
00:58:57
was kind of one of those like backhanded like statements where
00:59:01
you know, they talk about he was bait like oh I, you know, I I
00:59:05
pray for those people, you know, that were there like as you
00:59:09
know, I guess we can church has like some cases and stuff.
00:59:11
So it's like, you know, it's another thing.
00:59:15
If like, someone isn't particularly religious or open
00:59:17
about their faith of whatnot, but like when they I have a I
00:59:20
have a I have a bone to pick with people that, you know,
00:59:26
aren't of that. And then they kind of like
00:59:27
twisting Hannah people who are of Faith, kind of like slap
00:59:31
slapping their faith in their face.
00:59:33
You know, is like the best way I would describe it.
00:59:36
So I kind of got flashbacks about so it is disgusting.
00:59:39
The nerve, I have really no words.
00:59:43
It's just, it's really hilarious.
00:59:44
It's like this man wants to run for president.
00:59:47
He's doing a pretty poor job. Like like I don't know if this
00:59:51
is like his appeal to Maybe it's like it's weird.
00:59:54
It's like he's so used to winning and now he's forced to
00:59:57
like step out of like his comfort zone to try to cater and
01:00:00
his messaging and it's like to be free cure.
01:00:03
So toned, I like people are not like California, there's normal
01:00:09
people that are saying that, you know, don't vote the way that
01:00:13
that you do or think the way that you do, it's just really
01:00:15
it's astounding like it really his tone death is on Full
01:00:19
display Yeah. It's a like you said it's if
01:00:23
he's trying to run for president, this is a piss-poor
01:00:26
way to do it because sending these billboards with the words
01:00:32
need an abortion and then also quoting the scripture and
01:00:36
Midwestern states like Indiana, it's not going to win.
01:00:39
You any favors. You're not definitely a people
01:00:42
aren't going to look up. Look at that and go.
01:00:43
Oh wow. Gavin Newsome.
01:00:45
What a godly man he really does care for his neighbor.
01:00:48
I think a lot of people would look at that and go excuse.
01:00:51
Are you kidding me? It would be like, I think it
01:00:53
would be the same reaction you had, which is the nerve of him
01:00:56
to say that. And I'm not sure why he picked
01:01:00
one of, you know, it's, it's a great line and it's definitely
01:01:04
one of the most important. It's the Golden Rule.
01:01:07
I'm not sure what the scripture has to do with needing an
01:01:10
abortion because it seems like if you should love each other,
01:01:15
as I have loved you, So go kill that baby.
01:01:19
Like that. Doesn't really make any sense to
01:01:21
me or is he trying to say like, California loves you?
01:01:26
To come kill that baby. Like, I don't, I'm trying to
01:01:29
figure out what his logic is and why he I mean again I doubt he's
01:01:33
really gone to church and actually opened the Bible and
01:01:37
like, talk about this stuff so I don't think he really has any
01:01:41
idea. I think probably one of his
01:01:42
interns was like yeah this one's really popular.
01:01:45
So let's just put this one on the billboard, that sounds good,
01:01:49
so and you're right. I always laugh at people on the
01:01:54
left who try and use. This idea of like we're going to
01:01:59
throw Christianity in your faith.
01:02:01
Like back in your face, like oh, we're going to prove, you're not
01:02:06
a Christian. You like you should vote for
01:02:08
socialism, aren't you a Christian?
01:02:10
Like you should vote for socialism socialism is what
01:02:13
Jesus would want and it's like there is actually a funny Tick
01:02:16
Tock. I saw, I was going to send it to
01:02:18
you. I'll send it to you after the
01:02:19
podcast, but this girl was having like, a conversation with
01:02:22
herself and one is the leftist. And once the one who's like,
01:02:26
Actually studied the Bible. They're talking about how, like,
01:02:30
Jesus was never a socialist. He was never a capitalist, he
01:02:32
was never any of these things. He just said, Christian should
01:02:35
do good unto each other and to society, and that's our job, and
01:02:38
that's our duty. But you always have the leftist
01:02:42
who are, like, you should vote for socialism because your Bible
01:02:45
says so no, it doesn't. You should allow us to have
01:02:48
abortions because your Bible says you should love your
01:02:50
neighbor. That's not what it says.
01:02:53
So it's always interesting to hear.
01:02:54
Left is trying use Scripture and the gospel to kind of own
01:02:59
Christians, but they sound so ignorant.
01:03:02
It's like, okay, why don't you pull out?
01:03:09
You know, the Quran and try and own Muslims who also don't
01:03:13
believe in abortion. Muslims also don't believe in
01:03:16
abortion. So wire, where's the quoting up
01:03:19
the Quran there. So anyway, I hope it doesn't
01:03:24
pass. I hope I All people are praying,
01:03:27
it doesn't pass. I would say I'm praying that it
01:03:29
doesn't pass. Probably will pass because it's
01:03:32
California, but it's definitely one of the most controversial.
01:03:35
And I do think it may be one of those political Awakening to
01:03:39
might be a spiritual awakening for a lot of people to see how
01:03:42
far California is going on. A lot of these social issues and
01:03:47
Maybe that's maybe that's a Tipping Point.
01:03:49
Maybe it's a good Tipping Point. If to get to this point where we
01:03:53
go, it's gotten really bad here and this is the stuff we're
01:03:56
focusing on when gas is $6 a gallon and no one can afford
01:04:02
food. And electricity rates are
01:04:04
through the roof and stuff like that.
01:04:05
This is the stuff people are focused on.
01:04:07
So who knows any final thoughts on Prop 1, I mean, you make an
01:04:14
interesting point you know, because like Of our former, one
01:04:18
of our previous podcast will go over down Fulkerson.
01:04:20
We brought up the colon question like how crazy it is.
01:04:23
That California is still hasn't hit the lowest that it could
01:04:26
like there's people that gen1 think that it's fine, like, it
01:04:29
hasn't hit like rock bottom. So, maybe I'm not again.
01:04:34
I'm not, I don't want it to pass.
01:04:35
So, on record. I don't want this to pass.
01:04:37
FYI, I'm voting now. And everyone to vote.
01:04:39
No. But let's say it does.
01:04:42
Maybe it's a blessing in disguise, maybe we need because
01:04:44
you wouldn't you learn the most when you lose, right?
01:04:47
So maybe this could be a good thing if it doesn't, if it does
01:04:52
pass. So we just need to see, but I am
01:04:55
praying that it does not pass, and everyone should vote.
01:04:58
No, I'm voting. No, Phil is a no for this to, so
01:05:05
everyone vote now and let's pray.
01:05:07
It doesn't pass. That's all and we agree on both.
01:05:10
Propositions as opposed to the last episode where we didn't
01:05:13
agree on both propositions. Well, actually, we are still
01:05:16
just on one. We didn't agree, but we did it
01:05:19
just agree on Prop 26. I'm still a Yes on Prop 27.
01:05:23
Okay, cool. And guess what?
01:05:25
We're still friends and we're still friends.
01:05:28
We're still friends. Yeah, I think I made a comment
01:05:32
on Karina's page about something and she was like, nah, we don't
01:05:36
agree. And I was like, and we're still
01:05:37
friends. We're not gonna kill each other
01:05:39
over it. We're not going to I'm not going
01:05:40
to cut you off or block you or anything like that.
01:05:43
So with that said it's been a little over an hour.
01:05:46
Thanks to everyone for signing on listen to us.
01:05:49
Talk about these two propositions, we got, I think
01:05:53
there's several more but they're not super controversial.
01:05:57
I guess you could say, there's not that many left, there's one
01:06:01
about dialysis which since I don't understand what the heck
01:06:04
it's talking about, I always just vote.
01:06:06
No, there's the other one which has to do with flavored tobacco.
01:06:10
Like oh, that's the referendum. So that is.
01:06:15
You can explain it real quick. There was a law passed that they
01:06:18
were going to ban flavored tobacco, like in jewels and
01:06:20
stuff and the Vapes. So, the referendum.
01:06:25
Now this is important. A referendum means.
01:06:28
You want to get rid of that law. Correct.
01:06:32
So the referendum says, do you still support this law?
01:06:35
It's kind of like the gas tax. This is where people got tripped
01:06:38
up with the gas tax and why we still have a gas tax.
01:06:41
It's going to say. Yes, you still support the law,
01:06:45
would you like it to stay? And no, we do not support the
01:06:48
law, and it's going to go away. So, if you are someone who likes
01:06:52
to vape and you like your flavored tobacco, Then vote.
01:06:56
Now, I think that's about it. I can't think of many other
01:06:59
propositions, can you um, Let's see, I don't have it open
01:07:07
actually, let me just go exit really quick.
01:07:10
So ones. Abortion 26 is gambling, 27 is
01:07:14
the gambling. So we went over those 328.
01:07:16
Is education, requiring funding K through 12 29s.
01:07:21
The dialysis 130 it we went over that that's the wealth tax for
01:07:26
for emissions and wildfires 31 is the referendum.
01:07:30
So yeah, so the one we we missed was yeah.
01:07:34
Was requiring K through 12 so just really quickly I'm voting.
01:07:38
No because I mean they say that it's going to go funding for
01:07:42
music education lesson where we are 49th in the nation for
01:07:46
reading and writing while we focus on writing and I'm pretty
01:07:49
skeptical. I mean I'm pretty skeptical on
01:07:51
you know when they say that in general like oh this funds is
01:07:54
going to go where I never believed them anyway.
01:07:56
So I'm personally I know I'm that but other than that yeah
01:08:00
we've gone over everything that's it wasn't a real We busy
01:08:04
proposition season this year. Sometimes there's a lot of
01:08:08
propositions this year was not a lot of propositions.
01:08:10
So yeah, with that said, that's all your proposition breakdowns
01:08:14
and we got a couple weeks to go. I'm not going to be around next
01:08:17
week so we only have like one more week and I think we're
01:08:21
still on for the live stream. Are we still on for the live
01:08:24
stream for the debate on the 23rd?
01:08:27
Yeah. Okay, maybe we'll get some other
01:08:30
guests on as well. To listen, we're going to do
01:08:32
like the FDR where I'm going to huddle around the internet radio
01:08:35
and listen with hot cocoa and stuff and listen to the debate
01:08:39
on the radio because that's where real people go.
01:08:41
Watch debates between Governor's is they go listen in front of
01:08:44
the radio like that's how political debates happen in
01:08:47
California. We still love having him on the
01:08:49
radio. Yeah, that's kind of a whole
01:08:51
different thing and we know I know we've asked Brian to Ali
01:08:54
and why, you know, he's not happy.
01:08:58
Not that either. But anyway, we're going to do
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live stream. We got other episodes coming up.
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