Ep. 255 - Chaos Erupts at UCLA

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[00:00:36] the man with us tonight really needs no introduction if you follow conservative news or anything

[00:00:41] in California. It's Anthony Caposa who is a great independent journalist, does some incredible

[00:00:48] work here. And tonight we wanted to bring him on because the topic we're discussing tonight

[00:00:55] was what the heck is going on at UCLA or what the heck did happen at UCLA? So we're going

[00:01:00] to get into that. Anthony, how are you? Welcome to the show.

[00:01:03] Hey, Phil and Camille. Thank you so much for having me. Appreciate it. Doing good.

[00:01:07] Yeah, you're a busy guy. So we were glad to be able to nail you down for this one. I was tuned in,

[00:01:15] was it last Wednesday? I think you were like up all night with the protesters at UCLA. Like I

[00:01:22] was getting ready for the gym. It was like five o'clock in the morning. And I saw you were

[00:01:25] live. And I was like, is Anthony really live or is his Instagram stuck on something? I

[00:01:31] pulled it up. And sure enough, you were there like walking around UCLA. Before we get

[00:01:37] into that, I think we need to explain what are these protests and what are they about? Why are

[00:01:44] we having protests all over these campuses? Do you want to kind of clue us in on that, Anthony?

[00:01:50] Give us an idea. Yeah. So for like, obviously we know that on October 7th, Hamas, which is

[00:01:57] basically the terrorist sect of Gaza, Palestine, that area over there attacked Israel on one

[00:02:05] of their most holiest days out there and unsuspectingly and ended up killing over 1000

[00:02:12] people. And it's been war ever since right in that region. And it's been a constant back and forth.

[00:02:17] I saw that just recently they went into a Raafa, which is like a southern region that connects

[00:02:23] Egypt with that strip of Gaza out there. And so it's just been ongoing. And so to leave

[00:02:30] it to privileged college Ivy League students out here, it's kind of like that scene from

[00:02:39] breaking batters. Like, no, no, no, this is all wrong. This is about me. This has to be about

[00:02:45] me. So to each your own, but they've been basically protesting the war with Israel and

[00:02:54] the Palestinian people. And, you know, there's been multiple reports of thousands of civilians

[00:02:59] dead. President Biden actually also stated that in a national address, stating that basically

[00:03:05] about 25,000 Palestinians had been killed during this war. And a lot of them were innocent

[00:03:13] civilian and adults. And there's a lot of conflicting reports because apparently the

[00:03:18] official reporting coming out of Palestine area is or, you know, Hamas is basically the

[00:03:24] authority there. And so they're the ones releasing the numbers. So it's like, well, how can you

[00:03:28] believe that? Right? So that you kind of have to rely on an independent journalist, but

[00:03:32] then independent journalists seem to have a bias at times. And so it's just all messy. And

[00:03:38] so what Americans have been doing is they've been protesting this war protesting Israel

[00:03:43] and they have taken to college campuses. A lot of these students, whether it be San Diego,

[00:03:48] whether it be Columbia University in New York, whether it be UC Berkeley, UCLA, which was

[00:03:54] the one that I covered. And they've been saying, you know, hey, we, we are making these

[00:04:00] demands at this school. Basically, you have to divest from Israeli ties, any kind of

[00:04:05] sponsorship, any kind of, I mean, the list of demands varies by the school. But

[00:04:10] basically what you have is a bunch of students and what they've created with it, what is

[00:04:14] called the encampments. And so they're basically camping out at their college campus with

[00:04:19] tents. And then in some cases are actually closing off entire sections of the school.

[00:04:24] In the most extreme cases like in New York, Columbia University out there, they've

[00:04:28] actually broken into buildings and basically hijacked them and try to rename

[00:04:34] them into pro Palestinian names and akin to those things. And so yeah, it's in the nutshell

[00:04:42] that basically what we have is a bunch of college students that are quote unquote

[00:04:46] in solidarity with Palestine and and just try to I guess raise more awareness on

[00:04:52] what's happening out in the Middle East in a conflict out there.

[00:04:55] So you were on the ground. Did you get to talk to any of these protesters? And

[00:05:00] when they say they're in solidarity with Palestine and what's going on over there,

[00:05:06] do you get a sense of most of them understand what's going on? Or is it sort

[00:05:11] of people are just kind of like this is the thing to do and we're going to go

[00:05:15] check it out and be a part of this camp? And what was what's your feeling from

[00:05:17] the ground? Yeah, that's a good question. So, you know, there's a lot

[00:05:22] of people that keep calling these encampments, you know, the pro protesters,

[00:05:28] which I kind of find a little disingenuous to assume that every single

[00:05:33] protesters pro Hamas. I don't really like when people know if you're anti

[00:05:38] Israel, then you're pro Hamas or if you're not, then you are for Hamas.

[00:05:46] That this is basically like the next Black Lives Matter. You had that four

[00:05:50] years ago and now you have all these people that just want to show solidarity.

[00:05:56] The next thing, right? It's kind of like the NPC when they get like the BLM

[00:06:01] chip removed from the brain and now it's like a pro Palestine thing. You know,

[00:06:04] it's like, okay, now we're pro Palestine. I actually got to talk to

[00:06:10] Brent, who is actually Palestinian, his parents are Palestinian and he was

[00:06:14] born and raised in California. But obviously, you know, has family back

[00:06:19] there and he's first generation American. And he actually told me

[00:06:23] that he was kind of surprised in showing up to the ceiling cabinet that

[00:06:25] there were so many white people in charge and he kind of seemed

[00:06:29] disgruntled about that. It's like, why are there so many white people here

[00:06:32] and who put them in charge? You know, and so what I have been arguing

[00:06:37] is that, you know, there's a lot of people saying, you know, these are

[00:06:40] these are dangerous people. They are allowing themselves with terrorists.

[00:06:45] Maybe this is but the overall sense is these are

[00:06:51] liberal kids that see something they want to feel included. I mean, I

[00:06:56] saw like a white couple there and the guy just seemed like a regular bro

[00:07:02] and his girl pants and oversized sweater and some Uggs. You know,

[00:07:08] like it's going to be very hard to convince me that these people are

[00:07:11] really pro Hamas. And when I asked people, you know, like, I was able

[00:07:16] to talk to some folk, a lot of people don't want to talk. You

[00:07:20] know, they don't know what kind of media you are. So they're just very

[00:07:23] naturally distrustful of the media who can blame them. But also in

[00:07:28] talking with some folks, they really don't know why they're there.

[00:07:32] They understand that there's a war and the way they see things in

[00:07:36] their mind is our Palestinians are indigenous to that region.

[00:07:44] People of color, they're browner than the white Israelis looks

[00:07:49] to want to colonize these brown people. So again, they it's kind

[00:07:55] of like the same in where white cops are bad and people like

[00:08:01] press, right? It's been them essentially decades now, but

[00:08:07] especially recently, the blacks that happen and, you know,

[00:08:10] follow the

[00:08:12] many elections in and beyond. And I'm seeing a lot of this

[00:08:18] a lot of the same talking points, a lot of the same people in

[00:08:21] charge. Some of the groups that are putting this together is of

[00:08:24] course the Black Lives Matter at the Los Angeles, which is one of

[00:08:26] their bigger chapters. You have the Democratic Socialists of

[00:08:29] America. And then you have the revolutionary communists also

[00:08:33] known as the rev comms. And these are the ones kind of

[00:08:36] taking charge of this and, you know, leave it to them to

[00:08:39] basically take charge. This is just the way these these

[00:08:43] communist groups, these socialist groups operate is they

[00:08:47] like to infiltrate. They like to infiltrate movements and they

[00:08:50] like to take direction and kind of spread the messaging. And so

[00:08:54] it, you know, talking if you're looking for real Palestinians,

[00:08:59] like actually just anti war, it's going to be very hard to

[00:09:03] come across because when I was talking to that Palestinian

[00:09:06] student, he said that the reality is neither New York

[00:09:09] nor California have a large Palestinian demographic. It's

[00:09:14] something like he said something like 80,000 Arabs in America

[00:09:20] actually identify as Palestinian. And a lot of them are

[00:09:23] hyper centralized and Dearborn Michigan, like the Michigan

[00:09:26] area. So that's where he kind of was going into the whole, you

[00:09:30] know, I so I actually got a really good interview with

[00:09:33] him. And he was one of the more cohesive people he was

[00:09:37] like, look, this is he basically said this is what I

[00:09:39] believe. I believe that America needs to cut ties with

[00:09:43] most foreign countries to include Israel. I don't think they

[00:09:47] should be our biggest ally, they do nothing for America or

[00:09:50] really anyone. He's like, he said that Israel is pretty

[00:09:54] degenerate, you know, saying that they have large LGBT parades

[00:09:58] and all this stuff. He's like, I thought that you know,

[00:10:01] basically saying like us Christians, I thought you

[00:10:03] Christians were against those things. But out there, they

[00:10:05] celebrated, it's like the biggest celebrations. He said

[00:10:09] that foreign aid to all countries, including Ukraine

[00:10:12] need to stop. Because there are Americans that are

[00:10:15] struggling. It's like, I'd rather the money just be here.

[00:10:18] Like there's people struggling for healthcare. Why can't we

[00:10:20] invest that money into people that are struggling with

[00:10:23] healthcare bills? And so these are talking points that I

[00:10:27] think that maybe some people on the left and the right

[00:10:29] would be like, actually, some of this stuff kind of makes

[00:10:32] sense, right? Especially with the foreign aid spending,

[00:10:35] etc. I know that's a big talking point for

[00:10:39] libertarians. Also, you know, is the foreign aid and

[00:10:43] where's the money going? And why are we being overtaxed? And

[00:10:46] so he was kind of like the more like normal people. And

[00:10:49] that's coming from like an opinion. When I asked him,

[00:10:53] like, do you want like death to Israel? He's like, no,

[00:10:56] absolutely not. Like, no, like I just want to live in peace

[00:10:59] the way it was, you know, like we're Arabs and

[00:11:02] Christians and Jewish people lived on a piece before

[00:11:06] 1948, which was basically the start of Israel, right? As a

[00:11:11] recognizable nation. But then everyone else it just varies,

[00:11:15] right? There are some people that are saying like, oh, we

[00:11:16] are Hamas, you know, and then some people like, oh, you

[00:11:19] know, like death to Israel. And it's like, but you're not

[00:11:22] Palestinian, you're just white liberals. It doesn't make

[00:11:26] sense. So so yeah, it was kind of an interesting

[00:11:29] perspective for sure, kind of hearing it from different

[00:11:32] students what the perspective is and stuff, but at least

[00:11:35] from the one Palestinian I was actually able to interview

[00:11:38] that's a real Palestinian, it didn't. I mean, depending on

[00:11:43] I be extreme, it might not be extreme what his views are,

[00:11:45] but it just seems sensible, you know, I was like, okay, well,

[00:11:49] someone that speaks on what they're actually trying to

[00:11:53] advocate for, you know,

[00:11:54] Yeah, I mean, it would make sense that the one

[00:11:58] Palestinian you were able to interview has a much better

[00:12:01] understanding of actually the whole picture. I feel like

[00:12:05] rather than a lot of these college students who it's the cool

[00:12:09] thing to do, it's, it's you know, what was the cool thing

[00:12:14] last year? What's the cool thing? Four years ago was the

[00:12:16] BLM riots. You know, a lot of people call it just like the

[00:12:20] hive mind, like, you know, people you see a lot of and

[00:12:24] that's what I think a lot of people are seeing in videos,

[00:12:28] especially if you're on social media and you're in

[00:12:31] conservative circles, you see a lot of interviews of people

[00:12:34] who don't really know what's going on in Israel or Palestine

[00:12:37] and they're like, Hey, I just showed up because my friend

[00:12:40] showed up like, I think it was some video of somebody in

[00:12:42] New York. They came down from like NYU to Columbia. And

[00:12:47] they were like, No, we're just here because everyone else was

[00:12:49] here.

[00:12:50] So

[00:12:51] I got a lot of that too at UCLA. I was like, Are you a

[00:12:55] student here? They're like, Oh, no, but like my friend

[00:12:57] is, you know, and so I just came out with her. And there

[00:13:00] was just a lot of people that came because they were genuinely

[00:13:02] just interested in the encampment, because you know, they had

[00:13:05] tents up. They had obviously graffiti and murals and art,

[00:13:09] you know, displayed everywhere, chalk art, all this stuff.

[00:13:12] People just wanted to come just to, you know, like, Hey, I

[00:13:15] actually, I just want to go inside. I just want to see

[00:13:17] what it's about. And then maybe they recognize someone

[00:13:20] maybe they're like, Oh, you know what? I think I'm just

[00:13:22] going to stay like this is kind of neat, you know, like

[00:13:24] this little space out here. But again, it's just like

[00:13:27] goes over that, you know, like it goes over their head of what

[00:13:31] like that movement actually is or just like, Oh, wow, like,

[00:13:34] there's like this space and we get to like do chalk art and

[00:13:38] there's people praying over there. What? Like, Okay, sure,

[00:13:40] I'll just hang out. I'll just I don't have anything else to do.

[00:13:43] I'll just grab some coffee coming out, you know, make some

[00:13:46] signs, whatever, you know,

[00:13:49] so you were able to get into some of the encampments. Yes.

[00:13:54] Yeah.

[00:13:55] Like you had, I think mentioned, and I was watching that

[00:13:58] night, I'm not a good sleeper. And so I was on Instagram

[00:14:00] and you'd like when you were live all night, I'd check in for

[00:14:03] a few minutes and then try to sleep and then go back. So I

[00:14:05] was, I was watching quite a lot that night. But you had

[00:14:08] mentioned like, you had to know someone or had to have

[00:14:10] the password, they were like, it's like a little club. So

[00:14:15] I'm very curious. Obviously it was mostly students but and

[00:14:18] you mentioned there was okay, a bunch of people came just

[00:14:20] to see, but did you see as far as protesters? Was it just

[00:14:25] like the college of students or were a bunch of other people

[00:14:27] joining the protests? Like older?

[00:14:31] Yeah, so I'll start with the first last question and I'll

[00:14:34] move I'll move back there. But yeah, so from what I

[00:14:39] understood a lot of them were college students. The thing

[00:14:42] about UCLA is that you can be 70 and you can be a

[00:14:46] college student. So I was talking to college students

[00:14:48] that were like 1920 21. And I was talking to college students

[00:14:52] that were like, in their 40s and their 50s, you know, they

[00:14:55] were just coming back for like a class or they were coming

[00:14:57] back for to finish off something, you know, whatever.

[00:15:01] And so the age definitely varied, you know, but I would

[00:15:04] say that a lot of them were definitely on the younger

[00:15:06] side, I would say early 20s, a majority, I would say like

[00:15:10] over 90% were were a lot, lot younger, but you know,

[00:15:14] you had some people that were down in there that were on

[00:15:16] the older side. But again, I didn't get to really

[00:15:20] properly vet everyone because you don't want to go around

[00:15:23] asking like, Hey, can I see your ID or whatever? But as far

[00:15:27] as the other questions where you were saying like they had

[00:15:30] like basically a system. So the way it worked was

[00:15:33] initially they were not allowing any media inside at

[00:15:37] all. And then eventually became like, you friendly media

[00:15:42] and you know somebody on the inside of your work or

[00:15:45] search your work so that you're friendly to the profile

[00:15:48] cause and we'll go ahead and let you everyone else like

[00:15:52] you're kind of oh well. It's interesting because it's a

[00:15:59] so security there. And they kept telling us like, Hey, you get

[00:16:02] close to the encampment. And I was like, you understand

[00:16:07] public space and then we tell you you're not a lot of

[00:16:13] what you do is up to you. And I'm like, I understand what

[00:16:17] you're saying it's public space making my way past you and

[00:16:21] I'm going to go inside and they're like, legally, there's

[00:16:24] nothing we can do. All we can tell you is just you're not

[00:16:27] allowed to go in there per the school unless a student

[00:16:30] lets you in. And so yeah, this this this space right by

[00:16:34] Royce Hall. They basically took over their entire squad

[00:16:37] like quad area. And there were checkpoints to go in. And

[00:16:43] it was ran by the students. There wasn't security or UCPD.

[00:16:47] And so the students determine whether you're allowed inside

[00:16:49] or not. The way it worked was you had to know somebody on

[00:16:54] the inside already. So somebody on the inside had to vouch

[00:16:58] for you, they either had to be a friend, a colleague, a

[00:17:00] student, a family relative, etc. The first couple days

[00:17:04] they drew like a black X on you, which meant you're

[00:17:07] good to go. And then eventually moved on to like a

[00:17:10] color coded like wristband were determining on the wristband.

[00:17:14] You were either good for a day or you were good because they

[00:17:17] knew you were a student and you were an ally, someone had

[00:17:19] vouched for you saying, Hey, this guy actually goes here. He

[00:17:22] can come in any day, etc. And so if you didn't have that

[00:17:27] wristband, you were not allowed in. You only got a

[00:17:29] wristband if someone on the inside knew you, but you

[00:17:32] were also an ally. So there was a couple of videos

[00:17:35] that went viral of Jewish students, but also other

[00:17:38] students that came by and they were asked a series of

[00:17:41] questions. Why do you want to come inside? Are you

[00:17:44] friendly to the cause? Are you pro Zionism? Are you

[00:17:47] pro Israel? And if you answered the questions wrong,

[00:17:50] then you weren't granted access. You didn't get a

[00:17:52] color coded band. And so there's actually one viral

[00:17:55] video that I can think of where there was a Jewish

[00:17:57] student who tried to go inside and they asked

[00:18:00] them, are you pro Zionism? And he said, Oh, yes,

[00:18:03] of course, like I'm Jewish. And like, Oh, well,

[00:18:06] then you're not allowed inside. He said, you're

[00:18:07] not letting me inside because I'm Jewish. And

[00:18:10] they're like, Yes, that's why you're not allowed

[00:18:12] inside. Now what I will say is that inside of

[00:18:16] the encampment, there were actually Jews in

[00:18:19] there. I personally saw them, I talked with them,

[00:18:22] and they were wearing shirts that say cease fire

[00:18:25] now. If you've been following up with the

[00:18:29] protests, you will know that there are some

[00:18:32] Jews that are anti, they're anti Zionism.

[00:18:36] They're anti Israel. They're doing this to their

[00:18:41] countries. You see, it's a lot of people that don't

[00:18:46] like our government and they're anti government.

[00:18:50] So, you know, they call themselves anti imperialist,

[00:18:53] which is going to these other countries and

[00:18:56] basically colonizing, etc, etc. And so there were

[00:19:01] some Jews allowed inside. It's just to be

[00:19:04] quote, they're kind of like a if you're a Jewish

[00:19:08] ally, that's fine. But you can't be pro-Israelan

[00:19:11] Jew. And so yeah, that was we're getting is you

[00:19:17] basically were a handpicked to go and know how UCLA

[00:19:21] doesn't go to the hospital, but also how they

[00:19:26] survive the lawsuits because there's video evidence

[00:19:30] of them being black students, Asian students,

[00:19:33] white students and Jewish students because they

[00:19:37] said no, you know, we don't consider you an ally

[00:19:40] or you're coming off as hostile or oh, you're the

[00:19:43] wrong skin tone, you know, etc. That was a lot of

[00:19:48] civil rights infringement, you know, and access to

[00:19:51] media as well, because even KTLA 5, which is one

[00:19:54] of the biggest new stations, if not the biggest

[00:19:56] local news stations out here, they weren't allowed

[00:19:59] inside either. And the guy kind of pushed back

[00:20:02] and he's like, but it's a public space. And like, it

[00:20:05] doesn't matter. We don't want you here. Wow. That's

[00:20:08] pretty nuts.

[00:20:11] I had, oh, I was going to say how long has this

[00:20:15] been going on? I mean, I applaud them for being

[00:20:18] so organized after what seems like a couple days

[00:20:21] with the wristbands and the code words and

[00:20:24] passwords. It's got a hand into them. It's pretty

[00:20:27] impressive that they had the organization like

[00:20:29] that. I want to talk about the stuff that I was

[00:20:35] watching last week, specifically that made the

[00:20:38] headlines is you were there, you were live

[00:20:41] streaming basically right when the police kind of

[00:20:45] confronted all the protesters. I laugh when I

[00:20:50] hear like these protesters scream hold and

[00:20:53] stuff like that, like they have some like military

[00:20:55] experience or whatever. But you know, watching

[00:20:58] your video, you could hear like them screaming

[00:21:00] hold and stuff like that. Don't take them too

[00:21:03] lightly because they have been training. I also

[00:21:05] posted a drone video of them training and there's

[00:21:08] actually additional footage out there. They do

[00:21:12] train while they're in the encampment. You know,

[00:21:15] they're taught how to interlock arms and they're

[00:21:18] taught how to move forward at all that once

[00:21:20] they do have command. And that's kind of what

[00:21:23] I saw on the inside. There was a lot of

[00:21:25] organization. So when the time came that CHP

[00:21:28] actually got in there not to like jump ahead, I

[00:21:31] just wanted to make this quick note. They

[00:21:34] actually police for over an hour about over

[00:21:38] 200 CHP police enforcement that job this

[00:21:44] to be coming and be able to take over these

[00:21:47] areas fully on right. It's right. But on

[00:21:51] all these flashlights, expensive, you know,

[00:21:56] things and data and they had, you know,

[00:22:00] drones up in the air that had infrared

[00:22:03] all stuff. And because of the training from

[00:22:06] these again, you can laugh at them. That's

[00:22:08] fine. You know, these little dweebie 19 20

[00:22:11] year old, a lot of women that probably weigh

[00:22:13] like 90 pounds. But they're holding up,

[00:22:16] make shift shields and they put up these

[00:22:20] barriers and they interlink them and

[00:22:23] they just for a full hour, CHP just

[00:22:27] could not breach at all. So I mean, the

[00:22:30] tactics may be funny in an orthodox, but

[00:22:33] and you know, you'll hear them say hold

[00:22:36] or push forward or shield to the front.

[00:22:39] You know, these were very common

[00:22:40] commands, you know, she owed to the

[00:22:41] front. We need more people here. There's

[00:22:44] people with walkie talkies organizing.

[00:22:46] We need more people on the back, you

[00:22:48] know, and they have like sectors in

[00:22:50] there. Like I actually took a picture on

[00:22:52] sector four, you know, and everything is

[00:22:56] extremely, extremely organized in there

[00:22:59] and they're ready for it, you know, and

[00:23:01] and again, it's not just you can go to

[00:23:04] over my Twitter and you can see the

[00:23:06] drone footage of them actually training

[00:23:08] and there's even more footage and they

[00:23:09] teach them how to like walk forward

[00:23:11] in their failings with shields. And

[00:23:14] I know it sounds funny, you know, but

[00:23:16] dude, it worked. I was actually

[00:23:19] shocked. I'm like, I've been in here

[00:23:22] for an hour and they like police just

[00:23:26] they tried and tried and tried

[00:23:29] and they just couldn't budge in like

[00:23:32] not even a foot. It was kind of insane.

[00:23:36] OK, I'm going to put my little tiny

[00:23:38] tinfoil hat on right now,

[00:23:41] which is not often.

[00:23:44] But again, it just seems so weird

[00:23:45] that like in a span of I don't know

[00:23:48] how many days they were organized,

[00:23:51] they knew how to who who to vet for

[00:23:54] press, who to let in.

[00:23:55] They had code words, they had passwords.

[00:23:57] Then you had people training them

[00:23:59] in tactics of how to push back on

[00:24:01] the police. It just seems like

[00:24:03] they got organized so fast for a

[00:24:06] student protest.

[00:24:07] It makes you question like, well,

[00:24:09] were these all students or were some

[00:24:12] of them maybe agitators or

[00:24:14] professional protesters who like

[00:24:16] infiltrated and got in there and said,

[00:24:18] OK, this is how we're going to do it.

[00:24:19] Like that's my tiny little tinfoil hat.

[00:24:22] It just seems odd that a bunch of,

[00:24:24] you know, ragabond students got

[00:24:25] together in the middle of the quad

[00:24:27] and then turned into like this

[00:24:29] organized little protest.

[00:24:31] Maybe I'm not understanding, but

[00:24:34] I don't know what your thoughts on that are.

[00:24:37] Yeah, so they're Los Angeles,

[00:24:40] you know, every city is different.

[00:24:42] But what we need to understand

[00:24:44] is that the left has been organizing

[00:24:48] since before you and I have been born.

[00:24:51] Conservatives and Republicans

[00:24:53] have always just kind of been playing

[00:24:55] catch up with the left because at one

[00:24:58] point we controlled all the institutions.

[00:25:00] We controlled academia, we controlled

[00:25:03] the judicial system, we control

[00:25:06] we controlled a lot.

[00:25:07] And what we need to understand

[00:25:09] is since the early 1900s,

[00:25:11] since even before then,

[00:25:12] with the women's rights and and and,

[00:25:15] you know, all these things is is a lot

[00:25:17] of that was liberal ideology.

[00:25:22] The West and it had to teach

[00:25:25] their I think about it, you know,

[00:25:27] point where protesting there was

[00:25:30] fighting for equality.

[00:25:32] A lot of this stuff was banned.

[00:25:34] So you have to adapt.

[00:25:36] You have to find out what can I do

[00:25:40] within League of Rides,

[00:25:42] but push as far as I can go.

[00:25:45] So, for example, these protesters,

[00:25:49] if one of them threw a bottle at the police,

[00:25:52] for example, which did happen,

[00:25:54] that protester was immediately like

[00:25:57] you're out of here because what is illegal

[00:26:00] and now you're going to get all of us in trouble.

[00:26:02] And so what would happen is interlinking arms

[00:26:06] and not letting police through.

[00:26:09] It's like what

[00:26:12] legal thing are you?

[00:26:14] You know, it's a public space.

[00:26:16] So if you interlink arms,

[00:26:18] like you're not harming the police,

[00:26:20] you're not damaging them,

[00:26:22] not letting them right.

[00:26:24] Maybe the would be, you know,

[00:26:26] obstruct police

[00:26:28] or ability to conduct operation.

[00:26:32] Somebody all are wearing masks.

[00:26:36] Well, you know, especially on the right

[00:26:37] are like saying like they're so stupid

[00:26:39] away in mass.

[00:26:41] That's not why they're in mass.

[00:26:43] So again, it's like we might not understand

[00:26:46] because they have been protesting for decades

[00:26:49] and then all people are teaching the next generation

[00:26:52] and the next generation.

[00:26:54] And a lot of college professors

[00:26:56] and I was there when they were thinking for rights

[00:27:01] and now these bases are trying to take our rights away.

[00:27:04] We're going to show you how.

[00:27:06] That's where a lot of these encampments have professors.

[00:27:09] A lot of these what's going to happen is

[00:27:11] whenever there's a protest, you need leadership.

[00:27:14] Like friends in English cast like your boy,

[00:27:18] mind you like do we start by works?

[00:27:23] It's it's coming recruit

[00:27:25] come into the campus and they're like

[00:27:28] would anyone be interested in this right?

[00:27:30] And it's like, oh, well, who do we talk to?

[00:27:32] And then of course you've got a bunch of clubs

[00:27:34] in all these college campuses,

[00:27:36] you know, whether they're conservative

[00:27:37] like turning point or you've got other ones, right?

[00:27:39] You've got the DSA, the Democratic Socialist of America.

[00:27:42] Most of them have college branches, you know,

[00:27:45] or the college level.

[00:27:47] That's how you start organizing.

[00:27:48] You're like, hey, don't say anything

[00:27:50] but like on this day we're going to go ahead

[00:27:53] and we're going to start this encampment.

[00:27:54] This is what we need.

[00:27:56] So it's like they make a list of things, right?

[00:27:58] And like this is what we're going to need.

[00:27:59] This is the minimum.

[00:28:00] This is how many bodies you need

[00:28:02] to start asking around

[00:28:03] and see if anyone would be interested.

[00:28:05] Everything is strategic.

[00:28:06] Nothing is by chance.

[00:28:07] Nothing is by coincidence.

[00:28:10] I mean, the night before the police took it down,

[00:28:13] they successfully pushed back against the pro-Israel guys

[00:28:20] where they were allowed to basically beat each other up

[00:28:22] for five hours.

[00:28:25] The pro-Israel side didn't get inside at all.

[00:28:28] You know, they weren't even going to take their barricades.

[00:28:30] I mean, again, the umbrellas,

[00:28:33] people make fun of them.

[00:28:34] I'll never forget this epic image that I remember.

[00:28:39] Portland, Oregon, when they were basically firebombing

[00:28:43] the inside of a federal building there

[00:28:45] and other anarchists and left-wing.

[00:28:50] They were taking of a guy, an Antifa guy,

[00:28:54] the police officer and he was in the middle of the street

[00:28:57] and people laughed and laughed and like,

[00:28:59] oh, like, you know, his dad is probably a hard worker

[00:29:02] and just thinking his dad's equipment.

[00:29:04] And people like, I mean,

[00:29:06] the reason the leaf blower is because police were using

[00:29:11] this and so you blow the gas away, right?

[00:29:15] Like that's probably the most effective way you can do it.

[00:29:18] Why did they wear a mask?

[00:29:20] So their identity, I'm sure there's probably a lot

[00:29:22] of basic, there's not gonna make fun of anybody

[00:29:25] that wished they probably would have worn a mask that day

[00:29:28] so that they wouldn't be wrecked on that day, right?

[00:29:31] Again, they didn't know that when but hey,

[00:29:34] no to self, right?

[00:29:36] Whatever happens again, wherever you can show your identity.

[00:29:39] But like, again, this is all strategy.

[00:29:43] Again, I'm not trying to glorify anything.

[00:29:45] You know, I'm just, this is my job.

[00:29:47] I'm a journalist.

[00:29:49] I read about these, if you look back to like

[00:29:52] the early 1900s, this is how they organized.

[00:29:54] You see Berkeley, you see Berkeley's like

[00:29:57] a notorious school in the nation for

[00:30:01] where a lot of these people, like that's the way they organize.

[00:30:05] You know, it's, the left has been organizing

[00:30:09] a lot longer than any of us here combined

[00:30:11] all our years put together.

[00:30:13] That's why we just don't understand it

[00:30:15] because again, we're playing catch up.

[00:30:16] We don't know how to organize.

[00:30:18] We don't know how to mobilize like that.

[00:30:20] You know, when Roe v. Wade was overturned,

[00:30:23] David Hogg, you know, that everyone laughs at

[00:30:27] and it's like, oh, this guy, you know, he's a dweeb

[00:30:29] and this is not.

[00:30:30] This guy helped organize Roe v. Wade protests

[00:30:33] in 45 states.

[00:30:34] When's the last time, Camille, please tell me?

[00:30:37] When's the last time Christians, any Christian

[00:30:40] has been able to organize anything in 45 states

[00:30:45] for anything for that matter?

[00:30:48] Never, it's never been done.

[00:30:50] You know, so again, you know, it's like,

[00:30:54] this is just the way they operate, man.

[00:30:56] You know, if we don't have to like it,

[00:30:58] we might not understand it even.

[00:31:00] It might look silly to be carrying on leaf blowers

[00:31:02] and umbrellas and masks, but guess what?

[00:31:05] They're able to hold off police

[00:31:07] and get the bare minimum charges, you know?

[00:31:11] I think that's a great lesson for all of us to hear

[00:31:15] is because again, when you look at this stuff

[00:31:18] through the lens of like social media,

[00:31:21] it is cherry-picked to be like, oh, isn't this laughable?

[00:31:25] Isn't this crazy?

[00:31:26] Aren't they stupid?

[00:31:27] Da-da-da.

[00:31:28] But like your perspective being there on the ground

[00:31:31] is so important for people to hear

[00:31:33] because you're telling us, well, yeah,

[00:31:35] you're cherry picking one little piece of footage,

[00:31:38] but in reality, they're organized

[00:31:41] and they know what they're doing

[00:31:42] and they probably know how to share this better than we do

[00:31:45] and it's one of those things,

[00:31:47] never underestimate your opponent

[00:31:49] in these kinds of situations.

[00:31:51] So we may laugh-

[00:31:53] And the thing is, we have been,

[00:31:55] we have been underestimating them for decades,

[00:31:58] but who controls the institution, ladies and gentlemen?

[00:32:01] It's not Christian conservatives.

[00:32:03] That's for sure.

[00:32:04] So I know you gotta get going.

[00:32:07] Is there any final thoughts before we let you go

[00:32:12] about what you saw last week?

[00:32:15] I mean, listen, you know,

[00:32:18] it's one of these things where I kind of find ourselves

[00:32:21] in a very unique situation where it seems like

[00:32:24] a lot of the things that the pro-Palestine folk

[00:32:27] are advocating for are some of the things

[00:32:29] that the right and even libertarians advocate for

[00:32:33] and for an aid to endless wars,

[00:32:36] put an end to the forever wars,

[00:32:38] put Americans first and stop sending weapons

[00:32:42] of mass destruction and the killing of innocent civilians.

[00:32:46] Regardless of whether you believe the numbers are not

[00:32:49] or you wanna make it seem like Hamas always lies,

[00:32:52] dude, I've seen the videos and I've seen the images

[00:32:55] of a lot of these dead Palestinians.

[00:32:58] And all I ever say is we need to pray for the innocent.

[00:33:01] You know, I'm not gonna side with communists.

[00:33:05] I'm not gonna side with anarchists.

[00:33:07] And I'm not gonna side with people

[00:33:08] that are using violence and the burning of our flag

[00:33:11] to make a statement, but I find that we are

[00:33:15] in this weird situation where it seems like, again,

[00:33:18] both parties are kind of, huh,

[00:33:21] like there's some common ground here.

[00:33:23] You know, and it's just gonna be interesting

[00:33:26] to see what the summer holds.

[00:33:27] You know, I think personally,

[00:33:30] the reason why they started at the college level,

[00:33:32] you know, with these college encampments

[00:33:34] is because I think that they're recruiting.

[00:33:35] Again, I think it's by design.

[00:33:37] I think it's strategic to recruit

[00:33:40] all these college campus kids and university kids

[00:33:44] to get them ready for the summer.

[00:33:45] I truly believe it's a presidential election year,

[00:33:48] probably one of the most important presidential election years

[00:33:51] of our lifetime.

[00:33:52] It seems like we keep saying that every presidential year now

[00:33:55] since like 2016, right?

[00:33:58] But I think that these protests

[00:34:00] will continue into the summer.

[00:34:01] I think it's gonna boil over into something bigger.

[00:34:04] And again, they're strategic.

[00:34:05] They're already recruiting, you know?

[00:34:07] And that's the thing is a lot of these people

[00:34:09] are being registered to vote.

[00:34:11] Their beliefs are being shaped and molded.

[00:34:13] And this is where, you know, I put out a tweet

[00:34:15] and a lot of people got angry because I said this

[00:34:17] and I'm like, this is where you can come

[00:34:21] and you need to start leading both churches.

[00:34:26] Where are the pastors?

[00:34:27] We're out to Palestinian state.

[00:34:30] We understand.

[00:34:31] We're not for the war, not for any war.

[00:34:35] Not for the killing innocent people on either side.

[00:34:39] And we identify the kids because like,

[00:34:42] well they killed people first.

[00:34:44] But that's a good people side.

[00:34:47] We pay people by doing worse crimes and worse things, right?

[00:34:53] Again, it's like people try to justify it.

[00:34:55] It's like, well no, where's the...

[00:34:58] Where is the olive branch by the right

[00:35:02] to these people, hey, we see you,

[00:35:04] understand you're hurting right now

[00:35:06] and what can we do right now?

[00:35:09] I think Republicans are,

[00:35:10] there's a lot of Republicans are looking for,

[00:35:13] fire, they're saying, you know, Donald Trump himself

[00:35:17] and sort of, when in kind of,

[00:35:21] Israel's leadership, like what the heck is going on

[00:35:24] and we can't keep doing this, you know?

[00:35:26] So I think we're in for an interesting summer.

[00:35:30] And I think that more and more the right

[00:35:32] needs to get active because if we just continue

[00:35:36] to allow anarchists and communists

[00:35:38] to infiltrate these movements,

[00:35:39] there's gonna be no movements left.

[00:35:41] They've infiltrated the feminist movement.

[00:35:44] They've infiltrated the workers and the unions.

[00:35:48] They've infiltrated the LGBT movement.

[00:35:51] They've infiltrated now the pro-palates

[00:35:54] to another infiltrating the Muslim community

[00:35:56] and the Arab community.

[00:36:00] Like, you know, it's like, again, all by design,

[00:36:04] all strategic and it's like,

[00:36:06] it's like our side just continues to dwindle

[00:36:08] because we don't mobilize, we don't organize.

[00:36:10] It seems like we just laugh about everything

[00:36:12] and it's like, well, we'll see come November, you know?

[00:36:16] If it's true that we're just focusing on elections,

[00:36:19] then I guess we'll win in a landslide come November

[00:36:22] and then maybe we can make some change

[00:36:23] on the legislative side and the executive branch side.

[00:36:26] But only time will tell.

[00:36:30] But as far as the protests,

[00:36:32] I think we're just getting started for the summer

[00:36:34] and I'll be out there covering as much as I can.

[00:36:38] So.

[00:36:40] So buckle up for the summer.

[00:36:41] It's gonna be a wild one.

[00:36:43] It's gonna be wild.

[00:36:44] It's gonna be wild.

[00:36:45] Well, Anthony, I know you're busy.

[00:36:47] You gotta run, so we'll let you sign off here.

[00:36:50] Look forward to seeing you next week though.

[00:36:52] So I don't know if you wanted us to say that,

[00:36:55] but we look forward to seeing you next week.

[00:36:57] So always good to see you in person.

[00:36:59] I'll be at the GOB convention

[00:37:01] and I'll be at the GOB convention.

[00:37:03] I'll be there for you guys, no worries.

[00:37:04] So if you see any of us, stop and say hi.

[00:37:07] We're all very friendly.

[00:37:08] So although.

[00:37:10] I think most people know though,

[00:37:11] do you want to shout out your social media platforms

[00:37:13] real quick so that people can go see these videos?

[00:37:16] Sure.

[00:37:17] Yeah.

[00:37:18] If you guys want to follow me on most social medias

[00:37:20] including TikTok, which I do have

[00:37:22] because America sells your info to China anyway,

[00:37:25] by the way,

[00:37:27] it is informed with Anthony

[00:37:30] I am on Truth Social, I am on Gab

[00:37:33] on the largest following TikTok

[00:37:37] informed with Anthony.

[00:37:39] Twitter is the only place that I'm different.

[00:37:41] It's just gonna be my name,

[00:37:42] Anthony Cabasa underscore on Twitter.

[00:37:45] So yeah, I'll see you guys over there.

[00:37:47] All right.

[00:37:48] Thank you.

[00:37:49] Thanks for joining on.

[00:37:50] Yeah, thank you so much for having me.

[00:37:53] Good night.

[00:37:53] Well, so glad we got Anthony on

[00:37:57] because he was there in person.

[00:37:59] So that's really important because

[00:38:03] seeing it from a personal perspective

[00:38:05] and seeing it on the ground perspective

[00:38:07] is crucial to understanding like what they're

[00:38:09] and I think Anthony nailed it where

[00:38:12] he's saying, look, they are,

[00:38:14] they're organized and to the lay person

[00:38:16] or to the conservative influencer who likes to,

[00:38:19] you know, cherry pick a piece of video

[00:38:21] and show it and say,

[00:38:23] oh, look at how dumb these protesters are.

[00:38:24] They don't know what they're doing.

[00:38:25] But the more you hear about it and you go,

[00:38:27] man, they're organized.

[00:38:28] Like they knew what they were doing

[00:38:30] and in a short amount of time,

[00:38:32] like they just locked ranks.

[00:38:35] I think that was the most surprising thing

[00:38:37] is just how organized they were.

[00:38:39] I thought it was just a bunch of like students

[00:38:41] who showed up to a quad and they were camping

[00:38:44] and they were doing their thing

[00:38:45] and then the police showed up and broke it all up.

[00:38:47] But they were very organized.

[00:38:50] So like they like prepped by watching the walking dead

[00:38:54] or like this is how we're gonna do it.

[00:38:57] They must have prepped somehow.

[00:38:59] Somebody had some sort of training.

[00:39:01] Maybe there's training videos.

[00:39:02] Maybe you go on YouTube,

[00:39:03] there's training videos of how to be,

[00:39:06] agitators or protesters.

[00:39:09] But regardless, they are shaping the narrative.

[00:39:11] And I think that's something that

[00:39:15] Anthony talks about a lot,

[00:39:16] which is when you do these sort of things

[00:39:18] and you do this sort of action

[00:39:20] and you organize, you get to shape the narrative.

[00:39:22] And right now people on the left

[00:39:24] or whoever's supporting this,

[00:39:27] they're shaping the narrative.

[00:39:30] And the problem is there's stories now

[00:39:34] that are coming out.

[00:39:36] Like I was reading this one today,

[00:39:39] read a couple of stories before we sign off for the night.

[00:39:43] And again, like we were kind of alluding to next weekend,

[00:39:47] Saturday, one to four,

[00:39:49] we'll be doing our live stream at the GOP convention.

[00:39:50] Come on and say hi.

[00:39:53] Camille promises she will do autograph signing

[00:39:55] for a little bit, but she won't do it the whole time.

[00:39:57] So...

[00:39:58] For a fee.

[00:39:59] Gotta make a...

[00:40:00] Yeah, it's, you know, if you want a photo,

[00:40:02] that's a fee.

[00:40:03] That's extra.

[00:40:04] That's extra.

[00:40:05] So, you know, but she's only doing it for like,

[00:40:07] you know, a half an hour.

[00:40:08] She doesn't have all day to do photographs and autographs.

[00:40:11] So anyway,

[00:40:14] so at UC San Diego,

[00:40:17] I saw that they were,

[00:40:19] that there were a whole bunch of people who were arrested.

[00:40:23] This is from the San Diego Union Tribune who said,

[00:40:24] in abrupt escalation of tensions,

[00:40:26] police and riot gear swooped in and cleared an encampment

[00:40:29] of pro-Palestine protesters at UC San Diego

[00:40:33] and arrested 65 people in an early morning raid,

[00:40:36] prompting skirmishes with hundreds of protest supporters.

[00:40:40] Throughout Monday morning,

[00:40:42] hundreds of police clashed with protesters

[00:40:45] near the university's iconic Gizl Geisel Library.

[00:40:49] After authorities quickly dismantled a tent village

[00:40:51] and arrested dozens.

[00:40:53] Afterward, a few hundred protesters headed downtown

[00:40:56] to rally outside the kind jail,

[00:40:57] chaining, let them go.

[00:41:00] So, this was obviously shocking to see for a lot of people.

[00:41:07] And again, it looks bad when the police are coming in

[00:41:10] and like clearing out students

[00:41:12] and it shapes the narrative.

[00:41:14] What does that say to the people

[00:41:15] when they see police in riot gear

[00:41:17] going into UC San Diego and clearing them out?

[00:41:21] It shapes the narrative.

[00:41:22] They get to come out to be the heroes.

[00:41:25] And they get to paint themselves in the righteous light.

[00:41:30] So, I don't know, you have any thoughts on that

[00:41:33] or did you hear about this story?

[00:41:35] All so bizarre.

[00:41:36] No, I haven't been keeping up with all this as much.

[00:41:39] Like I've read a few articles here and there

[00:41:41] and obviously it was following Anthony

[00:41:43] in his work, his videos and stuff.

[00:41:45] But mostly I have not been like so on this subject

[00:41:51] but it truly is bizarre to me.

[00:41:55] You know, Brian Burley, our friend Brian Burley

[00:41:57] works at USC and he was showing,

[00:42:01] I didn't see as much footage there

[00:42:02] but he was like just trying to come here and work

[00:42:05] and this is what's going on.

[00:42:07] And like, I'm just thinking about how, you know

[00:42:09] the 2020 to 24 public students in America

[00:42:14] and how their education was so odd with COVID.

[00:42:20] And now here we are 2024

[00:42:23] and like now it's just this whole college thing.

[00:42:26] And I realize it's not happening on every campus

[00:42:28] but it's happening on several

[00:42:30] and I'm sure there's like, there's talk

[00:42:32] and it's strange and it's like kids

[00:42:34] that went to school five, six years ago

[00:42:36] and graduated like now it's a whole new experience to me.

[00:42:39] And again, I'm not there

[00:42:41] but it's just, it's crazy.

[00:42:42] Like I, you know, my oldest is about to graduate high school

[00:42:45] and I'm just thinking he's practically

[00:42:48] the ages of the people.

[00:42:50] And like you said, you know

[00:42:52] these kids mobilizing the way they do

[00:42:54] and I just look at my son and I'm like

[00:42:56] I don't think he would do that

[00:42:58] and no offense to my son but I just

[00:42:59] and I'm not saying like, oh he's better than that

[00:43:01] I don't mean like that.

[00:43:01] I mean as far as like the direction that they went

[00:43:04] and the mobilization and just like this organization

[00:43:06] and they're just like on it

[00:43:07] and I just can't see my son doing that.

[00:43:11] So I'm like just mind blown with all this.

[00:43:15] Yeah, it's, you know, when you look back

[00:43:18] it's like, yeah, you're kind of susceptible in college

[00:43:21] kind of get swept up in the emotions

[00:43:23] of what's going on.

[00:43:24] That's why I asked Anthony,

[00:43:25] like how many of these people who are protesting

[00:43:28] actually know what they're protesting

[00:43:30] or it's just like, hey, it's the cool thing to do.

[00:43:32] Like it's we're all headed down to the Quad to go protest

[00:43:35] and I'm sure there are a bunch of people

[00:43:39] the leaders or the ring leaders know

[00:43:41] what they're talking about

[00:43:42] but there's probably a good amount of people

[00:43:43] who don't understand why they're there

[00:43:46] or they're just like, this is what all my friends are doing.

[00:43:51] There was another school.

[00:43:52] Sorry, go ahead before I get into this.

[00:43:53] This is kind of getting off topic

[00:43:55] but I don't know if you remember this

[00:43:57] but when I was 18-ish the big thing was free Tibet

[00:44:02] to like every concert I would go to

[00:44:05] there'd always be a table set up with like,

[00:44:08] here's the free Tibet donate to this.

[00:44:09] They didn't free Tibet.

[00:44:12] And I'm not saying protests don't do anything

[00:44:14] but it's like everyone just gets hyper

[00:44:16] around something they get passionate about it.

[00:44:19] And I think that age they're trying to find

[00:44:21] where they belong, what are they all about?

[00:44:24] And so it's easy to be like, okay,

[00:44:25] I'm a part of this club, I'm a part of this group.

[00:44:28] And so that was a long time ago when I was 18

[00:44:32] and Tibet is not free.

[00:44:36] Yeah, I remember when I was in college

[00:44:41] the hot thing to protest was the war in Iraq

[00:44:45] and the war in Afghanistan.

[00:44:49] That was everything, everything, you know

[00:44:51] Green Days American Idiot came out

[00:44:52] and that was all that there were a lot of protests

[00:44:56] you could go to San Francisco

[00:44:59] and there were marches and all this stuff

[00:45:01] and like I didn't partake in any of them.

[00:45:03] I mean, I've always been anti-war

[00:45:05] but I didn't take any part in any of these protests.

[00:45:08] But how many years after, I mean I went to college

[00:45:14] and it was like 2004 through 2008

[00:45:18] how long were we still in Iraq and Afghanistan

[00:45:20] even after those protests?

[00:45:22] Like, you know, we finally just pulled out of Afghanistan

[00:45:28] because Trump started it and Biden finished it

[00:45:30] and just think about like our current president

[00:45:33] in 2024, 20 years later, almost 20 years later

[00:45:37] pulled out of Afghanistan, Iraq saw the same thing.

[00:45:41] So it doesn't really move the needle.

[00:45:46] I don't know, I think it changes public perception

[00:45:50] and maybe that public perception filters down

[00:45:54] into what people vote at the ballot box.

[00:45:58] But I do think like you could put a lot of this energy

[00:46:01] into organizing and calling legislators

[00:46:05] and getting stuff in front of your state legislature

[00:46:09] or Congress or something like that.

[00:46:11] Like it's a lot of effort for these students

[00:46:13] to go out and do this

[00:46:15] and think it's really changing the world.

[00:46:17] Like you said, it seems like every generation

[00:46:20] has their college protest thing.

[00:46:24] It just seems like there's always this college protest

[00:46:27] thing, whatever the hotness is at that point

[00:46:31] but does it really move the needle?

[00:46:33] Does anything get resolved during those protests?

[00:46:36] So, but speaking of a story that protesters

[00:46:41] failed miserably at, this was at Cal Poly Humboldt.

[00:46:48] Police Clear Buildings Arrest 35 Protesters

[00:46:50] at Cal Poly Humboldt Pro-Palestine Occupation.

[00:46:54] A protest on the Arkada campus began shortly

[00:46:57] after protest nationwide started just over two weeks ago.

[00:47:01] Pro-Palestinian protesters want universities

[00:47:04] to divest from Israel or direct university funds

[00:47:07] away from programs in favor of or benefiting Israel

[00:47:11] into other areas.

[00:47:13] Protesters are hoping to influence federal policy

[00:47:15] on Israel over the number of civilians

[00:47:17] killed in Gaza since October.

[00:47:19] At Cal Poly Humboldt, protestors have also demanded

[00:47:22] the resignation of Cal Poly Humboldt

[00:47:24] President Tom Jackson and Chief of Staff

[00:47:27] Mark Johnson for refusing to divest.

[00:47:32] Growing frustration by protestors for their demands

[00:47:34] not being met led them to occupy two buildings on campus

[00:47:37] on April 22nd, Siemens Hall and Nelson Hall East.

[00:47:40] With protestors refusing to leave

[00:47:42] and no plan to clear the buildings,

[00:47:44] the university announced over the weekend

[00:47:45] that campus would be closed

[00:47:46] until the end of the semester on May 10th.

[00:47:49] This action seemed to spur the university

[00:47:51] which brought in several law agencies

[00:47:53] including the Humboldt County Sheriff's Department

[00:47:55] and the campus police to deal with the occupied situation.

[00:48:00] Following the footsteps of police action at USC,

[00:48:03] Cal Poly Humboldt officials had enough

[00:48:05] and gave them the green light

[00:48:06] to law enforcement on Tuesday morning.

[00:48:08] At 2.30 a.m., the combined law enforcement group

[00:48:11] entered both halls.

[00:48:12] They quickly cleared both

[00:48:13] and arrested 35 people in the process.

[00:48:15] Most were students with a few members

[00:48:17] of the median professors ending up in cuffs as well.

[00:48:19] To add insult to injury,

[00:48:22] the university released a statement

[00:48:24] replying to protestors' demand

[00:48:26] saying that they would be giving them nothing.

[00:48:29] Cal Poly Humboldt even pointed out

[00:48:30] that they have no direct investment

[00:48:32] and less than 1% indirect investment with Israel

[00:48:35] and no direct ties to Israel,

[00:48:37] Israeli universities meaning that even if they wanted to

[00:48:39] nothing could be done to even remotely divest.

[00:48:44] Somebody said, quote,

[00:48:46] those Cal Poly protestors

[00:48:48] did not do their homework researcher,

[00:48:49] Sandy Crane who studies college protest movements,

[00:48:53] their demands were not only unreasonable

[00:48:55] but the university literally couldn't do anything about them.

[00:48:58] There was nothing to divest from

[00:48:59] if it had been a plain ceasefire protest, okay.

[00:49:02] Maybe they could have had something

[00:49:04] but they just didn't.

[00:49:05] So all those arrests and occupying the building

[00:49:07] were for nothing.

[00:49:10] So again, they get swept up in the fervor

[00:49:13] and they think they can demand all this stuff

[00:49:16] and then in this case, they got nothing.

[00:49:19] It's like at the end of Willy Wonka, you get nothing.

[00:49:23] So all right, any final thoughts

[00:49:27] before we on any of these protests

[00:49:29] before we log off for the night?

[00:49:31] I have no final thoughts.

[00:49:33] You have no final thoughts.

[00:49:35] I agree with Anthony.

[00:49:37] I think, I don't think these protests

[00:49:39] are gonna stop now.

[00:49:41] I think they're gonna keep going into the summertime.

[00:49:44] Whether it's pro-Palestine or something else,

[00:49:47] you know, I think buckle up.

[00:49:49] It's gonna be a tumultuous summer,

[00:49:51] especially with the election heating up and all that.

[00:49:54] So yeah, on that note, we'll see everybody next weekend

[00:49:58] live at the California GOP convention.

[00:50:03] Yeah, there'll be another episode before then

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